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Jun 17, 2015 2:44 AM

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They have:
- a technology (dolls, holographic monitors)
- a magic/gods (probably not unlimited but very powerful)
- other modern things
and they are reenacting inaccurate history (episode with spanish Armada - they are using a different ships; there were no magic/technology at that time)

Sooo... what's the point of reenacting history?
 
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Jun 18, 2015 2:32 AM

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1) 99% of the world' ground cannot be used to live in. Even the remaining 1% is pretty harsh (and it was worse a few hundred of years before, when they started that rule)
2) In a world where all nations need to coexist very close of each other due to 1), it canalise conflicts between nations and race, basically, you're only allowed to wage war as you're reenacting history. Yo ucan try to get the maximum of a specific reenacted conflict, but you'll need to follow specific points or this will be invalid. Any country trying to wage war outside of the history conflict would get all the other countries after them, forcing them to disarm and change their political power to more cooperative representatives.
This is a VERY IMPORTANT POINT because before they started to reenact history, it was a non ending total war that killed MOST of the population at that time.
3) By doing this, peoples and nations are linked toward a common goal and a common hope : they're trying to rise again outside of this planet, as their ancestor did. Since they cannot live properly on Earth, and that they know their ancestor had a technology to "rise to heaven" that was lost with the "fall", by reenacting history they're trying to follow back the path that lead humanity to that possibility. Will it be possible or not, that's another problem. But in between, it stops mortal races to kill each other without control. Too many different races and cultures are forced to live too close of each other.

What's important in reeneacting history is reenacting the important points. They will adapt it to their current situation/ technology. Each part of the history still has rules about what cannot be allowed/Need to be done even with those concessions.
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Why they are not using their current technology, magic and gods instead of fighting?
Their computers (dolls) are AI, capable of controlling 6-30 kilometers (I don't remember correctly).
Their magic can do anything (episode about Musashi magic). Look at Aoi Kimi.
for a price of

The last but not least: gods. We don't know them very much. Maybe they are capable of something more than providing "the magic".

Each part of the history still has rules about what cannot be allowed/Need to be done even with those concessions.

What about Mary Stuart. According to the anime:



As for: not fighting too much, the common goal/hope:
They have common goal. I think it was in a episode 8:

As fair I remember, every nations (aside Musashi) know about that problem. In the 2 seasons we had only.... a few minutes about it? Why they are not facing the common problem?!
 
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Jun 18, 2015 8:42 AM

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Because their current technology is just a rest of what they had, and isn't able to allow them to leave earth to live in a better place.

Gods provide service as the cost of offering. Most gods ask far more than what Kimi needed to offer here, she isn't a good example. She is basically a living entertainment for the god she worship, who probably favour her quite a bit. Also, gods service will vary with the gods, too.



There is a system of "compromise" working very well, and that give a lot of interest for countries to respect as much as possible history. Basically, you can ask for a compromise to the seiren in some circumstances to go further away from the historical reenactment than you were supposed to go. For example, in an internal strife where the country is supposed to have its own army besieging rebels and massacring the 30,000 inhabitants of that town, the country will probably ask the seiren to change that to lower the death counts to maybe 300, by making them "representatives" of the 30000. On top of this, they'll ask for volunteers with death wish, or already dead persons like living dead for the 300, effectively lowering even more the loss of citizens.
But for this to be accepted, you'll need to have shown the seiren that you're doing properly historical reenactment usually, without slacking off, and trying to respect it as much as possible. This give countries a reason to be active on the historical reenactment, because every countries has tragedies. By respecting as much as possible toward history, you're gaining the favour of the Seiren to lower the losses when dire times will come later.

in other words, the Seiren is made so that "interpretations of historical events" and "compensation" are allowed.


The end of the world you're talking about is something very recent. They have been reenacting history for hundred of years, maybe thousand of years, whereas that thing has started to be known as a problem by countries leaders around 30 years ago. And even then, most countries leader either didn't notice or underestimated the crisis for a good while. And no, stopping to reenact history due to this isn't a god idea. If you do that, even if you overcome the "end of the world" crisis, you're going right into a second total war right afterwards. Or maybe, without even waiting for the resolution.
If our world was facing a huge crisis, do you seriously think that suddenly countries will work together without carrying about the price of what they give to other, about letting out the state secrets, and so on, during the crisis? You bet that will not happen. Even if that was the only way to avoid destruction by uniting together, our countries wouldn't be able to cooperate completely.


