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Nov 1, 2015 9:57 AM

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LoneWizard said:
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Because elitist logic be like: Uhhhhmmm keeeewwlleeer ttthhhannn mmmhhhuuussstt ovvvv yoouueewwwe bbbeekkkkauzzzzeee
Mah Naeeennttynety eughhtttty fouwswrrr(1984) izzzzzcccc mmuuhhhssssstttteeerrrrrpeeeeessccczzzzee leeehhhhvvveelll thhhhhhuuueeennn Rakudai
Elitist logic: My favorite anime is better than this anime,so its shit...
Elitist logic:Its made in 21st century so its shit...
Elitist logic:I don't like it so its shit...

Phluueeeaassse you LN plebs neeedd to knoww whuut real art eazzze and it's 1984
 
Nov 1, 2015 10:00 AM

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FreedChickens said:
LoneWizard said:
Elitist logic: My favorite anime is better than this anime,so its shit...
Elitist logic:Its made in 21st century so its shit...
Elitist logic:I don't like it so its shit...

Phluueeeaassse you LN plebs neeedd to knoww whuut real art eazzze and it's 1984
 
Nov 1, 2015 10:08 AM

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LoneWizard said:
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Phluueeeaassse you LN plebs neeedd to knoww whuut real art eazzze and it's 1984

This photo comment make me trap in room 101 ooopsss
 
Nov 1, 2015 10:53 AM

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Cool episode, the fight at the end was nice, way less fanservice that i would have excepted for the common pool episode.
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Nov 1, 2015 11:49 AM

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Nidhoeggr said:
The desire to drop this midway was just too overwhelming for me....

Sounds fishy... History tells us you have amazing staying power when it comes to things you "really hate". Some might even say you're a true representation of a cliche tsundere.
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Nov 1, 2015 12:34 PM

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Fucking Stella. I'm going to end up on a hospital bed because of you soon.

In a way I won't regret.
 
Nov 1, 2015 12:40 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm going to drop this... but I might be next episode.

The romance is too fast paced for me. So they're like "hey I just met you, and this is crazy, so be my lover!" There is not even a single development for them in the series, other than the master-servant relationship and suddenly she loves Ikki after the last battle? Okay... maybe this kind of romance anime doesn't fit me well.

However, Alice is the best character. Not only a wingman, but funny guy too. In the other hand, Shizuku is the best girl.

 
Nov 1, 2015 1:38 PM

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idungoof said:
Nidhoeggr said:
The desire to drop this midway was just too overwhelming for me....

Sounds fishy... History tells us you have amazing staying power when it comes to things you "really hate". Some might even say you're a true representation of a cliche tsundere.


Oh he'll be back, he has to. I'd be missing quite a few angry LN fanboys in the episode discussion and his pain suffering trough the series.
 
Nov 1, 2015 1:44 PM

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*lol*

And the Worthless Whiner Weenies appear all at the same time again. Guess they are lurking around somewhere until one of them casts the first stone.

To answer Nidhoeggr's question: Who do you think are the mentally deranged ones? Those who watch an anime they obviously enjoy, or those who watch animes they clearly loathe, and then crash the fan boards trying to convince them that what they watch is shit?

I mean - I understand how infuriating it must be to see the normal ones simply enjoying themselves, while you and your brainiac weenies are suffering during watching, and then being laughed at by the normal ones. If you had a tenth of the intellect you clearly attribute to yourselves, you'd have stopped watching and left ages ago. Just like you promised to do today again. Let's see if you manage to do that :) ... but I'm sure that you will fail at that, as well.


I always wonder about this too. If you really don't like the anime, why are you still watching it?

Also, "generic" seems to be the new buzzword these days. "This is generic." "That is generic." "Everything is generic." What does that necessarily mean? Not everything has to be 100% original, but as long as the anime tweaks commonly used tropes and archetypes in a convincing way, I'm fine with that.
 
Nov 1, 2015 1:51 PM

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BLKWarGreymon said:
I always wonder about this too. If you really don't like the anime, why are you still watching it?
Its some kind of psychological ilness...They feel pleasure from harrassing people...You can try it too,its pretty easy,i've been observing those guys in their natural habitat for a while and i think im almost done analyzing their behaviour patterns...

