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Apr 22, 2013 8:46 PM

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I'm disappointed. I wanted to see some action in the series. For an ultimate weapon, we barely see her in action. The most was in this last episode, and it was only a few seconds. Too many secondary characters die. That's fine, but they should've gone deeper into the characterization of those characters. The last is the enemy. They never explained the conflict, why there were earthquakes, and those spiky things in the air. The world was ending, but they never explained why either.

I could excuse all of that if they showed more action scenes, or focused more on the plot. In the end, neither was able to meet my expectations. They had the right idea for a plot, but it wasn't well developed. I'd give it a 5/10
 
May 15, 2013 10:09 AM
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To all those who are upset about the ending, I think there is a huge theme that was portrayed that you might have missed, and it makes the ending so much better: "Love conquers all".

As far as my interpretation of the the ending... Had Chise not fully loved Shuji, the weapon likely would have completely taken her over, to the point where none of the original Chise remained. This gave Shuji the chance to spend the time with the fully weaponized version of her, pulling Chise's memories to the surface. Had Shuji not fully loved Chise and was not able to remind her of the love they shared, he would've been killed like everyone else. While Chise was able to save Shuji, it left him alone on a barren planet devoid of life, and without Chise. It was Shuji's love for Chise that revitalized the world and restored Chise, even if it was just in his mind (or Chise's?). It was their love for one another that allowed them to still be together, even after the destruction of the world, if only for a short while longer. That to me is still beautiful.


You got it buddy. I hope you read my response because I think you were one of the few people here who actually got it. Everyone says the ending is unsatisfactory because the ending is just his fantasy. You guys missed the point.

The story is not about war. It's not about Shuji. It's not a conflict between her and the world. It's a story about Chise, and her struggle as she becomes less human. But the love between the two of them plays a fundamental role to the resolution of the plot. Had it not been for the love, shit would have hit the fan.

But Chise realized she could PROTECT rather than DESTROY or KILL. She did so because she LOVED Shuji, and only a human can LOVE. Her body was destroyed and her soul trapped within that body was free. It was free to live and become one with Shuji.

Was it his fantasy? No. It was real. She was set free and she realized she was human; she had a soul; she was in love.

I read online a lot of people saying she was eventually no longer human. But she was just TRAPPED. The title literally translates as "She, the Ultimate Weapon", but do you know what it is referring to? Are you sure? What was the ultimate weapon? Her body? Or Chise's spirit? Because her body was the most powerful, destructive thing on the planet, right? But at the end, remember how her body came back to Shuji, and was confused? As in, why am I here, why did "Chise" bring me [the body/weapon] here? But Chise's soul is able to push through the body/machine and show her love for Shuji. In the end, she was powerful enough to destroy this weapon, this machine.

I'm not trying to force my opinions onto anyone else, but this IS the ending. Who dies or why there was war is not necessarily important. What is important is that the conflict is 100% within Chise. She wants to know if she's human. She figures that out and destroys the weapon. I've worded it very simply but that's what happens. She sets herself free and is able to love Shuji as they had intended.

Try to think of it more abstractly rather than concretely. So and so dying or this thing being the ultimate weapon...too concrete! Look at the bigger picture!

Daturian I think you might be the only person on here who git it lol. I've learned this site is a crock for those with truly analytical and creative minds. Sorry for the harsh words but if you didn't get what i said above then go watch one piece or some shit. Saikano is easily one of the most powerful love stories and overcoming adversity stories ever envisioned.

Everything about this anime was brilliant. A complete story with only 13 episodes would ordinarily be too rushed but it was done so well. The music was absolutely amazing. No I did not like the OP or ED. I would not enjoy listening to them. But analyzing art does not stem from one's opinion. The music was perfectly used in this anime.

It was also incredibly realistic. Cheating, lies, deceitfulness, the whole nine yards. But it goes to show that love conquers all, even through the negativity. Unfortunately for a lot of myanimelist goers, death, cheating, lying, and a little blood is too much to handle. Because when you close your eyes, the monsters go away, right? Part of the reason I loved this anime so much was because it was so fucking real. People die. People often die painful deaths. People cheat. People lie. People hurt. It's like how sometimes people have a hard time finding their way through life. They fail in school. They lose their friends. They lose their money. They lose their minds. But if they keep at it and never lose sight on what they are after, they end up with what they want. That's what happened in Saikano. Through all the negativity, things worked out.

If you can't see that, then my only regret is that you did not perceive the story the way it was meant to be seen; and thus, you did not understand the theme, plot, and conflict.

I know I am bringing back an old thread no one gives two shits about but if one person reads this and realizes it, I'm happy. Think about what I said, watch the anime again from START to FINISH, and it will fall into place.

10/10 no contest
 
May 15, 2013 10:16 AM
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I'm disappointed. I wanted to see some action in the series. For an ultimate weapon, we barely see her in action. The most was in this last episode, and it was only a few seconds. Too many secondary characters die. That's fine, but they should've gone deeper into the characterization of those characters. The last is the enemy. They never explained the conflict, why there were earthquakes, and those spiky things in the air. The world was ending, but they never explained why either.

