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Jul 11, 2015 7:47 AM
#101
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. |
Jul 11, 2015 8:44 AM
#102
Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). |
Jul 11, 2015 10:58 AM
#103
Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Umm no it's not illegal in a public area |
Jul 11, 2015 12:34 PM
#105
KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Umm no it's not illegal in a public area so your saying that stalking someone for days filming them without there permission is legal because they did it in a public area? |
Jul 11, 2015 12:52 PM
#106
Nothing257 said: KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Umm no it's not illegal in a public area so your saying that stalking someone for days filming them without there permission is legal because they did it in a public area? Filming in a public area is not illegal, that's the reason we could film cops when they screw up. If she went into his home and secretly filmed him that would be illegal, since it's invasion of "privacy" A public area is not a private area, hence the name public. By the time she went into his home, he was already ok with her filming. Stalking is a different story, but given the circumstances i'm pretty sure she'd win that court battle. |
Jul 11, 2015 12:56 PM
#107
1st Episode impressions is terribly bad. No character "development" would happen since it just started! If you people loathed the character, Why don't just drop it already and do other stuffs instead of being busy hating? |
Haters always gonna hate. But they are all dumb asses who always love to bother unnecessarily. "Spread the Hate, Spread the Idiocy." |
Jul 11, 2015 1:04 PM
#108
KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Umm no it's not illegal in a public area so your saying that stalking someone for days filming them without there permission is legal because they did it in a public area? Filming in a public area is not illegal, that's the reason we could film cops when they screw up. If she went into his home and secretly filmed him that would be illegal, since it's invasion of "privacy" A public area is not a private area, hence the name public. By the time she went into his home, he was already ok with her filming. Stalking is a different story, but given the circumstances i'm pretty sure she'd win that court battle. oh ok that filming in public places makes scene i guess now, but to say she would win the court case about the stalking i doubt it. what will she say "Your honor i was stalking Yuu for the reason that he was using his super power for evil deeds by controlling peoples minds, me and my friend used our super powers to stop him and recruited him for out special team to help other with super powers."? doubt it. |
Jul 11, 2015 1:42 PM
#109
Nothing257 said: Technically she could probably win if she say she noticed he was behind an accident that she caught on camera but at the end they would both be in trouble.KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Umm no it's not illegal in a public area so your saying that stalking someone for days filming them without there permission is legal because they did it in a public area? Filming in a public area is not illegal, that's the reason we could film cops when they screw up. If she went into his home and secretly filmed him that would be illegal, since it's invasion of "privacy" A public area is not a private area, hence the name public. By the time she went into his home, he was already ok with her filming. Stalking is a different story, but given the circumstances i'm pretty sure she'd win that court battle. oh ok that filming in public places makes scene i guess now, but to say she would win the court case about the stalking i doubt it. what will she say "Your honor i was stalking Yuu for the reason that he was using his super power for evil deeds by controlling peoples minds, me and my friend used our super powers to stop him and recruited him for out special team to help other with super powers."? doubt it. |
Jul 11, 2015 3:48 PM
#110
Jakerams said: Nothing257 said: Technically she could probably win if she say she noticed he was behind an accident that she caught on camera but at the end they would both be in trouble.KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: KamiCity said: Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Umm no it's not illegal in a public area so your saying that stalking someone for days filming them without there permission is legal because they did it in a public area? Filming in a public area is not illegal, that's the reason we could film cops when they screw up. If she went into his home and secretly filmed him that would be illegal, since it's invasion of "privacy" A public area is not a private area, hence the name public. By the time she went into his home, he was already ok with her filming. Stalking is a different story, but given the circumstances i'm pretty sure she'd win that court battle. oh ok that filming in public places makes scene i guess now, but to say she would win the court case about the stalking i doubt it. what will she say "Your honor i was stalking Yuu for the reason that he was using his super power for evil deeds by controlling peoples minds, me and my friend used our super powers to stop him and recruited him for out special team to help other with super powers."? doubt it. not true the video would show him saving a school girl and her just spying it is more likely that she will get in trouble than for him to. |
Jul 11, 2015 10:19 PM
#113
You're funny Yuu_Vi_Brittania. I assume that you like Lelouch, who is also using underhanded methods to achieve his goals. Don't get me wrong, Lelouch is also one of my favorite characters. But now you hate some anime character who also uses similar methods, albeit on a much smaller scale? How about Yagami Light? He killed/masterminded the deaths of innocent people, doesn't give a shit if his family dies, etc. Yet you like him over someone who destroys properties and invades privacy? AFAIK Light also didn't repent one single bit for his crimes, even after being caught. Why? |
Jul 11, 2015 10:54 PM
#114
shast007 said: yuu can carry the whole anime w/o nao, nao tomori shall perished |
Jul 11, 2015 10:56 PM
#115
Jul 12, 2015 12:11 AM
#116
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: DarklordVor said: Fuck the haters. When Yuu become the good guy at the end of the series, I will be waiting for you people hate thread again! I'm pretty sure he's not the kind of guy who will sacrifice himself like Lelouch, or the kind of guy who will never repent his crimes like Light. - Emiya Shiro was punished? - Emiya Shiro was deliver to teachers responsible to receive a punishment for his actions? - Emiya shiro was forced to enter a school and be part of a student council? Did you just copy paste the same discussion from the episode 2 thread? |
Jul 12, 2015 12:16 AM
#117
Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Unless you don't count lashing out at people he definitely tried to assault her. |
Jul 12, 2015 12:25 AM
#118
vitaxlilium said: Not just in this thread but in all charlotte discussion threads.The bitterness in this thread is strong deanzel said: She's a f'n legend. This thread is shit. |
Jul 12, 2015 7:29 AM
#119
Jason- said: Nothing257 said: Jason- said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Chiibi said: I thought she was amusing. Yuu deserved to be put in his place because he certainly crossed the line. all crossed the line. Even the student council president who is looking a porn magazine. False. Joujirou did not cross a line by trying to catch Yuu who had already proved himself to be a dangerous individual. Neither did Nao by trying to work out a peaceful solution. Nor was she wrong for hitting Yuu who had just tried to assault her. The only one to cross a line this episode was Yuu. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera so that she would stop filming (without his permission which is rude and illegal). Unless you don't count lashing out at people he definitely tried to assault her. He never tried to assault her he was trying to grab the camera |
Jul 12, 2015 7:41 AM
#120
