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Jun 13, 2015 11:51 AM

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An alright episode.
There were some parts I didn't like, like the changes to the Assassin battle and how pitifully short it was. Also the lack of Rin fighting against the curse was pretty lame.
I do like the change with Ea. In the VN he casually uses it against Shirou, but it never made sense how he would use it against a mongrel, so having him use it against the grail was a pretty decent change and

The music in this episode was actually really good. Set the mood really well.

 
Jun 13, 2015 11:53 AM

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Eylandos said:
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Gradationair is trolling but he doesn't have Zerodragon's skills.


That explains it.

What is with all these people giving really low scores to this weeks episode? I thought it was an above average episode but people are seriously giving it a 2/10? Wow.


This is the start of one of the most OMFG EPIC scenes in the VN.You yourself stated...it lacked ...something....people will be dissapointed as they really have high expectations for this one..
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:54 AM
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You have this all wrong.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:54 AM

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Eylandos said:
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In the anime we can just say He was gaining skills from Archer, since saber even said he was reaching Archers level already while they were fighting. In the VN there is a different and better explanation, but you said your going to read it so i'll leave it at that for now.


Well here is the thing, I get he gained skills with his fight with Archer but are you saying his powers rose to a level where he can trace on a dozen weapons at the same time? He never used it before and he not only projected the weapons but perfectly aimed them at Gil's opposing projections.

He got Archer's memories/skills when he was fighting him, it was said in episode 20.
And he got Rin's mana in episode 22 to use UBW like she said.
If he plan to use Archer's ultimate power, him using swordrain isn't surprising.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:54 AM

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Finally someone gets it.

Fate when?


Gets it? So someone who praises the show gets it and a person who thought it wasn't the next coming of Jesus Christ is off base?


Read what I was quoting. :^)
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Jun 13, 2015 11:55 AM

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TheWorldOfDio said:
An alright episode.
There were some parts I didn't like, like the changes to the Assassin battle and how pitifully short it was. Also the lack of Rin fighting against the curse was pretty lame.
I do like the change with Ea. In the VN he casually uses it against Shirou, but it never made sense how he would use it against a mongrel, so having him use it against the grail was a pretty decent change and

The music in this episode was actually really good. Set the mood really well.


There's no foreshadowing in this.

Also it makes sense for Gil to use EA on Shirou - hge wants to show off against faker with the sword he can't copy.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:56 AM

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Insertanamehere said:
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You have this all wrong.


Nah I think he's on point ;)
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:58 AM

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@laidellent
Honestly this anime will be a lot better if you watch the entire adaptation in one go. Everything will flow a lot better and you will be catching a lot of things you missed if you watch it weekly. When you watch a weekly episode, people will overanalyze every difference from LN and nitpick every small thing.

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I understand how he got the power but I was just surprised he can pull it off and match him blow for blow. Thought it take at least another trace one to try to match him but it was still good regardless.
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Jun 13, 2015 11:58 AM

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TheWorldOfDio said:
I do like the change in Ea. In the VN he casually throws it against Shirou, but it never made sense how he would use it against a mongrel,.


im sure the reason was that gil called shirou a faker because he copies his weapons so gil use EA a weapon that shirou cant copie and even shirou stated what the fuck is that
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Jun 13, 2015 11:59 AM
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WrongPriest said:
Insertanamehere said:

You have this all wrong.


Nah I think he's on point ;)

no u
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:00 PM

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Jun 13, 2015 12:02 PM

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GG guyse. "He took/stole archer's powers" misinformation fest is starting.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:02 PM

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Ufotable didn't show this


Not news. They have fucked up that premise, Shirou's character, the struggle, etc since the beginning and is one of the single worst things about the adaptation.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:04 PM
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them sigs
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:05 PM

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Plz not the sigs, being salty is fine but them sigs are so cringe.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:06 PM

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mira-nyan said:
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Gets it? So someone who praises the show gets it and a person who thought it wasn't the next coming of Jesus Christ is off base?