Casually insult bunch of people enjoying an anime in its subforum->Act like enjoying it is the biggest crime->Once they start defending it saying "its not that bad,you are overreacting" tell them its not a MASTERPIECE so its shit->Feel superior because you ruined the mood of those plebs

Seriously,you guys must check out that club's chat,its something like this:
-You watched x?
-Yeah,it was fuckin shit lololol,you saw new episode of y?
-Yeah i saw i cant believe people actually watch that...
 
Nov 1, 2015 1:58 PM

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LoneWizard said:
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I always wonder about this too. If you really don't like the anime, why are you still watching it?
Its some kind of psychological ilness...They feel pleasure from harrassing people...You can try it too,its pretty easy,i've been observing those guys in their natural habitat for a while and i think im almost done analyzing their behaviour patterns...

Casually insult bunch of people enjoying an anime in its subforum->Act like enjoying it is the biggest crime->Once they start defending it saying "its not that bad,you are overreacting" tell them its not a MASTERPIECE so its shit->Feel superior because you ruined the mood of those plebs


Oh, I'm quite familiar with this kind of behavior. I see this a lot on video game forums. This problem is not unique to anime. These people, for some reason, think that this is what the 1-10 scale looks like:



When it really looks closer this (there some parts where I disagree with this scale):

 
Nov 1, 2015 2:00 PM

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BLKWarGreymon said:
I always wonder about this too. If you really don't like the anime, why are you still watching it?

Also, "generic" seems to be the new buzzword these days. "This is generic." "That is generic." "Everything is generic." What does that necessarily mean? Not everything has to be 100% original, but as long as the anime tweaks commonly used tropes and archetypes in a convincing way, I'm fine with that.


It used to mean "so unoriginal that it could be automatically generated by computers", AFAIK. However at this point it usually means "is part of a (sub-)genre I don't like/I hate".
 
Nov 1, 2015 2:09 PM

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LoneWizard said:
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Phluueeeaassse you LN plebs neeedd to knoww whuut real art eazzze and it's 1984
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When it really looks closer this (there some parts where I disagree with this scale):



Well first one is quite fitting for LN-Adaptations. Recent LN-Adaptations mostly fit in the 1-5 range in a 10 point scale :D.

Also second one is way to lenient. When you give something a 1 its not just shit sucks. Its shit sucks so much the studio should be fined for putting such an atrocity in the world. Its literally the worst of the worst, absolutelly appalling and horrendous. There is not one good thing about it or some elements are so abyssfully awful that nothing can redeem it.

A 2 is awful. Not as eye gougingly studio should not be permitted to create anything more awful, but still pretty awful.

A 3 is a very bad anime. Or an avg LN-adaptation. There is little to no good about it but its usually atleast not completely awful, not a special kind of awful.

A 4 is a bad anime that had atleast a bit good in it, but ultimately still was all around bad. Thats where I'd put Rakudai for now, which I commend for doing a relationship between the 2 characters but ultimately fails in the execution of said relationship and at first seems to continue the harem antics. Its also the standard overpowered LN protagonist and Mahouka god-clone with absolutely ridiculous abilities.

A 5 is an avg anime. It either was a bland anime with little strenghts and little weaknesses or an anime that had quite some promise but fucked up.

6 is above average. Its just got that little bit extra that made it a show you dont regret watching. The good finally starts to outweigh the bad at this point.

7 is a good anime. The good clearly outweighs the bad at this point but it doesnt go any further. There are still bigger flaws in the show or the show just doesnt achieve much. Its a good anime but not something you'd usually watch again or remember as something special.

8 is a very good anime. Here are usually the anime that are very well done but have a little scope dont even attempt to do something big or anime that tried to tell something special but failed a bit.

9 are great anime. Theese are the shows that are some of the best of the medium but still have some flaws in them.