mafia_princess said: vitaxlilium said: Not just in this thread but in all charlotte discussion threads.The bitterness in this thread is strong deanzel said: She's a f'n legend. This thread is shit. Agreed, I like Nao far more than Yuu come at me haters. |
Jul 12, 2015 8:00 AM
#121
potatohun said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: KamiCity said: Maybe you should read who's making this story before jumping to conclusion? This is KEY we're talking about here. It's going to be a drama series that's for sure, and it has an interesting plotline that's for sure. Also lol at the "omg the mc isn't going to go on a killing spree, this isn't grimdark edgy enough" mentality of MAL. Answer me something. The ''Four Eye-kun'' can not control their power. I have three questions. 1. What would have happened to people, if they had collided with ''Four Eye-kun'' at the speed it was in? 2. What would have happened if ''Four Eye-kun'' had fallen with the MC in a solid surface, instead of water? 3. The impact of the collision in high speed could not kill or hurt others people? No more questions Your Honor. I want to save this smile. Omg I love your sig. So do I just for the fact that I went through the first two episodes thinking, "God, Yuu reminds me of another anime character, but I can't put my finger on it." Now I know. I should have figured it'd be Lelouch. |
Jul 12, 2015 8:02 AM
#122
Jul 12, 2015 9:28 AM
#123
1. Nao ruined Otosaka’s life Episode II officially confirms that Nao actually saved Yū’s life. If the psycho scientists somehow found out about Yū superhuman ability, then they could have used him as a experimental test subject. Even agonizing is the fact that Ayumi would have been tested upon, as biological siblings share the same genes. Nao is doing her best to save others. Also, Nao would have only have invaded Yū privacy if she had snuck into his house or likewise. Nao is going her best to ensure the safety of her fellows. If you're telling me that's bad, then please do check an appointment with a psychologist, because you might have a minor case of depression. 2. Nao’s a bitch You have this really misogynist tendency to call every single assertive and strong-willed woman a bitch. Nao iis only shown to act rudely in front of Yū. She's fairly kind to Ayumi. Nao is what I would call mentally strong protagonist. Despite what she's been through, she still works hard and has a bright personality. She is not a bitch. Yes, she hits Yū, but she has a reason to. Yū nearly kills a classmate, which could potentially expose his powers. Nao doesn't seem generic. She's bright and bubbly, but she can be levelheaded too. That-Lelouche-Wannabe said: . Invasion privacy of students, filming them without get their consents. . Coerce, physical assault, extortion and blackmail against students of these institutions. . Use your power to stick a row and take vantangem about other students who were facing respectfully the queue waiting to buy his lunch, due to this digina attitude of praise, again causing physical damage and destruction of patrimonies, bothering and placing students in cituação hazard. devido a esta atitude digina de louvor. This is possibly the epitome of shitness. Filming them without their consents. Oh no, I acidentally caught the face of a man while talking a picture of that tree! I've taken his photo without his consent! What should I do?! Get a life, please. Nao might be filming at a public place. So far, we can even speculate that the school was open-house! And didn't Yu do similar things? All I see you doing is praising that shit of an MC while abusing others. Didn't he possess others to watch girls? Or are you too conceited to admit it? Nao does not physically assault anyone except Yuu- who deserved it. Besides, doesn't Yuu abuse his powers? Didn't Yuu destroy the truck and the adjacent wall too? It's hypocritical to call out Nao while ignoring the other character flaws. If you watch a show to bitch about it- then, well, might as well not watch it. |
Lovebird12Jul 12, 2015 9:37 AM
Jul 13, 2015 2:07 AM
#125
All of you here are wonderful and saintly people, which is why I find this laughable. As misanthropic and grim as it is, most people would very easily abuse special powers without a second thought, even more so under the underdeveloped rationale of a high schooler. After all, who actually gives a thought to stepping all over other people, strangers at that, if it will help them reach the prize at the top? And more than that, the nature of said powers makes it difficult, if at all possible, to come up with solid evidence that indicates each individual, throwing out any and all accountability. Which is why I can say that I cannot bring myself to like Tomori. Aside from the bad juju that I got from first seeing her, the second episode confirmed that she is one of those characters: "I must help others so that they don't end up the way that I/somebody significant ended up." This self-righteousness aggravates me because in the end, it is simply a means of self-gratification for her regrets by tampering with the lives of others. And if her actual goals are not the aforementioned but something more sinister, then that is and entirely different issue. Besides, if these two episodes weren't indicative at all, then allow me to clarify: this girl is broken. Not like her brother, who has literal mental problems, but there is very clearly something about her that has snapped, and it is characters like these who are the ones that typically end up being the most dangerous to everyone around them. Who knows. I, like everybody else here, have seen only up to 2 episodes at this point. Don't take me wrong. I am not particularly fond of any of the characters in the series thus far. However, these arguments talking about how the characters are reckless and evil makes them unlikable or scum turns me off completely. Of course, I don't expect any of the arguments made in this thread, including mine, to be at all valid by the time that the story progresses to the end, if not some earlier point. |
Jul 13, 2015 5:13 AM
#126
archonidas said: All of you here are wonderful and saintly people, which is why I find this laughable. As misanthropic and grim as it is, most people would very easily abuse special powers without a second thought, even more so under the underdeveloped rationale of a high schooler. After all, who actually gives a thought to stepping all over other people, strangers at that, if it will help them reach the prize at the top? And more than that, the nature of said powers makes it difficult, if at all possible, to come up with solid evidence that indicates each individual, throwing out any and all accountability. Which is why I can say that I cannot bring myself to like Tomori. Aside from the bad juju that I got from first seeing her, the second episode confirmed that she is one of those characters: "I must help others so that they don't end up the way that I/somebody significant ended up." This self-righteousness aggravates me because in the end, it is simply a means of self-gratification for her regrets by tampering with the lives of others. And if her actual goals are not the aforementioned but something more sinister, then that is and entirely different issue. Besides, if these two episodes weren't indicative at all, then allow me to clarify: this girl is broken. Not like her brother, who has literal mental problems, but there is very clearly something about her that has snapped, and it is characters like these who are the ones that typically end up being the most dangerous to everyone around them. Who knows. I, like everybody else here, have seen only up to 2 episodes at this point. Don't take me wrong. I am not particularly fond of any of the characters in the series thus far. However, these arguments talking about how the characters are reckless and evil makes them unlikable or scum turns me off completely. Of course, I don't expect any of the arguments made in this thread, including mine, to be at all valid by the time that the story progresses to the end, if not some earlier point. Well put |
Jul 13, 2015 9:54 AM
#127
