| i can agree fanservice can be obssesive with rush but honestly its a fundimental of ecchie |
Zergneedsfood said: CG-Silver said: Yeah, I forgot to add that people should learn how to judge people and how much you actually trust their opinion on anything too. :3When people keep telling you that Highschool DxD has a good plot and is not all ecchi, you have to give it a try despite the cover. Plot was just alright except that ecchi scenes kept popping out every second. I learned from my mistakes. (• ε •) |
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kidanime3d said: I have been watching anime for over 20 years now, and one trend that just won't die is the increase in fan service. I now use it to determine whether an anime is worth bothering with at all rather than watching it properly. It seems that the creator knows that there anime is either poor quality or generic cookie cutter that they spice things up to improve dvd and figurine sells. What do you lot think? I quit acting like some virgin in watching ecchi or hentai anime. |
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kidanime3d said: I found Danmachi boring TBH, there wasn't anything there to keep me interested. Plus having already watched tower of druaga, SAO, Ragnarok, and Log Horizon among others; the story gave me deja vu. Danmachi ep 8 is legendary, you should keep watching. |
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| There's something called the ecchi tag, quite easy to ignore anime with it or better yet use your own eyes on the cover or first five minutes of the show. Other people like it, if you don't then just don't watch it. |
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| To Love Ru Darkness will go down as the greatest of all fan service. Fan service is love. |
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| Does fanservice kinda suck...yes, but it is here to stay my friend. With a crowded market and a so-so economy fanservice increases the number of revenue steams a project has access to though merchandise. What do you think sells all those hug pillows, art books, and scantily clad figures? It also boosts the existing revenue streams like home media sales. Will people buy dvds of your so-so series? Maybe a few. Will people buy the dvds when your series has a lot of censored boob shots on the tv broadcast and they will be uncensored on the dvd? Hell yes they will. |
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| Boobs (your vote) Fanservice is cool, it doesn't make a show bad. If a show is bad it would also be bad without fanservice. |
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John_h said: With that logic you could tag literally every anime with ecchi and suddenly all their fanservice would be justified. So it's not quite that simpleCG-Silver said: Either you are a pervert who thinks that these scenes are normal or you haven't watched enough shit like Highschool of the Dead, DxD etc.... Despite the fact that I wouldn't consider myself a pervert, I'd never even consider criticizing fanservice in an ecchi show. I mean series like HotD or Highschool DxD are clearly labelled as ecchi series, so complaining about them for being what they are is a little, ... shall we say 'not so smart'? I would perfectly understand the issue if we had loads of fanservice in a series in which you're not expecting to see it, but from my experience that simply isn't the case. |
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babymimi said: Don't watch anything that has an ecchi tag it's that simple. If it's ecchi mixed with shonen I often skip it, cuz then it's often those irritating chicks running around and showing their panties. But when it's mixed with seinen it's often more viewable. And also of course it's depends on what anime it is. |
HaXXspetten said: Yeah, that's one of the things I hate about DxD.Though yes, DxD is pretty terrible as well in that sense. One second it's trying to have some mythological fantasy story, and then the next second Issei is ripping girls' clothes apart, telepathically communicating with their boobs and sucking on Rias's nipples. Like uhhh okay? Make up your damn mind wtf... I remember one scene in particular where Issei was having a serious conversation with Gasper and I was thinking 'Wow, I know I give this show a bad rap but this is actually a really nice moment'. Until the scene gets broken up by a comedy sequence where Issei talks about using Gasper's powers to freeze time so he can see up skirts and play with Rias' tits. And how does Gasper respond to this? 'You may be a perv, but you're a nice perv. No one's ever said they were jealous of my powers'. Then Issei starts talking about channelling his powers into Rias' boobs. Fucking quality writing right there. Of course, that joke was just so funny that the author thought it was worth ruining one of the few legitimately nice moments in the entire series just so he could haphazardly shove it in somewhere. |
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| One of the ecchi shows I like is manyu hikenchou, and even then it was more or less a decent attempt to capitalize on the ridiculous of fanservice and the focus on large breast in society and what not. It wallows in its ridiculous premise and I liked it, and its not too far off to say it offered some basic social commentary on our obsession, particularly anime's obsession, with large breasts. |
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| I started parasite the other day, and was a little disappointed with the fan service as when reading the manga I don't remember there being any at all, or at least to the extent of the first episode anyway, but as you can see just by the comments on here alone, or the other threads that have been made regarding fan service it caters to majority of the target fan base, and people just like boobs..... I don't mind the odd little scene aslong as it doesn't detract from a story, but when its just their as the main attraction of the show that's when I show no interest... it also annoys me when they throw in a random beach episode. |
