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Apr 26, 2018 1:48 PM

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megaload said:
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Re:Zero (dont think its a Shounen)

OK, maybe you are thinking about battle shounen?
I don't get what is epic about it (Re:Zero) - mainly torture porn and teen anxieties.
People love drama and popular stuff, this is why it is so well received, not because of the the serialization or the overarching mysteries.
Also yanderes, people now love yanderes. (I am sooo old, I like tsunderes...)

Darling in the Franx doesn't strike me as epic too. Gundam Build Divers has better action...and it is mainly gunpla advertisement. People are watching Franx for the teen drama not for the epicness.


Detective Conan is old fashioned and kind of low key. Also has some children as main characters - people assume automatically it is kodomo.
Mystery is not so popular now days and the anime adaption has one big flow in comparison with the manga - it rearranges the arcs. This is a major issue because in manga those BO and other hints/developments are happening on regular base but in anime they are very uneven especially with the accumulation of filler episodes.


Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Re Zero either but I think its too dark for a Shounen and from what I know the manga adaptation is published in a Seinen magazine.

Detective Conan is definitely more old fashioned and I like that. It doesn't pander to typical anime fans.

Mystery and episodic. I don't think episodic anime are that popular these days, thats what I meant with "epic" regarding the other shows. Since they are seralized they are way more focused on the plot.
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Bourbon and Akai is the most popular pairing. Then, Kaito and Shinichi. LOL It's so weird. I also like BL but the Conan pairings are so weird to me since the characters are pretty much confirmed to be heterosexual and already like a girl.

Yeah, I prefer not to get spoiled for Conan. The fun part is watching it myself xD

Favourite male in Conan is easily Heiji with Akai and Shinichi following second. I also really like Sonoko's boyfriend and the Shogi player, Shukichi, that's dating Yumi. Favourite female is Shinichi's mother! :) I alsooooo really like Jodie sensei.
Apr 26, 2018 3:25 PM

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Bourbon and Akai is the most popular pairing. Then, Kaito and Shinichi. LOL It's so weird. I also like BL but the Conan pairings are so weird to me since the characters are pretty much confirmed to be heterosexual and already like a girl.

Yeah, I prefer not to get spoiled for Conan. The fun part is watching it myself xD

Favourite male in Conan is easily Heiji with Akai and Shinichi following second. I also really like Sonoko's boyfriend and the Shogi player, Shukichi, that's dating Yumi. Favourite female is Shinichi's mother! :) I alsooooo really like Jodie sensei.


Exactly. Detective Conan has pretty clear pairings already (that will likely be canon at the end) and all are straight but I guess there is no stopping fujoshi's. I guess in a way I understand the popularity of Bourbon and Akai considering their history and interactions but still weird.

Yeah Heiji is awesome, my favourite is Shinichi though. Regarding female characters I like Ai Haibara the most, her past with the BO and overall personality make her the most interesting for me. Wish she would get more focus

What do you think about Ran? She seems divisive in the Detective Conan western fandom, at least from what I have seen on other DC forums. She is a bit boring but I don't dislike her and think she is important.




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Bourbon and Akai is the most popular pairing. Then, Kaito and Shinichi. LOL It's so weird. I also like BL but the Conan pairings are so weird to me since the characters are pretty much confirmed to be heterosexual and already like a girl.

Yeah, I prefer not to get spoiled for Conan. The fun part is watching it myself xD

Favourite male in Conan is easily Heiji with Akai and Shinichi following second. I also really like Sonoko's boyfriend and the Shogi player, Shukichi, that's dating Yumi. Favourite female is Shinichi's mother! :) I alsooooo really like Jodie sensei.


Exactly. Detective Conan has pretty clear pairings already (that will likely be canon at the end) and all are straight but I guess there is no stopping fujoshi's. I guess in a way I understand the popularity of Bourbon and Akai considering their history and interactions but still weird.