DatRandomDude said: You're not alone bro, hah :) AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES BOTH YUU AND NAO ? The one I don't like in this anime is that teleporting man with glasses, he's just an irritating guy who blidly follows Nao's orders. |
centurionixJul 13, 2015 9:57 AM
Jul 13, 2015 2:18 PM
#128
archonidas said: Which is why I can say that I cannot bring myself to like Tomori. Aside from the bad juju that I got from first seeing her, the second episode confirmed that she is one of those characters: "I must help others so that they don't end up the way that I/somebody significant ended up." This self-righteousness aggravates me because in the end, it is simply a means of self-gratification for her regrets by tampering with the lives of others. And if her actual goals are not the aforementioned but something more sinister, then that is and entirely different issue. I would be completely fine if people just commented that they disliked Nao and stated the reasons, but calling her a 'bitch' or c*nt is simply too much. Also, I remember that the official site remarks her as 'narcissistic', but I haven't seen her look down on others so far. Her interaction with Ayumi seems genuinely nice. For some reason, I cannot get rid of the notion that Nao is working for those scientists. Maybe their threatening her. If that is the case, then it changes the scenario completely. Of course, we've only seen two episodes, and that's not enough to judge a character or series. Avoid abusing characters if you don't even know what the word means, which is the case of ceturionix. 'C*nt' is for derogatory term for a woman who craves for men. Nao is not a c*nt. I don't get why people claim that Yuu is not generic. He gives out those 'Tomoya Kanie Lelouch vibes. Also, archonidas, Justified =/= Excused. So far, he seems like a pathetic attempt to make a character seem badass. Well, we'll see |
Lovebird12Jul 13, 2015 2:23 PM
Jul 13, 2015 5:51 PM
#129
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: -random stuff from other posts or google translate- Can you stop posting unintelligible shit that doesn't relate to whatever post you're quoting. Honestly half of your posts feel like you've put them through google translate and the other half seems to be copied from various statements people other than yourself have made. I honestly have no clue what you are doing but it's incredibly irritating, so please stop. Going back to the topic at hand, this thread seems to have been made as a joke, and unfortunately, some people have decided to take it seriously. I really don't see how anyone could still think of Nao as annoying after the recent episode, especially with her backstory giving legitimate reasons to her behavior. She opened Yuu's eyes to the reality of living with a superpower, and rather than being a tyrant and taking away his freedom, she saved his life and is helping him understand just how scary a thing it is to have a superpower and trying to teach him to help other oblivious kids with superpowers who need to be warned or protected. |
Jul 13, 2015 7:12 PM
#130
Marshy-kun said: archonidas said: Which is why I can say that I cannot bring myself to like Tomori. Aside from the bad juju that I got from first seeing her, the second episode confirmed that she is one of those characters: "I must help others so that they don't end up the way that I/somebody significant ended up." This self-righteousness aggravates me because in the end, it is simply a means of self-gratification for her regrets by tampering with the lives of others. And if her actual goals are not the aforementioned but something more sinister, then that is and entirely different issue. I would be completely fine if people just commented that they disliked Nao and stated the reasons, but calling her a 'bitch' or c*nt is simply too much. Also, I remember that the official site remarks her as 'narcissistic', but I haven't seen her look down on others so far. Her interaction with Ayumi seems genuinely nice. For some reason, I cannot get rid of the notion that Nao is working for those scientists. Maybe their threatening her. If that is the case, then it changes the scenario completely. Of course, we've only seen two episodes, and that's not enough to judge a character or series. Avoid abusing characters if you don't even know what the word means, which is the case of ceturionix. 'C*nt' is for derogatory term for a woman who craves for men. Nao is not a c*nt. I don't get why people claim that Yuu is not generic. He gives out those 'Tomoya Kanie Lelouch vibes. Also, archonidas, Justified =/= Excused. So far, he seems like a pathetic attempt to make a character seem badass. Well, we'll see Forgive me, but I do not recall mentioning anything about any of the actions that have taken place thus far being justified. In fact, the wall of text that I put up earlier indicated that regardless of (lack of) justification, people will abuse powers if they so feel the urge to do so. People may be repulsed by such behavior, and that is completely understandable, but I was under the impression that people had an issue with the personality of Tomori before this thread exploded into a morass revolving around the morality of abusing powers. suikaMUSIC said: I really don't see how anyone could still think of Nao as annoying after the recent episode, especially with her backstory giving legitimate reasons to her behavior. She opened Yuu's eyes to the reality of living with a superpower, and rather than being a tyrant and taking away his freedom, she saved his life and is helping him understand just how scary a thing it is to have a superpower and trying to teach him to help other oblivious kids with superpowers who need to be warned or protected. As mentioned above, I assume that what people don't like is Tomori's personality, or rather, the way she goes about things. Intentions do not always translate the way one would imagine, seeing as it took two episodes instead of the first meeting for Tomori to convey the reasons for her actions. She could easily approach and explain, albeit with some difficulty, which is more likely to invoke a more friendly response, but as Yuu_vi_Britannia pointed out earlier, she corners people after she has everything she needs, by using her own power no less. It is easier for her to do and requires much less interacting and understanding to solve the problem, but that ultimately goes against her "desire to protect people from the fate her brother suffered", showing that her mission is not so much a passion as it is a dependence or something of the like. Further evidencing her personality is by her using her power to clobber the MC when he tries to take her camera, an action which was absolutely NOT necessary; even if he was actually trying to attack her, she was already invisible, so he couldn't have done anything to her anyway. It is similar to a dentist intentionally scaring a child with a drill, completely uncalled for and unrelated to solving the problem. |
Jul 13, 2015 7:34 PM
#131
suikaMUSIC said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: -random stuff from other posts or google translate- Can you stop posting unintelligible shit that doesn't relate to whatever post you're quoting. Honestly half of your posts feel like you've put them through google translate and the other half seems to be copied from various statements people other than yourself have made. I honestly have no clue what you are doing but it's incredibly irritating, so please stop. Going back to the topic at hand, this thread seems to have been made as a joke, and unfortunately, some people have decided to take it seriously. I really don't see how anyone could still think of Nao as annoying after the recent episode, especially with her backstory giving legitimate reasons to her behavior. She opened Yuu's eyes to the reality of living with a superpower, and rather than being a tyrant and taking away his freedom, she saved his life and is helping him understand just how scary a thing it is to have a superpower and trying to teach him to help other oblivious kids with superpowers who need to be warned or protected. The means do not justify the ends. Have the sad past, does not give you the right to do whatever he wants. His approach metodoss are wrong. If they were used by police officers, they would be