10 are masterpieces, anime that you think are absolutely special. Not necessarily flawless but they have to be well executed on top of having some complexity and aiming for a bigger scope whatever that may be. Be it that its huge like One Piece and manages to still wrap up everything satisfactory and tell a great story (hypothetical example) or be it storytelling perfection like Tatami Galaxy. Or be it unique in its presentation and mood like say Texhnolyze. Whatever it is theese are not your everyday anime and rare occurences that you dont just get every season or even year.
 
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@BLKWarGreymon those graphs are really accurate...Sad but true...
 
Nov 1, 2015 3:13 PM

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Well first one is quite fitting for LN-Adaptations. Recent LN-Adaptations mostly fit in the 1-5 range in a 10 point scale :D.

Also second one is way to lenient. When you give something a 1 its not just shit sucks. Its shit sucks so much the studio should be fined for putting such an atrocity in the world. Its literally the worst of the worst, absolutelly appalling and horrendous. There is not one good thing about it or some elements are so abyssfully awful that nothing can redeem it.

A 2 is awful. Not as eye gougingly studio should not be permitted to create anything more awful, but still pretty awful.

A 3 is a very bad anime. Or an avg LN-adaptation. There is little to no good about it but its usually atleast not completely awful, not a special kind of awful.

A 4 is a bad anime that had atleast a bit good in it, but ultimately still was all around bad. Thats where I'd put Rakudai for now, which I commend for doing a relationship between the 2 characters but ultimately fails in the execution of said relationship and at first seems to continue the harem antics. Its also the standard overpowered LN protagonist and Mahouka god-clone with absolutely ridiculous abilities.

A 5 is an avg anime. It either was a bland anime with little strenghts and little weaknesses or an anime that had quite some promise but fucked up.

6 is above average. Its just got that little bit extra that made it a show you dont regret watching. The good finally starts to outweigh the bad at this point.

7 is a good anime. The good clearly outweighs the bad at this point but it doesnt go any further. There are still bigger flaws in the show or the show just doesnt achieve much. Its a good anime but not something you'd usually watch again or remember as something special.

8 is a very good anime. Here are usually the anime that are very well done but have a little scope dont even attempt to do something big or anime that tried to tell something special but failed a bit.

9 are great anime. Theese are the shows that are some of the best of the medium but still have some flaws in them.

10 are masterpieces, anime that you think are absolutely special. Not necessarily flawless but they have to be well executed on top of having some complexity and aiming for a bigger scope whatever that may be. Be it that its huge like One Piece and manages to still wrap up everything satisfactory and tell a great story (hypothetical example) or be it storytelling perfection like Tatami Galaxy. Or be it unique in its presentation and mood like say Texhnolyze. Whatever it is theese are not your everyday anime and rare occurences that you dont just get every season or even year.


Yep, I agree with your 10 point scale. However, I disagree with your opinion that Rakudai is a 4. That's a score I would give if I only watched up to Episode 2. However, it has found its groove over the last 3 episodes. I know my review has it at an 8, but if the site allowed for half points, then my score would be more of a 7.5/10.
 
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Nidhoeggr said:
The desire to drop this midway was just too overwhelming for me....


Oh... you are NOT a true elitist! A true elitist would never drop any anime EVER! Showing desire to drop something is an indication that being an "uber elist" may not be what you should be doing... Your baits, when compared to, for example, baki502, are really on the lowest level.
 
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I hate when they bring losers guys to enhance the main character
and everything is quite rush - 3/5 for this episode.
6.5/10 for the series so far.
 
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that kiss was so short that wasn´t enought...:(
 
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Volume 4 translation started. Only prologue though but it's still nice progress.
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baki502 said:
Well first one is quite fitting for LN-Adaptations. Recent LN-Adaptations mostly fit in the 1-5 range in a 10 point scale :D.

Also second one is way to lenient. When you give something a 1 its not just shit sucks. Its shit sucks so much the studio should be fined for putting such an atrocity in the world. Its literally the worst of the worst, absolutelly appalling and horrendous. There is not one good thing about it or some elements are so abyssfully awful that nothing can redeem it.