I could excuse all of that if they showed more action scenes, or focused more on the plot. In the end, neither was able to meet my expectations. They had the right idea for a plot, but it wasn't well developed. I'd give it a 5/10


My friend, it is not about war, or what happened in the war. Go watch star wars if you want to see that.

And there was BOUNTIFUL characterization. Yukari, remember how she died? Her bf dies, she mourns, pretends to be ok, finds another guy in haste, and realizes all of this and kills that motherfucker out of vengeance. She admits she still loves Take. Both the enemy and Yukari die, because in war, NO ONE WINS.

The characterization was perfect.
 
May 21, 2013 12:55 PM

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Liked this anime and hated it too. Eventually I got frustrated with all the "I love you", "I just wanted to disappear", "Don't say that!", yadda yadda yadda....ugh. Other moments (like when Masa was hit but Shuji didn't even bleed) made me facepalm. However I liked the depressing tone and situation the world was in.

When I heard about this I heard it was super depressing. It is, but while watching it I didn't feel anything. Not even a whine or sniff came out of me. I understand that it was more about Chise and Shuji than the conflict, but the rest says everything:
Animatronix said:
I'm disappointed. I wanted to see some action in the series. For an ultimate weapon, we barely see her in action. The most was in this last episode, and it was only a few seconds. Too many secondary characters die. That's fine, but they should've gone deeper into the characterization of those characters. The last is the enemy. They never explained the conflict, why there were earthquakes, and those spiky things in the air. The world was ending, but they never explained why either.

I could excuse all of that if they showed more action scenes, or focused more on the plot. In the end, neither was able to meet my expectations. They had the right idea for a plot, but it wasn't well developed. I'd give it a 5/10
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Oct 4, 2013 11:52 PM

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A tentative 8/10.
Sort of like the ending to Evangelion.

One of the most depressing anime I've seen, still I didn't cry though. I think this needs a lot more character building before the depressing stuff kicked in. It needs more of a contrast, more scenes not focusing purely on the war or sad romance.
 
Apr 17, 2014 6:40 PM

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The plot holes and the ending kinda reminded me of Evangelion.

Yeah it's sad and tragic but I never shed a tear for this one. 6/10
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May 21, 2014 9:28 PM

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Daturian said:
To all those who are upset about the ending, I think there is a huge theme that was portrayed that you might have missed, and it makes the ending so much better: "Love conquers all".

10/10 no contest


Agreed. The world survived its end, even if it was only in Shuji's heart. The ending was depressing to be sure; I am not sure whether Shuji's last scenes is reality or merely a beautiful delusion that will help him cope in the time he has left. I've always thought that they should re-release this series with Shuji's eventual death at its conclusion.
 
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Not many Anime could make me stand up and applaud but at the end of the show, I was doing just that. It's one of my top 5 favorite Anime.
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Sep 20, 2014 10:22 AM

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What a finale full of special effects, all the budget for this project was saved for this
This apocalyptic end of the world which only seems consist Japan, the US and other English speaking nations was unreal

Although the animation quality is quite bad at times I think when aired back in 2002 it was acceptable
The OP animation reminded me of Last Exile from the same studio

Saikano excels in the lines and dialogues overall (minus Shuu favorite returning words: Chise and Aho) the first half was really good with Shuuji and Chise's romantic relationship
After that with the intensifing war there were great highs like Shuuji and Chise managing to be faithful somehow and terrible lows such as the kill scenes where the survivor doesn't make any sense

At the final of the tenth run the fansubgroup had a nice warning message about things ended with a happy end and continueing till towards the last would hurt and be painful which was kind of ironic from what has been presented so far
The last three episodes turned out to be some kind of "After Story" a lot of more shows seems to be inspired by Saikano such as Freezing and Ars Nova

I liked the voicecast bringing the emotional scenes convincingly even if the script of some were horrendous
Love scenes and the complicated relations visited were interesting, Shuuji was like a Casanova while Chise battling for the Nation

A remake with a better directed and todays animation level would certainly be a masterpiece
I would watch it even knowing the story already
 
Dec 24, 2014 9:22 AM

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"We don't really need to know WHY there was a war and such. Going into so many details would just be tedious and make this more action than it is love and tragedy. Use your imagination, resources running out, someone set off a nuke, etc. etc. Stop asking all these questions and just use your imagination lmao"

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and it would have been off topic, because the hero doesn't know that, so the spectator is not supposed to know these informations as well.

if the anime is "plenty of holes", it's done on purpose.
I can't understand why people are acting like that each time an anime ends.
sometimes, it's justified, but most of the time they don't understand why it doesn't explain things.
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Jan 11, 2015 4:12 AM

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A great conclusion to Saikano. Their world may have ended, their loved ones may not be there anymore, but one thing's never changed throughout: their undying love. Like many others, I am a fan of sci-fi and at many times did rage at the lack of logic and reasoning behind the war concept and the abrupt apocalypse - but you know, this is a love story. Surprisingly, the ending to me was a very happy conclusion, compared to the endless amount of tragedy we have endured all the way up to episode 10. (The fansubbers even gave me a warning at the end of episode 10, ironically.) In fact, from 11 onwards is when this anime shines, and did its fullest.

