Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
Kilvann said: ViciLockhart said: Even if Fremy is my main suspect can i ask why are you certain it's her ? .. Also we don't know what 8 objective and plan is so they have to find him/her avoid trap/backstabing during they way to majin . i just say that she is a fake saint created by the kyoma so she can't be a real brave to me , but since the light novel are way ahead on the story i'm probably wrong Just because she is a half fiend does not mean she can't be a real brave. Adlet said as much - she is still human enough to BE inside barrier and all it takes is to want to kill the demon god and be strong to be a brave. So even if Fremy is a half-fiend nothing is stopping her from having been chosen as a real brave. |
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Kilvann said: So you just need to have the will to kill the majin and be strong to be a brave ? So adlet is the n 1 suspect because he is the weakest of the 8 protagonist in term of raw power . 1) But his knowledge of fiends is really good. That does increase his power (and his allies' power) against the fiends by a lot. 2) Adlet survived being hunted as the 7th. I'd say that is proof enough that he isn't weak. 3) In the end, choosing of the braves is done by a conscious entity - the goddess of fate. We can assume she does care about party balance, and makes sure there are different types of strong people, so that the braves will prevail whatever happens in the future. |
flannan said: Temph said: I though that breaking the tablet meant deactivating the barrier? Wasn't that when the "fog" plan came, or did I misunderstood that point? It's the other way around. First, Adlet broke into the temple, then demons killed Riura, triggering the fog. At this point everybody was like "omg! the barrier activated!", and started trying to deactivate it. It ended with Adlet and Nashetania really activating the barrier by spilling blood and breaking the tablet (Nashetania was considered the "owner" of the barrier). Then Adlet and Hans went to check if the barrier was really activated, and it was. Later, when Nashetania was found out, she deactivated the barrier and escaped. It probably took some time for the fog to disappear, but by the time Adlet was awake the weather was nice and sunny again. Thanks for the clarification. I though that breaking it made it deactivated and let her navigate back and forth but keeping the braves inside. Still find it off the fact they both have the tatoo on the same exact part of the body. |
| One of my 2 favorite characters. Either Adlet or Hans. I got pretty big reasons to suspect them over the rest of the group. |
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Kilvann said: 3) This point isn't clear to me , we don't really know how you get the mark ( prerequisite etc ...) We will see in the future ( maybe 2nd course ?) or by reading le novel I think the novel (1st volume) stated the known prerequisites clearly - you have to show off how strong you are in a temple of the goddess of Fate. Maybe it had to be one of the original ones, built by Saint of the Single Flower herself. And you have to have the will to defeat the Majin. Other than that, the chosen ones tend to be capable fighters, young enough to be useful, old enough to be experienced. No other pattern has been revealed. What is totally unclear is - how do the fake braves get their marks? They sure cannot be done in an ordinary tattoo saloon, as they have a faint red glow. |
flannan said: All crest are real in my opinion if there wasn't real that would mean :I think the novel (1st volume) stated the known prerequisites clearly - you have to show off how strong you are in a temple of the goddess of Fate. Maybe it had to be one of the original ones, built by Saint of the Single Flower herself. And you have to have the will to defeat the Majin. Other than that, the chosen ones tend to be capable fighters, young enough to be useful, old enough to be experienced. No other pattern has been revealed. What is totally unclear is - how do the fake braves get their marks? They sure cannot be done in an ordinary tattoo saloon, as they have a faint red glow. -Fremy is the 8 -we don't see Nashetanya again (not until they return from Demons land ) So it seems unlikely that they isn't real because Nashetanya told "I deal with Demon God" why would she told that if she can't enter the demons land ? so i think all 8 crest are real still don't know how fiends get them ( my theory that from previous dead braves was declined by LN readers ). Also what you write are lets say requirements for becoming a brave but we still don't know how others except Adlet receive a crest so we can't say he definetely real brave because we saw him getting crest . |
flannan said: Kilvann said: 3) This point isn't clear to me , we don't really know how you get the mark ( prerequisite etc ...) We will see in the future ( maybe 2nd course ?) or by reading le novel I think the novel (1st volume) stated the known prerequisites clearly - you have to show off how strong you are in a temple of the goddess of Fate. Maybe it had to be one of the original ones, built by Saint of the Single Flower herself. And you have to have the will to defeat the Majin. Other than that, the chosen ones tend to be capable fighters, young enough to be useful, old enough to be experienced. No other pattern has been revealed. What is totally unclear is - how do the fake braves get their marks? They sure cannot be done in an ordinary tattoo saloon, as they have a faint red glow. Considering we have seen the tophat demon recruit villagers and we know Fremy's temple was built by humans, its safe to assume f iends have some way to protect the ones they want to let in into the territory or something. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Xenocrisi said: The votes are probably from LN readers... :/ i hope they are not I'm not a LN reader, but Adlet is already at the top of my list. He's far weaker in terms of sheer power compared to the others, and yet he's a Rokka somehow. Out of the group, Adlet is probably the 4th strongest. Also, are you oblivious to his intellect and wits? Also all of his gadgets and his logic? |
