| But in what world? Let's say, Kimi no Na wa is good but there are better tvseries than that and it relies waaaaay more on telling than showing to stand the ghibli comparison reviewers write about. That's despite the number of animes. And like I said it's not like we *need* one masterpiece after the other, it doesn't mean things got better, but the lack of mature stuff in the league of mushishi/sweetness&lightning (just thinking of recent ones since I remember the last mushi thing if from 2015 but I could be wrong)/etc hurts on the long run. |
FondenteSep 17, 2016 3:59 PM
| I haven't said that ;l nowadays movies can, but the comparison to ghibli movies you find in Your Name reviews doesn't really stand that much because there's a lot of telling and much less showing compared to any ghibli thing. Nearly everything is told so that you don't need to think or rather feel things by yourself. It's not an opinion, it's there. It's not me or anyone else having a problem with perceptions and by extention opinions, you just have to look at the actual animes. And Your Name is a good movie too. WEIRD HUH |
FondenteSep 17, 2016 4:11 PM
| Both. Or, that is to say, why not both? |
Only the latter has produced some titles of worth. Former two, by their nature, produce more objectification thus exemplifying the definition of "bad" to anyone with half a brain. And I fail to see how it "limits the number of great shows per seasons." I can understand that each studio can only produce a specific amount of shows per season, however advancements in technology have overall increased their output. With just a basic understanding of percentages, assuming the % of anime per season that are of quality remains consistent, we would effectively see an increase in the number of good shows per season over time. More bad shows will limit the actual amount of good shows? Quite frankly, I don't see your point. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: obviously visually, other than that, i like the moe blob increase, i don't feel harems or ecchi have "increased" so i can't add them as well >Visually Yes it's obvious coz technology develops , so the graphics , so the visual effects :> that solely doesn't imply that animu r getting better. Visual effects r sth that necessarily should get better no matter wut. Animu getting better, means the whole story +sound effects + visual effects+ enough amount of genre related extras like fan-service, harem or comedy or ecchi n wtv . Out of every seasonal animu list , I find just 2-3 animu with an okayish story XD. |
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Allenekoo said: EcchiLordMamster said: obviously visually, other than that, i like the moe blob increase, i don't feel harems or ecchi have "increased" so i can't add them as well >Visually Yes it's obvious coz technology develops , so the graphics , so the visual effects :> that solely doesn't imply that animu r getting better. Visual effects r sth that necessarily should get better no matter wut. Animu getting better, means the whole story +sound effects + visual effects+ enough amount of genre related extras like fan-service, harem or comedy or ecchi n wtv . Out of every seasonal animu list , I find just 2-3 animu with an okayish story XD. i don't care about story, or at least its just a bonus to me, a lack of good story is not a turn off. and obviously as everything is being done, or been done, the best creators can do is either be a genius, or just rehash, as most do |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Allenekoo said: >Visually Yes it's obvious coz technology develops , so the graphics , so the visual effects :> that solely doesn't imply that animu r getting better. Visual effects r sth that necessarily should get better no matter wut. Animu getting better, means the whole story +sound effects + visual effects+ enough amount of genre related extras like fan-service, harem or comedy or ecchi n wtv . Out of every seasonal animu list , I find just 2-3 animu with an okayish story XD. i don't care about story, or at least its just a bonus to me, a lack of good story is not a turn off. and obviously as everything is being done, or been done, the best creators can do is either be a genius, or just rehash, as most do Hahaha, u said u hate when ppl say animu r getting worse, but many watch animu for the story and if there is no story how can ppl say animu r getting better XDD And meanwhile Kimi no Na wa has taken #1 on MAL, coz it has got everything along with a story. Just imagine how desperately ppl waited for an animu with a good story n visual effects. That Kimi no Na wa has got all the 10s . Story is important! |
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| Neither, its just anime is changing its overall tone and feel over the years. |
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CherryLover said: Former two, by their nature, produce more objectification thus exemplifying the definition of "bad" to anyone with half a brain. "I could make a well thought out point, but I'll just say anyone who doesn't thing X is just a big dumb poopy face." More bad shows will limit the actual amount of good shows? Yes, that is the notion that I have just refuted. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| I say it's kind of getting worse and check out this article: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-01-13/.97503 |