Yeah Heiji is awesome, my favourite is Shinichi though. Regarding female characters I like Ai Haibara the most, her past with the BO and overall personality make her the most interesting for me. Wish she would get more focus

What do you think about Ran? She seems divisive in the Detective Conan western fandom, at least from what I have seen on other DC forums. She is a bit boring but I don't dislike her and think she is important.

I think with fujos, they love the love/hate relationship so Bourbon and Akai kind of fit that, as they want to expose/kill each other LOL

Shinichi is great, but we never get to see him :c I guess I like Heiji more because he's less overpowered haha. Ai is great, I like her as well! She would also be one of my favourites. I hope she gets more character development/focus too.

Ran is...Ran, I guess? She's cute but I find her kind of bland overall. Just the heroine/love interest of our main character. She is definitely one of the most important but I wish she'd be more involved sometimes other than be used for.. kicking people LOL
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Exactly. Detective Conan has pretty clear pairings already (that will likely be canon at the end) and all are straight but I guess there is no stopping fujoshi's. I guess in a way I understand the popularity of Bourbon and Akai considering their history and interactions but still weird.

Yeah Heiji is awesome, my favourite is Shinichi though. Regarding female characters I like Ai Haibara the most, her past with the BO and overall personality make her the most interesting for me. Wish she would get more focus

What do you think about Ran? She seems divisive in the Detective Conan western fandom, at least from what I have seen on other DC forums. She is a bit boring but I don't dislike her and think she is important.

I think with fujos, they love the love/hate relationship so Bourbon and Akai kind of fit that, as they want to expose/kill each other LOL

Shinichi is great, but we never get to see him :c I guess I like Heiji more because he's less overpowered haha. Ai is great, I like her as well! She would also be one of my favourites. I hope she gets more character development/focus too.

Ran is...Ran, I guess? She's cute but I find her kind of bland overall. Just the heroine/love interest of our main character. She is definitely one of the most important but I wish she'd be more involved sometimes other than be used for.. kicking people LOL


Yeah I guess I can see the appeal, I mean if one of them was a woman I might be shipping them too..lol.

We definitely need more Shinichi, the episodes with him are usually fantastic and some of the best of the series. Heiji is definitely more normal, although pretty OP for his age as well. I like the Conan and Heiji bromance.

We can only hope, it feels like the mangaka kind of stopped caring for her, she isn't very relevant anymore now that we have so many other characters involved in the main story.

Yeah thats the problem with Ran, she isn't bad but kind of boring and pretty stale for the whole series so far. We got much more interesting female characters with Ai, Jodie, Vermouth etc. I have the same problem with Kazuha too but at least she isn't the main love interest.

Whats your favourite BO arc so far? And top 3 favourite cases? If you don't mind discussing Detective Conan further
Apr 26, 2018 7:04 PM

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Yeah I guess I can see the appeal, I mean if one of them was a woman I might be shipping them too..lol.

We definitely need more Shinichi, the episodes with him are usually fantastic and some of the best of the series. Heiji is definitely more normal, although pretty OP for his age as well. I like the Conan and Heiji bromance.

We can only hope, it feels like the mangaka kind of stopped caring for her, she isn't very relevant anymore now that we have so many other characters involved in the main story.

Yeah thats the problem with Ran, she isn't bad but kind of boring and pretty stale for the whole series so far. We got much more interesting female characters with Ai, Jodie, Vermouth etc. I have the same problem with Kazuha too but at least she isn't the main love interest.

Whats your favourite BO arc so far? And top 3 favourite cases? If you don't mind discussing Detective Conan further
Definitely, I love Heiji and Conan teamwork episodes. It's great when Conan doesn't have to use his stun gun watch lol. Since Heiji can voice out their deductions.

Yeah. It's more focused on Sera, Bourbon and of course, Akai/FBI. They even focus a lot on the random side characters like the police...Even going as far to introducing more romances in there like Chiba and Miike. Too random.

Right!! The other female characters have much more to them. Ran's just good at fighting and cares for him :/ Kazuha is also boring lol. But she's good for Heiji and they have a lovely childhood of course.

