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[size=90][b]mentors[/b] [/size][/color][/spoiler]  [size=90][b]lynching[/b] [spoiler]
[size=90][b]inactivity[/b] [spoiler]There WILL be consequences for inactivity (day phase). A first phase of inactivity will result in a follow up via PM. A second phase will result in either replacement or death. For the night phase, if a bad guy does not participate in discussion or voting, the same terms and conditions will apply for both the main thread and the mafia thread. Good guys will not be required to post during the night time.[/size][/spoiler][/list]   [spoiler] [color=#e4499a]1. sleepfulfish 2. Leafz_soul 3. VanityStar 4. 14leblanck 5. BetaKnight 6. cherushi-chan 7. Lycelra_ 8. dragon_ball_z 9. lennah 10. lupadim 11. Switch-kun[/color] |
Suzune-Chan - Mafia Mentor: The Octolong. Only exists in the private Octarian (mafia) club. Cannot post in the main thread. Works to help guide the mafia, but cannot vote or specifically name names for targets.SorenSep 30, 2015 2:27 PM
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MaiTaiAug 28, 2015 2:39 PM
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I'd also like to announce SWITCH-KUN as the winner of the free forum or badge set. Please PM me with which one you'd rather have. I'll get it to you as soon as I am able. It will be Splatoon themed. nonnegotiable lol Da Proof |
MaiTaiAug 28, 2015 3:00 PM
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 [size=90][u]D A Y O N E[/u] Callie (Soren): It's a beautiful day in Inkopolis! Let's Splat it up with our regula-- Marie (Lamb): Hold that thought, Marie. We just got word of something. SOMETHING BIG. Callie: Oh, I know! A new Splatfest, right? Marie: Seriously. Do you EVER check your Ink-Mail? Callie: Er--Oh yeah. THAT. That really is SOMETHING BIG. Marie: You betcha. So bad, we have to call in the troops for this one. Callie: That's where YOU guys come in. The Octarian have invaded the city! Marie: And we need YOUR help...because...y'know...we're retired and all.[/b] Callie: *cough* The highest ranked Inklings of the city gathered at the plaza to discuss their plan of action. However, something was off... Were they kids? Were they squids? Or were they...something else... Day 01 has begun and will end 24 hours from this post. Everyone must post at least once this phase to be deemed active. However, a lynch is completely optional for this phase. Remember to cast your vote using the Vote: MaiTai format. If you decide to vote against a lynch, indicate it with Vote: No lynch. Good luck and staaay fresh! |
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| Hello everyone, I am Soren, your mentor for this game. What this means is that I am here to teach you the game, how to play and what to do. If you have any questions at all feel free to ask me. What I can't do however, is give my own thoughts on the game, nor can I vote. What this means is that I can't tell you whether or not I think someone is mafia or if I think someone is town. That is up to you to work out, I am just here to guide your thoughts. Starting off, it is day 1 of the game, this is where we begin the game and we have little to no information to work with. But that's the reason why, as town we've got to act and discuss. To break the ice, I would recommend that everyone place a vote, you don't need to have a reason behind your vote at this point, it's just good to place one so we can kick the game off, otherwise there wouldn't be much discussion forming. This stage of the game is also known as RVS stage, which stands for random voting stage. There's already a wiki article for this, which explains it better than me, I would advise everyone to read it as kicking the game off to spur on discussion is the most crucial part of the game, because discussion is the backbone of the game. RVS wiki page Here are some useful links to learn about the game, read at your leisure ~ A Beginner's Guide to Being Awesome At mafia Evolving your play Common Problems in Mafia Games A Guide To Focusing on Scum and Getting Them Lynched How to Win Scum Games Combating Apathy |
SorenAug 28, 2015 7:23 PM
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| Hello ^^ Let's all have fun :D Soren333 said: To break the ice, I would recommend that everyone place a vote, you don't need to have a reason behind your vote at this point, it's just good to place one so we can kick the game off, otherwise there wouldn't be much discussion forming. This stage of the game is also known as RVS stage, which stands for random voting stage. I don't know if I'll still be here later so...A random vote Vote: Switch-kun No, it's not because he won >.> |
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| Hello~ Yall can call me sleepy or fish <' ) } }>< @Soren/Callie(?) that's A LOT of resources to go through ._. Vote: Switch-kun Where's your luck now D: |
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| Vote: Lupadim RVS vote cherushi-chan said: I don't know if I'll still be here later so...A random vote Vote: Switch-kun No, it's not because he won >.> If my name is not written on it, you may have it if you want. |
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sleepfulfish said: Hello~ Yall can call me sleepy or fish <' ) } }>< @Soren/Callie(?) that's A LOT of resources to go through ._. Vote: Switch-kun Where's your luck now D: lol, looks like it was a bad luck.. |