Darekmhn1 said: CherryLover said: Only the latter has produced some titles of worth. Former two, by their nature, produce more objectification thus exemplifying the definition of "bad" to anyone with half a brain. More bad shows will limit the actual amount of good shows? Quite frankly, I don't see your point. What are you talking about? objectification is amazing, now get back to your kitchen, fam edit: jesus I just checked your profile and you're from the UK, why am I not surprised? Oh and you cannot argue with me I am a immigrant therefore I am oppressed and arguing with me would be xenophobic Yet you are the one creating a stereotype about my beliefs simply because I am from the UK, while also making light of feminist issues? Disgusting. Psyotic said: CherryLover said: Former two, by their nature, produce more objectification thus exemplifying the definition of "bad" to anyone with half a brain. "I could make a well thought out point, but I'll just say anyone who doesn't thing X is just a big dumb poopy face." More bad shows will limit the actual amount of good shows? Yes, that is the notion that I have just refuted. It's obvious at this point you are attempting to goad a reaction out of me, to which I say you will not get one. |
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CherryLover said: It's obvious at this point you are attempting to goad a reaction out of me, to which I say you will not get one. No, I'm trying to get you to make an actual valid point for me to shred, rather than you simply making claims with no substance to back them. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
Fausthus said: EcchiLordMamster said: i don't care about story, or at least its just a bonus to me, a lack of good story is not a turn off. and obviously as everything is being done, or been done, the best creators can do is either be a genius, or just rehash, as most do How could story not be important ? The whole purpose of a visual medium is to tell a fucking story. That's why manga was created. Movies. Theater. Anime. I'm feeling this's the reason we (anime fans) disagree so much about this matter. Some care about the story, plot, etc and some simply doesn't. Maybe most animes story suck nowadays because few people watch it because of this, so most producers doesn't care much about it anymore. Not necessarily bad, since anime's a product and it should do what's been demanded or else the market dies and even good shows would cease being produced. Time passes, things changes, I get it, going against that would be suicide. I'm just hoping that "masterpieces" on this medium won't be a extinct species in the future. Getting to see at least one or two good stories every year's better then none, so I'll be glad the next time one shows up xD More like most of the stories people make are fucking shit in any medium. The priority of every show is different. For example you wouldn't watch redline and give it a 5/10 because the story and characters suck but the visually it's amazing because the purpose of that movie is to an awesome animation spectacle. At the same time you wouldn't give say mushishi a lower score because it hasn't got an overarching plotline. Just as someone can appreciate great storylines and characters in a deep way, you can also have a very deep appreciation of animation. Anime tell their stories through their visuals thus when the animation, direction, digitals effects look good and portray what they are meant to within the story, it's makes a show better and that is a quality of the show in it's self. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I don't remember much about redline but Iirc it's a bunch of pilots doing a race and some side thing happens. It's not "5/10", it's enough story to have the race action happen. It's the backbone f everything otherwise you have no anime, it could be "cat goes from A to B and sees things" but a lot of anime find ways to waste your time in some way or another. Think dragonball's "rararaaa,next time". |
Allenekoo said: Hahaha, u said u hate when ppl say animu r getting worse, but many watch animu for the story and if there is no story how can ppl say animu r getting better XDD And meanwhile Kimi no Na wa has taken #1 on MAL, coz it has got everything along with a story. Just imagine how desperately ppl waited for an animu with a good story n visual effects. That Kimi no Na wa has got all the 10s . Story is important! i don't NEED it, good story =/= more entertaining Fausthus said: How could story not be important ? The whole purpose of a visual medium book is to tell a fucking story. FTFY if that were the case, there wouldn't be visual media with no story and obvious yes, a lack of "good story" has never stopped people from watching anything. which is why movies like batman vs super man and transformers make alot more money than oscar worthy films |
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Nothing is truly original though, everything builds upon what came before it. I'm reading the mill on the floss for english atm and it's pretty good but hilarious how the main character is a girl who loves her onii-chan. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I'm kinda offended how you called slice of life anime that you consider moe shyt... |
