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Jul 18, 2015 9:22 AM

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Great episode! Damn, some trap mixed in, not completely sure which gender the MC is supposed to be lol.
Great drama and sadness this episode 😒 and I'm glad we got to see that guy fight, he had some moves. Damn.
 
Jul 18, 2015 9:42 AM

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Damn, that episode was really good. It shows real problems in the justice system, that should be fixed. I am soo happy how that kidnapper got his ass handed to him. I loved that episode A LOT.
 
Jul 18, 2015 1:13 PM

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hmm... so the shadow-man said he couldn't change into a girl, and yet he changed into the mother. That was the first weird thing about the plot. The kidnapper also only seemed to have been prosecuted because of kidnapping girls, but he even said himself that he murdered the girls who didn't want to become his daughters. Beside those flaws.. a pretty good episode.
 
Jul 18, 2015 1:14 PM

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hmm... so the shadow-man said he couldn't change into a girl, and yet he changed into the mother. That was the first weird thing about the plot. The kidnapper also only seemed to have been prosecuted because of kidnapping girls, but he even said himself that he murdered the girls who didn't want to become his daughters. Beside those flaws.. a pretty good episode.



i am always astonished by how the average anime viewer misses details like the difference between little girl and woman or stuff like itami in gate being an off-duty officer.

it's written quite clearly, so how come you still miss it?
 
Jul 18, 2015 1:56 PM

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A friendly reminder (to the people who confuse girl with women) that the shadow-man disguised himself as the nurse at the hospital where Sachiko was staying, in addition to the culprit's mother.

So he already disguised himself as 2 women, cant think of a studio that would make the same mistake 2 times.
That means he can changed into females, but not underage females.
 
Jul 18, 2015 3:17 PM

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A friendly reminder (to the people who confuse girl with women) that the shadow-man disguised himself as the nurse at the hospital where Sachiko was staying, in addition to the culprit's mother.

So he already disguised himself as 2 women, cant think of a studio that would make the same mistake 2 times.
That means he can changed into females, but not underage females.

whic is what he said in the anime, i'm pretty sure he said little girl, also considering context, even if he said only girl it still would have made sense, it would have been an error only if he said woman.
 
Jul 18, 2015 3:34 PM

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I really like the style of this show, the way they change the scene when explaining things n all, but the execution of the stories is poor, there's basically no mystery, and the characters are crap barring shadow-man. 1 or 2 episodes more, if it ain't improved I'm dropping.
 
Jul 18, 2015 5:29 PM
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This episode wasn't pretty mediocre though. Essentially as a mystery show this one fails hard.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
 
Jul 18, 2015 6:01 PM

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okay, I have long been defending this show, but now I'm getting confused and quite disapointed

the original Kogoro Akechi is supposed to be a genius detective solving cases with his brilliant deduction

here he is indeed presented as an elite investigator but...that it.

he does NOTHING. It's been 3 episodes now and he doesn't even move his little finger trying to solve anything

and for some reason he didn't want to get involved in this childnapping case

He doesn't even act as a mentor, Kobayashi is the one doing everything on his own

what the hell is wrong with him?? putting K-O the bad guy isn't enough for me at all, he should be INVESTIGATING SOMETHING for cryin out loud


It is implied that he is interested ONLY in very specific cases(possibly somehow connected to that skull mask stuff).

Its no different on how Sherlock could not care less for "more generic" cases in the current adaptation.


I highly doubt Holmes or the real Akechi would refuse to get involved in such a case and rather let innocent girls get kidnapped + let a psychopath get away with it

I though Akechi was cool and he was the main reason I have been watching this show. But he actually looks like a jackass who doesn't have any relevance to the plot
 
Jul 18, 2015 8:51 PM

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I highly doubt Holmes or the real Akechi would refuse to get involved in such a case and rather let innocent girls get kidnapped + let a psychopath get away with it

I though Akechi was cool and he was the main reason I have been watching this show. But he actually looks like a jackass who doesn't have any relevance to the plot


Just chill. There's high probability that Akechi will surprise us later with his ominous yet dark character, I don't know.