I don't mind discussing further! :) "Clash of Red and Black" and "The Jet-Black Mystery Train" are one of my favourites. I just love anything with Akai and FBI mentioned because it's so plot twisty!! Top 3 favourite cases would be Moonlight Sonata, The Gathering of the Detectives! Shinichi Kudo vs. Kaitou Kid and The Twenty Year Old Murderous Intent: The Symphony Serial Murder Case. I generally enjoy cases that are on trains/boats/airplanes and then followed by cases in a house far away in the woods. :> It always makes it super exciting when they're isolated somewhere. How about you?
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I dig Detective Conan, and the way its old fashioned (I like modern anime style, but I really love old school, like 80's 90's and 2000's"), but I think it has really dropped in quality in both anime and manga somewhere in the middle. I think they should just stop all fillers already, and wrap up with the main plot, strait up.

Rather than crash and burn like Naruto, Bleach and others, they could go out with a bang, and finish with style.
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Yeah I guess I can see the appeal, I mean if one of them was a woman I might be shipping them too..lol.

We definitely need more Shinichi, the episodes with him are usually fantastic and some of the best of the series. Heiji is definitely more normal, although pretty OP for his age as well. I like the Conan and Heiji bromance.

We can only hope, it feels like the mangaka kind of stopped caring for her, she isn't very relevant anymore now that we have so many other characters involved in the main story.

Yeah thats the problem with Ran, she isn't bad but kind of boring and pretty stale for the whole series so far. We got much more interesting female characters with Ai, Jodie, Vermouth etc. I have the same problem with Kazuha too but at least she isn't the main love interest.

Whats your favourite BO arc so far? And top 3 favourite cases? If you don't mind discussing Detective Conan further
Definitely, I love Heiji and Conan teamwork episodes. It's great when Conan doesn't have to use his stun gun watch lol. Since Heiji can voice out their deductions.

Yeah. It's more focused on Sera, Bourbon and of course, Akai/FBI. They even focus a lot on the random side characters like the police...Even going as far to introducing more romances in there like Chiba and Miike. Too random.

Right!! The other female characters have much more to them. Ran's just good at fighting and cares for him :/ Kazuha is also boring lol. But she's good for Heiji and they have a lovely childhood of course.

I don't mind discussing further! :) "Clash of Red and Black" and "The Jet-Black Mystery Train" are one of my favourites. I just love anything with Akai and FBI mentioned because it's so plot twisty!! Top 3 favourite cases would be Moonlight Sonata, The Gathering of the Detectives! Shinichi Kudo vs. Kaitou Kid and The Twenty Year Old Murderous Intent: The Symphony Serial Murder Case. I generally enjoy cases that are on trains/boats/airplanes and then followed by cases in a house far away in the woods. :> It always makes it super exciting when they're isolated somewhere. How about you?


Agreed, I think one of the reasons Sera was introduced is so that we have another partner for Conan to solve some cases, which I like (even though she isn't as great as Heiji).

Its great that there are some great side characters and ships in DC but even giving rather bland minor characters like Chiba and Miike their own cases and focus is too much. Its like a worse version of Takagi and Sato (who I like).

Yeah they are both good for the guys but sadly boring on their own (especially when they are together, then they just seem extra useless and oblivious like during that Vampire case). I actually wanted Conan and Ai to get together at a point because they had a better developed relationship than Shinichi and Run but that would go kind of against the whole set up of the series.

Those are good picks, Clash of Red and Black is definitely one of the best. Overall I think the Vermouth arc is my favourite. It was build up for a long time and there were a lot of side cases but when the pay off came it was satisfying (in the "Head to Head with the Black Organization" special) and there some real highlights throughout that arc. Like the Desperate Revival episodes where Shinichi returns, the New York flashback, Vermouth doing her shady things in the background which lead to a lot of suspense etc.

Currently we are in the Rum arc and its pretty interesting so far.

Lol, those types of cases are my favourites as well and when I'm in the mood for some DC I like to rewatch those. There is just way more tension when they are isolated.