This is a fairly well done system, very logical. It binds people hearts with hope, stop countries from going wild both with the unified other nations' threat and by encouraging them to be actively respecting the rules so that it'll allow them to lower the damage of some events later, and canalse the greed by giving them opportunities to extend their power by allowing interpretation and representation during conflict (which transform the conflict in some kin of deadly sport rather than uncontrolled conflict).
It works especially well because they're so close to each other in the land.
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Because their current technology is just a rest of what they had, and isn't able to allow them to leave earth to live in a better place.

But they improve their technology only for war not for "rise to heaven" goal [afair, in 2 seasons]. We don't see any laboratory and scientist working on "rise to heaven" goal.


Gods provide service as the cost of offering. Most gods ask far more than what Kimi needed to offer here, she isn't a good example. She is basically a living entertainment for the god she worship, who probably favour her quite a bit. Also, gods service will vary with the gods, too.

So what? Let be there 10-20 people with special treatment but there are thousands if not millions of people. They cannot be used?


whereas that thing has started to be known as a problem by countries leaders around 30 years ago. And even then, most countries leader either didn't notice or underestimated the crisis for a good while

Are they stupid or what? I don't think people with that kind of technology and with that kind of history could ignore that problem.



For example, in an internal strife where the country is supposed to have its own army besieging rebels and massacring the 30,000 inhabitants of that town, the country will probably ask the seiren to change that to lower the death counts to maybe 300, by making them "representatives" of the 30000. On top of this, they'll ask for volunteers with death wish, or already dead persons like living dead for the 300, effectively lowering even more the loss of citizens.

The rules are soooo... vague. You know about "a butterfly effect"? They are reenacting history for hundreds or thousands of year and... nothing happened. Watch "The butterfly effect" (a movie), Girl that leapt through time or Steins;gate (don't remember if that shows the butterfly effect)

The reenacting history system works ok for keeping them from the mentioned global war. However, this system doesn't explain why they are doing almost nothing to "rise to heaven".
 
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Wannabiteme said:

But they improve their technology only for war not for "rise to heaven" goal [afair, in 2 seasons]. We don't see any laboratory and scientist working on "rise to heaven" goal.

Do we have a laboratory specifically done to create warp portails or something? As long as they cannot see how it was done, that's pointless. The technology is moving forward anyway, because the reenactement of history IS an incentive for countries to try getting new technology, which will allows them to take advantage of reenacted conflicts to bring better days to their own countries.


So what? Let be there 10-20 people with special treatment but there are thousands if not millions of people. They cannot be used?

Used for what? Do you think Kimi has rockets on the back and can breath in space? No god provide such a thing obviously. IF that was so simple, they wouldn't struggle like that. Gods aren't here to satisfy the desire of mortals. If you appeal to a god of something by pleasing him, he will encourage you to continue by rewarding you with specific benefices, but that's it. If you ask a god for something he's not willing to do or cannot do, you will not get anything. All benefits Kimi gets from her god is for dance and eros. What benefit will you get from using her?




Are they stupid or what?

Hah? If tomorrow some peoples from another country starts to say that the world will end in 30 years, are you going to believe them without proof? If they said the weather becoming bad is proof, or a volcano erupting is proof, is that goign to convince you? Would you be proud of your country leader if he was starting to spend billion of dollars after hearing that to try to advert an hypothetical end of the world?
There is nothing more that signs, and those signs started to multiply only a few years ago. While would they believe before anything really became substantial ?

The rules are soooo... vague. You know about "a butterfly effect"? They are reenacting history for hundreds or thousands of year and... nothing happened. Watch "The butterfly effect" (a movie), Girl that leapt through time or Steins;gate (don't remember if that shows the butterfly effect)

Butterfly effect has nothing to do with what they're doing. They are reenacting the main events by adapting them, not changing history. As such, buttefly effect is irrelevant. Since no matter how they did an event, the next one is going to be recreated according to history, not according to changes that happened in the previous reenactment.