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ViciLockhart said: All crest are real in my opinion if there wasn't real that would mean : -Fremy is the 8 That absolutely does not make any sense at all Care to elaborate? |
CookingPriest said: Considering we have seen the tophat demon recruit villagers and we know Fremy's temple was built by humans, its safe to assume f iends have some way to protect the ones they want to let in into the territory or something. That's right. But it explains nothing about the fake marks, only that they don't necessarily protect against demonland by themselves. |
ttcchen said: Well if fake crest isn't real the only fake brave possible at that time would be Fremy . why? As half fiend she would be able to survive the poison in Demon Land but we have been told that even saints can't survive there without crest . ViciLockhart said: All crest are real in my opinion if there wasn't real that would mean : -Fremy is the 8 That absolutely does not make any sense at all Care to elaborate? Also Nashetanya told us that she will deal with Majin alone what means she is able to enter the Demon Land so she is sure that her crest protecting her from certain death from poison . that's why i think these all crest are real Care to elaborate ?:D |
ViciLockhart said: ttcchen said: Well if fake crest isn't real the only fake brave possible at that time would be Fremy . why? As half fiend she would be able to survive the poison in Demon Land but we have been told that even saints can't survive there without crest . That absolutely does not make any sense at all Care to elaborate? Also Nashetanya told us that she will deal with Majin alone what means she is able to enter the Demon Land . Care to elaborate ?:D I'll just quote another poster here: CookingPriest said: Considering we have seen the tophat demon recruit villagers and we know Fremy's temple was built by humans, its safe to assume f iends have some way to protect the ones they want to let in into the territory or something. |
flannan said: We don't know how this humans looks like or even if they are humans anymore in other to survive there they must been become corrupted by Majin poison. i will use Nashetanya as my trump card xD . she is human who haven't been corrupted by fiends in any way ( Adlet proving fremy genuine) and she doesn't cooperated with fiends and Majin ( maybe she's working with one group Fremy spoke about ) . The fiends wants and Majin wants to annihilate all humans Nashetanya have other goals. Edit : i'm not telling that they are 100 % real it's just me speculating i have just this feel it inside my bones ( womans bones never lie :P ) |
ViciLockhartSep 22, 2015 8:54 AM
| Could be but Majin alone can kill almost every human why would Nashetanya assume he agree on peace in first place after 300 years of been sleeping ?.Majin has come for one reason to simply kill i doubt it can be change so Nashetanya must kill him/it for her dream ( true peace) to come true and that isn't what is fiends purpose . |
ViciLockhartSep 22, 2015 9:04 AM
CookingPriest said: flannan said: She was suspicious, wasn't she? And yet somehow she went to "omg adlet are you hurt sweetie?!!?!" in last few episodes which felt random as all hell. I think the way she acted like that was because she hand't felt love in a long time. She used to get it constantly from her mother who then betrayed her. After all this time finding someone who even might "pretend" to love you is something to yearn for. That's why she's a bit clingy. But also, like others mentioned - she didn't trust him for a long time anyway (90% of the series). |
| Regarding the crests the Fake Braves have: ViciLockhart said: You're wrong in something. She is willing to revive him(not talk directly since a Majin(somewhat like a Demon Lord) won't wait for her to talk and just try to kill her off the bat). How? Well, I won't tell ya but it changes the whole scheme of how she wants to achieve true peace and her sophistries.Could be but Majin alone can kill almost every human why would Nashetanya assume he agree on peace in first place after 300 years of been sleeping ?.Majin has come for one reason to simply kill i doubt it can be change so Nashetanya must kill him/it for her dream ( true peace) to come true and that isn't what is fiends purpose . |
| I won't read spoiler ... ValhasDrew said: Ok so we can assume that one of groups of fiends want peace (according to Nashetanya) and one of Fiends comanders may be in it ( low chance to tell the true we have been told that they are devoted to Majin) furthermore i doubt that even a commander can lowest Majin desire to kill humans but i wonder how Fiends commands structure looks like or how you going up in they're structure... nah to much question to small info :P You're wrong in something. She is willing to revive him(not talk directly since a Majin(somewhat like a Demon Lord) won't wait for her to talk and just try to kill her off the bat). How? Well, I won't tell ya but it changes the whole scheme of how she wants to achieve true peace and her sophistries. Don't answer i don't want to know :P Edit: as for the fakes crest recall episode 7 Hans starts fighting with Adlet, Goldov hears it ( Nashetanya as well i think she also knew that Chamot is somewhere there too and may attack Hans/Adlet After ) she ignores it ( let them fight and kill eachother :P ) and go to look for something to blame Hans after Adlet ( and maybe Fremy) die. now in episode 9 she wanted Goldov to check her crest to see if any petal is gone , it wasn't and she tells that Adlet is trying really hard ( to stay alive and prove that he real ) so i think that she was confident that petal from her crest will be gone as well :P . |