| @kamisama751 Nah son, we're just not pretentious assholes who think we're smarter than others for what we do and dont watch :D |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Allenekoo said: Hahaha, u said u hate when ppl say animu r getting worse, but many watch animu for the story and if there is no story how can ppl say animu r getting better XDD And meanwhile Kimi no Na wa has taken #1 on MAL, coz it has got everything along with a story. Just imagine how desperately ppl waited for an animu with a good story n visual effects. That Kimi no Na wa has got all the 10s . Story is important! i don't NEED it, good story =/= more entertaining FTFY <if that were the case, there wouldn't be visual media with no story and obvious yes, a lack of "good story" has never stopped people from watching anything. which is why movies like batman vs super man and transformers make alot more money than oscar worthy films> lol m8 , dont bring up hollywood in here , its gone beyond hopeless already :> I know not just good story is enough to entertain all its audience, Now a days , fan-service is an essential element for the animu. But the base foundation of the animu is the story which should b strong. if its just for the fan-service then ppl can watch hentai or any "only ecchi" animu. And your signature toally suits you btw :3 |
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| Neither... I don't see a problem with anime today The old ones are great, but so are the new ones I think both old and new have plenty of throw outs, but they still have their good ones (new having Re:Zero, old having Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc.). |
Allenekoo said: EcchiLordMamster said: i don't NEED it, good story =/= more entertaining FTFY <if that were the case, there wouldn't be visual media with no story and obvious yes, a lack of "good story" has never stopped people from watching anything. which is why movies like batman vs super man and transformers make alot more money than oscar worthy films> lol m8 , dont bring up hollywood in here , its gone beyond hopeless already :> I know not just good story is enough to entertain all its audience, Now a days , fan-service is an essential element for the animu. But the base foundation of the animu is the story which should b strong. if its just for the fan-service then ppl can watch hentai or any "only ecchi" animu. And your signature toally suits you btw :3 Hollywood has ALWAYS been like that and anime has always relied on fanservice, it's not a "nowadays" thing Fuck hentai and no, ecchi is fine in w/e anime they want to put it in. Just cause an anime doesn't focus on romance for example, doesn't mean there shouldn't be lots of romance in it. Same w ecchi I'm not going to dodge a 1 liter bottle just because a 2 liter exists... That it does ;) @kamisama751 Lmao you fell for it too son, you fell for it too... you elitists will never win, our moeshit and ecchi garbage will forever beat out your 2deep4u anime :D |
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| Anime originals are getting trashier every year. |
| @kamisama751 Lol sorry bruh but the greatest parts of anime ever are moe harem and ecchi |
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Fausthus said: black1blade said: Nothing is truly original though, everything builds upon what came before it. I'm reading the mill on the floss for english atm and it's pretty good but hilarious how the main character is a girl who loves her onii-chan. Well, that's right, I admit it, nothing's truly original. But compare Mononoke with SAO. There's nothing quite like the first one, though the second's generic and everything it does was done before, even better in some (a lot of) cases. Then why did it gain so much popularity instead of its (better in any thinkable way) counterparts ? Think of a medicine. There're generic ones and brand-name ones. The exact same thing happens anywhere with any product, anime included. So, which's the better one ? That's what I'm trying to get through. You can't have something 100% original, everyone builds their ideias around previous ones but you can be more or less original. It doesn't really matter what is popular though. You can easily compare 1 bad, popular old show and a good more niche new one. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Every work ever is in debt with what came before. Cowboy bebop owes lupin while neon genesis evangelion owes dozens of mecha animes. Even with trite you can execute things with rigidity, maturity and clear of otaku things to get something very good. And yea you need a story. Nihei is the guy behind Blame and Sidonia and they are failures but as far as art style goes the guy is unique in the manga world. Pretty much the only guy I'd pay for vistas but that's about it. On the topic of ecchi, kink etc, they suck in most animes but it doesn't mean they can't serve the narrative. Monogataris are openly about sexuality and without considering a few missteps they are very fun. Ecchi shows can be good comedies if the kink adds something deeper to the characters etc for "sweeter" tits to enjoy but you don't simply see this around. Idk kill la kill had something like that going on but after 5 episodes it kind of wrecks. And there's no anime meant to be 2deep4u, not even neon genesis evangelion, and no elitist to fight with. |
