| Atheists(as a general term I will use for this question) is the idea that God could have used evolution to create humans an impossible one to you? Could you theoretically accept this possibility for the sake of argument but still reject god as existing? & if not, why do yo not accept this as any possibility? Religious people(let's just say Christians and Muslims), would it be possible to accept that God used evolution to create humans? Evidence certainly suggests evolution is true as we know it, so is there a particular reason that you yourself find it impossible?(In matters of rational thinking that is). I understand in the bible, it sort of says god created humans, so kinda hard to dispute that, but for the sake of argument, please try. I imagine it's sort of a topic that's been discussed before in your personal lives, but I just haven't seen it on here, and I'm curious as to if the question i ask is an interesting one, or actually just plainly stupid. |
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 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I'm not an atheist. I can see the possibilities but it lacks hard proof. But, half of the shit that the bible spews seems improbable to me. |
Mischievous said: YOU ARE A PUSSYComic_Sans said: Agnosticism is for pussies ATHEISM MASTER RACE WOOP WOOP Come here and say that to my face! |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Mischievous said: Atheists do not believe in an existence of a god,that why would they accept possibility that he helped further evolution? I mean sort of why do atheists(people who become atheists) not try to see that point of view before finally making up their mind? I know atheists don't believe in god, but all us atheists must have reasons for why we do not, and I wonder has this thought ever been pondered before |
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| I already think if there was a god or gods that they would have gone through a cosmic evolution. I do not believe it to be a creator god though, at least not in a traditional sense. |
Comic_Sans said: Mischievous said: YOU ARE A PUSSYCome here and say that to my face! okay....  |
traed said: I already think if there was a god or gods that they would have gone through a cosmic evolution. I do not believe it to be a creator god though, at least not in a traditional sense. I can't remember Traed, what as your affiliation again? I thought it was agnostic but I might be confusing you with someone else. |
Mischievous said: HOW DARE YOU INSULT JACK NICHOLSONComic_Sans said: YOU ARE A PUSSY okay.... |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: Mischievous said: HOW DARE YOU INSULT JACK NICHOLSONokay.... BECAUSE I AM AGNOSTIC |
| I can accept this as a possibility but wouldn't claim that it's what I believe. |
Otoshiro said: Can't argue with you there.Astros said: Enjoy your cancer. But that's the best kind |
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RodrikZen said: khunter said: is the idea that God could have used evolution to create humans an impossible one to you? I thought that way when I was like 8-10 years old, I didn't know at the moment that those would be my first steps out of religion You know about evolution when you were 9/10? That's impressive. I don't think I heard about it until I was like 14. |
Comic_Sans said: agnostics are atheists in all but name anywayAgnosticism is for pussies ATHEISM MASTER RACE WOOP WOOP woop woop |
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Mischievous said: JACK NICKOLSON IS INNOCENTBECAUSE I AM AGNOSTIC |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Lump me with the atheist, and yes, I see this as a possibility. If God created everything, he also created the process itself by which organisms evolve. It's possible his involvement was just in creating the processes and that's it. It's more plausible if you ask me. |
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| God himself could only exist through evolution which then takes away the need for a god. A creature that complex would take such a long time to evolve. |
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| It's got to the point where we've evolved dogs over thousands of years into creations we can predict. That's an example of us guiding evolution, so there's no need for me to assume god guiding evolution. Do I have reason to think god started abiogenesis (life coming from non-life)? I don't think so, and I don't think it's a logical position to debate. There is no logical evidence for a conceptual god, therefore the atheist will always have the upperhand in debates. An atheists position is "we don't know". But just think about the term atheist. An atheist doesn't believe gods exist. Gods only "exist" in religions that describe them to us. I can be 100% certain you don't know anything more than I do about how "god" started life on earth and created the universe by reading the bible. For starters Christians have even admitted genesis isn't meant to be taken literally, that's how I know. They're in the same situation as everyone else. |
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Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| im agnostic, so i simply do not know, but im open to the possibility that their is a god but not the god that all religion so far has said, so ye i can accept a creator and evolution religion like Christianity do believe evolution and believing in god compatible - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution but its not how its written in the bible though, the story of Adam and Eve but ye Theistic Evolution is some form of God of the Gaps argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps when we do not know something about evolution then god did it the religious says |
Candy said: That's your subjective opinionComic_Sans said: agnostics are atheists in all but name anywayAgnosticism is for pussies ATHEISM MASTER RACE WOOP WOOP woop woop |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Mr_Mantis said: It's got to the point where we've evolved dogs over thousands of years into creations we can predict. That's an example of us guiding evolution, so there's no need for me to assume god guiding evolution. Do I have reason to think god started abiogenesis (life coming from non-life)? I don't think so, and I don't think it's a logical position to debate. There is no logical evidence for a conceptual god, therefore the atheist will always have the upperhand in debates. An atheists position is "we don't know". But just think about the term atheist. An atheist doesn't believe gods exist. Gods only "exist" in religions that describe them to us. Very fair description.(btw, I miss the dawkins persona :( ) |