A 2 is awful. Not as eye gougingly studio should not be permitted to create anything more awful, but still pretty awful.

A 3 is a very bad anime. Or an avg LN-adaptation. There is little to no good about it but its usually atleast not completely awful, not a special kind of awful.

A 4 is a bad anime that had atleast a bit good in it, but ultimately still was all around bad. Thats where I'd put Rakudai for now, which I commend for doing a relationship between the 2 characters but ultimately fails in the execution of said relationship and at first seems to continue the harem antics. Its also the standard overpowered LN protagonist and Mahouka god-clone with absolutely ridiculous abilities.

A 5 is an avg anime. It either was a bland anime with little strenghts and little weaknesses or an anime that had quite some promise but fucked up.

6 is above average. Its just got that little bit extra that made it a show you dont regret watching. The good finally starts to outweigh the bad at this point.

7 is a good anime. The good clearly outweighs the bad at this point but it doesnt go any further. There are still bigger flaws in the show or the show just doesnt achieve much. Its a good anime but not something you'd usually watch again or remember as something special.

8 is a very good anime. Here are usually the anime that are very well done but have a little scope dont even attempt to do something big or anime that tried to tell something special but failed a bit.

9 are great anime. Theese are the shows that are some of the best of the medium but still have some flaws in them.

10 are masterpieces, anime that you think are absolutely special. Not necessarily flawless but they have to be well executed on top of having some complexity and aiming for a bigger scope whatever that may be. Be it that its huge like One Piece and manages to still wrap up everything satisfactory and tell a great story (hypothetical example) or be it storytelling perfection like Tatami Galaxy. Or be it unique in its presentation and mood like say Texhnolyze. Whatever it is theese are not your everyday anime and rare occurences that you dont just get every season or even year.


Yep, I agree with your 10 point scale. However, I disagree with your opinion that Rakudai is a 4. That's a score I would give if I only watched up to Episode 2. However, it has found its groove over the last 3 episodes. I know my review has it at an 8, but if the site allowed for half points, then my score would be more of a 7.5/10.

I agree with baki's scale and so far the anime is a 3.5/4 to me. Although the last two episodes weren't bad, the first 2 were a disaster and Silver Link decided to include some useless scenes -such as the bath scene in episode 2- instead of focusing more on the MC goals and story. Still, I consider this show better to most of the others in the genre (Mahouka, Asterisk Wars, etc.).
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I agree with baki's scale and so far the anime is a 3.5/4 to me. Although the last two episodes weren't bad, the first 2 were a disaster and Silver Link decided to include some useless scenes -such as the bath scene in episode 2- instead of focusing more on the MC goals and story. Still, I consider this show better to most of the others in the genre (Mahouka, Asterisk Wars, etc.).


The first two episodes did focus on the MC's goals and story, especially in the 2nd episode. What dragged those two episodes down was the shoehorned fanservice, but the fanservice didn't really overshadow the focus on the MC.
 
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BLKWarGreymon said:
Anarchi4 said:
I agree with baki's scale and so far the anime is a 3.5/4 to me. Although the last two episodes weren't bad, the first 2 were a disaster and Silver Link decided to include some useless scenes -such as the bath scene in episode 2- instead of focusing more on the MC goals and story. Still, I consider this show better to most of the others in the genre (Mahouka, Asterisk Wars, etc.).


The first two episodes did focus on the MC's goals and story, especially in the 2nd episode. What dragged those two episodes down was the shoehorned fanservice, but the fanservice didn't really overshadow the focus on the MC.

That's true but if they focused more on the MC and his relationship with Stella instead of adding scenes to see her naked two times in only 2 episodes it wouldn't have been so rushed.
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What can I say, Stella is beautiful as is enjoyable to watch (personality-wise). She is a growing girl and loses no time in showing that to us viewers. The same could be said about Ikki. Those two are really sweet to watch and I for one like that for once, for freaking finally once out of 10.000.000.000.000 of potential relationships out there, we have one made and progressing. AT FUCKING LAST!!!!! No more silly interruptions, no more silly delays, no more dense awkwardness, we just have a real relationship for good.

