| What I mean by these is the following: - Logical fallacies and biases - What makes a valid/invalid statement And so forth. Basically, how to have a rational discussion that's teaching, rather than about defeating the other person. |
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| there is just too much fallacies that i feel like everything we say are fallacious already so no keep all those philosophical things to intelligent people that have better use of it philosophy is more about questions rather than answers too but if you are talking about logic relating to math then that should be taught especially on computer related courses and math majors |
| We had something similar to that. Not sure if it should be mandatory, though. |
| Yes it's called English class. |
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| Yes, it should.It would reduce religious people by a lot. |
| I feel too many people are taught without understanding why or the logical steps to things so thats a definite yes. |
| I've been here way too long... |
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TheBrainintheJar said: What I mean by these is the following: - Logical fallacies and biases - What makes a valid/invalid statement And so forth. Basically, how to have a rational discussion that's teaching, rather than about defeating the other person. It's already taught in my middleschool or highschool, but it doesn't come as a separate course. It's embedded within English class. |
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| They teach debates in our school, I thought it was fair enough :o |
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| Argumentation is taught at most schools in my country, it's part of the standard curriculum. |
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Red_Keys said: Yes it's called English class. LOGIC is a part of ENGLISH class? it's a part of math class where I'm from... |
Moniisek said: Red_Keys said: Yes it's called English class. LOGIC is a part of ENGLISH class? it's a part of math class where I'm from... I'm talking about informal logic. Strawman, texas sharpshooter, ad hominem - such things don't exist in mathematics. They're mostly tools of philosophy. |
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AmericanDream said: So basically learning how to argue like an asshole? I prefer arguing with an asshole rather than with people that don't use logic in their arguments, since arguing with people that don't use any logic is a complete fucking headache. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Moniisek said: LOGIC is a part of ENGLISH class? it's a part of math class where I'm from... I'm talking about informal logic. Strawman, texas sharpshooter, ad hominem - such things don't exist in mathematics. They're mostly tools of philosophy. Lol. Logic is considered to be mathematics by philosophers, so yes, things like strawman and ad hominem can exist in math in a certain sense. I have some disagreements with Bernkastel but s/he's good at presenting his/her points. Let's go over them then. Arguing with kobun and mayukachan is no different than arguing with a 12 year old honestly. Katsucats and Bernkastel are both self-taught "philosophers" who read a couple articles on Wikipedia and a couple books and think they're professional philosophers with PhDs. When they come across a person with at least some formal education like me, though, it becomes really apparent how little they know. I haven't been on this forum for too long, but those 4 users come to mind as really horrible debaters. |
TheBrainintheJar said: they have that in a lot of serbian schoolsWhat I mean by these is the following: - Logical fallacies and biases - What makes a valid/invalid statement And so forth. Basically, how to have a rational discussion that's teaching, rather than about defeating the other person. honestly no need for that imo the again, it's a convenient way to boost your GPA |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| Some would just be obnoxious about it. |
| Sounds like a good idea, not many teens might get into it but it would be more useful than some other studies. |
Red_Keys said: Yes it's called English class. Pretty much. You learn QUITE a bit of it in english class especially if you take advanced placement. I do agree with the point OP was trying to make though. I took debate class and was in the club (got 3rd place in state for CX) back in high school and I honestly do believe that it should be one of the mandatory electives. I doubt it would end up effective, though, because you really can't force people to have the desire to argue when it's something that's shied away from in general even in it's docile forms (outside of actual debates of course). Edit: Rather than a class for it it'd probably be better just to work it into your required Speech class if those are still required. I'm not even sure it's still required in my state though since I already graduated years ago. |
| Yes considering it can be applied to a number of subjects e.g English, Philosophy. |
| Yes, it should be mandatory. Even if the student doesn't learn the material at least you tried. |
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AmericanDream said: Chiki said: Lol. Logic is considered to be mathematics by philosophers, so yes, things like strawman and ad hominem can exist in math in a certain sense. In the context of math and something else, but not as proofs. Chiki said: Let's go over them then. Arguing with kobun and mayukachan is no different than arguing with a 12 year old honestly. Katsucats and Bernkastel are both self-taught "philosophers" who read a couple articles on Wikipedia and a couple books and think they're professional philosophers with PhDs. When they come across a person with at least some formal education like me, though, it becomes really apparent how little they know. I haven't been on this forum for too long, but those 4 users come to mind as really horrible debaters. Are you ready to accept the challenge then? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1446929 Yeah, not as proofs in formal logic, but it's still much more in place in a math class than in English class since formal logic itself is math and ad hominem and other fallacies can be described in formal logic. Lol the posts by Bernkastel and katsucats on that thread are so ignorant, poorly thought out, stupid and uneducated. |