I may have found myself many-a-times empty and stunned, brain powered-out; still, I can't say I despise this love story, something which is decent. A surprising subtopic to consider: the dichotomy of life and death. Many times I found myself questioning the pain of living on, and the bliss of death in this anime. Obviously, in no way am I saying death is better than living, but if one is in the situation of Saikano, death may not be so scary after all.

The other recurring symbol in this anime is morality. Humanity have tresspassed on this concept in history countless of times, regressing ourselves into mindless beasts; either for survival or for power. Yes, humans are the ones that end up bringing themselves down. Saikano is one of the very few anime which dared to touch on this topic, although with a steampunk-esque outlook to it.

I have to admit that I didn't really liked the concept of a human-turned-WMD. While it did serve as the main plot device of the love story and the surrounding tragedy, I disliked it not just for its nonsense, but also for its method to evoke despair in this anime. This made it feel unnaturally forced, and also boring as it gets repetitive.

Although, I have to reiterate that the entire anime was decent at its own right, and the conclusion was excellent in my honest opinion. School is starting for me soon, and this is a great title to end off the holiday.
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Mar 20, 2015 10:29 AM

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The first 6 episodes was horrible but the rest was really dramatic and sad which is good :) I like the ending with the imaginary scene... it makes it less painful to watch.
 
Apr 15, 2015 9:02 PM

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Wow, that was a depressing ending to a depressing anime. Everybody died, but him. He is living in his own world pretending to be with Chise again. When he was hugging her, and then it showed him in a black empty room with nothing, as he tries to hold onto nothing, fuuuuuuuuuuck almost made me cry. It had a slow start, but really really kicked in the last 5 episodes. 8/10
 
Jun 12, 2015 1:33 PM

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I felt like this show had a lot of potential, unfortunately it didnt quite deliver.
The VA's werent that great, specifically Shuji's VA, his character didnt make it that much better.

I wish they portrayed the way the world was ending and the war a bit better, I guess it can be explained why it didnt because that's the way Shuji saw the world after all, he didnt know what was going, except what was happening in his own town.

Many of the side characters were a plus though, Akemi and Tetsu especially.
It was almost to the point I cared more for them than the 2 main characters

Overall the anime was a nice little story ... depressing though.

7/10
 
Aug 13, 2015 2:50 PM
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Wow, that was a depressing ending to a depressing anime. Everybody died, but him. He is living in his own world pretending to be with Chise again. When he was hugging her, and then it showed him in a black empty room with nothing, as he tries to hold onto nothing, fuuuuuuuuuuck almost made me cry. It had a slow start, but really really kicked in the last 5 episodes. 8/10


I think the real Chise is connected to his somehow through the strength of his memories of her. Anyway, let's just hope for his sake that he can bang her, else it will be boring for him real fast! :P
 
Aug 15, 2015 2:23 PM

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9/10
Serious, moving, and beautiful story.
I think this series couldn't have a better ending, even if it is scary a bit.
I loved almost every aspect of this anime. It was kinda rushed from time to time, this is the reason why I give only 9. But you know? this is really almost masterpiece.
I don't remember when I last watched a anime in one-run.
This is a story which is totally unforgettable.
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Oct 12, 2015 2:03 PM
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9/10
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Nov 27, 2015 9:30 AM

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Well ,that sucked if this is the last love song on this little planet then we're fucked
 
Jan 3, 2016 11:29 AM

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I will never forget the feelings this show transmitted to me.
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Feb 22, 2016 1:31 PM

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Damn what an ending! This sure was something!!!

At first I really didn't know what to expect from this but boy did this anime amaze me!

Really great character and story development I must say, together with a great portion of drama and romance as it should!

All in all a very good anime I must say, I sure liked it and I do wonder what the ova's have to offer us!
 
Jul 9, 2016 5:01 AM

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A little plot twist at the final episode. I never knew half of the Earth was destroyed.

Everyone died huh except Shuu, LOL. Earth is no more too.

They were together even though the world's ended, I see.

3/5

Overall 5/10
 
Jun 10, 7:14 PM

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Seriously powerful ending with those kind of feels that make you tear up, but more importantly, give you food for your thoughts. This series as a whole was a completely new experiences for me when it comes to the romance genre and shed light on aspects where other series didn't even move the curtain. Furthermore, it also managed to be a really amazing intra-apocalyptic war drama and depressing to boot. And I didn't expect it would play out like this. Shuji survived and Chise in a way too, but man, this whole situation is way too sad and somehow crueler than death. Being alive without any hope left, so much taken from you, you're only able to reminisce in memories. I wouldn't be able to stand it.

I'm in awe right now and still can't process all what happened.

Easy 9/10 and if some technical aspects had been done with more finesse then I probably would've even considered a full score. Will make sure to check out the manga, I'm curious and also because it might help with getting a better grasp of some aspects.
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