You will be what you will to be. |
BetaKnight said: If you have questions regarding your role or game rules I would suggest that you PM MaiTai. If you have questions about how to play, not understanding things etc, you can ask me or Lamby-Pyuru who is also your mentor.@ Soren333 if we have other questions about this mafia game who do we go to? MaiTai or the mentors? Do we pm or ask our questions here? |
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| vote:betaknight cause he voted randomly! ~random vote |
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| Cause you didn't vote for switch-kun! |
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Switch-kun said: If my name is not written on it, you may have it if you want. Nah, I just can't think of other reasons. Is this bribing? :O haha |
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BetaKnight said: wow, you're easily swayed.ok? but why do you want to vote switch - kun? He only won the prize... Well I honestly only voted for Lycelra_ because she/he was last. Unvote: Lycelra_ |
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| I don't have a reaso, I mean im waiting for atleast day 2 before I start to play more seriously unvote: BetaKnight |
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| Hmm I will vote in 1 hour... I will not unvote that one |
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| vote:cherushi-senpai, this is mainly because of the saying a guilty dog barks first.this is mostly random still :P |
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Leafz_Soul said: I don't have a reaso, I mean im waiting for atleast day 2 before I start to play more seriously unvote: BetaKnight Just thought I'd put it out there that Day 1 is just as important as any other day, if not more so. Even if you do not happen to pick up on scum right off the bat, it usually acts as a good way to pick up on stronger town-aligned intentions. Finding one before having to rely on the night phase itself is also a good way to pick up on reactions you would have otherwise missed, which in many situations can be a dead give-away and spiral out of control and for the Mafia's hand and even get them to sacrifice their own or fall back on to desperate moves. Having pressure will always give town the upper-hand in the flow of information and the game itself. You should never leave a day phase up to someone who you can't trust, which in most cases will be anyone but yourself. ( Giving away a single phase usually costs an ally and at least the following night phase, if not more ) Which always has the possibility of deciding the entire game. |
| Hi^^ Vote: cherushi-chan A random vote~ |
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dragon_ball_z said: Vote: lennah Mostly voting since he / she hasn't posted yet. Trying to see if it will bring them out and get them to play. I wish I had been faster :D |
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dragon_ball_z said: Morning everyone ^_^ or morning for me, at least Vote: lennah Mostly voting since he / she hasn't posted yet. Trying to see if it will bring them out and get them to play. ---------------------------------------- Soren and Lamby, I have a question for you guys. What do you two think about day one lynching? I know there's always been a battle about whether it's good or not. It's mostly said that it can help townies, but of course there is always a risk that a townie will be lynched, seeing as how it is day one and information is still being gathered. I've seen people argue about it both ways in a few other games I've played, so I was just curious as to what you two would suggest. No matter what the results of the lynch are, information is information... you will be able to get a clearer view on most of the players partaking in said lynch and the discussion surrounding it. So you can typically clear numerous names, even in a "bad" lynch and it just narrows things down and will have a positive impact later down the track. Also think of it this way: If not the first day, you will run into a very similar situation Day 3 and onwards.... which is just giving a 2 phase advantage away. Day 1 lynched always have their benefit, you just have to take everything you can from it instead of letting it go to waste and get you down. Note: I may have something to add here in the near future, but I will get a second opinion or check with the host to see that it is fine I mention/reference something specific. Edit: tl;dr - Lynching is usually the only way to win as town. It is your strongest weapon, if you don't use it, Mafia will. |
LambtronAug 29, 2015 5:15 AM
dragon_ball_z said: Going for another person that hasn't posted yet to see if it will bring him / her out. I'm sure that person will be here shortly. She/he will feel the pressure really soon :D *speaking from experience* |
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lennah said: dragon_ball_z said: Going for another person that hasn't posted yet to see if it will bring him / her out. I'm sure that person will be here shortly. She/he will feel the pressure really soon :D *speaking from experience* *continuously waiting* |
You will be what you will to be. |
Switch-kun said: lennah said: I'm sure that person will be here shortly. She/he will feel the pressure really soon :D *speaking from experience* *continuously waiting* VanityStar is fearless :D |
