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Dec 16, 2009 11:06 PM

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no ww1 ---> Hitler would have been an artist ---> no ww2 ---> no evil Solviet Union.

basically, the world might have been more peaceful, but amrican would have gotten extremely racist and sexest. And i think we would have also be lagging in new advance technology.
Dec 17, 2009 10:03 AM

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Maora said:
no ww1 ---> Hitler would have been an artist ---> no ww2 ---> no evil Solviet Union.

basically, the world might have been more peaceful, but amrican would have gotten extremely racist and sexest. And i think we would have also be lagging in new advance technology.


Hitler would not become an artist because he was good at buildings (architecture) and not people. WW1 would not change this fact or so called fact. Since WW1 never happened Hitler would have not participated in WW2 anyway. We would probably had to deal with the Solviet Union but probably at a smaller scale than what happened in WW2 and cold war.

Now since none of these wars would happen smaller wars would probably take place. This would mean that we would have similar technology but created at a slower rate. Wars help improve technology and weapons faster since there is an urgency to protect their people. Regarding the Internet, we would still have it today but probably not as complex as it is now. I am not promoting that war is good but it does help technology move faster.
Dec 17, 2009 2:55 PM

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Maora said:


Hitler would not become an artist because he was good at buildings (architecture) and not people. WW1 would not change this fact or so called fact. Since WW1 never happened Hitler would have not participated in WW2 anyway. We would probably had to deal with the Solviet Union but probably at a smaller scale than what happened in WW2 and cold war.



You can't know if we would have had to deal with the Soviet Union due to the fact that a major reason the communists were able to take over Russia was the massive war debt that Russia went through during WWI. Also America didn't have to deal with the Soviet Union in WWII, they were one of our* biggest allies (perhaps the biggest) and the ones to actually storm the Reichstag. WWII was mostly won due to the economic backing of the americans and the military force of the Russians.

*Americans
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Dec 19, 2009 12:07 AM

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You can't know if we would have had to deal with the Soviet Union due to the fact that a major reason the communists were able to take over Russia was the massive war debt that Russia went through during WWI. Also America didn't have to deal with the Soviet Union in WWII, they were one of our* biggest allies (perhaps the biggest) and the ones to actually storm the Reichstag. WWII was mostly won due to the economic backing of the americans and the military force of the Russians.

*Americans


First, I understand your point but I said we would probably; I never said we would. Next, I have to say that even though communists were able to take over Russia with its massive war debt that does not mean that if there was no WWI they might not be in Russia. There were other factors that played in the role of Russia turning communist during those years. People wanted change and that was what Russia got. Also, we did have to deal with Russia in WWII while it might not have been physical fighting it was a disagreement with ideals. They worked together but not on the friendliest terms. Hence later there was a cold war. Now your last statement saying that WWII was won mostly because of Russian military force and the economic backing of the Americans did help but Germany mostly lost because of Hitler's mistakes during his campaign. ESPECIALLY Stalingrad. If Germany won there then Russia would be at the mercy of Germany. Then, Russia would have not been able to "help" the US. Also, we cannot forget that this was a two part front on the Americans. Russia did not help the Americans against Japan.
Dec 19, 2009 12:40 AM

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Probably not cause I'm pretty sure that the Army first invented internet but discareded it believing it was "pointless", so had WW1 and WW2 not happened the US might not have been #1 which means Our army might not have been playing around with things like this, though if you believe that these wars were good there was an actual movement on that called the "Futuristic Movement" that believed that war was necessary to advance technology... by following this ideal you could assume that the computer/internet were thanks to the wars... Though I think personally that war had a very indirect impact on the Internet. Also it just came to me though that WW2 is probably what brought anime into american cultures years later after allying with Japan.
Dec 19, 2009 5:13 AM

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Also it just came to me though that WW2 is probably what brought anime into american cultures years later after allying with Japan.