VerballyStunted said: Atheist. Nah, and I've stopped trying to logic it out. The whole concept of deities and magic just seems silly. Evolution has nothing to do with it. This applies to me as well. I actually tend not to use evolution when debating, just rationality and logic. |
Mischievous said: Because it's all subjectiveComic_Sans said: That's your subjective opinion Why is your objective to be so objective? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Aren't there like 50 of these threads? |
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khunter said: I dont even know. When Im not sure what to say I say agnostic. Sometimes I say agnostic-theist. Yet problem is im not sure what properly defines a god so different concepts in my mind I am unsure if they match up to anything so I border on Ignostic too. There probably is a better term for it but I dont know it.traed said: I already think if there was a god or gods that they would have gone through a cosmic evolution. I do not believe it to be a creator god though, at least not in a traditional sense. I can't remember Traed, what as your affiliation again? I thought it was agnostic but I might be confusing you with someone else. |
phantom346 said: Aren't there like 50 of these threads? Religious threads> I'm sure there is hundreds. Threads about god using evolution to create humans? I don't think so. Definitely not recently. |
traed said: khunter said: I dont even know. When Im not sure what to say I say agnostic. Sometimes I say agnostic-theist. Yet problem is im not sure what properly defines a god so different concepts in my mind I am unsure if they match up to anything so I border on Ignostic too. There probably is a better term for it but I dont know it.I can't remember Traed, what as your affiliation again? I thought it was agnostic but I might be confusing you with someone else. Interesting. So you wouldn't be religious then right? |
traed said: khunter said: I dont even know. When Im not sure what to say I say agnostic. Sometimes I say agnostic-theist. Yet problem is im not sure what properly defines a god so different concepts in my mind I am unsure if they match up to anything so I border on Ignostic too. There probably is a better term for it but I dont know it.I can't remember Traed, what as your affiliation again? I thought it was agnostic but I might be confusing you with someone else. just call yourself irreligious https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion |
khunter said: I'll change my name soon probably. He's a great evolutionary biologist. Mr_Mantis said: It's got to the point where we've evolved dogs over thousands of years into creations we can predict. That's an example of us guiding evolution, so there's no need for me to assume god guiding evolution. Do I have reason to think god started abiogenesis (life coming from non-life)? I don't think so, and I don't think it's a logical position to debate. There is no logical evidence for a conceptual god, therefore the atheist will always have the upperhand in debates. An atheists position is "we don't know". But just think about the term atheist. An atheist doesn't believe gods exist. Gods only "exist" in religions that describe them to us. Very fair description.(btw, I miss the dawkins persona :( ) I've always had a thing for "Mantis" though for some reason. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| No. If God is omnipotent why would he use evolution instead of simply creating perfect beings? And why do we need a creator anyway? Because life doesn't come out of thin air, but gods do? |
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| As a Christian, if evolution were to be proven 100%, then yes, I'd say that it was at the hands of God. |
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Mischievous said: Yet they don't believe in God but only the possibility of One. They are infidels true and proper.Candy said: Not really.agnostics are atheists in all but name anyway woop woop |
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Mischievous said: She's the new Poetic_Justice.Comic_Sans said: Why is your objective to be so objective?That's your subjective opinion |
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| I don't doubt evolution, but I also won't completely disregard the possibility that some all-encompassing powerful form created humans, either. That's why I'm agnostic, lol. It's a nice in-between. I think it's pointless to argue about it, or question it while you're still alive. You can only know a 'god' exists when you see it for yourself. Therefore, it's neither real nor false. |
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Candy said: That's also your subjective opinionMischievous said: She's the new Poetic_Justice.Why is your objective to be so objective? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Clebardman said: No. If God is omnipotent why would he use evolution instead of simply creating perfect beings? And why do we need a creator anyway? Because life doesn't come out of thin air, but gods do? there's my internet boytoy. Very true indeed, but I've also sort of wondered how come Christians have not rationalized this, and started to accept evolution as true, yet still believe in god. It must have to do with what the bible actually says, I would think |
ChissyCheeze said: As a Christian, if evolution were to be proven 100%, then yes, I'd say that it was at the hands of God. Fair enough I suppose. Though to look at in terms of percents is odd I gotta say. Because it's not like the theory of evolution is, so far, 70% true, while 30% is just wrong, but I get what you're saying. |
| If God created everything wouldn't the way the universe works just be what he did? like the science behind things is just the workings of what he created. We create cells that do cell things so even if they do science things like evolve and grow we still made them in the first place and engineered them to do that thing. The universe is progressing forward, if everything were made perfect nothing would move forward so it stands to reason that if God made everything he made it to carry forward to grow and evolve, new stars are made old ones die and their dust makes new ones. Its a great mechanism full of movement, everything moving towards a celestial singular goal. You can't have a dance without a series of movements one after the other. |
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