This series' just gotten its countermeasure for that first two episodes. I thought it was psychology-themed?
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Jul 18, 2015 9:40 PM
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Awesome episode. Too bad shadow-man ain't that smart. Can't he like carry a weapon and kill the fatso? Oh well, very enjoyable episode overall.
 
Jul 18, 2015 10:26 PM

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Definitely better than the first two episodes. I'm still cracking up from when Akechi asks if the new victims were being turned into desks now. ROFL
 
Jul 19, 2015 3:00 AM

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Awesome episode. Too bad shadow-man ain't that smart. Can't he like carry a weapon and kill the fatso? Oh well, very enjoyable episode overall.


yeah, a gigantic bisturi would work.
 
Jul 19, 2015 4:23 AM

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Sherlupin said:

I highly doubt Holmes or the real Akechi would refuse to get involved in such a case and rather let innocent girls get kidnapped + let a psychopath get away with it

I though Akechi was cool and he was the main reason I have been watching this show. But he actually looks like a jackass who doesn't have any relevance to the plot


current Holmes does not give a fuck about lives being lost. And this show clearly draws a lot of inspiration from that modernized version when modernizing Ranpo's characters
 
Jul 19, 2015 7:28 AM

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...I feel like we're gonna see the paper-bag man again sometime in the story

...episode was more surprising-case rather than mystery-case
 
Jul 19, 2015 10:09 AM

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this anime is weird as fuck, i like it though
 
Jul 19, 2015 10:35 AM
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current Holmes does not give a fuck about lives being lost. And this show clearly draws a lot of inspiration from that modernized version when modernizing Ranpo's characters


Not necessarily. Holmes has always had his own sense of justice. He let a blackmail victim get away with murder (refusing to help the police to catch her) and often said that he would only take cases of interest (a couple of times Watson was the one who forced Holmes to take action).

This has been accented over time, and in other detective series (in Dexter the hero is a serial killer who kills criminals who escape justice), so it isn't as if Sherlock itself is so revolutionary a re-interpretation. It just took current ideas and applied them to Sherlock Holmes.

But there is no doubt that Sherlock has had an impact in Japan. Noticed they have a manga of the TV show, so you could very well be right.
 
Jul 19, 2015 2:51 PM

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It's pretty clear now this show has a different take from the usual, I dare say it's "good" despite it being clearly melodramatic at times and unrealistic for a number of others reasons.

HOWEVER, it has a mix of things going on that really fit well together, strangely enough.
For example, the animation doesn't really match what the show would normally be, it deals with different aspects of society that for most would be "outrageous" or flat out "disgusting", subjects that people don't normally think about or expect. But what glues this together, is the humour, a very macabre humour. In all the episodes so far they have done many "jokes" or what you'd normally see as comedic situations, following the typical formula of any comedy but at the end putting a different spin, usually a cruel one. It seems like a black comedy but the show itself isn't about that, every scene seems like it wants to be taken seriously (those that count) yet at times end up being melodramatic (like this episode's). Yet everything fits perfectly since it's supposed to be the complete opposites living side by side.
The show seems to be something different and something cliché at the same time.

The characters seem to be... interesting to say the least. They seem to be vessels to represent something, a scenario, this episode alone serves to show two types of things that I'd rather not discuss here but they do seem to serve some sort of role.

It's a weird anime, I would say in my (arrogant) opinion that it's definitely interesting just for how they're handling it. I find the protagonists interesting in their own way (since they're not really self righteous white knights) as they partake in some gruesome cases and they just brush it off because it's "fun" for them. I'm interested in what they're going to do with it though, maybe it's just going to be compelte nonsense.

(Including a small example of what I'm talking about the humour)
Even when it came to one of the most cliché and over the top reactions with the teacher (the woman) in ep 2 after seeing the chair, they pulled off one of those reactions that are clichè in comedies where you have the character running around in for the shock or outright running out of the room screaming with their hands up, the show decided to step it up and instead of having her crash against the wall or run out of the room like a maniac, they had her jump out of the window consciously in a world where death exists and in a setting that is supposed to be somewhat realistic, unlike in the other comedies, where everything is played for laughs.
 
Jul 19, 2015 5:28 PM

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It's pretty clear now this show has a different take from the usual, I dare say it's "good" despite it being clearly melodramatic at times and unrealistic for a number of others reasons.