Modern anime didn't exist before WW2.
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Dec 19, 2009 6:19 AM

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Germany would become an economic and scientific superpower today, and not USA...since their fascist government should have been used for the good and resourceful purposes...not idealistic warfare and military

...and they shall flourish, thus no west and east Germany in the nation's history
Fascism imo shoud have been a very powerful form of government when not used for violence...but for trade and economic progress

Dec 19, 2009 4:26 PM

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Monad said:
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The US wouldn't have became the most powerful country in the world.

Stereotype - they aren't so powerful.
How do you measure being powerful? huh?


Well, they have enough nukes to destroy the world more than once.
The UK have enough to destroy the northern hemisphere.

That's why there'll be no world war 3; if one of them gets fired the world will basically get destroyed, because somebody else will probably fire one in retaliation...


If you have 1000 atomic bombs or a 100 doesn't make much difference since everything you need to destroy you can destroy it with a very small amount.


Now about Wars. First i want to say that the Cold war helped a little also.
Now when there is war countries go to what we call "war economy". This economy is basically the idea that we don't give a shit about anything else at this moment, like building streets, schools and staff and basically don't
bother much with internal affairs but instead we give all money to weapons and research for new weapon technology.
Now the ideas for new weapons and technological discoveries that might help are so crazy because the government will give money to any crazy idea that might help win the war, that some scientist are even able to research staff that don't really have much hope on really helping the war not to mention lot's of things get discover in the process of finding something else.
In time of piece a government can't waste huge sums of money even in technological advancements because it must give little money to everything to keep the quality of life and the piece economy running. But in war a government can screw the people and they will still be with her because everyone only cares on how to win the war. So all the money can go to advancements in weaponry and research and those advancements will later find there way in the more conventional life when the war ends.

From studying history i came to the conclusion that big wars seem to be a necessity for human civilization, as awful as that might sounds.
War is like a cleansing.It destroys everything so it can be built new and better in a way. It's like burning an old dying forest to allow nature to give it a new life. Long periods of piece and a certain way of life seem to bring corruption and decay.
We can only hope that we will find a way to live peacefully and still keep our selfs motivated and able to advance away from corruption.
I have a feeling that this way of life is hidden in space. If we reach the point of being able to use the unlimited resources of space we might find the answer.
You wrapped up any ideal I have ever had about war, and explained it perfectly. You sir, are awesome.
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Jan 18, 2010 11:27 PM

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~but, seriously, I believe in World War III before 2020. ^^ *salutes*


Nah. It'll take a World Economic Depression, plus a decade or two of post-collapse destabalization, followed by another rise in despotism among the world's strongest powers.

OR

Someone with a trigger finger on the nuke button.
I still believe in a global energy crisis striking the industrialized world at some point before 2020. I don't have any faith in humanity finding alternative energies before we experience the harshest effects of peak oil. Unstability leads to conflict. Plus, I'm not a firm believer in an immediate-nuclear war between countries, I believe conventional warfare will emerge for at least the first months of any future world conflict..
Jan 19, 2010 10:13 AM

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From studying history i came to the conclusion that big wars seem to be a necessity for human civilization, as awful as that might sounds.
War is like a cleansing.It destroys everything so it can be built new and better in a way. It's like burning an old dying forest to allow nature to give it a new life. Long periods of piece and a certain way of life seem to bring corruption and decay.
We can only hope that we will find a way to live peacefully and still keep our selfs motivated and able to advance away from corruption.
I have a feeling that this way of life is hidden in space. If we reach the point of being able to use the unlimited resources of space we might find the answer.
War itself isn't cleansing, though. It's the end result of those certain corruptions. And nowadays, if a world war started, then there wouldn't be any form of new life since the nukes would destroy the entire planet, like what, several times? So no, I don't think war is a necessity, but an inevitable consequence. I know that you included the word "seem", so it "seems" to me that inevitable consequence and necessity is still a relatively big difference.

And as for some people who seem to suggest rapid progress is a good thing, it isn't needed, however. Some people would die (either with lack of cure for a particular disease or whatever) with the absence of recent technologies, but plenty of people will continue to live on even without rapid progress. I might add it's precisely because of rapid progress that we're recently and will face a overpopulation crisis soon.

And wow, how did I miss this topic. Hmm, probably because I saw the word "if" in the topic sentence.
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