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Jun 13, 2015 11:14 AM

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Gonna have to call an asspull on Shirou tracing on all those weapons and projecting a weapon

Him being able to do that was established long ago o.O do people just throw the word asspull out for no reason.

No citizens outside in Japan?
Gotta wonder how hard the Magic Association and the church are working to keep this hidden lol
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:16 AM

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ChickenFry said:
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Yeah all that massive amout of blue lightning when he is using projection is stupidly cheesy and cringey. Also the only way Shirou can survive against Giglamesh is by offsetting his NPs with the same ones, he cannot survive with Kanshou and Bakuya alone like he did during most of the fight this episode.


Did Gil say that he wouldn't fight seriously against a mongrel?

And this is just a time-killing sport when he is waiting for Saber?


Even if he is not fighting seriously, the only way Shirou can block the Noble Phantasms from the Gate of Babylon is by offsetting them with the same ones.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:16 AM
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Two episodes left :(
Totally forgot about assassin. But wish he didn't attack saber...
Shinji is still alive... For now?
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Jun 13, 2015 11:17 AM

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Ea'd the fuck out
Oh god who are you people?
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:17 AM

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I always liked FSN's "interpretation" of Sasaki Kojirō tbh.This backstory offers a lot of potential for his character but in UBW it kinda just feels thrown in ;/


He is also a "fake".

But yeah, even in the VN, some servants are really missed opportunities.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:18 AM

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Raziel1991 said:
ChickenFry said:


Did Gil say that he wouldn't fight seriously against a mongrel?

And this is just a time-killing sport when he is waiting for Saber?


Even if he is not fighting seriously, the only way Shirou can block the Noble Phantasms from the Gate of Babylon is by offsetting them with the same ones.


Who say that?
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:19 AM

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ChickenFry said:
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Even if he is not fighting seriously, the only way Shirou can block the Noble Phantasms from the Gate of Babylon is by offsetting them with the same ones.


Who say that?


The visual novel.

http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20227/

"Kanshou and Bakuya cannot block his Noble Phantasms.
Archer should be able to with his technique, but I don't have that much skill."
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:20 AM

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Free salt for everyone, people come get your free salt. It's made by the same exact producers everytime, so you don't have to worry about the quality.

Gonna have to call an asspull on Shirou tracing on all those weapons and projecting a weapon

Him being able to do that was established long ago o.O do people just throw the word asspull out for no reason.


I understand Archer doing it but when did Shirou learn how to do it and how was he able to trace all those weapons so fast?
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Jun 13, 2015 11:21 AM

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UnremarkableHero said:
I always liked FSN's "interpretation" of Sasaki Kojirō tbh.This backstory offers a lot of potential for his character but in UBW it kinda just feels thrown in ;/
Ep preview for next week had "do you have enough swords....?"...can't wait.

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I'm currently reading Vagabond atm but I didn't remember that Assassin was Sasaki Kojiro =o Seems like he's the Matahachi version too (I live how historical this series is)

iirc Assassin isn't someone who pretends to be Sasaki(like Matahachi) but someone that got swordskills that get associated with him.Sasaki is a fictional character

if I'm not mistaken
I see I see =o
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:23 AM

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This is so terrible
The Assassin vs Saber has been completely changed and rushed
>Shirou being able to survive EA from that range
kk.
I don't really like this part anyway so try not to make it worse Ufo.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:24 AM

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Drake1000 said:
This is so terrible
The Assassin vs Saber has been completely changed and rushed
>Shirou being able to survive EA from that range
kk.


Well
.

When she was nerfed.
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Jun 13, 2015 11:25 AM

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The visual novel.

http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20227/

"Kanshou and Bakuya cannot block his Noble Phantasms.
Archer should be able to with his technique, but I don't have that much skill."


Problem is, who say that in the anime?

If none say that, then it's not a plot hole in the anime. This is an AU.

Even then, K&B are broken right in contact with Gil's weapons.
 
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Free salt for everyone, people come get your free salt. It's made by the same exact producers everytime, so you don't have to worry about the quality.


Him being able to do that was established long ago o.O do people just throw the word asspull out for no reason.


I understand Archer doing it but when did Shirou learn how to do it and how was he able to trace all those weapons so fast?


In the anime we can just say He was gaining skills from Archer, since saber even said he was reaching Archers level already while they were fighting. In the VN there is a different and better explanation, but you said your going to read it so i'll leave it at that for now.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:26 AM

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mira-nyan said:
Drake1000 said:
This is so terrible
The Assassin vs Saber has been completely changed and rushed
>Shirou being able to survive EA from that range
kk.