Yes, this is something that I was waiting for. An action and romance anime with a good relationship and I can have this in this serie.
 
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That's true but if they focused more on the MC and his relationship with Stella instead of adding scenes to see her naked two times in only 2 episodes it wouldn't have been so rushed.


It didn't feel rushed, though. And technically, we saw Stella naked once and the other time in her underwear. The scenes weren't that long either. The problem was that the fanservice was shoehorned, not because they wasted a lot of time that could have been used for something else.

Personally, I would have preferred the anime to stick with the LN and manga, but as I said earlier, I can see why Silver Link decided to shuffle the material around a bit, which was to make the romantic sub-plot continuous rather than fragmented. It's an interesting approach and while it makes the pacing faster, I don't find it to be rushed.
 
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Anarchi4 said:
BLKWarGreymon said:


Yep, I agree with your 10 point scale. However, I disagree with your opinion that Rakudai is a 4. That's a score I would give if I only watched up to Episode 2. However, it has found its groove over the last 3 episodes. I know my review has it at an 8, but if the site allowed for half points, then my score would be more of a 7.5/10.

I agree with baki's scale and so far the anime is a 3.5/4 to me. Although the last two episodes weren't bad, the first 2 were a disaster and Silver Link decided to include some useless scenes -such as the bath scene in episode 2- instead of focusing more on the MC goals and story. Still, I consider this show better to most of the others in the genre (Mahouka, Asterisk Wars, etc.).


Just by curiosity, what is your best harem+magical school theme anime/LN/manga ? and how many did you give it ?
 
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Did someone mention scale? On the scale of 10, it's marginally above 5.5 for me so I rounded it up and gave it a 6/10. I don't think it will improve on that account because I already know what to expect. The manga counterpart easily gets a 7/10 from me.

The only good additions in the anime compared to the manga thus far are the leap of faith in episode 2 and then probably Stella playing otomege in this episode (with her hair down, she looked beautiful). But both are insignificant in my book as they removed all of Stella's monologues (on why she fell in love with Ikki, that included her struggles to reach the level she is currently at herself), her tears as she undressed in front of those terrorists and then again when Ikki gave her a hug after that incident, Ikki's OP dialogues during the fight scenes (after taking out the terrorist and against Kirihara), Shizuku and Alice's deep conversations (the anime doesn't have enough weight or atmosphere and the conversations feel like being there just for the sake of it) and then insignificant yet cute stuff like after they started going out, Stella waking up earlier than Ikki every morning so that he wouldn't see her drools or messed up hair.

They have *significantly* changed the approach of the story from this episode onward as well (Ayase Arc).

It could have been one of the shows of the season but for me, I am just watching it to pass time. Basically at this point, I don't see myself coming back again in the Rakudai forums to make a comment unless my opinion about this adaptation changes.
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Anarchi4 said:

I agree with baki's scale and so far the anime is a 3.5/4 to me. Although the last two episodes weren't bad, the first 2 were a disaster and Silver Link decided to include some useless scenes -such as the bath scene in episode 2- instead of focusing more on the MC goals and story. Still, I consider this show better to most of the others in the genre (Mahouka, Asterisk Wars, etc.).


Just by curiosity, what is your best harem+magical school theme anime/LN/manga ? and how many did you give it ?

I think I don't understand your question (sorry, english is not my native language) but if you're asking whether I liked any other anime like this the answer is no. I rated Mahouka with 2 -the MC is just ridiculously op-, The Asterisk Wars I dropped it after the first episode and Absolute Duo rated with 3.
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So I am just reading the forum of this episode to expect the explosion of the kiss behind the waterfall, Just to laugh off the pain of the director deciding to patch the episode with a pointless argument. Then I see a politically debate about what makes a good anime. I am watching this for three reasons:
1. Fan-service
2. Fights
3. Good Comedic moments
Guys who love it, have a good time
Guys who hate it, why are you watching this in the first place? if you expect the next FMA or Hunter x Hunter please just drop it no one is stopping you. Anyways, I wanted to see the kiss but getting teased behind the waterfall is fine better than the tease KyotoAni can do. AM I RIGHT CHUUNIBYOU DEMO KOI GA SHITAI SEASON 2? (fucking piece of shit....relationship)