Read what I was quoting. :^)


Guess I missed the joke, I take back what I said.
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Jun 13, 2015 12:06 PM

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Jun 13, 2015 12:06 PM

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xShigarakix said:
TheWorldOfDio said:
I do like the change in Ea. In the VN he casually throws it against Shirou, but it never made sense how he would use it against a mongrel,.


im sure the reason was that gil called shirou a faker because he copies his weapons so gil use EA a weapon that shirou cant copie and even shirou stated what the fuck is that

Fair point. Thematically it does make more sense for Gil to use it against Shirou if we go by the whole "fake vs original" thing. I guess I just didn't like Shirou surviving a direct hit from Ea even with

 
Jun 13, 2015 12:07 PM

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Maerow said:
I don't know how, but they managed to fuck up the fight between Assassin and Saber, bravo ufotable.

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And suddenly, giant arm-p*enises and actually using EA...wtf is even going on.


He's actually supposed to use EA at this point but not for that purpose.

At least the OST was good.


The OST wasn't good at all, though. It was incredibly underwhelming and quiet. It kind of sucked, honestly.
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Plz not the sigs, being salty is fine but them sigs are so cringe.


The revolution is starting, Wrong-Kun. You will have it too, eventually. Its the Fate of all who stay the night to watch this adaptation.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:07 PM

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I don't get why so many people got mad. The original content wasn't that bad and Saber vs Assassin fight was great. Also, Fukasawa made me cum again. Can't wait for the 2nd OST disc.

4.5/5

Compared to the previous two episodes, this one is amazing. It's hard to believe Miura did the job this time.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:08 PM

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My complaints about the episode:
After talking about how Shirou would have taken care of Gilgamesh last week, they go with the Saber Vs Gil plan. Literally wtf.
Gilgamesh spends minutes talking about things he already said in the other episodes.
Rin goes through the mud like it's nothing, the grail doesn't even feel like a threat. She also stands around doing nothing after rescuing Shinji.
There's literally no reason to care for the Saber Vs Assassin fight, since it doesn't really seem like Saber should be in a hurry to save anyone (it's hard to convey urgency when all the villain does is monologue about his evil plan). Those 2 characters have almost 0 relevance to the story/themes/whatever and the only thing left to do for saber is destroying the grail. The fight itself also sucked.
Gil's laughs were teeeeeeerrible.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:09 PM

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wasn't that bad and Saber vs Assassin fight was great.


WHAT Saber Vs Assassin?
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:10 PM

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TheWorldOfDio said:
xShigarakix said:


im sure the reason was that gil called shirou a faker because he copies his weapons so gil use EA a weapon that shirou cant copie and even shirou stated what the fuck is that

Fair point. Thematically it does make more sense for Gil to use it against Shirou if we go by the whole "fake vs original" thing. I guess I just didn't like Shirou surviving a direct hit from Ea even with


Well the original Raw Ass is supposed to make you totally immune to ranged attacks, so a copy of it should at least buffer the blow.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:10 PM

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That episode was amazing. Gil smacking eva grail was cool. Assassin vs saber wasn't that epic and din't have much fighting but the TB bit was smooth which is more important. Yay on shirou finally doing sword rain. I hope they fix the CGI swords from episode 18 on the BDs.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:10 PM

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30 sec. Saber vs. Assassin? Wth?
Welp, i was pretty hyped for this. I am really dissapointed now.

And is it me, or did they mix the events somehow..?
I need to reread day 16 ubw...

And lol @ Shirou's Sword-hameha.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:11 PM

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My complaints about the episode:
After talking about how Shirou would have taken care of Gilgamesh last week, they go with the Saber Vs Gil plan. Literally wtf.
Gilgamesh spends minutes talking about things he already said in the other episodes.
Rin goes through the mud like it's nothing, the grail doesn't even feel like a threat. She also stands around doing nothing after rescuing Shinji.
There's literally no reason to care for the Saber Vs Assassin fight, since it doesn't really seem like Saber should be in a hurry to save anyone (it's hard to convey urgency when all the villain does is monologue about his evil plan). Those 2 characters have almost 0 relevance to the story/themes/whatever and the only thing left to do for saber is destroying the grail. The fight itself also sucked.
Gil's laughs were teeeeeeerrible.