I'd argue that it is not 'being different' that hurts this show, it's conforming to anime stereotypes and the pandering attitude that pulls the show down into the mud of mediocracy.

For example, the animation doesn't really match what the show would normally be, it deals with different aspects of society that for most would be "outrageous" or flat out "disgusting", subjects that people don't normally think about or expect.

It would work if the show actually dealt with those "outrageous" and "disgusting" subjects that people keep harping on about. Instead the show simply brushes them, while being way more concerned with portraying cute and/or borderline erotic scenes with our protagonists.
Yes, people being turned into chairs or little girls being dismembered and put into walls is obviously horrifying, but we didn't get an insight into either culprits psyche or motivation. They were simply used as set-pieces for Kobayashi and company to act in front of.

this episode alone serves to show two types of things that I'd rather not discuss here but they do seem to serve some sort of role.

This is not meant to attack you, but rather criticize a general approach:
If you "don't dare to discuss something" it is simply not present in discussion and therefore holds no value. It might actually be that you see something there, but if you can't step up and actually write about it, how are you to prove that there is something in the first place...
If you dare not discuss it, don't mention it. It doesn't help make you or the show seem smart.
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Jul 19, 2015 10:49 PM

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Above average episode. Shadow-Man was an intriguing character, but he probably won't show up ever again.

GAH Please don't tell me that! I like Shadow-Man and I want to see more of him!

 
Jul 20, 2015 1:07 AM

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Jalleia said:
too long


yeah that, the problem is that they just don't know when the stop, like, imho i would have taken out the teacher's scene and the second dressing of kobayashi(but i guess that gives him character...? i dunno) take them out, and the show was quite great, then ep 3 came out, and it was... meh, it's just that it was too much clichè, and as much as shadowman is a likable character, he still falls into clichès, the show it's good, but it is not sure if it wants to be full of cliche or of black humor and psychology, it's like it's trying to appeal to both audiences.
 
Jul 20, 2015 2:28 AM

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God, this show is so messed up. Really, a meat grinder? Anyways, I admit, this show has some appeal about it, however, for a mystery-detective type show, it is very weak. No time to allow viewers to solve and wonder what is going to happen. Everything is presented and solved way too quickly. Its like taking a test with the cheat-sheet right next to you.
 
Jul 20, 2015 9:33 AM

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F*cking Shadow Man :'(
What man, I cried :'(

 
Jul 20, 2015 11:10 AM

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CookingPriest said:
current Holmes does not give a fuck about lives being lost. And this show clearly draws a lot of inspiration from that modernized version when modernizing Ranpo's characters


Not necessarily. Holmes has always had his own sense of justice. He let a blackmail victim get away with murder (refusing to help the police to catch her) and often said that he would only take cases of interest (a couple of times Watson was the one who forced Holmes to take action).

This has been accented over time, and in other detective series (in Dexter the hero is a serial killer who kills criminals who escape justice), so it isn't as if Sherlock itself is so revolutionary a re-interpretation. It just took current ideas and applied them to Sherlock Holmes.

But there is no doubt that Sherlock has had an impact in Japan. Noticed they have a manga of the TV show, so you could very well be right.


The be fair for whole decades we did NOT have those aspects highlighted at all. From 1980 till somewhere 2005-ish we had an era of "gentleman detectives".
We were living in the era of "gritty" righteous detectives, vietnam/iraq veterans solving crimes and being apaled by them and how srs bsns and dark everything is.
Even with Japan we have stuff like Detective Conan which plays into that moreso than into the psychological aspect of someone like that.
Hell even RDJ's Sherlock Holmes movies treated him more like comedian or simply "somewhat antisocial" instead of focusing on real things that A.C.Doyle wrote him as.

The first real break-through for "problematic" protagonists were The Shield and House MD followed by Dexter, etc, till the likes of BBC's Sherlock actually went back to the concept and went "hey, those geniuses who solve crimes were actually VERY fucked up people in the original works and not some washed out gentlemen and the world they lived in was not some omgsoreal thing but actually a disturbing as hell macabre insane setting")
 
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CookingPriest said:
The be fair for whole decades we did NOT have those aspects highlighted at all. From 1980 till somewhere 2005-ish we had an era of "gentleman detectives"....were actually VERY fucked up people in the original works and not some washed out gentlemen and the world they lived in was not some omgsoreal thing but actually disturbing as hell macabre insane setting


Thanks for the clip. Switching to a pure discussion. Have you ever seen or read the 1976 "Seven Percent Solution"? You might like it. Sherlock Holmes going up against his only superior in the art of detection: Sigmund Freud. Has an interesting take on Moriarty.
 