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| Chances are that I'll get lynched during the day but if, by any chance, I survive the lynch, the mafia will kill me at night because I won the forum set/badge... Then you know who the mafia is (I cut it so that mafia could not read it) Anyways, I won the lottery... So, yay, I guess.. |
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| If vanity is a townie she has nothing to fear(though she will be getting that warning sioon). If she would be feeling the pressure that means she is mafia, the only way for someone to know that is if they where mafia...(I just woke up so my thought train is broke) |
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| We're at a big disadvantage this game. Usually, the town has two special roles to help (cop and doctor), but here we got no one to aid us. Either way: vote: dragon_ball_z Hunting inactive players is like, one of the oldest tricks in the mafia book. It's very easy to press on those players because they can't defend themselves. And that's exactly what you are doing. |
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| Good idea, I'll stick with my vote for now... Until my Brain works in full force. |
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| I feel so inexperienced >.< I have no idea how to really get into the game and play (to suspect and ask questions and all) *goes to read other ongoing mafia games* |
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dragon_ball_z said: lupadim said: We're at a big disadvantage this game. Usually, the town has two special roles to help (cop and doctor), but here we got no one to aid us. Either way: vote: dragon_ball_z Hunting inactive players is like, one of the oldest tricks in the mafia book. It's very easy to press on those players because they can't defend themselves. And that's exactly what you are doing. So how is voting for inactive players one of the oldest tricks in the mafia book? In the 3 games I've played, mafia ended up being the most inactive players because they were too afraid to post in fear that people would be able to easily pick them out. So they just lurked instead. This means that you are posting more to try and hide among the townies so that it is easy to keep from being suspected. Quite a good idea. Also you are heavily trying to prove your not, that makes you more suspicious... |
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| Can I clarify some things? For lynching, the person with the most votes gets lynched even if only one person voted? As in only person A votes and the rest do not, does the person person A voted get lynched? For phases, both phases are 24 hours each or are both within the same 24 hours? Can we still post here in the night phase? |
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dragon_ball_z said: lupadim said: We're at a big disadvantage this game. Usually, the town has two special roles to help (cop and doctor), but here we got no one to aid us. Either way: vote: dragon_ball_z Hunting inactive players is like, one of the oldest tricks in the mafia book. It's very easy to press on those players because they can't defend themselves. And that's exactly what you are doing. So how is voting for inactive players one of the oldest tricks in the mafia book? In the 3 games I've played, mafia ended up being the most inactive players because they were too afraid to post in fear that people would be able to easily pick them out. So they just lurked instead. By doing differently from the mafia stereotype that you have in mind, you pretty much admitted (indirectly) that you're mafia this game. Lmao |
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| And that makes you even more suspicious... unvote:cherushi-senpai vote:dragon_ball_z ------------------------------ I am super suspicious of this player. The way he reacts makes him a clear target. I wouldn't tell anyone my alignment ever, that would either make me suspicious or an easy target. Note: I'm still half asleep. I need coffee |
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sleepfulfish said: I feel so inexperienced >.< I have no idea how to really get into the game and play (to suspect and ask questions and all) *goes to read other ongoing mafia games* This is a little time consuming and there isn't a lot in terms of "ongoing" at this exact point in time with a couple finishing up not long ago. Though we should have another starting up very soon, however for obious reasons you wont be able to use day 1 from that one as an example. But I would highly suggest taking a look at some past games, possibly the more recent few if anything ( Soren could probably provide better suggestions though ) This game in particular, even with a bit off a mess, had an amazing start/Day 1. We were able to pick up on about 4... possibly more viable town reads and pick out 3/5 Mafia members before the end of the first phase. We also went on to just pick out even more and have a really dominant presence and gave no room for Mafia to sneak through the cracks or go un-punished as we simply had good enough a grasp to control most of the games flow. X-men Mafia Sorry if this post and or link are a bit much for now. |