charged with abuse of authority and would be prosecuted. Blackmail, threats, violence, invasion of privacy, abuse of power, invasion of schools without a search warrant, voyeur, violent approaches intimidation. This time Nao it only took a punch, and the aggression had a firearm and disparace against one of them, she and her friends have died. The teleportation of Four-Eye-Kan, did not work this time proving that plans of Nao are flawed and dangerous. Yu lost his freedom, he was forced to go into a school, and living about surveillance 24 hours, and you say he did not lose his freedom. I'm sorry, more your comments have no logic and consistency, are based at his passion for his favorite character, and you're letting your passion the speak louder than reason and facts. What you're trying to do is to seek excuses and justifications to defend the methods aggressive, reckless and abussivos used by Nao. The sad past is just a crutch and an excuse used by you to defend and justify the actions of his your character. The means do not justify the ends. Mao, Stalin and Hitler, also had good intentions, they just wanted to make their countries a better place, and proporcionato a better life for its inhabitants. But they chose wrong methods and just look at what they have become, and what they did. ''The road to hell is paved with good intentions'' |
Jul 13, 2015 7:54 PM
#132
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Mao, Stalin and Hitler, also had good intentions, they just wanted to make their countries a better place, and proporcionato a better life for its inhabitants. But they chose wrong methods and just look at what they have become, and what they did. ''The road to hell is paved with good intentions'' Humm, uhm no they did not have "good intentions". Had they merely wanted to make their countries better places they would not have have invaded other countries (Tibet, Finland, Czechoslovakia, or in the last two: Poland). I would love to argue on this point, but thinking that someone actually compared an anime character to three of the most prolific mass murders in human history, makes me want to seek the quiet oblivion of a gin martini. |
Jul 13, 2015 11:17 PM
#133
same what i said to the other not fan club its only episode 1 and 2 THERES SOMTHING CALLED CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT abyss333 said: She ruined the poor guys life. How much other people's nice lives have been ruined by her meddling!! I hate people who butt into other peoples lives and suddenly think they have superiority over them. I hope there are better characters poor guy? he was clearly abusing his power like light from death note |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Jul 14, 2015 12:34 AM
#134
archonidas said: As mentioned above, I assume that what people don't like is Tomori's personality, or rather, the way she goes about things. Intentions do not always translate the way one would imagine, seeing as it took two episodes instead of the first meeting for Tomori to convey the reasons for her actions. Wrong. Nao had already revealed her intentions in Episode I, when she stated that the mission was to threaten students who abuse their powers. She revealed her /cause/ in Episode II. I interpret the intentions as well-meaning, and that’s what counts. Also, she didn’t force Yuu to enter Hoshinoumi. She had have already gotten permission from those that have parental authority over him Also, Yuu_vi_Britannia, I think you can go open a History textbook right now. Preferably, Otosaka Ayumi’s? Hitler, Stalin and Mao did not have good intentions. Hitler’s intention wasn’t to make Germany a better place, but to rather wipe Jews off the face of the Earth. Proved, as he invaded other countries and opened concentration camps for Jews in them. archonidas said: She could easily approach and explain, albeit with some difficulty, which is more likely to invoke a more friendly response. She corners people after before she has everything she needs So far, I don’t remember her cornering people. Also, on rewatching the Episode, I noticed that Yu ran first. Isn’t it normal to chase him? (Ignore Jojirou. It’s Nao we’re talking about) While talking with Yuu, she did approach him in an unhostile manner. That coward just ran from the room. She tried to work out a peaceful solution. Also, she doesn't abuse her powers. Heck, she's never even shown using them against anyone other than Yuu! Nao clearly stated in episode II: We really don't plan on tossing you over to the police. However, if you keep using these powers, your life will be ruined. So this is a warning She can work out a peaceful solution, as seen when she dealt with the Captain. Nao said: It is easier for her to do and requires much less interacting and understanding to solve the problem, but that ultimately goes against her "desire to protect people from the fate her brother suffered", showing that her mission is not so much a passion as it is a dependence or something of the like. We’re not shown to have any qualms about interacting. Aforementioned, Yuu ran from the room. She does harmlessly approach the Archery Club Captain, only by the help of words. How does that ultimately go against her mission? Mind explaining this? archonidas said: Further evidencing her personality is by her using her power to clobber the MC when he tries to take her camera, an action which was absolutely NOT necessary; even if he was actually trying to attack her, she was already invisible, so he couldn't have done anything to her anyway. I wouldn’t call it not necessary. I consider Yuu's actions to be assault. And I'd be pretty pissed off too. Also, archonidas said: It is similar to a dentist intentionally scaring a child with a drill, completely uncalled for and unrelated to solving the problem. Wrong. It’s similar to a dentist intentionally scaring a child who just bit him. |
Lovebird12Jul 14, 2015 12:41 AM
Jul 14, 2015 12:55 AM
#135
hazerddex said: abyss333 said: She ruined the poor guys life. How much other people's nice lives have been ruined by her meddling!! I hate people who butt into other peoples lives and suddenly think they have superiority over them. I hope there are better characters poor guy? he was clearly abusing his power like light from death note This thread was ironic, the OP is a troll. It takes a very special kind of person to actually agree with what he said, after episode 2. |
Jul 14, 2015 1:53 AM
#136
Like the main guy was using his power for good purposes. You speak against Nao but you are forgetting that Yuu has done so many terrible things. Using his powers to cheat (when there should have been a limit to it) He's greedy. He doesn't care what happens to others as long as he gets to enjoy high status life. He's the one disgusting, not Nao. I might be harsh on him, but still expect good things from him, and believe that he will have some good character development. Does that save him from what he did? No. And never forget what she went through. Look at the big picture. She doesn't want anyone else to suffer the same pain as she and esp. her bro did. She's protecting them. And if for that, she will have to meddle in their lives, then it's more than worth it. She's a hero, never forget it. |
Jul 14, 2015 2:28 AM
#137