Chiki said: This is coming from the person who gives people mental disorder labels for disagreeing with your opinion.Yes, Casual Discussion is proof of it. Just look at people like kobun, mayukachan, katsucats, Bernkastel etc. they are all hopeless and clueless lol. |
mayukachan said: Chiki said: This is coming from the person who gives people mental disorder labels for disagreeing with your opinion.Yes, Casual Discussion is proof of it. Just look at people like kobun, mayukachan, katsucats, Bernkastel etc. they are all hopeless and clueless lol. I've studied psychology. I know a person is a sociopath if they think animals can't feel pain and so can't see anything wrong with killing and eating animals. |
Chiki said: I've also studied psychology, lol.mayukachan said: This is coming from the person who gives people mental disorder labels for disagreeing with your opinion. I've studied psychology. I know a person is a sociopath if they think animals can't feel pain and so can't see anything wrong with killing and eating animals. You aren't allowed to give people labels because you studied a class. |
Chiki said: mayukachan said: This is coming from the person who gives people mental disorder labels for disagreeing with your opinion. I've studied psychology. I know a person is a sociopath if they think animals can't feel pain and so can't see anything wrong with killing and eating animals. 'sociopath' isn't even a clearly defined term in psychology yet lmao get out of here |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
mayukachan said: Chiki said: I've also studied psychology, lol.I've studied psychology. I know a person is a sociopath if they think animals can't feel pain and so can't see anything wrong with killing and eating animals. You aren't allowed to give people labels because you studied a class. kawaiiyuris said: Chiki said: I've studied psychology. I know a person is a sociopath if they think animals can't feel pain and so can't see anything wrong with killing and eating animals. 'sociopath' isn't even a clearly defined term in psychology yet lmao get out of here Just because a definition of a word is not certain does not mean we do not know necessary characteristics of it. No one knows what the word "free will" actually means, but we know it must involve the ability of making choices at the very least. We know sociopathy has to involve a lack of empathy towards living beings. Look at any definition of antisocial personality disorder. Any definition will say that it involves a lack of empathy towards other beings feeling pain, lol. For example, the Mayo Clinic says "Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference." That's exactly how mayukachan treats animals. Oh, and here's another person who needs to learn basic reasoning: kawaiiyuris. A resounding "yes" to the thread title. |
Chiki said: Just because a definition of a word is not certain does not mean we do not know necessary characteristics of it. No one knows what the word "free will" actually means, but we know it must involve the ability of making choices at the very least. We know sociopathy has to involve a lack of empathy towards living beings. Look at any definition of antisocial personality disorder. Any definition will say that it involves a lack of empathy towards other beings feeling pain, lol. For example, the Mayo Clinic says "Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference." That's exactly how mayukachan treats animals. Oh, and here's another person who needs to learn basic reasoning: kawaiiyuris. A resounding "yes" to the thread title. i really hope you only took one psych class because if you're a psychology major then this is deeply, deeply embarrassing. and there were no reasoning skills needed for my comment. i literally just stated a fact. if you can't even grasp that concept, no wonder you don't know better than to throw around names of disorders |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| I thought it already is. |
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| how do you manage to still make serious threads OP? |
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| looks like op learned some new words from reddit and decided to try it out on mal lol |
MechaKiryu said: I thought it already is. In high school? It's not in the US, and yeah it should be. Dear God man, it should be. The slack-minded assholes that come out of US high schools... |
| Deductive logic was one of my favorite classes. The specific subject matter might not be relevant to the average person, but it teaches an important method of thinking. It's similar to math, but most students in high school either memorize formulas or just don't try, at least with logic you need an understanding of how it works, although people will still be lazy just like in any other class. You should have seen the debates in my high school they were pitiful. |
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| They should institute logical insults, definitely. |
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| In Portugal it's taught in Philosophy which is a mandatory subject in High School |
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Bernkastel said: Oh that explains all the creepy threads about being naked. Ah, I get it.Olwen please. If you want to make a new account and start over, at least stop being salty over me and katsucats. |
| Okay, I guess it's not worth paying attention to Chiki anymore. |
Red_Keys said: Yes it's called English class. |
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