ViciLockhartSep 22, 2015 11:57 AM
ViciLockhart said: flannan said: We don't know how this humans looks like or even if they are humans anymore in other to survive there they must been become corrupted by Majin poison. i will use Nashetanya as my trump card xD . she is human who haven't been corrupted by fiends in any way ( Adlet proving fremy genuine) and she doesn't cooperated with fiends and Majin ( maybe she's working with one group Fremy spoke about ) . The fiends wants and Majin wants to annihilate all humans Nashetanya have other goals. Actually, we know that Nashetania cooperates with some fiends. 1) She had a lot of them assist her in the plan. At the very least, she needed 1 shapeshifter fiend to stay near the temple and deceive Adlet, and 1 giant fiend to kill Riura. Most likely, all the fiends in this show so far (except for the "tophat demon" from Adlet's flashback) worked for her. 2) She used a "high-level fiend technique" to escape. No idea of the details, but there was probably a high-level fiend hidden nearby to do it. ViciLockhart said: The fiends wants and Majin wants to annihilate all humans Nashetanya have other goals. The Majin wanted to annihilate all humans. It is not necessary for all the fiends to share this goal, though they are known for being savage and loyal to Majin. Just look at another anime this season, Overlord. The Floor Guardians are all loyal to the Overlord, but their attitude towards humans varies a lot. @Nashetania's plan, possible spoilers up to vol 3. |
flannan said: Indeed, they could be loyal for a completely different reason.The Majin wanted to annihilate all humans. It is not necessary for all the fiends to share this goal, though they are known for being savage and loyal to Majin. Just look at another anime this season, Overlord. The Floor Guardians are all loyal to the Overlord, but their attitude towards humans varies a lot. |
| Chamot. Easy. My reasoning: affinity toward violence (and what better world for violence than 1 ruled by the Demon god); didn't know about the temple, but showed up anyway; her ability is already fiendish; didn't bring up the extra set of tools until Hans brought it up; and hasn't done anything positive without watchful eyes. |
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| Maybe Maura. She insisted even when Aldet proof himself he was inocence he was the 7th. Goldov is also in my list of suspect. |
| Well the new person pisses me off and seems unnecessary.... My money is on them, even though it's probably Adlet considering the amount of votes he got. |
gometa said: I think it's Goldof. My reasoning is, he pretended to be one so he could accompany the Princess, no bad intentions at all. The thing is, after Nashetanya trapped everyone in there, he knew that if came out, people would suspect him, even if he had nothing to with that. . I think Goldof is too genuine and innocent. In that scene where the princess tells him she thinks it's Hans, Goldof was really reluctant about it, tells me that he is a real brave. Sure, you could say he was acting but it was just the two of them so I don't know why Goldof would. But maybe your theory is right, it would just be pretty lame though if that was why the other fake was faking. |
SamuraiChameleon said: I don't understand why so many people voted for Adlet when we fucking saw him get chosen while he was imprisoned. He is literally the only character who couldn't possibly be a fake unless the real Adlet was killed and the one we have now is an impostor or some bs like that. We have no idea where did the demons (Fremy's group) got their fake mark and how it works. We also have no idea how a proper mark should appear. Spoilers up to vol 4: |
SamuraiChameleon said: How do you know that the Demon God didn't use it's magic to do it? Because Adlet is his slave and he doesn't even know it? The fact that he is the only one we've seen get "chosen" proves that that scene is nothing but a red herring, and the fact that you use that as your evidence proves the author's intentions worked.I don't understand why so many people voted for Adlet when we fucking saw him get chosen while he was imprisoned. He is literally the only character who couldn't possibly be a fake unless the real Adlet was killed and the one we have now is an impostor or some bs like that. “Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.” |
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Ahenshihael said: I dont see how do you like dogs is relevant since Adlet did not know Fremy for long enough to form any bond with her then unless author is going for love at first sight cliche which makes it B) Bad Writing. It's only bad writing if it's executed horribly. You can use clichés if done right it'll still be interesting. |
MariusMan said: im assuming you only read up to vol 2? XDI am sorry to spoil you, but is Mora, the demons took her dauther, and the only way to save her is to kill one hero, rip Hans :P |
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