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Jul 13, 2015 5:51 AM

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OMG after maya told tatsuya and miyuki that they are really not siblings, she also told them that tatsuya will be marrying miyuki!!!! although i am still not sure if they really not siblings since tatsuya kept saying that they are siblings and maya is just lying...

can some who reads japanese read this for me!!

http://i.imgur.com/MzM3hfn.jpg


according to maya that miyuki and tatsuya are actually cousins....... also confirmed that miyuki has incest feeings for tatsuya!!!

GG tatsuyaxmayumi...
 
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Jul 13, 2015 6:14 AM

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This volume has already been translated? I better pick up the pace of my reading then I guess...

That image shows the yotsuba family tree (四葉家系図 yotsuba kakeizu)
At the bottom left it also lists the names of tatsuya and miyuki, both with the same parents. Shiba Tatsurou and Yotsuba Miya.
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Jul 13, 2015 6:22 AM

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Tats and Miyuki are cousins because


About that part where Miyuki has incestous feelings for Tatsuya, i think that was established long before volume 16. XD




Thanks to sandyboi. :)

Also

Volume 17 Summary

The result of this 2 days conference would determine the new 10MC once again.
- Right at that moment, a mysterious explosion rocked the venue.
It was a suicide bombs triggered by magicians. Furthermore, it caused a numerous casualties to unrelated guests.
The mastermind of this sneak attack was the 'sage(s)'

The anti-magician movements intensified, triggered by this terror,
USNA strongest troop of magicians started to move once more.
Major Benjamin Canopus. First commander of USNA military magician troops,
the number 2 person in Stars, who helps Angelina Sirius as the General Commander.
Canopus participation,
set a greater scheme in move...!!

Also from sandyboi :)
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Aug 3, 2015 10:52 PM
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testamentKAISER said:
Tats and Miyuki are cousins because


About that part where Miyuki has incestous feelings for Tatsuya, i think that was established long before volume 16. XD




Thanks to sandyboi. :)

Also

Volume 17 Summary

The result of this 2 days conference would determine the new 10MC once again.
- Right at that moment, a mysterious explosion rocked the venue.
It was a suicide bombs triggered by magicians. Furthermore, it caused a numerous casualties to unrelated guests.
The mastermind of this sneak attack was the 'sage(s)'

The anti-magician movements intensified, triggered by this terror,
USNA strongest troop of magicians started to move once more.
Major Benjamin Canopus. First commander of USNA military magician troops,
the number 2 person in Stars, who helps Angelina Sirius as the General Commander.
Canopus participation,
set a greater scheme in move...!!

Also from sandyboi :)

Thanks for this was intrested in the bedroom scene seems the author going for the incest route! Which is fine...Wonder how things gonna play out with everyone else.
 
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swordman009 said:
testamentKAISER said:
Tats and Miyuki are cousins because


About that part where Miyuki has incestous feelings for Tatsuya, i think that was established long before volume 16. XD




Thanks to sandyboi. :)

Also

Volume 17 Summary

The result of this 2 days conference would determine the new 10MC once again.
- Right at that moment, a mysterious explosion rocked the venue.
It was a suicide bombs triggered by magicians. Furthermore, it caused a numerous casualties to unrelated guests.
The mastermind of this sneak attack was the 'sage(s)'

The anti-magician movements intensified, triggered by this terror,
USNA strongest troop of magicians started to move once more.
Major Benjamin Canopus. First commander of USNA military magician troops,
the number 2 person in Stars, who helps Angelina Sirius as the General Commander.
Canopus participation,
set a greater scheme in move...!!

Also from sandyboi :)

Thanks for this was intrested in the bedroom scene seems the author going for the incest route! Which is fine...Wonder how things gonna play out with everyone else.


I was hoping for Tatsuya marrying/ending up with Erika or Mayumi, but what can i do? :)

Also poor Honoka and Lina....
 
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Sep 5, 2015 11:27 AM

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Lol'ed at the family branches tried to stop them to go to New Year's Party at Yotsuba main house xD

It still not fully translated, I only read when they arrived at the main house though.
 
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Oct 4, 2015 9:51 PM

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Man, I guess I have mixed feelings about these turns of events. I feel happy for Miyuki to finally open her heart and have a taste of what she always wanted, but... I guess I do not like they getting married. Nevermind the incest thing (I don't really care about it), I just don't feel like that would be the most fun path.

I say that fully aware of how I always liked Mayumi the most and shipped her with Tatsuya tons, so that's why I can't decide on what to really feel.
 
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Ishikami said:
Man, I guess I have mixed feelings about these turns of events. I feel happy for Miyuki to finally open her heart and have a taste of what she always wanted, but... I guess I do not like they getting married. Nevermind the incest thing (I don't really care about it), I just don't feel like that would be the most fun path.

I say that fully aware of how I always liked Mayumi the most and shipped her with Tatsuya tons, so that's why I can't decide on what to really feel.


after reading what the Yotasuba did to tats (before he was even born) and the reason behind Miyuki being "made" I am all for them to be together.

My question is the one Clan that's against the marriage..... (Paraphrase Blade)
"they obviously don't know who they are f***ing with"
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Oct 15, 2015 1:20 PM

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Its still confirmed that Tatsuya still see's Miyuki as his sister and this arranged marriage is just a way to permanently bind Tatsuya to clan. Plus Tatsuya is essentially being forced into this, he doesn't trust Maya and believes she has other things planned and the only reason he's complying with this is for Miyuki's feelings. If you ask me this plan of Maya's will crash and burn.

Also for Tatsuya to truly be able to fall in love with someone, he needs to regain the emotions that he lost or otherwise a true romantic relationship is impossible for him.

The Mayumi ship(or any other ship for that matter) has not sunken yet.
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Nov 24, 2015 12:02 PM

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Ugh, this novel really hit bottom with a very loud thud. I was trying to overlook the incest subplot as a common otaku pandering (even new Utawarerumono fell victim to it) but it's just disgusting. To make things worse, Miyuki is a horrible and bland character. I was hoping the author will do something with her to make it more bearable or maybe even show her growing out of that sick obsession with Tatsuya but this was ridiculous. I don't really feel like reading any more, it will probably only get worse.
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still rooting for mayumi
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Sep 17, 2017 5:50 AM

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Some revelation in this volume. Some branch family members wanted to kill Tatsuya when he was born because they feared him.

That 'revelation' from Maya about Tatsuya being her son shocked me for quite a bit since it makes him and Miyuki cousins but it was a lie since biologically they are siblings. I was surprised the she considers Tatsuya as a son, at least 'spiritually'.

Seems like the Ichijou disagree with Tatsuya's and Miyuki's engagement.

 
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Antanaru said:
Ugh, this novel really hit bottom with a very loud thud. I was trying to overlook the incest subplot as a common otaku pandering (even new Utawarerumono fell victim to it) but it's just disgusting. To make things worse, Miyuki is a horrible and bland character. I was hoping the author will do something with her to make it more bearable or maybe even show her growing out of that sick obsession with Tatsuya but this was ridiculous. I don't really feel like reading any more, it will probably only get worse.


If You think about it carefully incest was made disgusting and is frowned upon is just because children from such relationships have a really high probability to have disabilities. But if you can proof that their children won't be disabeled because of it. I don't see any problem at all.

Currently Tatsuya isn't even able to feel romantic love. And I think before any Love-Making will be done he will regain his emotions maybe because of love? or mabe miyukis death? For me it seems like Miyuki is also the key to Tatsuyas emotions.
 
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