| Morning all! I am on mobile for the weekend so be patient with me. It seems like you all are off to an active start. Your mentors are more than capable to help out, but if you have an issue with that or any questions beyond gameplay, you can PM me. I will answer you ASAP. Thanks! Ignore any weird wording or typos as this was sent via iPhone. |
MaiTaiAug 29, 2015 9:31 AM
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| Morning, though I guess it's evening for most of you. Based on the statistics. Vote: no lynch But I suspect lupadim, and BetaKnight, at the moment. |
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dragon_ball_z said: Thank you for the question, I shall explain why I think Day 1 lynching is advantageous over no lynching on day 1. Soren and Lamby, I have a question for you guys. What do you two think about day one lynching? I know there's always been a battle about whether it's good or not. It's mostly said that it can help townies, but of course there is always a risk that a townie will be lynched, seeing as how it is day one and information is still being gathered. I've seen people argue about it both ways in a few other games I've played, so I was just curious as to what you two would suggest. It is a common debate on day 1 in mafia society and in other mafia games around MAL, about whether or not we should lynch on day 1. The argument is between those that are pro day 1 lynch, and those that are against day 1 lynching. Let me focus on the players who are against day 1 lynching. This is how they argue: Premise 1 - There are more townies than mafia at the start of the game, therefore on day 1, if we random lynch there is a higher chance of lynching townie than mafia. Premise 2 - We do not want to lynch a townie. Conclusion - Therefore, we should not lynch on day 1. There appears to be some logic behind this as to why it is disadvantageous to lynch on day 1. But here's why this argument doesn't work. First off, let's take a look at premise 1. Here it assumes that town will be basing a lynch solely on randomness. Here two assumptions are made, the first being that the reason behind every vote is that it is entirely random, and secondly, they assume that the entire day 1 will be spent on just random lynching. But this is not the case. They assume this because they do not understand that there is a purpose behind random lynching. Random lynching should only last for about 10% - 50% of the first day phase. The remaining time of that day phase, should be spent on looking at all the posts and votes that has been made so far, and beginning to form reads (reads = whether you think someone is aligned with town or mafia) and suspect people of being mafia for being suspicious. The purpose of random lynching is explained much more clearly in the RVS wiki link that I already provided, which I strongly recommend everyone to read. But I will quote one thing from it: RVS said: Note that truly random voting, is strictly frowned upon. A vote that is demonstrably random carries no motivation to be read into, and is completely informationless. This is not the intent of the "random voting stage". The most important part of this quote is the last sentence. The intent of RVS is not to just throw random votes and be done with that. It's to understand whether someone's vote is truly random. And to also see what reactions or responses that arises from these votes. The point of RVS is to progress the game until someone has placed a serious vote, and from there the game progresses onwards. Now, taking a look at the rest of the argument. Premise 2 is solid, but conveys a protective perspective as oppose to a combative approach. Because "we do not want to lynch a townie" seems to imply that we shouldn't lynch at all. But the idea behind lynching is to lynch a mafia. Lynching is also the only way to get rid of mafias in this game (even more so in this setup because there are no town killing power roles, such as a vigilante). Therefore, lynching is town's strongest weapon against the mafia and should be used to its fullest extent. The mafia will try to manipulate town's tool of lynching in the mafia's favor, as mafia's also possesses the ability to vote. Therefore, it is also the town's duty to discern what motivation is behind a vote that someone has placed. Now when we take a look at the conclusion that it draws, not lynching on day 1. RVS is to progress the game, the intent behind it is to not end up random lynching someone, but as it drags on, a serious vote and serious accusations will follow. Players that are against day 1 lynching, do not progress the game at all. They propose that day 1 lynching is bad, but do not do anything else that would progress the game, and they end up lurking in the game. That is completely anti-town. Even more so in this game, because the setup of this game does not have any power roles what so ever (power roles such as cop [can check if someone is town or mafia in the night] and doctor [can protect someone from being killed in the night]). This is another argument that people who are against day 1 lynches make. Premise 1 - We do not want to risk getting a townie lynched. Premise 2 - We should wait for night 1 to past, and hope that we can gain some information from that. Conclusion - This is the safest approach as we do not accidentally lynch a townie, and we will gain information after night 1. Looking at premise 1, my response to it is the