Kuroko no Basket 3rd Season Episode 22 Discussion

XPwnDEnd said:
Ah hell yeah! Akashi in the zone was just wonderful to see -- coast to coast blow by against Seirin, which he started himself with the steal! We're approaching the absolute climax of this game right when the NBA Finals are underway. Makes me wonder if Production IG planned this at all. If not, this is simply a wonderful coincidence. XD

gghelis said:

Good idea for an NG-shuu episode.

j0x said:
damn the animation of Akashi's zone is awesome, too bad Kagami will open the second gate that leads to a zone beyond the zone, the metazone lol

talos91 said:
Akashi zone is awesome!! But The "fake" to Kuroko and Kiyoshi was clearly a violation......

ibear said:

It's called a skip dribble, totally legal.

ibear said:
I still can't figure out why people are calling "ass-pull."

Sourire said:
Rakuzan shitstomping everyone in the tournament. Comes Cinderella Seirin to challenge them. Gets destroyed too by Akashi and his peons. Only chance to win is by relying on God Kagami who receives a random power up in the last stretch of the game to make Seirin victorious and have Akashi losing for the first time.

bigivelfhq said:


He took 2 steps with the ball in his hand(the ball is in his hand in the beginning of the move, he falls with both feet and than starts dribbling) , that is totally a dribbling violation


But this is only an anime error, in the manga he just looks up making the fake.
They wanted things to look cooler and it ended slightly wrong. The anime does a lot of those, so is better not to look deep on it. Kuroko isn't even a deep in the rules series so is better not even to think about it.

ibear said:


Once again, it's a skip dribble. He never stopped dribbling, just took a skipping step.

straggy said:
lmao @ people calling Kagami the ass-pull when Akashi's entire character is a guy who's the height and build of a slender woman but is magically the ultra best at basketball and also has a magic eye gifted by his demonic second personality.

Kagami's a guy that trained in basketball in America and is tall with a muscular build. They've already established he's good at the game, really good. The concept of him being so desperate to win that he manages to unlock new power that's literally just based on strengthening his already obvious ability isn't the stupidest thing this show has ever done by far.

Anon1409 said:
I wonder if Kuroko has a zone... But anyway, Seirin catching up from a 20-point deficit feels like a huge ass-pull to me

Torrible said:
1. Glad Akashi's zone didn't look like this:



I know a lot of people were hoping that it would look this way, but personally I find it weird-looking

Torrible said:


Initially my thoughts were the same as bigivelhq's. If anything, the move is just slightly illegal if you compare it to a hopstep which is perfectly legal (not a travel violation): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHvktSZcHc

But if a skip dribble is legal, all the better.



This, even though there are explanations for the EE and eye color change.

Bunch of people calling asspull when there is none. The word asspull is like the word misogynist these days, so overused (and abused) that the original meaning is lost.

By their logic, everything that is a new move or a new reveal is an asspull:

Kagami shot a 3 in season 2 but he didn't do it in season 1. Asspull. Izuki didn't use Eagle's Spear against Too and Yosen, but pulled it out of his ass against Kaijou. And meteor jam too. Who cares if there was foreshadowing for it with Alex's training. Nobody actually said these, but it does show how silly their arguments are.

The complete zone is revealed. Asspull, because we are supposed to assume the original zone is the complete one. When something is revealed to be more than what it was, asspull.

Akashi going into the zone. Asspull, even though there is a flashback of him thinking about it, and successfully going into it, and then explaining that his insights (understanding the mental state needed to go into it) and self-awareness (knowing his trigger) were the reasons he was able to do it. Not to mention that he's the strongest GoM and last boss, and the zone was meant to be a trump card used in desperate situations.

And this must be another definition of asspull: When something happens that I don't like, don't understand, or can't explain, or if something unlikely happens, it's an asspull.



By that definition, yes, your feelings are right. Even comebacks must be considered asspull.