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Just when I just changed the score from 6 to 7 last time. I don't like the changes but better than a recap I guess. At least the new version of the OP is great, probably the best Opening Video of 2015. I wanna see the Raikiri version.
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>LN fans go around praising an upcoming adaptation everywhere because "it's different"
>Said incessant praise draws more people to watch
>The adaptation ends up being more of the same yet again, causing said people to criticize the anime
>"You stupid hater why did you even watch this?!?!"

I mean, I get that Nidhoeggr was harsh, but I definitely see where he's coming from. I myself wouldn't watch this kind of show normally-- and while I can see why it would seem like a breath of fresh air to fans of the genre, I still wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't (like myself) under normal circumstances. If you guys can't tolerate the presence of any criticism whatsoever though (and really, is it that hard to skip over a post(er) you don't like?), maybe you could consider toning back the fangasming outside of the subforums and/or not encouraging people to keep watching because "it gets better"?

If Cavalry hadn't gotten a lot of hype behind it before airing, or if people hadn't kept going on about how unique it was, then the complaints might be somewhat justified, but as is I don't think they really are.

I think Gymkata got it right in terms of reccing:

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Watch it for the cheesy but rapidly progressing romance and call it a day.
 
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TripleSRank said:
>LN fans go around praising an upcoming adaptation everywhere because "it's different"
>Said incessant praise draws more people to watch
>The adaptation ends up being more of the same yet again, causing said people to criticize the anime
>"You stupid hater why did you even watch this?!?!"

I mean, I get that Nidhoeggr was harsh, but I definitely see where he's coming from. I myself wouldn't watch this kind of show normally-- and while I can see why it would seem like a breath of fresh air to fans of the genre, I still wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't (like myself) under normal circumstances. If you guys can't tolerate the presence of any criticism whatsoever though (and really, is it that hard to skip over a post(er) you don't like?), maybe you could consider toning back the fangasming outside of the subforums and/or not encouraging people to keep watching because "it gets better"?

If Cavalry hadn't gotten a lot of hype behind it before airing, or if people hadn't kept going on about how unique it was, then the complaints might be somewhat justified, but as is I don't think they really are.

I think Gymkata got it right in terms of reccing:

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Watch it for the cheesy but rapidly progressing romance and call it a day.


Personally I'm only here because of the confidence of the LN readers here and over on Reddit's anime sub. I'm enjoying this show so I'm glad I listened. That being said, I don't know where you're getting the idea that this show was hyped. Compared to what? I barely heard about it except in posts/threads specific to Rakudai. There was no "fangasming" to the extent you're describing, so your point is rather invalid.

If you want to see a show that was hyped to hell and back, look no further than One Punch Man. I got so sick of hearing about it everywhere that I don't even want to watch it now because of how much the hype has turned me off from it... OPM is constantly hailed as the "saviour" of anime. To the contrary, Rakudai has never been oversold to my knowledge.

Rakudai I just heard pleasantly good things about and it has lived up to the exact things people said it would, no more, no less.
 
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Now the Ikki x Stella relationship has materialize.
 
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>LN fans go around praising an upcoming adaptation everywhere because "it's different"
>Said incessant praise draws more people to watch
>The adaptation ends up being more of the same yet again, causing said people to criticize the anime
>"You stupid hater why did you even watch this?!?!"

I mean, I get that Nidhoeggr was harsh, but I definitely see where he's coming from. I myself wouldn't watch this kind of show normally-- and while I can see why it would seem like a breath of fresh air to fans of the genre, I still wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't (like myself) under normal circumstances. If you guys can't tolerate the presence of any criticism whatsoever though (and really, is it that hard to skip over a post(er) you don't like?), maybe you could consider toning back the fangasming outside of the subforums and/or not encouraging people to keep watching because "it gets better"?

If Cavalry hadn't gotten a lot of hype behind it before airing, or if people hadn't kept going on about how unique it was, then the complaints might be somewhat justified, but as is I don't think they really are.