Marshy-kun said: archonidas said: As mentioned above, I assume that what people don't like is Tomori's personality, or rather, the way she goes about things. Intentions do not always translate the way one would imagine, seeing as it took two episodes instead of the first meeting for Tomori to convey the reasons for her actions. Wrong. Nao had already revealed her intentions in Episode I, when she stated that the mission was to threaten students who abuse their powers. She revealed her /cause/ in Episode II. I interpret the intentions as well-meaning, and that’s what counts. Also, she didn’t force Yuu to enter Hoshinoumi. She had have already gotten permission from those that have parental authority over him Also, Yuu_vi_Britannia, I think you can go open a History textbook right now. Preferably, Otosaka Ayumi’s? Hitler, Stalin and Mao did not have good intentions. Hitler’s intention wasn’t to make Germany a better place, but to rather wipe Jews off the face of the Earth. Proved, as he invaded other countries and opened concentration camps for Jews in them. archonidas said: She could easily approach and explain, albeit with some difficulty, which is more likely to invoke a more friendly response. She corners people after before she has everything she needs So far, I don’t remember her cornering people. Also, on rewatching the Episode, I noticed that Yu ran first. Isn’t it normal to chase him? (Ignore Jojirou. It’s Nao we’re talking about) While talking with Yuu, she did approach him in an unhostile manner. That coward just ran from the room. She tried to work out a peaceful solution. Also, she doesn't abuse her powers. Heck, she's never even shown using them against anyone other than Yuu! Nao clearly stated in episode II: We really don't plan on tossing you over to the police. However, if you keep using these powers, your life will be ruined. So this is a warning She can work out a peaceful solution, as seen when she dealt with the Captain. archonidas said: It is easier for her to do and requires much less interacting and understanding to solve the problem, but that ultimately goes against her "desire to protect people from the fate her brother suffered", showing that her mission is not so much a passion as it is a dependence or something of the like. We’re not shown to have any qualms about interacting. Aforementioned, Yuu ran from the room. She does harmlessly approach the Archery Club Captain, only by the help of words. How does that ultimately go against her mission? Mind explaining this? archonidas said: Further evidencing her personality is by her using her power to clobber the MC when he tries to take her camera, an action which was absolutely NOT necessary; even if he was actually trying to attack her, she was already invisible, so he couldn't have done anything to her anyway. I wouldn’t call it not necessary. I consider Yuu's actions to be assault. And I'd be pretty pissed off too. Also, archonidas said: It is similar to a dentist intentionally scaring a child with a drill, completely uncalled for and unrelated to solving the problem. Wrong. It’s similar to a dentist intentionally scaring a child who just bit him. I will gladly address all of the points you have made thus far. (Not here looking for a fight, but I do like debating and analyzing so it's all cool.) I may have been unclear earlier, so I apologize and hope to clarify. However, the important part of this is the last paragraph, so if you do not feel inclined to read the following walls of text, then I would skip to the bottom. Regarding your first, I concede that my word choice was poor in distinguishing intentions and cause; that was a mistake on my part. However, I must disagree one the point that well-meaning is the same as well resulting. For example, if a person's friends want to help him get together with his crush, they may unintentionally complicate the relationship. This goes back to methods, which will be my next point. You say that Tomori did not corner the MC, but I believe that you are missing something rather important. For some time, Tomori had been tailing him while gathering information for the purposes of putting him in a position where he could not defend himself. The act of cornering him wasn't a physical act on the riverside, but rather, the mentality Tomori forced him into in the situation. Additionally, I did not state that she abused her powers, nor do I view her application of them as an abuse, although I do believe that there were better alternatives in the long run. And yes, Tomori was able to obtain a "peaceful" solution in regards to the issue with the archery captain, that is, if we take it at the value of the word. In fact, one can consider death a peaceful solution as well. Downer aside, while the archery captain will not be using his power anymore, his situation has ultimately not improved in regards to his financial situation. This does not deviate from her mission, but it is indicative, as you will see later. From the previous point, the MC ran because of the position he was put into. If he were physically cornered, then he wouldn't have been able to leave the room in the first place, now would he? Her "going against her mission" was poor wording, but I believe that you will understand at least, if not agree, when you read the last paragraph. Up until the point where the MC attempted to seize the camera, Tomori had been, intentionally or otherwise, taunting him in regards to him using his powers. What makes me believe that it was intentional was that none of what she said after the line about gaining approval from those with parental authority was productive at all. Additionally, she was recording him during that particular part; if there is some reason or need for her to record him that ultimately benefits her goal of preventing people from using powers, feel free to explain. In regards to his lunging for the camera, which was mentioned in the previous line, he had already stopped the moment she disappeared. He in fact is dazed for a moment trying to process what happened and is in no way able to do anything to Tomori, yet you argue that there was some need, some necessity, for her to beat him down? In fact, the only justification that you provided that "you'd be pretty pissed off too". If that reasoning were all it took to beat a person up, no progress would be made at all! Finally, regarding the doctor example and your rebuttal, what action of the MC would constitute him biting at Tomori? Would it be his stopped attempt to retrieve the camera? Did he insult her height while I was not looking? That aside, your point ultimately does not disprove that in both Tomori and the hypothetical doctor's case, their courses of action are completely uncalled for and unrelated to solving the problem. The Bottom Line Ultimately, everything above can be debated further, but that is irrelevant. Why? The original problem was never an issue of whether Tomori or the MC was/is correct. A red herring. In fact, 9 out of 10 people would conclude that the way she does things is the most efficient way. However, it is because she chooses to do things like this that she is unlikable, even detested, which is in fact the subject matter of this thread. "You get what you deserve"; one of the many debatable tenets in life in terms of religion, philosophy, and the like. What it boils down to is that each person should be responsible for themselves and live with the decisions that they make; in fact, for those who have watched, this was one of the many messages of STEINS;GATE, although it is a concept well understood without. Tomori not only is interfering with others, but she is doing so for herself, not them. How did I reach this conclusion? Simply put, from what we have seen thus far in the past two episodes, understanding each person and providing an alternative solution is not in her itinerary; as long as the person stops using their power, her mission is done. Compared to most Key/VA protagonists, or most protagonists in general, Tomori is not shown to be emotionally vested in the problems of her peers, much less the people she is trying to stop from using their powers. You said that if the intentions are well-meaning, then that's what counts, but are they? Why must she keep others from ending up like her brother? Is it because she is genuinely concerned for each individual? Neither her methods nor her personality seem to suggest this. My answer is that there is something that compels her to do this; it may be a mental dependence, it may be (as some posts have mentioned) the coercion of scientists, or it may be because doing so makes her feel better about herself. Who knows. Nobody yet. After all, we've only seen two episodes. Anyways, that's my two cents on this matter. You, or anybody can feel free to discuss this further, but unless you can answer why Nao Tomori is likable in such a way that you can convince everyone here, or a majority at least, you are ultimately getting sidetracked. |
archonidasJul 14, 2015 2:38 AM
Jul 14, 2015 3:24 AM
#138