Torrible said:


Initially my thoughts were the same as bigivelhq's. If anything, the move is just slightly illegal if you compare it to a hopstep which is perfectly legal (not a travel violation): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHvktSZcHc

But if a skip dribble is legal, all the better.

onewinged789 said:


whether something is an asspull or not in this anime depends on how realistic to real basketball u want it to be. If you expected no realism at all, then even kagami teleporting from court to court or half court dunk would not be considered an asspull.

ibear said:

It's not a hopstep because he never gathers the ball, and as good as Akashi is, at 5'8 I'm gonna doubt that he can palm a ball mid dribble. He also doesn't land with both feet at the same time.

ibear said:
Random power up? Kise said he was equal to the GoM after the practice match

yhunata said:

Also, I don't understand how the Void works. Yeah, he bends lower so he jumps later. That's not gonna stop the defender's momentum and he's still gonna jump, albeit quicker meaning that the defense will actually be too fast letting Reo to plunder the 3 pointer more easily. I dunno what you guys think, but I think the author should've gone with that instead.

Torrible said:
You missed the bit about him halting just at the instant when the defender's legs are fully stretched. The defender, following Mibuchi's rhythm, halts with him. With his momentum fully arrested and legs fully straightened, the defender will be unable to jump. The defender, who has never faced a situation like this before will be frozen in place, unable to react for a moment. If he somehow reacts and bends his legs again and jump, he won't reach, like Koga. What Hyuga did was probably starting the jump later, ignoring Mibuchi's rhythm, and making an uninterrupted jump like he was blocking a normal shot. I think of the Void as a very different (early) sort of pump fake.

yhunata said:


That's the thing, a jump can only be stopped at that point if the person jumping is aware and is trying to stop and even then, it'll be difficult as fuck to stop as by then the momentum will be too much to screech to a halt without injuring your knees. I agree that Hyuuga simply jumped late, but stopping at that point of the jump is utterly impossible. The halt may slow down the momentum, but it'll never be put to a stop. Not with that timing.

Torrible said:
It's plausible enough for me. The halt happens very early, before any kind of speed is gained. Of course, it'd more realistic if Hyuga had made a little jump and came back down, instead of just freezing (making the void shot exactly like a pump fake just that with an early timing). But it's KnB, so the effect of every move has to be exaggerated and dramatized to a degree. I'm fine with it as long the explanation is reasonable/plausible enough. It's not like other moves like the Ignite pass kai or mirage shot are physically achievable in real life.

yhunata said:

The thing is, stopping a jump is difficult (once you've started to jump, that is), especially so subconsciously. The thing is, I don't think this is exaggerated. I think this Void would've been much better if, like you said, the defender jumped a little (due to the slow down process, which can happen subconsciously) which gives Reo the chance to shoot rather than having the defender freeze. As for Ignite Pass Kai, rotation can increase penetration (see guns), so that does have a realistic base for it. Of course, it would be impossible to do bare-handed (or at least impossible for someone with Kuroko's build) in reality. As for the Phantom Shot, that one is kinda bullshit, but that is for another thread which has long since gone.

Torrible said:
That's my point. We accept Ignite Pass Kai because there is some logic to it and it's somewhat physically achievable, just not with that rate of spin. The mirage shot (Himuro's btw) will require a ridiculous hang time, but otherwise it's physically achievable and the explanation is sound (in the context of how convincing Himuro's fake is). Same can be said of Midorima's catch-in-air shot. Likewise, the victim's reaction to the void shot. He needed to instantly stiffen his body and freeze in a way that is not 100% realistic, but it's plausible if you consider his reaction speed, reflexes and muscular tension to be exaggerated from that of real life. In the KnB universe, people tend to react to moves/abilities in a more exaggerated manner anyway, be it misdirection, Himuro's fakes, Akashi's ankle breaker, etc.

Freezing is just a slight exaggeration from making that little jump. But making a little jump wouldn't be as dramatic. People would just think it's a pump fake. It wouldn't have that shock factor. Ultimately we have individual differences as to what we can accept or not. If you still can't accept it, so be it. At least I've explained how it works according to the show.

x264titan said:
can anyone tell me when the total no. of episodes went down from 26 to 25? T-T