FondenteSep 18, 2016 7:02 PM
| Anime isn't "dying" or getting any worse. Times change, and what people like and want change. As an example of this, in the 70s giant robot shows were the hit thing, people loved them, now looking at today we can see they aren't nearly as popular now. You may argue that what people like now is shit, and that may be true, but it would be better for everyone to just let them be. I don't like newer shows as much, but I don't go and make shitty threads like this. People who make fun of those who prefer older shows are nothing but an elitist, and that is the truth. |
| There were many many many mecha shows airing in the past year;0 |
Fausthus said: black1blade said: Nothing is truly original though, everything builds upon what came before it. I'm reading the mill on the floss for english atm and it's pretty good but hilarious how the main character is a girl who loves her onii-chan. Well, that's right, I admit it, nothing's truly original. But compare Mononoke with SAO. There's nothing quite like the first one, though the second's generic and everything it does was done before, even better in some (a lot of) cases. Then why did it gain so much popularity instead of its (better in any thinkable way) counterparts ? Think of a medicine. There're generic ones and brand-name ones. The exact same thing happens anywhere with any product, anime included. So, which's the better one ? That's what I'm trying to get through. You can't have something 100% original, everyone builds their ideias around previous ones but you can be more or less original. Well, there wasn't that many anime like sao when it first aired back in 2012, only hack is similar to it. Sao is far from generic when it comes to its world overall. That's one of the reason why it became so popular. It was fresh to many anime viewers. |
Nikkun-Sensei said: Like everything that has been around for a long period of time, preferences and target demographics change. Someone that grew up in the 70's would say modern music sucks where are people from the 90's and 2000's will say otherwise. If anything i would say the larger variety of animes being produced just means that more people have started watching, thus the range of genres, or specific types of genres being produced will change with what the majority enjoys. The only people really saying "Anime is dying" are the people that cant get over the fact that tastes change and end up being critical ass holes in the end. I kind of argued with one guy before that this is somewhat of a self serving argument, there isn't a problem with perceptions or tastes and thus opinions as if there is a problem in someone's mind, instead you can just look at the very animes, which quality and variety doesn't increase because of the amount of releases per season. |
| Anime was never good to begin with. The people who say the "80s was the golden era" are just coked out. It's still the same garbage since then ´_ゝ` |
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| Worse. At this point it's kind of like "you've seen one, you've seen them all". |
| I know other people have said this, but every season there are good and bad anime. It's always because the anime is rushed/bad phasing in general, bad story, bad animation/art, way too much fan-service, or there's a mix of genres you don't like airing this season. That said though, if you find something with a genre you like and all the standards check off, then it would be considered as a good anime for you. It ALWAYS depends on the kind of person you are, what you like to watch, etc. |
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Hachiko75 said: Worse. At this point it's kind of like "you've seen one, you've seen them all". Right? So many evangelion rip offs. |
EcchiLordMamster said: Allenekoo said: lol m8 , dont bring up hollywood in here , its gone beyond hopeless already :> I know not just good story is enough to entertain all its audience, Now a days , fan-service is an essential element for the animu. But the base foundation of the animu is the story which should b strong. if its just for the fan-service then ppl can watch hentai or any "only ecchi" animu. And your signature toally suits you btw :3 Hollywood has ALWAYS been like that and anime has always relied on fanservice, it's not a "nowadays" thing Fuck hentai and no, ecchi is fine in w/e anime they want to put it in. Just cause an anime doesn't focus on romance for example, doesn't mean there shouldn't be lots of romance in it. Same w ecchi I'm not going to dodge a 1 liter bottle just because a 2 liter exists... That it does ;) @kamisama751 Lmao you fell for it too son, you fell for it too... you elitists will never win, our moeshit and ecchi garbage will forever beat out your 2deep4u anime :D earlier it was like either no fan-service or mild fan-service , so that the viewers dont get bored. only purpose of the fan-service was to keep the viewers less bored of the series. lol so u hate hentai too I guess XD and... its ur opinion, but wut about animu with no ecchi? Do u even watch em? If u dont, wut if they hav sth really good acc. to its genre? U'll b missing some good stuff just coz the animu has no ecchi in it. Many people dont want to miss dem. So, even being a ecchi fan watching non-ecchi animu doesnt hurt u. Its all about preferences. Unlike u many prefer story to ecchi , even tho they watch ecchi too. |