I skipped to the bottom -_- I’m sorry. I’m not in the mood for reading right now. English isn’t my first language and I’m not excellent at debating so please bear with me. It’s alright if you missed up cause and intention. Everyone makes poor word choices. Overall, you do make rather interesting points. archonidas said: 1. The original problem was never an issue of whether Tomori or the MC was/is correct. What Nao is doing might be morally right according to me, but moral righteousness differs from religion-to-religion, person-to-person. I really don’t want to bring up religion in an argument. But personally, I think that Tomori and Yuu’s narcissistic attitude leaves a lot of room for character development. This is only an opinion. Don't take this seriously. archonidas said: "You get what you deserve"; one of the many debatable tenets in life in terms of religion, philosophy, and the like. What it boils down to is that each person should be responsible for themselves; Tomori not only is interfering with others, but she is doing so for herself, not them. How did I reach this conclusion? Simply put, from what we have seen thus far in the past two episodes, understanding each person and providing an alternative solution is not in her itinerary; as long as the person stops using their power, her mission is done. I basically disagree with that quote, but as you say, it’s debatable. I agree that each individual should be responsible for themselves. But that does not mean that we stop looking after each other. Student Council Presidents exist for a reason. Take orphanages, for example. Orphanages [Nao’s school]are opened for the purpose of sheltering orphans [supernatural beings]. Then there might be the Headmistress [Nao], who’s basic purpose is to locate orphans and take them in. I know this parallel sounds really stupid, but it sounds plausible to me. On the contrary, I can understand why you would dislike her self-righteousness. It’s OK. But on a sidenote, that would not earn her the title of ‘b*tch’ or ‘c*nt’. Also, the official site remarks her as 'narcissistic'- so I’m unaware of what others expected. Perhaps this self-righteousness is intentional? Two episodes are too short to judge. Archonidas said: Compared to most Key/VA protagonists, or most protagonists in general, Tomori is not shown to be emotionally vested in the problems of her peers, much less the people she is trying to stop from using their powers. SPOILER! But I’ve noticed in KEY that most characters are morally righteous. Take Kanade from Angel Beats!, and she became the Student Council President in order to help her fellow students graduate- along with thanking Yuzuru. Nagisa from Clannad is a meek and selfless girl. Also, take Nakamura Yuri. She wants students to join the SSS to rebel against God, acting like a leader for those around her. Admittedly, Tomori does seem rather concerned about the discovery of the supernatural powers rather than the person themselves. Not much has been revealed about Tomori. We’ll have to watch Charlotte further if we want an explanation- if it does provide one, that is. If it doesn’t, then you’re right. archonidas said: You said that if the intentions are well-meaning, then that's what counts, but are they? Why must she keep others from ending up like her brother? Is it because she is genuinely concerned for each individual? Neither her methods nor her personality seem to suggest this. My answer is that there is something that compels her to do this; it may be a mental dependence, it may be (as some posts have mentioned) the coercion of scientists, or it may be because doing so makes her feel better about herself. Sometimes intentions are messed up. You think you’re doing what’s right, but it’s causing problems for others. This, I believed is the problem of Nao. As said before, we’ll have to watch the series to know. As you said, she doesn’t seem genuinely concerned about anyone. But she does seem to care about Ayumi, and I think that’s mainly because Ayumi reminds Nao of herself. My guesses are that something is wrong with this school. A coerce of the scientists. archonidas said: You, or anybody can feel free to discuss this further, but unless you can answer why Nao Tomori is likable in such a way that you can convince everyone here, or a majority at least, you are ultimately getting sidetracked. My purpose wasn’t to convince anyone that Nao is unlikable . Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My reason for writing this was to convince that Nao is not a b*tch or c*nt. I can’t convince Yuu_vi_Britannia, that’s for sure. Even if someone thinks she if, I would consider a hate thread unnecessary. Anyway, thanks for putting up your argument, Archonidas. I enjoyed reading it. |
Lovebird12Jul 14, 2015 3:29 AM
Jul 14, 2015 12:24 PM
#139
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Nao is extremely is narcissistic, violent, abusive, debauched, egocentric, delusions of grandeur, everything the she does is the correct, owner of the truth, your opinions, desires and wills are always priorities in relation with those of other people. It's really a shame that his passion for his favorite character, is preventing you from see facts and scenes shown by the anime. you're just trying to ignore or is just pretending not to see the scenes and facts, shown by the anime. I also see many other users doing the same. I never said Nao did nothing wrong. If you did happen to read my argument, which I assume you did not, you’ll see that I admitted to Nao acting emotionally detached. First of all, she is rather narcissistic. It’s purely intentional, I tell you. You’re free to bitch about it, since no one’s listening. Violent? No. She’s not violent. Had she displayed any kind of aggression towards anyone other than Yuu, I would admit to it. As seen, she did sort out a peaceful solution with the Archery Captain. Why the archery guy and not Yuu? Because the archery dude's actions were justified, and Yuu's abuse of his powers weren't. Also, Nao's actions would only count as 'abuse of powers' if she used them for her own personal ends, as Yuu did. I don’t think you’re one to judge the morality of a character,. All moral standards are not the same for people. Illusions of grandeur? No. I have never seen Nao imagine herself as some sort of hero for others. For whatever reason she's recruiting others, the series will explain hopefully If you bothered consulting my profile, I’m a girl. I’m not ignoring a single fact. Enlighten me if I did. I think that you’re in denial of the fact that you're unintentionally demonizing Nao. This misogynist view of ignoring Yuu's twisted personality while lime-lighting Nao is ignorance on your part. So it's hypocritical of you to call Nao 'egoistical' and 'debauched' when Yuu is pretty much the same. The anime does not appose my opinion. It supports it, as I have given authentic proof. It's a shame that your husbandos, Yuu and Lelouch, are completely generic douchebags. Common sense belies you. Even to troll, you need a brain. |
Jul 15, 2015 11:50 PM
#140
Marshy-kun said: L O LAlso, Yuu_vi_Britannia, I think you can go open a History textbook right now. Preferably, Otosaka Ayumi’s? Hitler, Stalin and Mao did not have good intentions. Hitler’s intention wasn’t to make Germany a better place, but to rather wipe Jews off the face of the Earth. Proved, as he invaded other countries and opened concentration camps for Jews in them. Good goy. |
Jul 16, 2015 12:09 AM
#141
This Nao Tomori is a sore eyes to me and she will only ruined my fandom for Idols |
The current game that i play: Azur Lane :3 |
Jul 16, 2015 12:59 AM
#142