The reenacting history system works ok for keeping them from the mentioned global war. However, this system doesn't explain why they are doing almost nothing to "rise to heaven".

Because they don't have it. They don't know how to do it. Do you know how to create a warp portal so that a spaceship can travel directly from a point through another?
Let's say you have definite proof that another race was able to do it, but you have not seen them, and there is nothing remaining, no description either telling you how it's done neither how it looks like. You just know that a spaceship did go from one point to another in one instant, but you have no way to know what it looked like when it happened, nor what the spaceship looked like, either. What would you do? You don't know even where to start. You don't know where to end, either.
By recreating history, they hope to discover from where to start. Creating laboratory for this would be stupid.
Again, we're not talking about sending a ship in space. If that was only that, they could probably try. We're talking about the whole population leaving Earth and living somewhere which is not earth. Where? was that the realm of the gods they reached that way? IS that why angels and demons now are on earth as well even though they were not here before?
Was that space instead? Was that another planet? The moon? Another stellar system? Another galaxy? What technology do you even need to begin with? What source of energy do you need? There are probably scientists who tried to answer all those questions. And as you see, they have yet to understand anything, so obviously, the author isn't going to focus on a research that is basically "still searching and finding nothing at all" in the story.

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Do we have a laboratory specifically done to create warp portails or something? As long as they cannot see how it was done, that's pointless.

It's not pointless. That's what scientist/laboratories are for. They try different things (even stupid one). They fail hundreds (if not thousands) times but they succeed at some point.
because the reenactement of history IS an incentive for countries to try getting new technology,

Where? And this new technology is a new weapons (for example, this weapon(s) that horizon have)?

Used for what?

They can be used for "rise to heaven" goal, of course.
What benefit will you get from using her?

Not only her, but every person in their world. Every person in their world can worship (pry) god(s), build shrines etc.


Hah? If tomorrow some peoples from another country starts to say that the world will end in 30 years, are you going to believe them without proof? If they said the weather becoming bad is proof, or a volcano erupting is proof, is that goign to convince you? Would you be proud of your country leader if he was starting to spend billion of dollars after hearing that to try to advert an hypothetical end of the world?
There is nothing more that signs, and those signs started to multiply only a few years ago. While would they believe before anything really became substantial ?

But it's not just just "the volcano erupting" proof... it's ... your [put some nice english word] pocket black hole. Come on. If that's not enough proof then I don't know what might be.


Butterfly effect has nothing to do with what they're doing. They are reenacting the main events by adapting them, not changing history. As such, buttefly effect is irrelevant. Since no matter how they did an event, the next one is going to be recreated according to history, not according to changes that happened in the previous reenactment.


By recreating history, they hope to discover from where to start. Creating laboratory for this would be stupid.

So you are telling me it's better to fight for your life (well not really but... whatever), wasting your technology (ships)/people with special potential (e.g one person may rediscover technology for "rise to heaven" goal) IS BETTER than sitting in your super laboratory, watching super simulations on your super computer with the help from gods (even it was a little)?

There are probably scientists who tried to answer all those questions. And as you see, they have yet to understand anything, so obviously, the author isn't going to focus on a research that is basically "still searching and finding nothing at all" in the story

Well then, reenacting history for thousands or hundreds of years find nothing too (but fights sell better). Isn't it kind of stupid? One point of the show is to "raise to heaven" and through 2 seasons they have done almost nothing.
 
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Do we have a laboratory specifically done to create warp portails or something? As long as they cannot see how it was done, that's pointless.

It's not pointless. That's what scientist/laboratories are for. They try different things (even stupid one). They fail hundreds (if not thousands) times but they succeed at some point. .

That's not the problem here.Did you see somewhere written that there was no such research conducted? Why would the story focus on research labo that haven't foudn anything proper right now? Especially when there are many research labos searchings for stuff far more urgent right now which are giving good results?


