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Jul 14, 2015 7:54 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Watched it today at Fantasia movie festival. :)

The animation didn't disappoint, as expected of Production IG. The movie itself feels like a slice of life more than anything. I like the superstitious aspects they showed in the movie, even though it was odd to see supernatural stuffs in a realistic movie, I thought it blended very well with the narration. To be honest, the scene I like the most is the scene with the male prostitute (who turned out to be voiced by Irino Miyu). That part was hilarious. X)

I find that there is something lacking in the story to make me like it very much. But maybe because it is a rather historical movie, I think I mind the story aspect a lot less than I usually would.


The director Hara Keiichi was present at the screening (along with screenwriter,Maruo Miho, and the President of Production IG). And here is a few interesting things he said when answering the audience at the end of the movie:
- He wanted to be faithful to the manga in the way that the author, Sugiura Hinako, delivers the story. She does it implicitely rather than the with words (such as the scene when Nao "came" to see her father and Oei one last time.)
- The reason why he chose to use Rock music at the beginning and at the end of the movie is because he finds that Oei is a rock'n'roll girl. And he wanted to accentuate that.
- There is actually only about 10 paintings of Oei discovered. The very last one shown in the movie really exists. (By the way, that was a really sweet painting, my favorite shown in the movie).
- Not sure if if it is really related, but he answered one the of questions that he wanted the audience to live the Edo-period through Oei's life. I think that is related to why at the very end, we see the transformation of the Edo-period to the current Tokyo.

In the end, Colorful will remain my most liked movie from Hara Keiichi.
 
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Jul 16, 2015 7:49 PM
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The thing about the story is that it felt more like a compilation of shorts rather than one cohesive narrative. When the end came, i was like: "wait, it's over?"

Otherwise, it's an entertaining film. The character interaction was great. Some sad & touching moments too.
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Oct 24, 2015 4:52 PM

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People in the audience were whispering "is she dead" when those awkward pauses when the blind sister fell into the snow occurred.

I got so confused when it came to the cross dressing sleeping part.

The subplot of a father caring more for his work than his daughter was powerful.
 
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Jan 1, 2016 6:37 AM

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Was surprised (not expecting about his character) @ Miyu-Miyu's character. The whole reason I decided to watch the movie because of him... (Knew how he looks from the visual, but didn't expect his character's profession) Interesting guy, though.

As for the movie itself, the story was interesting. So sad about the little boy.
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Jan 10, 2016 1:18 AM
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I though historical anime movie told about Oei (Sugiura Hinako's daughter) and her family from Edo-period was so good, but I unknown why Oei's father, even though he couldn't cared for his youngest daughter more than he usually would.

Maybe Edo's japanese personality is Strict and Stubborn or Headstrong ?
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Jan 24, 2016 11:50 AM

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All those Onao moments were heartwrenching.

What to say? Great IG, great Hara. Whoever has seen Coo knows Hara has an affinity with dragons, but when they kept coming back to the surnatural I realised it meant more, like emphasing the importance it had during that era. But at the same time there's something very timeless about how it's done, like even if time changes man still struggle with things he cannot comprehend.

And that's what so good about this movie: how the coming of age story feels contemporary. Probably because it's three-folded: the coming of age as a person (facing death), as an artist, and as a woman. And yes that was more slice-of-lify than plot-driven, but Hara made it relatable, fluid, and beautiful and that alone is no small feat.
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Jan 25, 2016 4:22 PM

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Jan 27, 2016 11:45 AM

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I thought this was a wonderful movie. Very "Japanese"; if you watch enough Japanese movies, live action and animated, the seemingly "odd" presentation and how the plot is laid out is pretty common.

This movie was extremely well directed. I can see why it's been winning so many awards.
 
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Jan 30, 2016 8:31 PM

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Kichiya, damn lol. Could not stop laughing.

And the little boy playing with Onao was adorable. :D

@EratiK, agreed. The mix of imagery and realism (events of her life) were done very nicely. It had a sort of magic to it, despite the fact that it was just glimpses of her life. Loved the imagery and her personality.

Fortress_Maximus said:
I got so confused when it came to the cross dressing sleeping part.


Edit: Refer to explanation below.
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Jan 30, 2016 9:37 PM

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Mirorin said:
She wanted to lose her maidenhood after realizing that her crush had a woman, I believe. (Like drowning oneself in alcohol when depressed?) He fell asleep before anything really happened though, oh dear. XD
No the crush with another woman scene actually happens after her visit to the brothel. She goes there because everybody says her erotic paintings lack sex-appeal. Manji says something similar earlier in the movie as he doesn't understand why Tetsuzo even let her paint these since she isn't married (and is still a virgin).