Your exact feelings is why people complain about how the adaptation. Which people still seem to not get. This was so underwhelming to watch but very exciting to read (VN). Basically, everything you feel after watching this is the exact opposite one felt when going through the actual story. Thus....the well rooted complaints.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:12 PM

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Eylandos said:

Gets it? So someone who praises the show gets it and a person who thought it wasn't the next coming of Jesus Christ is off base?


YES.
yokoso fate sub-forums o/

@OP good episode btw ..... a bit rushed but still okay i guess.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:12 PM

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TheWorldOfDio said:
xShigarakix said:


im sure the reason was that gil called shirou a faker because he copies his weapons so gil use EA a weapon that shirou cant copie and even shirou stated what the fuck is that

Fair point. Thematically it does make more sense for Gil to use it against Shirou if we go by the whole "fake vs original" thing. I guess I just didn't like Shirou surviving a direct hit from Ea even with

 
Jun 13, 2015 12:13 PM

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CookingPriest said:
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Plz not the sigs, being salty is fine but them sigs are so cringe.


The revolution is starting, Wrong-Kun. You will have it too, eventually. Its the Fate of all who stay the night to watch this adaptation.


That hurt me physically.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:13 PM

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IZEROII said:
Lollo36 said:
My complaints about the episode:
After talking about how Shirou would have taken care of Gilgamesh last week, they go with the Saber Vs Gil plan. Literally wtf.
Gilgamesh spends minutes talking about things he already said in the other episodes.
Rin goes through the mud like it's nothing, the grail doesn't even feel like a threat. She also stands around doing nothing after rescuing Shinji.
There's literally no reason to care for the Saber Vs Assassin fight, since it doesn't really seem like Saber should be in a hurry to save anyone (it's hard to convey urgency when all the villain does is monologue about his evil plan). Those 2 characters have almost 0 relevance to the story/themes/whatever and the only thing left to do for saber is destroying the grail. The fight itself also sucked.
Gil's laughs were teeeeeeerrible.


Your exact feelings is why people complain about how the adaptation. Which people still seem to not get. This was so underwhelming to watch but very exciting to read (VN). Basically, everything you feel after watching this is the exact opposite one felt when going through the actual story. Thus....the well rooted complaints.

I thought this episode was very exciting. I do hope they show the gem wearing off and rin's head being mobbed with curses.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:13 PM

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One would probably think UBW is a bad series with so many people complaining, yet UBW is still one of the best anime this season.

I think this episode didn't lack in quality in what it did show by any means. The thing it lacked was time. They decided to focus on Gilgamesh vs Shirou, so the battle between Assassin and Saber ended up being a little too short.

Maybe Gil talked a bit too much at times, but I don't think that was bad - there was just not enough time for his talk and a longer fight against Assassin. So perhaps they could have managed the time spent on each scene slightly better, yeah. A 30-35 min episode would have been ideal, but that's not feasible. A 40 min episode? Probably too long. Even if they have released a handful to double length episodes, that's not something anybody can demand of Ufotable anyway.
 
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And lol @ Shirou's Sword-hameha.


Well tbh at least UFO is staying consistent in portraying Shirou as Naruto-clone~
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:14 PM

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VN reader summary: Almost everyone agrees that Saber vs Assassin could have been bette (or at least longer), while the other content is "hype vs salt round 2" it seems.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:15 PM

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CookingPriest said:
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wasn't that bad and Saber vs Assassin fight was great.


WHAT Saber Vs Assassin?

I meant TG moment. I don't remember if there was some actual fight between them in the VN, but I don't give a damn.
 