Where? And this new technology is a new weapons (for example, this weapon(s) that horizon have)?

It can be new weapons. I could take a lot of examples.
That invisibility barrier allowing ships to move stealthily was developped around the time usashi was created, and as such, Musashi was the only ship with it back then. THen, other countries caught up to Izumo laboratories on this. Tres Espana has now stealth on several ships, as shown in the second arc. PAODa developed bigger versions allowing them to hide cities and ground around it completely. Hexagone Française developed miniature versions of it equipped on God of wars, allowing them by mixing stealth generators units with combat units to have whole units of god of wars appear from nowhere on battlegrounds.
Speaking of God of wars and Hexagone Française, they developped several technologies that allows automatons to pilot God of wars, which was previously deemed as impossible (god of wars need synaptic signals to move, whereas automatons are moving the part of their bodies through gravity controle, so no nerves /synapses involved).
They also developed carry-able shield generators, allowing them to put those on specialized god of wars instead of ships, actually protecting the other units around while on ground.

Tres Espania combined their technologies on Kyuushu terriotory with MHRR to gives mechanical dragons of far more capacities than before. Far faster, more manoeuvrability too.

That's example of weapons application of technologies. They are also developping technologies associated with acclimating the lands so that they can live on it, since as it was said, only the honshuu isle is somehow ok on this (and even then, north-east is pretty bad)
That's a far higher priority than trying to find a way to reach back the sky by the way. And something they have been improving since centuries. There are several countries trying to take back places outside of Honshuu. Most of those colonies are failures, but a few manage to subsist somehow like, on Kyuushuu isle. That's all thanks to technology improving. BTW the mechanical dragon I mentioned above wasn't developed as a weapon against other countries, but as a weapon against creatures of Kyuushuu, to protect the colony.

I could go on for a while, they are really trying hard on the technology part. And rather than followign a dream without substances right now, most countries are focusing in trying to survive on Earth, or gain more place to live on Earth.


They can be used for "rise to heaven" goal, of course.
Not only her, but every person in their world. Every person in their world can worship (pry) god(s), build shrines etc.

But that still won't get them the ability to breath in space and have rockets on the back, though. Nor the ability to grow their food in space, either? What's your point here? You're completely mistaking the roles of gods.


But it's not just just "the volcano erupting" proof... it's ... your pocket black hole. Come on. If that's not enough proof then I don't know what might be.

How much years since it has appeared? and how many peoples have seen it? This is a secret place of England. Probably very few countries were allowed there. And how do you link it to the end of the world? it's not a black hole, it's the exact contrary actually. If you didn't listen, the fact that the end of the world may be the same thing as that "nothingness" is but a THEORY of some leaders, they have no proof. Nor can they say in how much time it's going to happen, either.
Furthermore, it's not like they're doing nothing. The pope has been gathering informations about it for years, centralizing and dispatching infos on the Seiren side, trying to understand what is that threat really, how to counter it too.
Some laboratories in MHRR came up with a tool that they believe may help. Mikawa came up with the sin armaments. PAOda has their own plan about it, that they have been preparing for years. Holland seemed to try gathering info too, just like England tried different things on that pool of nothingness they have.



So you are telling me it's better to fight for your life (well not really but... whatever), wasting your technology (ships)/people with special potential (e.g one person may rediscover technology for "rise to heaven" goal) IS BETTER than sitting in your super laboratory, watching super simulations on your super computer with the help from gods (even it was a little)?

Did you read what I say? Without that, there would be no one to research technologies, because most peoples would be already DEAD. do you realise the situation you are in? Put the Israeli, Muslims, catholics, chineses, russians, north korean, americans, and then add to this a dozen of sentient races with inhuman features, then give that whole bunch a single small island to live on it. On top of this, that island is difficult to live on it, conditions on lot of places or extreme, either too hot or too cold with dozen of meters of snow covering the land all years along. What do you thing would happen? In our world, just putting Israeli and Muslims in the same place is already creating a war since 60 years now. Imagine if all races, all cultures were at the same place without any possibility of getting elsewhere. Give them weapons strong enough to wipe out cities. Add 120 m long dragons able to wipe out cities too. How much explosive would be such situation. Before they iput in motion historical reenactment, more than half of the population died in a matter of DAYS.
That "deadly game" of recreating history is a necessity to canalise this into a somehow controllable situation and scale. Even if the war was to stop, it would surely start again one or two generation later when the memory of the tragedies would start to fade. Humanity history is full of this, and humanity was never even close of such situation they are in KyouHora world.