The Moonlight Sonata is a classic and fan favourite (always see it on best episodes lists), it was quite dark and the ending was emotional. My other favourites are (not counting any Shinichi episodes) Holmes Freak Murder Case, And Then There Were No Mermaids and The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages (the Takagi and Conan moment was especially memorable).

My least favourite type of cases are the Detective Boys one's apart from a few exceptions. I mean I like Ai but the rest are kind of boring characters and they aren't that engaging to watch. Yours? I see you have watched the movies, are they good? Since they aren't canon I skipped them when I watched the series (same for filler episodes so if there are any great one's there recommend them as well).
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Yes, and the difference between Sera and Heiji is that she actually plays a part in BO Main Story since of her... You know. It's good to have strong AND smart female characters here LOL (seeing as both Ran and Sonoko are average in wits)

I like Takagi x Sato as well! I wish they would just relax with all the pairings. Since Chiba and Miike aren't that interesting together. We already have like... 10 different pairings which are "childhood friends into lovers" LOLOL

Yeah, the build up for the Vermouth Arc was fantastic. I love it when they put small things in the side cases and then push it back into a full case later on.

If only the anime had more main story episodes, I'd be more hyped for the Rum arc ;-;

I rewatch those as well! I've been collecting the manga lately and I read my favourite cases in their manga form. :> It's a nice way to "rewatch" stuff.

Oh yessss. Definitely enjoy those ones. If it rings a bell, it means I really liked it!

I also dislike Detective Boys cases on the most part. Not that many tricks or twists. Just the boys doing actual kid stuff, like finding a stray cat lol. Basic stuff. And when it gets darker, the most that happens is Ayumi or Conan gets kidnapped and they have to be rescued. So lame :c I prefer an actual case with a backstory and the adults/police involving in it.

I love the movies actually! Not all of them but most of them were a blast. Some are great to watch if you enjoy Main Story stuff, since it's heavily related to BO. Personally, my favourite movies are 5 and followed by 6. 5 is legit so thriller and fun to watch, it has the most climatic scenes I've ever seen in any DC movie/special/episode! :) The big difference is that NONE of the movies have any... crazy trick with the murders. It relies on action, thrill and excitement more than strategic stuff. I like having that variety tho.
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About the movies - not a big fan of them but there are some passable - Countdown to Heaven, Crossroad in the Ancient Capital, Requiem of the Detectives, The Raven Chaser, The Sniper from Another Dimension and The Hellfire Sunflowers.
Also the crossovers with Lupin III are great - Lupin III vs. Detective Conan and Lupin III vs. Detective Conan: The Movie, especially the second one.
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Yes, and the difference between Sera and Heiji is that she actually plays a part in BO Main Story since of her... You know. It's good to have strong AND smart female characters here LOL (seeing as both Ran and Sonoko are average in wits)

I like Takagi x Sato as well! I wish they would just relax with all the pairings. Since Chiba and Miike aren't that interesting together. We already have like... 10 different pairings which are "childhood friends into lovers" LOLOL

Yeah, the build up for the Vermouth Arc was fantastic. I love it when they put small things in the side cases and then push it back into a full case later on.

If only the anime had more main story episodes, I'd be more hyped for the Rum arc ;-;

I rewatch those as well! I've been collecting the manga lately and I read my favourite cases in their manga form. :> It's a nice way to "rewatch" stuff.

Oh yessss. Definitely enjoy those ones. If it rings a bell, it means I really liked it!

I also dislike Detective Boys cases on the most part. Not that many tricks or twists. Just the boys doing actual kid stuff, like finding a stray cat lol. Basic stuff. And when it gets darker, the most that happens is Ayumi or Conan gets kidnapped and they have to be rescued. So lame :c I prefer an actual case with a backstory and the adults/police involving in it.

I love the movies actually! Not all of them but most of them were a blast. Some are great to watch if you enjoy Main Story stuff, since it's heavily related to BO. Personally, my favourite movies are 5 and followed by 6. 5 is legit so thriller and fun to watch, it has the most climatic scenes I've ever seen in any DC movie/special/episode! :) The big difference is that NONE of the movies have any... crazy trick with the murders. It relies on action, thrill and excitement more than strategic stuff. I like having that variety tho.