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I think they only had extra scene for the blu ray for the first 3 episodes they showed as promotional stuff. This episode was great though, miura doing his good directing.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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Drake1000 said:
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Fair point. Thematically it does make more sense for Gil to use it against Shirou if we go by the whole "fake vs original" thing. I guess I just didn't like Shirou surviving a direct hit from Ea even with



 
Jun 13, 2015 12:16 PM

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CrimsonBlack said:
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WHAT Saber Vs Assassin?

I meant TG moment. I don't remember if there was some actual fight between them in the VN, but I don't give a damn.

The TG moment is more important anyway. We can assume more fighting went on and it all looked as good as the OP.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:17 PM

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Drake1000 said:
TheWorldOfDio said:

Fair point. Thematically it does make more sense for Gil to use it against Shirou if we go by the whole "fake vs original" thing. I guess I just didn't like Shirou surviving a direct hit from Ea even with


Nah, when Gilgamesh uses Ea in the VN, there's some talk about pulling out a shield. Confirmed in CM3

 
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black1blade said:
I think they only had extra scene for the blu ray for the first 3 episodes they showed as promotional stuff. This episode was great though, miura doing his good directing.


According to my calculations, if we do NOT get a double length episode anymore, then there is a surplus of 30 minutes between TV airing and BD runtime. It's too short to be "OST runtime" again, so it's most likely real content this time.
 
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black1blade said:
CrimsonBlack said:

I meant TG moment. I don't remember if there was some actual fight between them in the VN, but I don't give a damn.

The TG moment is more important anyway. We can assume more fighting went on and it all looked as good as the OP.


Yes. TG moment where it looks like Saber randomly REKT Kojiro without any explanation on WHY is more important.
 
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One would probably think UBW is a bad series with so many people complaining, yet UBW is still one of the best anime this season.

The poll is positive here, the show is in the top 100.
5 out of 5: Loved it!: 42 54.55%
4 out of 5: Liked it: 12 15.58%
3 out of 5: It was OK: 9 11.69%
The vocal minority is loud with popular thing, it could be way way worse Arslan Seiki is ranked 1000 something.

But anyways, the poll, the rank don't matter, what matters it is if you like personally.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:18 PM

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CookingPriest said:
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The TG moment is more important anyway. We can assume more fighting went on and it all looked as good as the OP.


Yes. TG moment where it looks like Saber randomly REKT Kojiro without any explanation on WHY is more important.

Well it did show his cracked sword at the end.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:20 PM

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I think they only had extra scene for the blu ray for the first 3 episodes they showed as promotional stuff. This episode was great though, miura doing his good directing.


According to my calculations, if we do NOT get a double length episode anymore, then there is a surplus of 30 minutes between TV airing and BD runtime. It's too short to be "OST runtime" again, so it's most likely real content this time.

That would be good. Saber vs assassin just had to be a few exchanges of blows. A bit like how KNK7 had 4 or so cuts of the knife fighting, saber vs koijiro could have been 1 worth's of those.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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TheWorldOfDio said:
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Nah, when Gilgamesh uses Ea in the VN, there's some talk about pulling out a shield. Confirmed in CM3

 
Jun 13, 2015 12:22 PM

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Non-existant Saber vs. Assassin aside, didn'T they also rush to much (again)?

Not really. It is quite different from the VN but I thought it was done pretty well. I hope they show some of the curses effecting rin next episode (as her gem wears off)

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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Non-existant Saber vs. Assassin aside, didn'T they also rush to much (again)?


Yeah. Last episodes were rushed as hell, including answer, which shows piss poor time management.
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:22 PM

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dear god what the fuck did I just watch
 
Jun 13, 2015 12:23 PM

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black1blade said:
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Yes. TG moment where it looks like Saber randomly REKT Kojiro without any explanation on WHY is more important.

Well it did show his cracked sword at the end.

One coudl think that Saber REKT Kojiro so hard that she broke his sword. Especially since they showed it broken after he actually performs Tsubame Gaeshi

 
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