Well then, reenacting history for thousands or hundreds of years find nothing too (but fights sell better). Isn't it kind of stupid? One point of the show is to "raise to heaven" and through 2 seasons they have done almost nothing.

There is progress. Constant progress. They live better. Back in the day, they were simply struggling to survive the weather.
And they will not go any closer to go to heaven in more seasons. Because that's not the point right now. This is the long goal, but there are so many more urgent objective that can actually be achieved rather than dying trying to achieve stupidly something that you don't even know how to start.
 
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That invisibility barrier allowing ships to move stealthily...

Ok, then give me an episode's number & minute (episodes' numbers & minutes)

That's not the problem here.Did you see somewhere written that there was no such research conducted? Why would the story focus on research labo that haven't foudn anything proper right now? Especially when there are many research labos searchings for stuff far more urgent right now which are giving good results?

I just don't see too much about it in the anime. There wasn't any "we failed at X project". The most of episodes are about fights, politics, reenacting history and (sometimes) stupid fanservice.

And ... in the one post you said that scientist/laboratories didn't bring anything, and in other post you said .. a lot. That's kind of misguide me.


But that still won't get them the ability to breath in space (2) and have rockets (1) on the back, though. Nor the ability to grow their food in space (3), either? What's your point here?.

1) Some people (in their universe) already move very fast (Futayo Honda, Tachibana Muneshige) , control a gravity, can fly/levitate (William Cecil).
3) There are lot of movies about growing food on the moon or on a other planet
2) astronaut can breath in the space and same as above
So it's not impossible

because most peoples would be already DEAD

I told you that I am ok with reenacting history as remedy for global war but I am not ok with reenacting history as solution for "raise to heaven" goal. Don't mix 2 things.

it's not a black hole, it's the exact contrary actually

Well black hole suck things in, this one is much smaller so "you have to touch it". Well... for layman of course. Whatever it is, IT IS SOMETHING DANGEROUS.
 
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Wannabiteme said:
That invisibility barrier allowing ships to move stealthily...

Ok, then give me an episode's number & minute (episodes' numbers & minutes)

About what, those infos I just gave? Do you know that this is a novel before everything else? You won't get detailed background info in a very rushed anime adaptation :x
The novels have tremendous amount of infos about world building (more than anything else you could read actually, and by quite an overwhelming huge difference)

Of course you won't see that in the anime. If they adapted those two arcs in 80 episodes in total, then yes you would have gotten quite a few. And if they continued adapting it properly until the recent arcs, meanings more than 500 episodes if adapted completely, then you would have tons. But as you know, that's not what they did.

1) Everything is below the speed of sound for everything but broom at top speed+most recent mechanical dragon+ the fastest celestial dragons. Even those are mostly right above the speed of sound. And most probably high level Werewolves' speed burst, but this one isn't sustained speed so doesn't matter here.
WHich means slower than planes we have nowadays :/
Control of gravity -> no, that's a bit different. And that wouldn't be useful for anything space related here due to the way it works.

2) for the whole population ? I don't think so. At the very least, not realistic projects at all.

3) And astronaut are jsut a few peoples, not the whole population. That cannot even stay more than several months in space before returning. We're talking about leaving earth for good here.

So it's impossible with their technology. The musashi for example, at the point of technology for a ship with a whole town in it, isn't self sufficient when it comes to food and the like. Furthermore, most of their technology (including flying ships) are using ether from laylines. There is no laylines in space, so you'll run out of fuel without being able to recharge. And then everyone die.

But those two are together. Rising back to the sky is the ultimate goal, not a close goal. The close goal is striving to survive, to gain more place proper to live, to be able to defend themselves better, without killing each others, too. And all of this while trying to found out what in history conducted them to the technology/Knowledge they need to get away from earth again.