Lol, the mangaka sure loves that type of romance..I think its sweet although more variety here would be good. I only really care about like 5 ships at the most. Like Shinichi x Rank, Conan x Ai (not going to happen but I like their relationship, your thoughts? Its quite popular in the west), Heiji and Kazuha, Takagi x Sato and I think Kogoro x Eri is underrated.

Yeah I also liked back then how Conan didn't have many allies. Its good that the story expanded of course but I also miss the simpler times. The anime has sooo much filler sadly so it progresses slowly.

Nice, I only collected the special Black Organization volumes so far. Pretty good to read it all as one big story without any interruptions

Yeah the Detective Boys cases are automatically more childish. I get why its done (more variety) but when a DB related case comes up I lose interest most of the time.

When do you think the series should end and how do you want it to be handled? I hope the mangaka focuses more on the plot now so the series can end in 5 years or so, before it goes downhill. As for the end Ran should definitely now that Conan was Shinichi (although it will make her look silly since she suspected it quite often), not sure about Kogoro though. Knowing that he didn't do 99% of the cases would be depressing lol.


So the movies go more into a typical blockbuster type of direction? Makes sense. I'll check those out.

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I dig Detective Conan, and the way its old fashioned (I like modern anime style, but I really love old school, like 80's 90's and 2000's"), but I think it has really dropped in quality in both anime and manga somewhere in the middle. I think they should just stop all fillers already, and wrap up with the main plot, strait up.

Rather than crash and burn like Naruto, Bleach and others, they could go out with a bang, and finish with style.


While the cases arent as creative anymore, I think they are still enjoyable and the main story only became more interesting. Still I agree that it should end in 5 years or so and not be dragged out too much
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I like Conan x Ai as well, but not gonna bother shipping them since it's so impossible. If Ran didn't exist, it would be a surefire win. I also think Kogoro and Eri are underrated. I love their sweet moments. It's too bad Kogoro's a sleazebag lol

>The anime has sooo much filler sadly so it progresses slowly. Do you watch those episodes?
Yes I've actually watched every filler LOL. I watched all the main story episodes first while watching a few fillers on the side and I slowly caught up to the current episodes. Most fillers are like 6/10 at best sadly :( But I do enjoy cases with more than one episode at least. You just can't pull off a cool case in an episode.

>Do you also get a bit tired of the many times Ran almost gets to know that Conan is Shinichi? It makes her look kind of dumb lol. I really hope at the end its revealed to her. Not sure about Kogoro though, would be depressing for him if he knew Conan did all the cases
YES I hate how close she gets lol. Come on, it's been like 800+ episodes. I wish she would find out and help him out. Then, it wouldn't be that strange. Kogoro... doesn't need to know lol

>So the movies go more into a typical blockbuster type of direction?
Yeah it's great for when you want something with less problem solving. Kick back and enjoy the ride :> A lot of the movies have a fair amount of Shinichi x Ran so it's nice to see that cute romance.

>When do you think the series should end and how do you want it to be handled?
I hope it ends in the next 2 years. But that's impossible considering the manga only goes that fast and Aoyama will never drop info that quickly and throw main story cases into the manga. It's a cash cow after all. The longer it gets, the more $$$. I'd like to see everything tied up at least. I want to see everything explained, the BO's motives, every single character exposed (lack of better word but you get what I mean).
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I like Conan x Ai as well, but not gonna bother shipping them since it's so impossible. If Ran didn't exist, it would be a surefire win. I also think Kogoro and Eri are underrated. I love their sweet moments. It's too bad Kogoro's a sleazebag lol

>The anime has sooo much filler sadly so it progresses slowly. Do you watch those episodes?
Yes I've actually watched every filler LOL. I watched all the main story episodes first while watching a few fillers on the side and I slowly caught up to the current episodes. Most fillers are like 6/10 at best sadly :( But I do enjoy cases with more than one episode at least. You just can't pull off a cool case in an episode.