Jul 20, 2015 3:09 PM

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I really enjoyed this episode and I hope that fatso will be tortured for the rest of his life because death is very fast and a light sentence for him. The only thing I dislike in the show is the trap MC and I'm ignoring it as much as I can because the rest of the anime is really interesting and I've enjoyed it very much so far.


The skull in the end was interesting as well and I can't wait to see what happens.
 
Jul 20, 2015 5:04 PM

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Better episode this time. Sad story it was. Would've been a lot better and more satisfying if that fat idiot got shot instead. Scum just irritated me and deserved to die.


 
Jul 20, 2015 6:12 PM

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Even with Japan we have stuff like Detective Conan which plays into that moreso than into the psychological aspect of someone like that.

Please don't take Conan into this discussion without considering that it is a children/young adult oriented manga. Detective Conan is basically a modernized version of Edogawa Rampo's Shônen tanteidan, you know, the series that inspired 80% of the characters in this anime and was clearly aimed at younger readers.

Japan has a booming market for mystery and detective fiction, almost unbroken since the 1950s (it was practically banned under the obscenity-law in war-time Japan).
Sadly only 1 or 2 works have ever been translated, but Shimada Sôji's hobby investigator Mitarai, Ayatsuji Yukito's protagonists, Kyougoku Natsuhiko's Chûsenji Akihiko, Mori Hiroshi's detectives....they are all in it for the fascination of murder and psychology, less for any righteous reasons.

Please consider that Japanese literature also exists...
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Jul 20, 2015 10:51 PM

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it's getting better (well at least for me anyway)
 
Jul 21, 2015 1:33 AM
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It would seem that the pedo has a kind heart.

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We get to see his feminine side this time.
He is androgynous. Someone who has physical characteristics of both sexes.



Kobayashi must be a girl. This is a trap people.
 
Jul 21, 2015 9:53 AM

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Hopefully Shadow Man pops up again in future episodes because he seemed like a cool character. The murderer was way too messed up though, and what he did was brutal as hell. Kind of disappointed he wasn't just shot or something.
 
Jul 21, 2015 6:08 PM

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Oh my god such a great episode I love Shadowman. I feel so bad for him especially when he cried at the end disguised as a police officer. I do hope to see more of him.
 
Jul 22, 2015 4:06 AM

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This episode was actually pretty sad. I didnt exactly cry since not much was built up for that but I felt sorry for those girls. I like that double dynamic of two different sides to an obsession with young girls one being harmful and other side, the shadow man, being lovingly kind.
 
Jul 22, 2015 5:57 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

This goes back to the first episode: critics were complaining how inappropriate Kobayashi's actions were on waking up and finding the corpse; in the second episode the critics were complaining how inappropriate the autopsy scene was; now you are complaining that the music is inappropriate.

So either we should believe that the production company has no ability, or this isn't a defect, it is design.

And there are other examples, everything about Kobayashi is off: his emotions are off, the animation is off (I find it funny how many trap haters are obsessed with Kobayashi's ass), and the music (and visuals) associated with him are off. Do you really think that these are all mistakes?

In no way I was thinking the characterization of Kobayashi or the way they treat other story elements is not intentional, this has been pretty clear right from the start, or if you know the team well just look at the staff list and the poster you know this is pretty much what you'll get. What they have done so far like the introduction of Kobayashi, the neko sensei and the murders etc. are comprehensible if you think about the show as it's made for dumb teenagers. A very poor design and approach is what I meant, even though the production value is fine.

You DO realize that you are criticizing taste, right? Because you don't like this specific atmosphere it does not mean its for "pretentious teens".
 
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Traed > I love you, that's the kind of very interesting things I don't read very often here, this duality thing.