For a black hole, you obviously don't know what is a black hole. It's not a hole, it's a star extremely massive. And it's not black, too. And that "hole" in KyouHora doesn't suck thing, it eat them, making them disapear forever. A black hole doesn't make thing disappear, it just adds them to its own mass after destroying it due to tidal forces.
So the two things here are opposite. One is a zone of emptiness, the other is a globe so full of matter comapred to its size that the gravity even catch the light.

And even if a tiger and a missile are both dangerous, that doesn't make them the same thing, btw.
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About what, those infos I just gave? Do you know that this is a novel before everything else? You won't get detailed background info in a very rushed anime adaptation :x
The novels have tremendous amount of infos about world building (more than anything else you could read actually, and by quite an overwhelming huge difference)

Of course you won't see that in the anime. If they adapted those two arcs in 80 episodes in total, then yes you would have gotten quite a few. And if they continued adapting it properly until the recent arcs, meanings more than 500 episodes if adapted completely, then you would have tons. But as you know, that's not what they did.

Well, we are in the anime board so I assume that what are you talking about is in the anime. At least in some small form.
To be honest, they could include such info. They could, for example, include your post. I bet you can find place in the 2 seasons.
It might not be good adaptation... but still a little better than it is.


For a black hole, you obviously don't know what is a black hole. It's not a hole, it's a star extremely massive. And it's not black, too. And that "hole" in KyouHora doesn't suck thing, it eat them, making them disapear forever. A black hole doesn't make thing disappear, it just adds them to its own mass after destroying it due to tidal forces.
So the two things here are opposite. One is a zone of emptiness, the other is a globe so full of matter comapred to its size that the gravity even catch the light.

I know what black hole is. Both make things "disappear", both are black... well lets call it black holes. It's not physics, we don't need to be accurate.

And even if a tiger and a missile are both dangerous, that doesn't make them the same thing, btw.

You can kill the tiger. You can destroy missile in the air, far away from you. What can you do with that "the thing"? They don't know what they can do. That's why it's dangerous.



1) Everything is below the speed of sound for everything but broom at top speed+most recent mechanical dragon+ the fastest celestial dragons. Even those are mostly right above the speed of sound. And most probably high level Werewolves' speed burst, but this one isn't sustained speed so doesn't matter here.
WHich means slower than planes we have nowadays :/
Control of gravity -> no, that's a bit different. And that wouldn't be useful for anything space related here due to the way it works.

2) for the whole population ? I don't think so. At the very least, not realistic projects at all.

3) And astronaut are jsut a few peoples, not the whole population. That cannot even stay more than several months in space before returning. We're talking about leaving earth for good here.

3) There are animes/movies that shows living on the moon/the other planet is possible. Some of them contain technology much less powerful than technology from Kyoukaisenju no horizon.
2) Why not? [read above line]
1) I was talking about single people. They far exceed capability of normal person. If you can apply such "technology" into machines, they should exceed our current technology.
 
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It didn't even occur to me that you were requesting that in the anime before your previous post, actually. That's because what you're requesting is absolutely impossible.

Why? Because a media adapt itself to its customers, or die. Anime watcher community doesn't like long explanations. As such, when adapting a different media, the first thing that get deleted from the adaptation are PRECISELY the world building. And Kyoukaisenjou no Horizon has more world building content than any other story that you can read. Requesting that this remains in the series would mean like I said before 80-120 episodes to adpat those 2 arcs instead of the 26 we had, with episodes dedicated only about world building, with characters talking from start to finish without a single action/ecchi scene during it. Of course that's impossible in anime. Peoples would have dropped it half way after the beginning of the first episode.

What you're requesting cannot be done, and just so that it's clear, the part of the world building we're talking about in this thread is of minor importance compared to lot of the world building that was deleted from the adaptation, so if they were to add some world building content, that would have been low priority for them. So yes, except if they did 80+ episodes, there was no chance for such content to appear. And furthermore, those 2 arcs are nothing more than the PROLOGUE of the KyouHora story. Which means that most of the world building in this story would require adaptation of further arcs on top of those 80-110 episodes, several hundred of episodes added to it. (adapting the whole available content while including the world building and every single explanation would require 600+ episodes btw, easily, and the story isn't finished yet)


So no, there is no way to find such place in one of the two season. If you knew what kind of info they didn't mention in the anime, you would realize that. The list of very important explanation/world building content they removed is astounding. They didn't have the choice.

