Unyilkdr said: I remember that being no asspull, I remember it being explained and I think he trained for thatAzureDaora said: ueki suddenly have power to use lvl 2? even he still can use 7 weapon god? (correct me too, i watch it long time ago)if I remember right Law of Ueki doesn't have one but I watched that a pretty long time ago and I'm pretty sure you can use both heavenly powers and level 2 at the same time |
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DrGeroCreation said: Fusion was introduced since Namek saga eg. Piccolo fusing with Nail. Not really. Fusion dance and the earnings weren't. Nail was able to fuse with Piccolo because they are both Nameks, it wasn't stated that this could happen with other species, not to mention that their fusion is hardly like the ones from the fusion dance and the earnings, in those fusions both personality form one, in Picoolo's case Nail just kinda disappeared for good and didn't change the appearance of Picolo (tho that's probably because they look the same anyway) |
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AzureDaora said: from what i remeber, his enemy is buble guy, and he need at least open 9 god weapon to leveling. and the buble guy even not leveling yet, he make nomer 10 god weapon. well, maybe it's me that not remember the explanation.Unyilkdr said: I remember that being no asspull, I remember it being explained and I think he trained for thatueki suddenly have power to use lvl 2? even he still can use 7 weapon god? (correct me too, i watch it long time ago) and I'm pretty sure you can use both heavenly powers and level 2 at the same time |
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tsudecimo said: True but it was never said that only Nameks can fuse. Piccolo knowing Dende even before meeting him and being protective of him shows Nail's personality was present and didn't just disappear. It's the same type of thing when Piccolo fused with Kami in terms of personality.DrGeroCreation said: Fusion was introduced since Namek saga eg. Piccolo fusing with Nail. Not really. Fusion dance and the earnings weren't. Nail was able to fuse with Piccolo because they are both Nameks, it wasn't stated that this could happen with other species, not to mention that their fusion is hardly like the ones from the fusion dance and the earnings, in those fusions both personality form one, in Picoolo's case Nail just kinda disappeared for good and didn't change the appearance of Picolo (tho that's probably because they look the same anyway) |
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Unyilkdr said: well you remember wrongAzureDaora said: from what i remeber, his enemy is buble guy, and he need at least open 9 god weapon to leveling. and the buble guy even not leveling yet, he make nomer 10 god weapon. well, maybe it's me that not remember the explanation.I remember that being no asspull, I remember it being explained and I think he trained for that and I'm pretty sure you can use both heavenly powers and level 2 at the same time [spoiler] Robert Haydn (bubble guy) was already eaten by Hanon (pink haired, true villain guy) by that point. Hanon doesn't use your average powers, and only heavenly powers since he actually isn't a competitor. So he has no level 2, just the 1-10 star weapons. Ueki trained to get to level 10, he was inside another heavenly beast. |
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AzureDaora said: thank you.Unyilkdr said: well you remember wrongfrom what i remeber, his enemy is buble guy, and he need at least open 9 god weapon to leveling. and the buble guy even not leveling yet, he make nomer 10 god weapon. well, maybe it's me that not remember the explanation. [spoiler] Robert Haydn (bubble guy) was already eaten by Hanon (pink haired, true villain guy) by that point. Hanon doesn't use your average powers, and only heavenly powers since he actually isn't a competitor. So he has no level 2, just the 1-10 star weapons. Ueki trained to get to level 10, he was inside another heavenly beast. |
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Jonas_The_Jay said: DrGeroCreation said: Such as? Ultimate Gohan, fusion, SSJ3, pretty much every power up in the Boo arc. I can't name anything specific, but the world didn't seem consistent. They just threw everything they thought of, having super sayian level 4000 to defeat opponents. Come to think of it, Digimon Adventure also has it. They pull mega Digivolution out of their ass to solve every conflict. Medabots is also a little bit guilty, but everything there (Animation, comedy, action) is so better that I can forgive it. |
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Forgetfulness said: Yeah, someone else pointed that out earlier. I got it, thanks[/quote] No problem.TheBrainintheJar said: That doesn't even exist in fanfiction.They just threw everything they thought of, having super sayian level 4000 to defeat opponents. TheBrainintheJar said: You can't because you have never fully watched DBZ.I can't name anything specific |
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DrGeroCreation said: TheBrainintheJar said: You can't because you have never fully watched DBZ.I can't name anything specific I think he is one of those, that have an aversion to popular action shows because they are more popular than stuff like NGE. |
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tsudecimo said: Typical jealous hipster, it does seem so.DrGeroCreation said: You can't because you have never fully watched DBZ. I think he is one of those, that have an aversion to popular action shows because they are more popular than stuff like NGE. |
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DrGeroCreation said: tsudecimo said: Typical jealous hipster, it does seem so.I think he is one of those, that have an aversion to popular action shows because they are more popular than stuff like NGE. "Hipster" lol. Besides the stupid ad hominem/populum, do you even know what is Evangelion? It's arguably more popular than DBZ in Japan and is part of their culture. |