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| earlier it was like either no fan-service or mild fan-service , so that the viewers dont get bored. only purpose of the fan-service was to keep the viewers less bored of the series. what? the point of fanservice is that the creators are pervert's and like to draw boobs... and there were plenty of shows in the past with lots of fanservice... scrolling your list, its pretty obvious you just haven't watched them that makes NO SENSE, most anime artists draw perverted artwork..... BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO... there are anime creators that say they enjoy drawing the sexy girls the most... saying "its only there for this reason" is ridiculous lol so u hate hentai too I guess XD hentai anime sucks and... its ur opinion, but wut about animu with no ecchi? Do u even watch em? If u dont, wut if they hav sth really good acc. to its genre? U'll b missing some good stuff just coz the animu has no ecchi in it. Many people dont want to miss dem. So, even being a ecchi fan watching non-ecchi animu doesnt hurt u. Its all about preferences. Unlike u many prefer story to ecchi , even tho they watch ecchi too. you could easily look at my list to see that. why would i not watch an anime just cause theres no ecchi in it? and thank you captain obvious.... @kamisama751 ya? well, you know, thats just like uuhh... your opinion man..... |
EcchiGodMamsterSep 19, 2016 7:00 AM
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| In a way it is getting worse. Just think about it, we used to have MCs that were the best of the best (Goku, Luffy, Guts, Tsubasa Oozora, Lelouch etc). When these MCs encountered an opponent that were equal or beat them, we were blown away! Today its a given that the MC is a loser who only has his "hard work" going for him until one day its revelead that they have something special (looking at you naruto) or with their "hard work" they encourage others to fight along them etc. Its like the theme for current anime is to make a loser into a hero (bonus points for surrounding people saying stuff like "he trained so hard! he fell so many times! but he never gave up! listen little kid watching this anime, if you never give up, even you can become something!") Well its not like i hate anime like this but I think seeing a hero fall and stand up again is way better, than the usual "loser has dream, dream seems unreachable, but loser doesnt give up and finally reaches his dream" |
| I can tell you the only truth about the direction in which anime is constantly heading in. It's not getting better, it's not getting worse. It's getting MORE. Each season new anime come out and inrease the total amount of anime produced. This is a fascinating fact not known to many people. Anything else just happens in peoples minds. People perceive anime to be more or less enjoyable than today than yesterday (maybe they're having a headache or something is distracting them that wasn't a factor yesterday, idk) and then they think very hard about why this is happening and the only answer they can come up with is that anime, as a medium, must be going down the drains and there's nothing we can do about it except lament this fact in a forum thread. It seems to be the natural response. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Pullman said: I can tell you the only truth about the direction in which anime is constantly heading in. It's not getting better, it's not getting worse. It's getting MORE. Each season new anime come out and inrease the total amount of anime produced. This is a fascinating fact not known to many people. The following observations are merely that and could be wrong, but I wanted to offer my own perspective, however amateurish it may be. The main problem I can see would be budget. Because most anime outside of the really popular ones rely on a small group of otaku to buy the very expensive dvds, getting so many anime each season isn't necessarily a good thing. It would seem the supply is increasing faster than the demand. This way every studio will have to work with a really small budget and those still able to stay in business will follow dominant trends that will guarantee at least some profit. Not like it's been that much different back in the day, but there are some differences. Firstly because most anime only get aired late at night, only diehard fans will watch them. Secondly studios have to pander even more to the small group of otaku, resulting in very otaku oriented shows. Because of these reasons, I really question how anime will reach a new (and big enough) audience when the current otaku stop buying. It seems like they're sadly trying to appeal to fujoshi a little more to make up for the lack of buyers, but I wonder if it will be enough to sustain the anime industry. |
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