I like this, and, well the fact that Akechi obviously KNOWS that Kage-otoko is a good guy (and this is why he doesn't care about Koba being kidnapped, since it was with Kage, he trusts him) so no, he doesn't let a psycho because he let a pedophile on the loose no matter what, it's very heavily implied pretty much every time he talks about him, and he is just the only one in the police force not falling against him.

In fact this anime has quite a number of jabs directed to the police forces, I like it. The psychologist deciding that the lolicon isn't dangerous or the police spending more time after a ""good person"" just because he looks creepy to them rather than to search for informations (which would be possible; if Kage can know where the culprit is from, the police force also could, IF they tried) being prime examples and being incompetent/focused on the wrong people. That's quite funny.
 
Jul 23, 2015 3:49 PM

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does anybody notice ottoman tugra sign on 10:50 ?
 
Jul 23, 2015 5:47 PM
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if shadow man was the main character. I would've insta 10 it.
 
Jul 27, 2015 3:45 AM

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I don't understand people saying that Kobayashi was showing his feminine side in this episode. Each time I watch the show I keep forgetting that he's a guy. I can't see anything but his feminine side to be honest. This is also the first time they did anything with the fact that he looks like a girl.

With a theme like this you'd expect some kind of emotional reaction from the viewer. I found myself to be rather bored however. Also found the way that they showed Shadown Man to be rather bizarre and distracting.

As a whole I am still rather disappointed with the show. When I read the plot of the series I was really excited to see what they did with the show. I've been told that Edogawa Ranpo is a great writer. I haven't read any of his works yet though but either his works are not so good or this show is reallly bad when it comes to using his stories.

I'll try to continue watching the show in the hope it improves but I don't have really high hopes to be honest.
 
Jul 27, 2015 2:00 PM

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Well, this episode was decently interesting. Really upping the ante with dressing Kobayashi as a girl :P To be honest all of the characters are pretty annoying, though at least Shadow-Man was new. He seemed like an OK person ... though I thought he said he couldn't dress like a girl which was why he didn't bait Watanuki himself, but he seemed to be fine dressing as the nurse and Watanuki's mother ... I guess he was referring to the "little" girl part lol
Oh well, hope next episode is more interesting. There seems to be a mask involved ...? :O
 
Jul 27, 2015 8:02 PM

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LMFAO AT THAT LINE


I literally laughed out loud.

But seriously...
Not sure about this show yet... :/
 
Jul 30, 2015 12:47 PM

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And Kobayashi looks like a straight up girl. The only male characteristic he has is probably his private parts and we don't see that lol.


For me Kobayashi looks like character (boy) from Boku no Pico. Even in dress he not resemblance a girl to me.
 
Jul 30, 2015 1:42 PM

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God these characters are so annoying..
 
Jul 31, 2015 5:07 PM

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What a piece of shit. Hope they lock him away for good this time. Kobayashi is far too good of a trap. He may even be better than Hideyoshi.
 
Aug 2, 2015 3:16 PM

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This anime has literally no sense... I can't handle it anymore.
 
Aug 2, 2015 4:19 PM

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Kobayashi doesn't even bother to dress like a girl...

I felt really sad because Sachiko got killed.
 
Aug 4, 2015 3:14 AM

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That was sad. I didn't cry though. I didn't expect her to be dead because I was too focused on the story. Shadow-Man cheered Sachiko up when she was in her lowest and he even paid for the operation fee. This man might seem like a creep but like he said girls deserves happiness. Sachiko just recovered from an illness and death came back for her. Ugh......that fat bastard deserved more than a mere beating. He should die the same way he put those poor girls through!
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Aug 5, 2015 7:41 PM

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I can tell that the past will always not be pleasant.

I didn't mind Kobayashi having to dress like a girl (and I don't know why...)

That was an interesting episode and I am kind of surprised at myself that I am still enjoying this show.
 
Aug 14, 2015 10:32 AM

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This episode picked up the quality a great deal. I hope more like it will follow.
 
Aug 28, 2015 12:38 PM

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damn,Watanuki really let himself go...
This is what happens when you close yourself off inside weird shop for infinity
 
Sep 6, 2015 6:48 PM

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Shadow Man stole the show this episode and is by far my vafourite character in the series :3 He's creepy but he's, uh, not? xD
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