| Yeah I heard that they named a specific day over Shinj- oh wait. NGE is not more popular than DB, nor is it part of their culture. It's only part of the Otaku culture/pop culture. And the context was that DBZ is more popular than NGE in the west, which is also true. |
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Agafin said: EVA was a late night anime not shown in the day and mainstream like DBZ. An average Japanese salary man would quicker recognize DBZ or Dragon Ball than EVA.DrGeroCreation said: Typical jealous hipster, it does seem so. "Hipster" lol. Besides the stupid ad hominem/populum, do you even know what is Evangelion? It's arguably more popular than DBZ in Japan and is part of their culture. |
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DrGeroCreation said: An average Japanese salary man would quicker recognize DBZ than EVA. Well that was random. Salary men usually read Seinen manga when they commute. I also don't think many people realize that a good portion of the population of Japan are not familiar with anime/manga. There was a street survey in where 60% or more (I don't remember the exact number) didn't know what 'Gundam' is, and never heard of the franchise. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Agafin said: EVA was a late night anime not shown in the day and mainstream like DBZ. An average Japanese salary man would quicker recognize DBZ or Dragon Ball than EVA."Hipster" lol. Besides the stupid ad hominem/populum, do you even know what is Evangelion? It's arguably more popular than DBZ in Japan and is part of their culture. It originally aired at 7:30 AM but actually became more popular when it was moved to 11:30 PM so that's not actually true. The Evangelion movies are doing better than the DBZ movies so its fair to assume that it has more fans than DBZ atm at least. http://www.someanithing.com/268 And it's rather hard to not at least know about Eva in Japan since there's like an Eva monument in several public places in Japan (like the Asuka's giant picture at the Tokyo (?) airport). |
tsudecimo said: They do but they usually grew up with mainstream anime targeted at kids like Dragon Ball, Doraemon etc. Yeah there are people that don't know that anime itself isn't really mainstream in Japan.DrGeroCreation said: An average Japanese salary man would quicker recognize DBZ than EVA. Well that was random. Salary men usually read Seinen manga when they commute. I also don't think many people realize that a good portion of the population of Japan are not familiar with anime/manga. There was a street survey in where 60% or more (I don't remember the exact number) didn't know what 'Gundam' is, and never heard of the franchise. Agafin said: Only one of the EVA movies has outgrossed Battle of Gods. It's hard not to know about it in Japan if you are an otaku. There being a monument doesn't mean most people know what it's of or representing.The Evangelion movies are doing better than the DBZ movies so its fair to assume that it has more fans than DBZ atm at least. http://www.someanithing.com/268 And it's rather hard to not at least know about Eva in Japan since there's like an Eva monument in several public places in Japan (like the Asuka's giant picture at the Tokyo (?) airport). The Japanese government actually helped fund Battle of Gods http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/09/dragon-ball-z-2013-movie-receiving-government-funding/. Has any EVA movie received such funding? |
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DrGeroCreation said: Only one of the EVA movies has outgrossed Battle of Gods. It's hard not to know about it in Japan if you are an otaku. There being a monument doesn't mean most people know what it's of or representing. The Japanese government actually helped fund Battle of Gods http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/09/dragon-ball-z-2013-movie-receiving-government-funding/. Has any EVA movie received such funding? Eva 2.0 and 3.0 both outgrossed BoG in Japan. And worldwide 3.0 outgrossed it. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=evangelion3.htm http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=dragonballz2014.htm And that is my point. Lol, Evangelion is mainstream, it's more popular than any Otaku anime can dream of being. Its movies have disc sales of around 900k, that's Ghibli/Disney level. The government would fund Eva if it actually needed funding, what does that have to do with anything? Anyway, I hope you can at least admit that calling Eva fans "hipsters" is bullshit. Grey-Zone said: An "asspull" encompasses everything from Deus Ex Machina, Diobolus Ex Machina and anything else that can be "Ex Machina". It describes an element of a fictional story that gets introduced in the later part of the story that has a significant effect on the story, but was in no way hinted at at some point. For me it's already NOT an asspull if there is even the slighest hint about the element in the earlier part of the story. Otherwise we would NEVER be able to experience genunine "surprises" in the later part of the story without it being considered "bad writing". Yeah, just like I said earlier, Good foreshadowing=subtle foreshadowing (though not too vague). The twist should also make sense imo. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: DBZ is supposed to be nothing but asspulls Mostly the buu saga |
MightyM16 said: Only Old Kai being in the z sword and the fusion ability of the portara earrings to me count as asspulls in the Buu saga.TheBrainintheJar said: DBZ is supposed to be nothing but asspulls Mostly the buu saga |
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Zergneedsfood said: Takuan_Soho said: Yea I'd say it's just ass.If a show is nothing but "asspulls" the very definition of asspull says that it isn't an asspull. It could be self-aware that it's ass. |
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Zergneedsfood said: YandereTheEmo said: And that's fine. I love a work that's self-aware.It could be self-aware that it's ass. What's an ass without some brain? |