Maybe Fortress was confused by the appearance of the prostitute?
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Jan 30, 2016 10:21 PM

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@EratiK, they were walking together under the umbrella and she noticed a scent on him, though? I thought she realized at that point that he had another woman (or was visiting a prostitute). She then made a comment about him, and also mentioned Zen and her father regarding women (prostitutes). Maybe she was comparing her inexperience to her suspicions.

The theatre scene seemed more like confirmation that the guy's interests did not lie in her.

Oh yes, that's likely. It slipped my mind that most people don't know about male prostitutes/homosexuality and such in ancient Asia.
 
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Mirorin said:
@EratiK, they were walking together under the umbrella and she noticed a scent on him, though? I thought she realized at that point that he had another woman (or was visiting a prostitute). She then made a comment about him, and also mentioned Zen and her father regarding women (prostitutes). Maybe she was comparing her inexperience to her suspicions.
I'm sorry but I think you completely misunderstood the scene. It goes like this:



So we have her pride hurt by Manji in the scene just before, then by Hatsugorou, plus desire = solve two birds with one stone, go to the brothel. No other woman is involved until the festival scene later. She had no reason to think he wasn't interested into her as he touched the ink stain on her face, and her shoulder under the umbrella.
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Ah, thank you!!

I did think that what I interpreted was likely pretty wrong, because it didn't make much sense when she dressed up eagerly to meet him afterwards.
It didn't cross my mind at all that the hair oil was referring to him and not a woman, gj brain. :L

Makes me wonder how the relationship with Kuninao went afterwards, though I doubt she took a interest in him.
 
Jan 31, 2016 7:06 AM

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Pretty good movie, the leitmotifs and metaphors were on point and it was an overall well-paced, SoL-heavy coming of age story with beautiful art. My only two problems are the OST - who is just WAY too modern at times and really detracts from the atmosphere in key moments - and the explicit final narration scene (after Onao's picture) that softens the impact of the ending a bit.

But still, 8/10.
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Feb 5, 2016 10:21 PM
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the male prostitute was very interested in women that was great .. ohei left in the morning so did she did it ....! I don't know but I love this beautiful story :3
 
Feb 5, 2016 11:12 PM
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i love it... its a brilliant masterpiece I will rewatch it again and again until I die ,.... I love ohei she is so powerful and the story is beautiful and colourful . it feels like they are telling your story I relate very much to ohei chan I love her . its been a long time since I admired a strong powerful beautiful free minded full of adventure woman lead character and she is the best of all. this a beautiful masterpiece of art that moves I love it so much I will watch it a million times :3 you have to really watch it to understand the meaning and I did its the best movie in a while :3
 
Feb 27, 2016 2:33 PM

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Good slice of life biography with loosely connected scenes and with some very touching and subtle moments, sometimes almost poetic. The narrative is somewhat different, very "japanese", so some people might not like it that much. The eccentric father and other characters were fun and amusing. The main girl Oei got an interesting personality. The anime presented us some complex subjects such as the fact that the father cared more about work than his daughter for example. My favorite scene was the one in the snow, where a boy realizes she cant see him, and launches snowballs into the trees, so the blind girl Onao can experience the hearing and feeling of the snow. It was wonderful. The soundtrack was quite beautiful most of the time, only 2 times there was a little too modern music for my taste and it didnt compromise the actual scene imho. The visuals were great. I recommend this movie.
 
Apr 27, 2016 1:43 PM

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Let me just preface this by saying I adore slice of life shows. This, however, was rather boring.
 
Jun 1, 2016 7:17 PM

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Great art and narration. The OST felt a little out of place sometimes but overall a pretty good movie. Onao was a adorable.
 
Oct 20, 2016 10:46 AM
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Overall i like it very much. I will be short. It's a slice of life about daughter , who's living in a shadow of famous father. The way they showing the moments from her life is touching, it gives perfect sensation of what she felt and what he searched in life. Authors did a great job!
 
Jan 12, 2017 6:58 PM

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o_o Wasn't expecting it to be that much of a SoL movie. Honestly, it ruined my expectations a bit, but I still enjoyed it.
 
