A UN official finally has raised a real concern about Japan and Japan still goes apeshit.

ichii_1 said:
So how they did they get the figures? going around asking minor schoolgirls if they're prostitutes who do older men? (which is illegal)

j0x said:
well he did not show proof of where that 13% comes from, so Japan has a reason to rage

Hoppy said:


They could've handled it better, launching an investigation over the practice could've debunked the UN easily for either an under or overestimation even though it would've taken a year or so to finish.

j0x said:


ah ok i agree with that, eventhough the burden of proof here really is on who claimed that 13% practice compensated dating

Pirating_Ninja said:
Yes, as j0x pointed out. Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. It is not Japan's job to spend even 1 cent to discredit an unsupported claim.

Furthermore, the UN is the organization that appointed Saudi Arabia head of the Human Rights council. I'm not going to say they are complete retards but I mean . . . They aren't exactly a group of people I would assume usually has a solid grasp of reality. That is of course, in general, I have no idea if the number they gave was accurate with regards to compensated dating nor do I really care. The point I am making is that you should't give anyone the benefit of the doubt, ESPECIALLY not the UN.

starlabbu said:
age of consent in Japan is 13 y.o. after all.

EminemVEVO said:


Wtf

CaimTheJoyful said:
Ever since that faulty cyber-violence report debacle, everything the UN says should be taken with a pinch of salt.

elros75 said:
"The age of consent in Japan is 13 years old under the Japanese national criminal law code. However, all prefectures and districts have (largely similar) "obscenity ordinances" (淫行条例) that forbid "fornication" (淫行) with anyone under 18 years of age, but exempt sex in the context of a sincere romantic relationship (typically determined by parental approval).
The age of marriage is 16 for girls and 18 for boys with parental consent, or 20 otherwise.

elros75 said:


"The age of consent in Japan is 13 years old under the Japanese national criminal law code. However, all prefectures and districts have (largely similar) "obscenity ordinances" (淫行条例) that forbid "fornication" (淫行) with anyone under 18 years of age, but exempt sex in the context of a sincere romantic relationship (typically determined by parental approval).
The age of marriage is 16 for girls and 18 for boys with parental consent, or 20 otherwise.

On a sidenote Vice did a short documentary about the jk culture in Japan, including prostitution and other practices:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NcIGBKXMOE

starlabbu said:
age of consent in Japan is 13 y.o. after all. Is it really illegal if they do engage in this practice I wonder

azzuRe said:
I wouldn't trust Vice on it, especially when it was busted that they didn't do their research or simply falsely leading with narratives. You should read their article on Japanese idol industry and how they are trying to lead the narratives to smear on AKB48 reputation, even deleted some comments on their sites for speaking up about the real condition of the industry.

elros75 said:


I'm not an expert on this issue but the documentary seems to raise a legitimate criticism regarding the jk culture in Japan and I thought it was relevant considering what this thread is about. I'm fully aware that the guys at Vice News are not without their own biases but there aren't really that many documentaries about this issue on YouTube.
If you could link these articles debunking the documentary that would be great I'm interested in seeing what they have to say as long it's not some sort of apologetic article about how Japan is perfect.
As for what I've seen about AKB48 there seems to be more than enough to criticize some of the practices of their management but let's not digress.

AndyPow said:
I just feel that most Japanese men are getting creepier and creepier these days

mugi said:

Age of consent means it's legal for them do it. And adult (20 in Japan) can't have sex with them and as people pointed out, it's much higher in most prefectures. Age of consent in germany and other countries is 14.

Hoppy said:
The UN is damned if they do, damned if they don't, if they treat a non-issue about Japan like loli as an issue, they get owned for their tyranny, if they actually show concerns about a real life issue take this case on compensated dating and Japan still goes apeshit.

Source

Unlike loli which is harmless, compensated dating is bad and it often hurts teenage girls and Japan should not defend it regardless if the 13% figure the official said is false or not. The way it got defended, it may be even more than 13%.

Monad said:


I really do not see how Japan is wrong here. They claim the UN guy has no evidence of what he says and they are right. There is no proof that 13% of girls do that in Japan.

Also is not really that big of a problem as you claim. This girls just do it by themselves because they are money thirsty so i is not like some big traumatic thing. People aren't grabbing them in dark alleys and violently rape them or something.
And even if this activity end up in some unexpected pregnancies, for a country like Japan that has problem of low child birth is really not a problem.

azzuRe said:
Did you watch Vice only on their youtube channel?
Go and read on their own article on it:
https://news.vice.com/article/in-japan-teenage-girls-folding-paper-cranes-has-taken-on-a-very-different-meaning

Don't forget to read the comments section below. The problem with documentary is they are always one sided narrative depends on who's making the documentary and their agenda. Intentionally left out some details that does not fit their narrative while making a big on irrelevant one to paint the whole curtain is what they do.

elros75 said:

Thank you for the link. Vice News is not my primary source for news so yes I mainly just check out their YouTube channel when they actually upload a documentary and not some 2 minute clip. For instance right now they just uploaded a new documentary about the activities of Al Nusra in Syria.

As for the comment section in the article it does seem like there is quite a lot of controversy and in some cases exaggeration about that AKB group.
Like I said I just felt like linking that documentary because well there aren't a lot of them about the JK sub-culture available in English and I thought people might be interested even if it's not without flaws.
But you're right whenever its Japan some western media tend to go with the "Japan is a country of Perverts and pedophiles" narrative, while some fans of Japanese culture tend to act as if Japan was a perfect paradise, I guess you need to find a balance between the two if you want to be fair in your reporting.