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: I think this part can be ignored OK? Because I think you're just laughing at my face. I am laughing at your face. At how stupid this is. I would only consider Nao violent if she had initiated the situation. I have not seen the Episode 3 preview, and I have no intention to. I consider previews misleading. I will watch the episode when it streams and let you know what I think. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Justified? Very interesting his concept of justice. Let me see if I understand, so if I have a sad past or if I have a sick family member, i have carte blanche to to take action and do what you i well intender, too serving as a justification for commit crimes, do shit, steal and kill? Your biased view is preventing you from differentiating between ‘justified’ and excused; justified=/=excused. Doesn’t mean you’re compelled to do something [justified] (despite having other choices), mean you should do something [excused]. The archery guy ran a school blackmarket in order to pay for the operation of his parents’. He was compelled to do so- but he did so by wrong/illegal means. His and Nao’s actions are justified- not excused. On the other hand, Yuu's actions are not justified or excused. He acted rashly because he wanted to. He abuses his powers of personal game- But you do not see me making a hate-thread for him, or shouting derogatary terms at him. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Nao, just should have made a visit to home of Yu and calmly have explained the situation, different from the other case, in that case Nao had already obtained the permission his uncle for his transfer, becoming unnecessary the approach and harassment at school. I consider Nao a rational person. Before accusing Yuu, she had caught his actions on tape- because she didn’t want to be unsure. Nao did approach Yuu in a hostile manner. If Yuu had not run off like the coward he is, then Nao would have explained calmly. She did not harass him at school, neither did she bother him beside the river. She used her powers because he assaulted her. She was provoked to. And if Yuu had not run off, then Nao would have explained to him. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: The methods and means used by Nao approaches are extremely abusive, intimidating, Abusive? No. Abuse is defined as using one’s own powers for personal gain. Nao is not using these powers for her own-self. Thus, they are not abusive. Intimidating? She intimidated that Yuu because he wasn’t listening to her. I think we can draw the assumption that Nao only acts aggressively when provoked Yuu_vi_Britannia said: provocative, children, You do realize that these two words contradict each other? ‘Provocative’? I never saw Nao flaunting her panties at anyone. Nao did not provoke. Nao was provoked. Childish, I think you mean? No. A child does not try to gather evidence for an accusation. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: pride, and debauched, Prideful, she is. But as said before, moral standards differ. Just because you consider her actions morally wrong- doesn’t mean others do. So snap this word out of your dictionary, or stop looking for synonyms you don’t know the mean of , Yuu_vi_Britannia said: which causes a negative reaction at those who suffer this type of approach, generating anger, fury, and causing emotional, imbalance due to excess jeers and taunts caused by them. Clearly an abuse of authority and power. Nao was provoked. Yuu assaulted her despite the fact that Nao had not hurt him physically (She hurt him after she assaulted her). Yuu had already established himself as a violent individual when he nearly killed Yumi. Nao has never been seen taunting them. It would be taunting if she said ‘you can’t do anything against me! Hahaha!’ But she didn’t. Before using words, I recommend you analyze the character. Do yourself a huge favour and use some legitimate argument. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Any cop who use these methods are accused of abuse of authority and processed Police are intruded not to use, these methods in approaches as they may generate a negative reaction of the criminal, further complicating the situation. Objection! Cops are required to investigate before placing any accusations, like Nao did. Nao investigated and gathered proof of Yuu’s ability before confronting him. Police are not required to use physical methods- unless it is for self-defense. Nao defended herself because Yuu assaulted her. Nao is not a cop, but she acts rationally and carefully. I recommend you search up ‘Police force laws’ before babbling nonsense. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: The Nao plans are extremantes stupid, insecure and dangerous, it acts without thinking of the consequences of their acts and their actions, it her safety and of his companions, always of form abusive, provocative and mocking, provocative and mocking, always provoking the maximum and leading people addressed to your limie. Which generate great risks of retaliation, complicating more the situation. Are you using Google Translate? You can’t write a legitimate argument that way. Nao plans are not ‘insecure’. She’s shown to rather take care of her actions. She did not rush into conclusions- She did not use force against the Archery Captain- She did not abuse powers for personal gains- She did not provoke anyone. She was provoked. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: No one is saying that Yu is holy, or did not do anything wrong. More Nao also not is the goddess that their fans are trying to paint. No one said that Nao is holy, or did not do anything wrong. There are people like you who are saying that Nao is a b*tch and c*nt and did everything wrong. Applying your logic- You used provocative, stupid, insecure methods, and we retaliated accordingly. It is too quick to judge right now. Let's complete half the series, and then judge. Prankster_001 said: This Nao Tomori is a sore eyes to me and she will only ruined my fandom for Idols Also, I take it you're a troll account of Yuu_vi_Britannia? > Doesn't gain enough supporters > Creates troll account Also, why did Nao approach him at school instead of home? Nao did not know that the Uncle would tell Ayumi about the transfers over phone. She took the responsibility of telling them. If Ayumi didn't know, Yuu wouldn't have know. Also, Nao did not know where he lived! How could she visit him? The only option was school! |
Lovebird12Jul 16, 2015 1:40 AM
Jul 16, 2015 3:37 PM
#143
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Marshy-kun the troll, thinks we're the same User. Let's just ignore this Marshy-kun he is a person worthy of pity. > Can't back up arguments > Calls me pitiful Grow up, dude. The majority here considers you pitiful for rambling on about a fictional character. You basically admitted that you lack the brains to refute my arguments. Unless you can prove me wrong in such a way that would convince others of how 'pitiful' I am, you are ultimately proving yourself of being nothing more than a fool. Yuu_The_Shit said: Nothing you talk makes sense and everything is denied by the anime. At least I don't translate my messages through Google Translate or blatantly plagiarize stuff... (Because really, WTF does 'esprositto' and 'precisso' mean? Sounds like Gloria Jeans coffee. Unless you can write a statement without plagiarizing stuff with the lack of crediting the original owners and depending on the observation of those other than yourself to prove wrong an argument which relies on itself for support , you are ultimately pitiful. |
Lovebird12Jul 16, 2015 6:30 PM
Jul 17, 2015 2:14 AM
#144
Yuu_vi said: You know well that I was referring to the direct approach of a suspect. Cops do not do blackmail. Objection! ''Cops are instructed not to provoke or irritate the suspects.'' always keep the tranquil suspects and do not irritate the suspects. To not generate negative reactions and possible reprisals by the suspect. Nao is not seen blackmailing Yuu. I ask you; where did she blackmail Yuu? She did not blackmail to not give him food. I am not referring to that Episode II guy who school-smuggled a photo, but did she blackmail you. Nao did not provoke Yuu. She did not even say something like ‘You can’t do anything’ and shit. Yuu_vi said: Yes the methods she uses to approach and question the suspects are extremely abusive, intimidating, made through blackmail and debaucheries. Yes it is abuse of authority. Abuse= Using one’s own powers for personal gain. Does Nao use her powers for personal gain? Nope. She doesn’t. Ultimately, her intentions are good- As wrong as her methods may be. Yuu_vi said: So what she's doing is wrong? She does have a search warrant? She can invading private institutions, as ''schools''? Yes I agree with you, Nao is not a policeman, then she should responds criminally for these crimes. It sounds like you have serious difficulties