I know what black hole is. Both make things "disappear", both are black... well lets call it black holes. It's not physics, we don't need to be accurate.
Sorry but, you just proved my point. A black hole isn't black, and things don't disappear at all. things get completely destroyed, but the mass resulting of that remains just the same. Whereas in kyouhora case, what touch it gets wiped out from existence.

3) There are animes/movies that shows living on the moon/the other planet is possible. Some of them contain technology much less powerful than technology from Kyoukaisenju no horizon.
2) Why not? [read above line]
1) I was talking about single people. They far exceed capability of normal person. If you can apply such "technology" into machines, they should exceed our current technology.

You're contradicting yourself, sorry. Think about it. they are already having a hard time living on earth. that means that they don't have yet what it takes to make the WHOLE population live correctly on earth. How do you want them to make the whole population live on a place where there is no breathable atmosphere in those conditions? If they could do that, they would have solved that problem they have on earth as well already...

You're overestimating the technology of horizon. They dont use the same type of fuel that we do. Afaik, they don't have the kind of fuel we use to launch rocket. Currently, the highest a ship can reach in Horizon is passing above japan mountains (and even that isn't done by most ships) so they are very far away from reaching space, let alone reaching another planet and terraforming it or whatever.
Their ships have been getting better at rising in altitude, but that's still not enough. So don't ask them to do what we can't even though we have far better resources and technology than them on that point.
Yes they can do stuff that we can't. That doesn't make them able to do what we can on an automatic basis. They LOST the former technology they had. What remains is a mix of power granted by gods and technology adapted to it, mainly using ether.
 
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Sorry but, you just proved my point.

Ok, whatever. The point is The Thing (let's name it "The Thing", or has it proper name?) is more dangerous than anything in their world.

Peoples would have dropped it half way after the beginning of the first episode.

That's what they have done. They have dropped it before 3rd episode (3 episodes are infodumps).
For the other people, it won't bad if they add 1 more page of text in the 2 seasons of this anime. Even one line of your text per episode is enough.


You're contradicting yourself, sorry. Think about it. they are already having a hard time living on earth.

When I think about it I see expensive things they are using.
btw. I think it's just a cheap excuse to write more about historical things.

You're overestimating the technology of horizon.

When I look at the anime I don't feel that way.

They LOST the former technology they had. What remains is a mix of power granted by gods and technology adapted to it, mainly using ether.

Btw. they have lost machines/devices, all people that know about their former technology, all informations about their former technology (books, videos, recordings etc), everything?
 
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It's more dangerous IF this propagate. If it stays still, nothing will happen. THe whole thing is, the end of the world being related to that pool of nothingness is nothing more than a guess from the countries leaders, and they have been trying to find way to counter it just in case it's that.
But that thing didn't appear that long ago, either. So before that, they didn't have anything like this to help them understand if the rumours about the end of the world where true or not.

That's what they have done. They have dropped it before 3rd episode (3 episodes are infodumps).
For the other people, it won't bad if they add 1 more page of text in the 2 seasons of this anime. Even one line of your text per episode is enough.

Those BD/DVD sold very well. So lots of peoples didn't drop AND liked enough the series as a whole to buy. Now, how much would have been sold with doing thre time as much info dump and go for a 26 episodes for each arc instead? It would have increased a lot the production cost for less sales. THat's not logical thing to do...

btw. I think it's just a cheap excuse to write more about historical things.

All I can tell you is to read the novels on this. There is no cheap explanations in KyouHora. For the simple reason that the amount of explanations, and the way everything is linked together is above anything else I've read for world building, and I've read a lot of books.

When I look at the anime I don't feel that way.

BEcause you see things that they can do and that we can't. But just the same, there's a lot of things that they can't do, and that we can already do.