Jun 5, 2017 8:30 PM

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so this sucked. awful soundtrack, made my ears bleed


 
Jul 21, 2017 9:19 PM

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While not a bombastic film that kept me on the edge of my seat, I really did enjoy this one actually. I really liked how "subtle" it was, and a learned something about a famous historical painter, that's pretty cool.
 
Nov 3, 2017 4:26 PM

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A bit of a different movie than I first expected, but still pretty good if you ask me! Quite liked the setting in general.
 
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Rewatched it again today. So bob haircuts were even outdated back then?
 
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Oh wait, this was based on actual people? Huh...wasn't aware. I guess that gives it bonus points. Generally speaking though I think I have to be a bit unfair with this film because...I didn't really like it very much, and I don't think it's really the movies fault so much as it is mine. The setting was fine, the random scenes revolving around the paintings coming to life were fine and looked very nice at times. None of that bugged me, rather the emotional core of the film just left me moreso angry than depressed or moved. And I'm pretty sure I feel that way because I literally just yesterday watched another, better film that had a young girl die in it which was bad enough once. Just my luck that I'd pick two films in a row that would go that route. If I had watched this first, or some months later I probably would have been touched. And I mean it definitely was sad, Onao's fate. Doubly so with her repeated insistence that she'd go to hell. That was sad as fuck! And Oei looking up at the stars insisting Onao wouldn't end up there after drawing that beautiful picture of her was definitely moving. Just not enough to switch my overall feeling from pissed off to emotionally sad and moved. And Onao dying felt so obvious that I oh so wanted that reversal of expectations that didn't happen. Which as I just said probably wouldn't have been the case had I not watched this so soon after that other film, which isn't this film's fault. At the same time I can't deny my feelings and I gotta stick with them...so I can only give this a 7 out of 10. I'll just say to finish that the scene of Oei reminiscing while Onao played in the snow was definitely the best in the film, to me at least. Please, please let the next film I watch be more uplifting!
 
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This movie was quite the specticle. I had very little knowledge going in other the a suggestion from someone I work with.

The movie is quite beautiful and consistent. Lets get that out of the way. The fluidity and historical implementation was a sight to behold and period pieces that go all in are it for me. I'd also say the few times (I wish there were more) of the animated painted inserts were so good, the hell scene particularly made me shudder in fear.

But there's a lot going on it this story. And it's pretty jumbled to say the least. Oei is a great lead, she's a bold character and a subtle women whose feelings and actions are quite pillar in this movie. The problem is that this movie has no direction to speak of. I guess you'd say they're small snippets of clips that are sewn together over this period of Oei life. From the life of her blind sister to the small details in her career and a infatuation with a man under her fathers skills these are the big chunks of the movie and I'd say looking into her actual paintings after I had watched this film was really fun and interesting to view.

I feel like this film wants to have a lot of things to say and have a lot of assets but doesn't weave them coherently. Certain characters could've been cut, certain scenes could've been more emotionally stacked. And as I have applauded the look of the movie, I feel like pushing the envelope a bit with more stylized work, to really capture the painterly feel would've done more, even with the story being directionless as it was.

I'd also say a big nitpick to me was the use of rock and guitar rifts in the ost for a period piece movie??? I have no idea what to say other then it kind of took me out of the movie from the get go and at the end too. There was one scene when her father fixed the hell scape painting and the use of violins was good for the climax but also weirdly out of place as well.

Overall it was a good time. More biographies of this nature in film fascinates me. I just want more risk to be involved. Especially since the Japanese will enjoy these types of movies either way.
 
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Beautiful story overall though it was unexpected to see it ends in such abrupt way. I would agree with what others said about the OST, old school rock music sounds odd in a context of a movie setting, to say the least. Also one of the moments I didn't quite understand initially is the death of a blind child, probably because there are little clues about her illness, except she often asked her sister about the afterlife, which was kind of disturbing of course. Only when it was the last day before the death it was clear to me. Also how her death was accepted, like it's something you deal with everyday. But considering the setting of ancient Japan I think it was really common at that time. Nice movie overall, glad I watched it.
 
Oct 3, 2018 4:24 PM

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Hokusai was a real shitty father, he didn't even cry when Onao died. What can I say even when she was alive she hardly saw her, but only once in the story. That art portrait by Oei for Onao was really beautiful.

Such a heartbreaking story and a slice of life that is very good. Hokusai wanted to live to 100 what a greedy bastard, living to 90 was an already blessing for him.

7/10.
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