>Do you also get a bit tired of the many times Ran almost gets to know that Conan is Shinichi? It makes her look kind of dumb lol. I really hope at the end its revealed to her. Not sure about Kogoro though, would be depressing for him if he knew Conan did all the cases
YES I hate how close she gets lol. Come on, it's been like 800+ episodes. I wish she would find out and help him out. Then, it wouldn't be that strange. Kogoro... doesn't need to know lol

>So the movies go more into a typical blockbuster type of direction?
Yeah it's great for when you want something with less problem solving. Kick back and enjoy the ride :> A lot of the movies have a fair amount of Shinichi x Ran so it's nice to see that cute romance.

>When do you think the series should end and how do you want it to be handled?
I hope it ends in the next 2 years. But that's impossible considering the manga only goes that fast and Aoyama will never drop info that quickly and throw main story cases into the manga. It's a cash cow after all. The longer it gets, the more $$$. I'd like to see everything tied up at least. I want to see everything explained, the BO's motives, every single character exposed (lack of better word but you get what I mean).


Or he could have switched to Conan x Ai midway through but its even too late for that now. Good relationship either way though (even if they are just friends) and Shinichi x Ran is still cute anyway. Lol, hope Kogoro gets less sleazy at the end so they get a happy ending.

Good thing I skipped them then, fillers are always lacking compared to the source material (learned that when watching Shounen anime).

I think its because the mangaka doesn't want to change up the status quo too much which is a shame. It would be more interesting if Ran learned about it.

Yeah 2 years is definitely too fast, still I hope it ends in 5 years at least (and even that doesn't seem that likely,considering the slow pace and how much still needs to be resolved).

Anyway, it was nice discussing DC with you! I may message you again, if I want to talk about another anime that we both watched and liked, if thats ok.
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>Or he could have switched to Conan x Ai midway through but its even too late for that now.
I mean it's not possible because Shinichi already loved Ran since childhood. Switching would be such an asshole move LOL.

Yeah, the fillers weren't that worth. But I am a completion. There were some few good ones out of the bunch and they're a good time killer. Still better than other anime I've seen.

>It would be more interesting if Ran learned about it.
Yeah, like Kaito, Heiji, Sera, Akai all know... More allies makes the cases more exciting I find.

>considering the slow pace and how much still needs to be resolved
Of course lol. I'll still be following it regardless. I like having some mystery every week. Speaking of mystery, what other mystery anime do you like? (you can reply in messages/comments when you feel like it)

>Anyway, it was nice discussing DC with you! I may message you again, if I want to talk about another anime that we both watched and liked, if thats ok.
Sure! I prefer profile comments (my inbox is cluttered lol) so hit me up whenever :>
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>Or he could have switched to Conan x Ai midway through but its even too late for that now.
I mean it's not possible because Shinichi already loved Ran since childhood. Switching would be such an asshole move LOL.

Yeah, the fillers weren't that worth. But I am a completion. There were some few good ones out of the bunch and they're a good time killer. Still better than other anime I've seen.

>It would be more interesting if Ran learned about it.
Yeah, like Kaito, Heiji, Sera, Akai all know... More allies makes the cases more exciting I find.

>considering the slow pace and how much still needs to be resolved
Of course lol. I'll still be following it regardless. I like having some mystery every week. Speaking of mystery, what other mystery anime do you like? (you can reply in messages/comments when you feel like it)

>Anyway, it was nice discussing DC with you! I may message you again, if I want to talk about another anime that we both watched and liked, if thats ok.
Sure! I prefer profile comments (my inbox is cluttered lol) so hit me up whenever :>


Lol, true it wouldn't fit in a series like DC but it wouldn't be that unrealistic to just move on from your childhood love.

Definitely, although Ran probably couldn't help much, unlike the others.

Yeah me as well. I have been following this series for like 13 years or so (watched it as a kid), you?

I posted on your profile regarding other mystery anime, if you want to talk more.
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