| i just ignore most of the ecchi and i'm good to go. |
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John_h said: My point was that just because something has ecchi tagged, that doesn't mean it can have literally whatever fanservice it pleases and still be tolerated for the sole reason that you knew it would have fanservice beforehand. There's good fanservice and there's bad fanservice after allHaXXspetten said: With that logic you could tag literally every anime with ecchi and suddenly all their fanservice would be justified. So it's not quite that simple And why would you tag something to 'justify fanservice'? Genre tags are there to describe the content focus of a series (which, at least on MAL, is usually done pretty accurately), so if you're going into a show which has been tagged ecchi fully knowing that you dislike fanservice, then that's really your problem. You should be fully aware of what you're getting yourself into before you're even watching the show, and outside of ecchi tagged series, I have literally never seen this so-called 'blatant fanservice'. Sure, every now and again you'll come across a scene that has a very favorable viewing angle, but I could count the amount of times in which that actually broke the immersion on a single hand. Like take Naruto for example, everyone hates on the fillers in it. They know the show has tons of fillers before they start watching it, but that doesn't mean the fillers somehow end up any better when they actually see them. Crap is still crap regardless of whether it's expected or not, and the same is true for poorly executed fanservice even if it does happen to be in an ecchi anime |
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HaXXspetten said: Guess I can quote myself from a different thread, more or less the same discussion: HaXXspetten said: Well.. honestly I watch essentially all genres of anime other than yaoi so yeah sure I watch ecchi too. "Like it so much" however might be an exaggeration, because in reality... the vast majority of all ecchi anime utilizes said ecchi elements in very immature and stupid ways that only makes you roll your eyes. However that doesn't mean good ecchi doesn't exist, and when it's actually done right then it can be very enjoyable. In my mind there are three ways you can make ecchi good. One is to use it for pure comedy by using it for sex jokes and similar (like Seitokai Yakuindomo or B Gata H Kei). The second is to use it as a supporting element for romance in order to make it more realistic. Sadly this part is very rare to find in anime but it's not rare at all in ecchi/romance manga (Suzuka, Ichigo 100% etc) and in those scenarios I wholeheartedly support it. It makes it out not as fanservice but as a part of life (which after all, it is) in a much more mature sense. The third and final option is to tackle the matter directly and simply go full on lewdness (To LOVE-Ru Darkness, Kiss x Sis for example). By being extreme enough to be considered borderline hentai then it can actually be naughty enough to be hot for once, and by not even trying to mix in some sort of serious story which no one cares about then the overall experience is a lot more satisfying, albeit very simplistic. The biggest problem with ecchi anime is the formula they follow more often than not, namely as some sort of action/fantasy/ecchi/harem combination or similar. A male protagonist surrounded by a group of girls, fighting some other beings for whatever reason in some cheap plot whilst showing off their exaggerated cleavages and panties whenever possible during the fight scenes. This to me is totally pointless because you can't really enjoy the fanservice when the story is trying to be serious, and you can't take the story seriously when there are tits absolutely everywhere. In other words it's counterproductive as hell. This is the main reason I don't really like series like DxD, Sekirei, Hagure Yuusha or similar. That, and also the heroines in those series tend to be all tits and zero personality which I don't really find attractive. Too superficial. So that being said, for the most part no I don't really like ecchi anime, but that's more because of the fact that most of said anime are bad to begin with, there's nothing wrong with the genre itself and there definitely are a handful of good ones out there. It must also be stated that generally ecchi is made out a *lot* better in manga, light novels and visual novels. And the reason for this is that they all utilize text and no animated movements. In other words they can't just get away with having their fanservice consist of nothing more than swaying tits and panty shots, but rather they actually have to put in some serious effort and creativity into the text itself in order to make their lewd moments actually feel hot. Therefore I think ecchi is much more tasteful, original and just plain better in those kinds of mediums compared to anime. As for why I like it when it actually is done correctly..... well I guess I'm just a pervert at heart. Can't really get around that fact~ :> This is an excellent post. It's one of the better comments I've read here. I'm only familiar with ecch-fanservice, so I'll comment on that. Look at pictures from new anime (High School DXD, High School of the Dead, Strike Witches, Freezing) and the sexuality is very aggressive. They all borrowed Green Green's sexual predator approach. It seems there's no fun to this sexuality. Even Date A Live, which had it in decent doses fell to it in the second season. It's all about pushing the envelope, something all art forms have been doing since the beginning of time. |