I think Gymkata got it right in terms of reccing:



Personally I'm only here because of the confidence of the LN readers here and over on Reddit's anime sub. I'm enjoying this show so I'm glad I listened. That being said, I don't know where you're getting the idea that this show was hyped. Compared to what? I barely heard about it except in posts/threads specific to Rakudai. There was no "fangasming" to the extent you're describing, so your point is rather invalid.

If you want to see a show that was hyped to hell and back, look no further than One Punch Man. I got so sick of hearing about it everywhere that I don't even want to watch it now because of how much the hype has turned me off from it... OPM is constantly hailed as the "saviour" of anime. To the contrary, Rakudai has never been oversold to my knowledge.

Rakudai I just heard pleasantly good things about and it has lived up to the exact things people said it would, no more, no less.

In general-- and just because it's not on some insane level like what happens with a show like One Punch Man or Attack on Titan doesn't mean there wasn't any. On MAL (which is the main place that counts since we're discussing on MAL), there was good amount of praise for the series in preview threads, threads discussing upcoming series, seasonal threads, etc.

Edit: On another note, as someone who can relate to being annoyed with OPM's overhype, it is at bare minimum worth watching for the animation eye candy (if you're into that sort of thing). The comedy is hit or miss, and it's just now developing a bit of a plot, but it's nice enough so far.
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TripleSRank said:
>LN fans go around praising an upcoming adaptation everywhere because "it's different"
>Said incessant praise draws more people to watch
>The adaptation ends up being more of the same yet again, causing said people to criticize the anime
>"You stupid hater why did you even watch this?!?!"

I mean, I get that Nidhoeggr was harsh, but I definitely see where he's coming from. I myself wouldn't watch this kind of show normally-- and while I can see why it would seem like a breath of fresh air to fans of the genre, I still wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't (like myself) under normal circumstances. If you guys can't tolerate the presence of any criticism whatsoever though (and really, is it that hard to skip over a post(er) you don't like?), maybe you could consider toning back the fangasming outside of the subforums and/or not encouraging people to keep watching because "it gets better"?

If Cavalry hadn't gotten a lot of hype behind it before airing, or if people hadn't kept going on about how unique it was, then the complaints might be somewhat justified, but as is I don't think they really are.

I think Gymkata got it right in terms of reccing:

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Watch it for the cheesy but rapidly progressing romance and call it a day.


Generally speaking (manga, movie, music, at work...), the problem is not the criticism. People like Anarchi4 who say they don't like this show because they don't like harem at all, or the show would be better if... and so on, have the rights to express their thoughts. Sometimes they are wrong because they don't understand a point, sometimes they are right because of some defaults the show has which could be minor for a fan. The most important is they don't insult anybody.
 
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Generally speaking (manga, movie, music, at work...), the problem is not the criticism. People like Anarchi4 who say they don't like this show because they don't like harem at all, or the show would be better if... and so on, have the rights to express their thoughts. Sometimes they are wrong because they don't understand a point, sometimes they are right because of some defaults the show has which could be minor for a fan. The most important is they don't insult anybody.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. The insulting is bad-- it's just that the backlash for said venting seems overkill given the situation.
 
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this episode restored my faith in love...
 
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Are you incapable of seeing through the most blatant, repeated plot lines even though they literally air the same bloody show twice within 5 hours?
Same show within 5 hours? You mean Asterisk & Cavalry?

I watch both and I agree that there are many common plot points in the first 4 episodes. However, there's absolutely nothing in common in their 5th episodes. Asterisk chooses to expand the world by introducing students from different schools as well as people that are stronger than the MC. Cavalry on the other hand chooses to focus on the romance development between the two MCs. We've clearly gone past the point where the two shows go to their own separate way.
 
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In my personal opinion, there's something that should be considered when people are giving their ratings: Whether they are are giving their purely subjective opinion, or if they are trying to give a fair objective opinion (as in, a selection help for people who might be interested in watching this kind of anime). This, by the way, is a good indicator of elitists, too. They delude themselves into thinking that their subjective opinion is the objective one.