to understand that Nao it is a normal person before the law. It has no legal authority e does not have search warrants for to invade properties and the privacy of Individuals. Porting no one has the obligation to hear it, to accept what she says or do whatever she wants and much less force people to accept their ideals. There is something that looks like you do not know, ''Freewill'' As far as we know, it was a public school. Nowhere was it hinted that the institution was a ‘private school’, so anyone could be allowed to enter. Secondly, Nao is a normal person in front of the law. As a civilian of Japan, she should respond to her actions. But Nao’s actions would only be considered ‘violent’ if it was other than self-defense. Yuu had established himself as a dangerous individual. It’s not wrong to stay on guard in front of him. What conclusion have we drawn? The institution was not private. Hence, Nao did not invade private property I’m aware of the concept of free will. You seem to be unaware of the ‘common sense’. Which in your language, would be something like ‘expricisstoshit’ Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Yu was calm until the moment where Nao, the provoked talking about the girl he had conquered. The methods and means used by Nao instigate and provoke negative reactions on the part of the suspects, she simply just annoys people through their provocations, intimidation and debaucheries. Yu only just tried to grab the camera, Nao was already invisible, Yu was no longer a threat to her, Nao cowardly as she is, beats in Yu cravenly using your power of invisibility, impossible any chance of Yu to defend. Beyond the act of cowardice to be invisible, Paola strikes several blows in Yu, act which characterizes abuse of power, completely unnecessary, just strike a blow was enough, using several blows in Yu is characterized abuse. She clearly made for pleasure and self satisfaction own, that's abuse, when a person is no more danger and you continue beating her. Yuu was not calm. Aforementioned, he had already established himself as a violent individual who was willing to hurt others for his gain. Should such a person be mistaken as 'calm'? Do not confuse ‘invisible’ with ‘non-touchable’. Admittedly, Nao was invisible, so she had no chance of being seen. But when someone assaults you, he needs a beating. Aslo, Nao did not beat him because he assaulted her. Nao beat him because he had only put his life in jeopardy, but had risked the lives of other individuals. But I agree, Nao should not have kicked Yuu, even if he deserved. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Against facts there are no arguments But when your facts are unproven, arguments are needed to justify. Yuu_v9 said: More you run away from facts, and try to ignore the physical evidence, making excuses. I do not know if you noticed, more my point is just prove that Nao also errs, and does wrong choices and It is not the saint that his fan believe it is. You ever seen one of my argument asking Nao to die or saying Nao deserved to die? Really? Because you took the initiative to make anti-Nao collages. I don’t like Yuu either. But you don’t see me calling him a d*ck or a b*tch like you called Nao. Correct- Nao errs. She is somewhat wrong in her approach, and she’s not a saint. She’s a human being, and she can do wrong. But does erring make you a b*tch, like you call Nao? No. It simply makes you human. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: What I hate is when people use the excuse of a sad past or a tragedy as an excuse to justify the attitudes and actions taken by the character. There are tropes we all hate, and it’s alright. But I can sympathize with Nao. Her actions are justified, though never excused. In the end, two episodes are a rather small time-frame to judge a character. Thanks for writing this, Yuu_vi_Britannia! Enjoyed reading it. Also, Yuu_vi said: The same thing is happening again in Charlotte, where some fans use them as an excuse to justify the attitudes and actions taken by your character. I am not trying to excuse Nao's actions. The actions by her are sometimes wrong, but that's no excuse to use derogatory terms. And yay~ Another Slaine hater~ |
Lovebird12Jul 17, 2015 2:19 AM
Jul 17, 2015 2:24 AM
#145
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: I find out why we see anime differently. What you watched the anime fansub? The only reason why we see anime differently is because we're two different minds. |
Jul 17, 2015 3:04 AM
#146
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Subtitles influence. Depending on the translated words, they can give a and meaning different to a scene. Hmm... You're right there. Subtitles do tend to have in impact on the user. I use English subtitles. I can understand it, but I have difficulty writing it and conversing in it. Words have two meanings. But whatever. Opinions differ. Let's just hope that Charlotte will be an anime worth of time. I'm looking forward to episode 3. |
Jul 17, 2015 7:34 AM
#147
DarklordVor said: No, the truck driver made it without injures.RIP Truck Driver who got into this mess. Nao who have been recording him this whole time knows that a beating is what that guy deserved. |
Jul 17, 2015 8:32 AM
#148
Shes a big reason why this show is awful. You can just tell the writers want you to like her with how they play off her meddling and behavior as humorous and at the same time they try to have you feel sorry for her as a person. But she just comes off as really annoying and kind of a bitch. And its amazing that I hate her character that much considering she isn't doing anything wrong at all. I suppose that's the point because if she was doing bad things and I hated her, I would respect the writing of this show for not trying to preach at you to like a character. MC is also a terrible impersonation of Light Yagami (atleast in ep 1). And I hated Death Note already. |
Jul 17, 2015 9:43 AM
#149
VKDOOM said: Shes a big reason why this show is awful. You can just tell the writers want you to like her with how they play off her meddling and behavior as humorous and at the same time they try to have you feel sorry for her as a person. But she just comes off as really annoying and kind of a bitch. And its amazing that I hate her character that much considering she isn't doing anything wrong at all. I suppose that's the point because if she was doing bad things and I hated her, I would respect the writing of this show for not trying to preach at you to like a character. MC is also a terrible impersonation of Light Yagami (atleast in ep 1). And I hated Death Note already. I see you bitching on Charlotte and P.A. Works everywhere. Do you really have nothing else to do? You can't stop this show being great and popular and you clearly are losing your time. |
Jul 17, 2015 9:50 AM
#150
Hrybami said: VKDOOM said: Shes a big reason why this show is awful. You can just tell the writers want you to like her with how they play off her meddling and behavior as humorous and at the same time they try to have you feel sorry for her as a person. But she just comes off as really annoying and kind of a bitch. And its amazing that I hate her character that much considering she isn't doing anything wrong at all. I suppose that's the point because if she was doing bad things and I hated her, I would respect the writing of this show for not trying to preach at you to like a character. MC is also a terrible impersonation of Light Yagami (atleast in ep 1). And I hated Death Note already. I see you bitching on Charlotte and P.A. Works everywhere. Do you really have nothing else to do? You can't stop this show being great and popular and you clearly are losing your time. think i only mentioned this in some other thread. My biggest disappointment of the season was this show because I really loved Nagi-Asu from PA Works and then they go ahead and make Asslip and this. Haven't seen Shirobako yet (mainly because the plot doesn't really sound appealing even though it seems alot of people liked it), but I really don't have anything against PA Works considering Nagi-Asu is one of my fav animes out there. This is just an awful show. |
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