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John_h said: Do you really need high standards to criticise a show like DxD?HaXXspetten said: My point was that just because something has ecchi tagged, that doesn't mean it can have literally whatever fanservice it pleases and still be tolerated for the sole reason that you knew it would have fanservice beforehand. There's good fanservice and there's bad fanservice after all So you're saying it's not the fanservice itself but rather how it's been executed? I suppose being a pervert with high standards is hard, lol. I mean, I'm a MASSIVE pervert (Just ask HaXX) and I watch anime more for enjoyment than anything else. But ecchi is probably one of the few genres I can say with confidence is, with a few exceptions, mostly garbage. |
SeibaaHomuJul 3, 2015 2:48 AM
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| Yeah, the ecchi tag is not really informative. It just tells us whether sexual fanservice is present or not but says nothing about its type or about the amount a show has. The thing is that I doubt that fanservice is just a love or hate thing with nothing in between. I'd argue that most fall somewhat in between the two extremities. They might oppose the type of ecchi that borders on pornography but are still ok with subtler forms. So telling to simply "ignore" ecchi tagged anime is just a flawed advice. |
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SeibaaHomu said: John_h said: Do you really need high standards to criticise a show like DxD?So you're saying it's not the fanservice itself but rather how it's been executed? I suppose being a pervert with high standards is hard, lol. I mean, I'm a MASSIVE pervert (Just ask HaXX) and I watch anime more for enjoyment than anything else. But ecchi is probably one of the few genres I can say with confidence is, with a few exceptions, mostly garbage. Ecchiness in DxD (and Souma) is an annoying hindrance, those shows are actually excellent, but would be much even better without it. |
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RayAdha said: SeibaaHomu said: Do you really need high standards to criticise a show like DxD? I mean, I'm a MASSIVE pervert (Just ask HaXX) and I watch anime more for enjoyment than anything else. But ecchi is probably one of the few genres I can say with confidence is, with a few exceptions, mostly garbage. Ecchiness in DxD (and Souma) is an annoying hindrance, those shows are actually excellent, but would be much even better without it. What? Are you being serious? Even being the LN's fan I know it wouldn't make it any better. |
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| Absolutely disturbing. -_- Its seems like most of the anime shows nowadays got it. Pretty disturbing. |
yu3 said: Absolutely disturbing. -_- Its seems like most of the anime shows nowadays got it. Pretty disturbing. So... is it absolutely disturbing or pretty disturbing? |
RayAdha said: As much as praise as it gets the writing in DxD is not that great. Without the fanservice, it would just be a generic fantasy series about demons and chess and stuff. The show would probably suck just as much ass. It just wouldn't be anywhere near as popular.SeibaaHomu said: Do you really need high standards to criticise a show like DxD? I mean, I'm a MASSIVE pervert (Just ask HaXX) and I watch anime more for enjoyment than anything else. But ecchi is probably one of the few genres I can say with confidence is, with a few exceptions, mostly garbage. Ecchiness in DxD (and Souma) is an annoying hindrance, those shows are actually excellent, but would be much even better without it. |
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John_h said: Of course it's about execution, isn't everything? That's like saying all action series have equally good action scenes, which is quite obviously not the caseHaXXspetten said: My point was that just because something has ecchi tagged, that doesn't mean it can have literally whatever fanservice it pleases and still be tolerated for the sole reason that you knew it would have fanservice beforehand. There's good fanservice and there's bad fanservice after all So you're saying it's not the fanservice itself but rather how it's been executed? I suppose being a pervert with high standards is hard, lol. SeibaaHomu said: This is just a "what if" situation so you can't really say for sure, but DxD's main problem is how incompatible its ecchi and serious elements are. If it was to get rid of one of them, then yeah it would probably be better, at least in theory. However as you say, the writing really isn't that good to begin with so I don't really think it'd be that good even if it didn't have fanserviceRayAdha said: As much as praise as it gets the writing in DxD is not that great. Without the fanservice, it would just be a generic fantasy series about demons and chess and stuff. The show would probably suck just as much ass. It just wouldn't be anywhere near as popular.Ecchiness in DxD (and Souma) is an annoying hindrance, those shows are actually excellent, but would be much even better without it. |
HaXXspettenJul 3, 2015 4:28 AM
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| I think the only story I've seen which really manages to combine plot with fanservice smoothly is Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance (the light novels that is; the anime only covers the prologue which is basically just filler). And the reason for that is quite simply that while it does do both... it doesn't do both at the same time. In other words when it's being serious and progressing the story, having fight scenes etcetera, then it is in fact a serious story through and through. Then in-between those parts, when the characters are just hanging out at home waiting for the next part of the storyline to start, that's when it has fanservice scenes; when the characters are just interacting with each other naturally. In other words, it never feels forced and it never feels out of place or distracting from the plot, and all of a sudden... it works out just fine. Timing is everything when it comes to fanservice, and Blade Dance is probably the best example I can think of for that purpose |
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