same as my response to premise 2 from the first argument, so I won't go into this again. Now premise 2 is where wishful thinking comes into play. What happens in night 1? A townie will get killed in the night. Power roles can use their ability, and might gain some useful information (there are no power roles in this setup, so this part doesn't apply to this particular game, but it is important to note this for future games). So day 2 arrives, and where are we at. A townie died, and power roles might or might not have gained information. We learn almost nothing from a townie dieing, many speculate as to who would kill this townie, but it eventually proves to be fruitless to guess who would have killed this townie, because there are multiple mafias and guessing their actions are almost pointless because there is hardly any strong basis behind it. Now, power roles may have gained some information, and if that information involves the possible identity of a mafia, then they should reveal it. But more often than not, power roles do not gain any conclusive information from night 1. And especially in this game, there are no power roles for us to rely on. It is this reliance on power roles that we should avoid to do. This is something that I often hear, "I don't suspect anyone right now, so I'm just going to wait until the cop gets a mafia or something". This goes back to my initial point at the start about wishful thinking. They rely on the cop, as oppose to their own ability to discuss and discern people's alignment on their own. Especially when there is no guarantee at all that the cop will find a mafia, and when the cop could get killed by the mafia. Townies should not depend on other roles, since there is no guarantee of information and those roles are not within their own control. Townies should focus on what they are in control of, which is their own actions, such as discussion, accusing, pushing lynches and voting. Each of these should be used to their fullest extent. Going back to random lynching. Players against day 1 lynches are too afraid of the risk of lynching a town and end up doing nothing, and now they place so much reliance on power roles, that when power roles do not provide them with any information, they are at a loss at what to do. This kind of play should be avoided at all cost. There is so much that can be achieved through discussion alone. Analyzing whether someone's push on another player is scummy (scum = mafia, scummy = acting like a mafia), looking at player interactions to discern alignment, whether someone's actions are pro town or anti town, whether someone hasn't been interacting with another player to create distance between them because they are mafia buddies, and so on. So, I've rambled on a fair bit, so let me just summarize everything with a pros and cons list. No lynch on day 1 Pros: - You avoid the risk of lynching a townie (but arguably, this can be a con) Cons: - No progression made to the game, day 1 is wasted. - Doesn't make use of the chance that a mafia can be lynched - When day 2 arrives, a townie will be dead, there are no power roles so no information is gained in the night, and you are put back in the same position which you were in on day 1. So will you just no lynch again? Day 1 lynch: Pros: - Kicks the game off, eventually someone will place a serious vote - Lynches forms wagons and counter wagons, which are informative - Player interactions can be analysed here - Reads can be formed based on player's opinions and reactions - A mafia can be lynched Cons: - It is possible that a townie will be lynched (but even if a townie is lynched, you will have gained a wealthy amount of information to work with for day 2) I ended up writing a lengthy post behind this, so if there was anything that you didn't understand, then feel free to ask me about it. Also, here is very good discussion topic on voting which is worth a read through. |
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sleepfulfish said: One thing that an inexperience player can start by doing, is to comment on what is going on in the game. I feel so inexperienced >.< I have no idea how to really get into the game and play (to suspect and ask questions and all) *goes to read other ongoing mafia games* For example, what are your thoughts on the current accusation found in post 39 and post 42. Do you think someone there is right or wrong? Do you agree with what they say? Any other thoughts? sleepfulfish said: Yes, the person with the most votes will get lynched.For lynching, the person with the most votes gets lynched even if only one person voted? As in only person A votes and the rest do not, does the person person A voted get lynched? Yes, the person that person A voted for will get lynched in that scenario. sleepfulfish said: Day and night phases are 24 hours each. You can still post here in the night phase.For phases, both phases are 24 hours each or are both within the same 24 hours? Can we still post here in the night phase? 14leblanck said: I would encourage you to vote for the people that you suspect to progress your suspicion on them. And you should also explain the reason why you suspect them. Morning, though I guess it's evening for most of you. Based on the statistics. Vote: no lynch But I suspect lupadim, and BetaKnight, at the moment. |
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