Example: I'm a straight guy. Not of the intolerant kind, but one that feels uncomfortable when some of the warmer elements of Owari no Seraph gets shoved in his face. I am absolutely positive that the greatest Yaoi anime in the world would not get more than maybe a 3/10 on my subjective enjoyment scale. So does that mean that niche anime genres that run contrary to majority tastes cannot have high ratings? If people insist on pushing their subjective ratings even on genres which they themselves dislike, then yes. Which I consider bad.

One man's junk is another man's treasure. If someone whose anime tastes I don't know asked me if Rakudai was a good show for him, I'd give the show a 7, I guess. If I knew that he generally hated LN conversions, it would be a "don't watch it". If it was someone who liked other animes of the ecchi action romcom genre, I'd easily pick an 8. And if it was someone who I knew always complained that in this genre, romances are getting nowhere, it jumps to a 10. So tell me: What's the "right" rating?

There is none. At least, no singular objective one.
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Generally speaking (manga, movie, music, at work...), the problem is not the criticism. People like Anarchi4 who say they don't like this show because they don't like harem at all, or the show would be better if... and so on, have the rights to express their thoughts. Sometimes they are wrong because they don't understand a point, sometimes they are right because of some defaults the show has which could be minor for a fan. The most important is they don't insult anybody.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. The insulting is bad-- it's just that the backlash for said venting seems overkill given the situation.
Sometimes I can agree to their point but I still cannot agree on how they say it. As long as they are on topic I will always reply on topic. There are time when people try to find a fault in an otherwise faultless thing. Sometimes people also let their prejudice to the medium in general clouded their though.
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That argument is so real, lol.
But ahh, Ikki and Stella are absolutely cute. OTP <3
 
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I mean, I get that Nidhoeggr was harsh, but I definitely see where he's coming from.

I think anyone with half a brain cell understands where he's coming from, it's not like an in depth analysis is required. The funny bit is that such an overwhelmingly self proclaimed intellectual fails to understand that, shockingly, many of us watch anime for different reasons. Personally, I don't want to watch angsty, complex, twisty turny plots that take forever to unravel and make any sense. I have a job, I study, I have minimal free time. As a matter of fact I can't actually understand why anyone would watch anime in a quest for something deep, meaningful or groundbreaking. Seems like a huge waste of time to me. Even the anime that seem to have hit home in that regard pale in comparison to what other mediums have to offer. If I want something deep, thoughtful or profound I'm far more likely to pick up a book.
 
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Its amazing that people still take the bait of certain AD thread baiters. Anyone who has seen any thread in AD would know there is no point to take them seriously. I mean that trio has been doing "What you like is shit and everything that airs now is shit, here's why" for four whopping years.
 
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I think they will just adapt vol.3 first and then vol.2, better if u ask me, besides, going for vol.3 first means the ''rain'' scene will come sooner so why complain
 
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I think they will just adapt vol.3 first and then vol.2, better if u ask me, besides, going for vol.3 first means the ''rain'' scene will come sooner so why complain
It just stupid if you ask me. After all it's tied to massive development on Ikki.
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for four whopping years.

It's been going on a hell of a lot longer than that.
 
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I think they will just adapt vol.3 first and then vol.2, better if u ask me, besides, going for vol.3 first means the ''rain'' scene will come sooner so why complain
It just stupid if you ask me. After all it's tied to massive development on Ikki.
Oh God, NO! No no no.... don't even think about that possibility please!
 
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Generally speaking (manga, movie, music, at work...), the problem is not the criticism. People like Anarchi4 who say they don't like this show because they don't like harem at all, or the show would be better if... and so on, have the rights to express their thoughts. Sometimes they are wrong because they don't understand a point, sometimes they are right because of some defaults the show has which could be minor for a fan. The most important is they don't insult anybody.

I remember Anarchi4 got called out for adjusting his scores based on what other people scored Rakudai in the Episode 4 thread, which is extremely disingenuous.
 
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People just forgot that there is such thing as netiquette.
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