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| When a plot twist isn't foreshadowed or lampshaded at all; particularly when it only occurs due to the introduction of a new rule or change in the rules of the show. The most common form of asspull is the protagonist getting a new power or ability out of nowhere - deus ex machina style. i.e. in Yu-Gi-Oh! when Yami, out of nowhere, uses a new card that clones kuriboh perpetually, which allows him to auto-win because killing the clones doesn't affect his life points because that's an exception to the rules for no apparent reason. |
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icirate said: Yami Yugi cheated big time in that duel with Kaiba. Fusing a monster card with a trap card wtf?i.e. in Yu-Gi-Oh! when Yami, out of nowhere, uses a new card that clones kuriboh perpetually, which allows him to auto-win because killing the clones doesn't affect his life points because that's an exception to the rules for no apparent reason. |
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DrGeroCreation said: google gem-knight deck. it's literally have 2 traps card fusion. it used normaly after syncrho cards saga. well, i admit it thats not many cards can use it. but after quick play fusion release, this movements is normal to use. but yeah, in that era, it's asspullicirate said: Yami Yugi cheated big time in that duel with Kaiba. Fusing a monster card with a trap card wtf?i.e. in Yu-Gi-Oh! when Yami, out of nowhere, uses a new card that clones kuriboh perpetually, which allows him to auto-win because killing the clones doesn't affect his life points because that's an exception to the rules for no apparent reason. |
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| One important one that I haven't seen mentioned is. Parasyte I swear that's the part in the anime that immediately made me drop it's overall score. Naruto ,Bleach , DBZ as everyone else has mentioned, and a lot of other generic shounen's. Overall I see an ass-pull as something that the reader could not have possibly known prior to it happening , and that it's something so random that it doesn't fit in anywhere into the story. It's something that the author put's in that only aims to cover up for bad/poorly planned writing. |
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| I just think it's sad that so many authors seem to rather take the easy route and pulling an asspull rather than putting in some effort and do some well-intigrated foreshadowing. It's even more sad that they often succeed with it. Zergneedsfood said: Takuan_Soho said: Yea I'd say it's just ass.If a show is nothing but "asspulls" the very definition of asspull says that it isn't an asspull. Accurate. |
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| Every episode of Naruto and Bleach. |
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| For me asspulls are the entire second half of Sword art Online (first one was close to beeing an asspull) the entire second season of Sword art Online and the whole end of Naruto. oh and pretty much everything in Bleach |
Isaac_ said: According to this thread, Naruto is nothing but asspulls? I don't think I've spotted any yet but I'm just 19 episodes in. After watching the whole Naruto and 418 episodes of Shippuden, I still gotta spot one as well... |
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_Raku_ said: For me asspulls are the entire second half of Sword art Online (first one was close to beeing an asspull) the entire second season of Sword art Online and the whole end of Naruto. oh and pretty much everything in Bleach Saying everything about something is an asspull or the second half of it, contradicts the whole meaning of the word. Like how does that even makes sense. |
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geralt said: Isaac_ said: According to this thread, Naruto is nothing but asspulls? I don't think I've spotted any yet but I'm just 19 episodes in. After watching the whole Naruto and 418 episodes of Shippuden, I still gotta spot one as well... I only spotted one & it wasn't that serious. |
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| What's the difference between an asspull and Deux ex Machina anyway? |
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Tenshi_Shura said: What's the difference between an asspull and Deux ex Machina anyway? Timing. An asspull is just something out of nowhere, and makes no sense at all. Like Naruto's Sage Mode, or Cloak Mode, if an asspull occurs at the last minute to save someone's life, it's a Deus Ex. Alternatively, asspulls might not even need extra power, just the "power of friendship or will", case in point, Luffy beating Lucci just because he had to. There was to extra power, but it was an asspull all the same. |
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Mikasa said: Tenshi_Shura said: What's the difference between an asspull and Deux ex Machina anyway? Timing. An asspull is just something out of nowhere, and makes no sense at all. Like Naruto's Sage Mode, or Cloak Mode, if an asspull occurs at the last minute to save someone's life, it's a Deus Ex. How does sage mode make no sense? Did you miss Jiraiya using it against Pain? |
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geralt said: Mikasa said: Timing. An asspull is just something out of nowhere, and makes no sense at all. Like Naruto's Sage Mode, or Cloak Mode, if an asspull occurs at the last minute to save someone's life, it's a Deus Ex. How does sage mode make no sense? Did you miss Jiraiya using it against Pain? geralt said: Mikasa said: Timing. An asspull is just something out of nowhere, and makes no sense at all. Like Naruto's Sage Mode, or Cloak Mode, if an asspull occurs at the last minute to save someone's life, it's a Deus Ex. How does sage mode make no sense? Did you miss Jiraiya using it against Pain? What does Jiraiya using it have to do with it not being an asspull? |
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tsudecimo said: Like how does that even makes sense. If someone considers that something like Sage Mode is an asspull, it makes sense that he would consider that almost everything is an asspull. |
| It was already introduced before Naruto learnt it. When he went through the training for it, he was just very skilled at it. How is it an asspull exactly? |
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