Btw. they have lost machines/devices, all people that know about their former technology, all informations about their former technology (books, videos, recordings etc), everything?

They lost almost everything with the fall. They recovered some of them, and developed those further as well it seems, But most of the technology that was used before the fall thousand of years ago was lost. And when they fell, for hundred and hundred of years, they struggled just to survive in this lands, trying a lot of different solutions.
 
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Those BD/DVD sold very well. So lots of peoples didn't drop AND liked enough the series as a whole to buy. Now, how much would have been sold with doing thre time as much info dump and go for a 26 episodes for each arc instead? It would have increased a lot the production cost for less sales. THat's not logical thing to do...
If mal is somehow right about Kyoukaisenjou no Horizon's popularity, then it's bad.
Look at stats:
1:

Watching: 3,949
Completed: 35,061
On-Hold: 3,018
Dropped: 4,811
Plan to Watch: 20,554
Total: 67,394


2:

Watching: 1,778
Completed: 22,169
On-Hold: 1,299
Dropped: 832
Plan to Watch: 9,168
Total: 35,246

It dropped from 35k to 22k (1/3) as for Completed. I have checked a few animes from my list (2011 year) and only Yuru Yuri is the worst. Season 2 has 1/3 people less than season 1 but it still has 39k people that completed it.

doing thre time as much info dump

Not 3x, only one page of YOUR text. It's 20 episodes X 20 minutes = 400 minutes. 400 minutes / 20 lines = 1 line per 20 minutes

For the simple reason that the amount of explanations, and the way everything is linked together is above anything else I've read for world building, and I've read a lot of books.

Get a history book, make an upgrade - you have a new season.

Well... I think I'm make a little spam. Back to the topic:

BEcause you see things that they can do and that we can't. But just the same, there's a lot of things that they can't do, and that we can already do.

Most of the time we see they flying in their ships, drinking/eating stuffs, destroying stuffs. We can see them in the, at least, normal places.
 
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What matters is the sales, not the amount of MAL user dropping it. It sold far FAR more than average. Some MAL users drops shows for absolutely nothing (I actually suspect that it's just to fill their list~). And you could also attribute the number difference to the fact that peoples came to see boobs and got a story that they didn't understand as the result, making them go away.

Not 3x, only one page of YOUR text. It's 20 episodes X 20 minutes = 400 minutes. 400 minutes / 20 lines = 1 line per 20 minutes

It's 3x, at the very least. I told you that above already. What we're discussing here is absolutely minor compared to LOTS of explanations they skipped. So let's say they added a thousand of lines in each series for explanations/background/world building: the explanations I gave above would still NOT be featured, at all.

Get a history book, make an upgrade - you have a new season.

Again, read them, you'll understand how foolish that sentence is.

Most of the time we see they flying in their ships, drinking/eating stuffs, destroying stuffs. We can see them in the, at least, normal places.

Because main characters are on Musashi, they LIVE on that ship. That ship IS the normal place for them. But that's an exception, since it's the only town-ship ever constructed (not including Novgorod/Izumo/England, as those are floating island)
 
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Because main characters are on Musashi, they LIVE on that ship. That ship IS the normal place for them. But that's an exception, since it's the only town-ship ever constructed (not including Novgorod/Izumo/England, as those are floating island)

I don't mean only Musashi's ship(s).
 
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The first two arcs (and the third) are in relatively fine countries (they're fine at the time of the story, they were not long ago) located on the west of Honshu (although spain have some serious problem of poverty, clearly, and that England while having the money have serious problem of getting enough food for everyone,as attest some negotiations made). Add to that the fact that the first two arcs have most of their scenes on the Musashi (especially the first one) and that quite a bit of scenes were cut by the anime, and you should see why you didn't see them struggling.
You really start to see the serious problem that have more than half of japan's territory starting with the 4th acr, when the story moves to the east.
 
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Fuck me. I know this is old and all but that wannabiteme pal is stuborn as fuck. I hope after all this years you're lecture comprehension got better cause I really can't comprehend how someone could miss so many points, so many times, when they're so well explained for you by a user like zefyris.
 
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