Well
.

When she was nerfed.


Wasn't that a clash of Excalibur and EA?
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:27 AM

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Drake1000 said:
This is so terrible
The Assassin vs Saber has been completely changed and rushed
>Shirou being able to survive EA from that range
kk.
I don't really like this part anyway so try not to make it worse Ufo.


Oh, in the VN, Shirou survived a direct EA.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:28 AM

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They dropped the ball earlier all the way back in day 6 when they animated the full tsubame gaeshi.. But this was worse than I still could have expected. The hands and weak d rank np ea were ridiculous. Anime could have been 9/10, looking more like 7/10 at best at this point. The only anime whose junk ending I can forgive is Claymore.
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Jun 13, 2015 11:29 AM

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Not a good episode (period). Lacking doesn't begin to describe how little impact this episode should of had.

Plain and simple.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:29 AM
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Drake1000 said:
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Well
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When she was nerfed.


Wasn't that a clash of Excalibur and EA?


Excalibur vs Ea was head to head battle, and Saber took a large hit from it. The way Ea is used in the anime is completely wrong... In all cases, including ufotable's own Fate/Zero, while Ea can use massive wave-attacks it is always completely destructive on everything if it uses the wave-type attack. Yet all the buildings still stand, Shirou still survives... and only the arm got destroyed.
It's BS.
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Jun 13, 2015 11:30 AM

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KamiCity said:
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I understand Archer doing it but when did Shirou learn how to do it and how was he able to trace all those weapons so fast?


In the anime we can just say He was gaining skills from Archer, since saber even said he was reaching Archers level already while they were fighting. In the VN there is a different and better explanation, but you said your going to read it so i'll leave it at that for now.


Well here is the thing, I get he gained skills with his fight with Archer but are you saying his powers rose to a level where he can trace on a dozen weapons at the same time? He never used it before and he not only projected the weapons but perfectly aimed them at Gil's opposing projections.
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Eylandos said:
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Free salt for everyone, people come get your free salt. It's made by the same exact producers everytime, so you don't have to worry about the quality.


Him being able to do that was established long ago o.O do people just throw the word asspull out for no reason.


I understand Archer doing it but when did Shirou learn how to do it and how was he able to trace all those weapons so fast?


Shirou learns fast, and it's in both his origin and destiny, so he learns even faster when it comes to that. But the explanation for that is in the VN...
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Jun 13, 2015 11:31 AM

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Excalibur vs Ea was head to head battle, and Saber took a large hit from it. The way Ea is used in the anime is completely wrong... In all cases, including ufotable's own Fate/Zero, while Ea can use massive wave-attacks it is always completely destructive on everything if it uses the wave-type attack. Yet all the buildings still stand, Shirou still survives... and only the arm got destroyed.
It's BS.


Another typical "it's not 1:1 as in the VN" complaint. You know that Nasu EXPLICITLY asked Miura to "change the Noble Phantasm"?

Also he only used "Ea", but didn't call out "Enuma Elish", btw, so no, it's not even the same skill!
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:32 AM

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ChickenFry said:
Drake1000 said:
This is so terrible
The Assassin vs Saber has been completely changed and rushed
>Shirou being able to survive EA from that range
kk.
I don't really like this part anyway so try not to make it worse Ufo.


Oh, in the VN, Shirou survived a direct EA.


With Raw Ass.
BenMS said:
Eylandos said:


I understand Archer doing it but when did Shirou learn how to do it and how was he able to trace all those weapons so fast?


Shirou learns fast, and it's in both his origin and destiny, so he learns even faster when it comes to that. But the explanation for that is in the VN...


Origin, totes, but destiny? Urr....wat?
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Jun 13, 2015 11:32 AM

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Excellent episode, Gilgamesh and Saber epicness, finally the cool characters are getting some action.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:33 AM

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Felt kinda rushed...
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:33 AM

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Eh hold on, Shouldn't Ea have flattened the building Gil was standing on?

I am disappoint. I wanted that prick to fall to the ground :(
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:33 AM

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Excellent episode, Gilgamesh and Saber epicness, finally the cool characters are getting some action.

Finally someone gets it.

Fate when?
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Grey-Zone said:
BenMS said:
Excalibur vs Ea was head to head battle, and Saber took a large hit from it. The way Ea is used in the anime is completely wrong... In all cases, including ufotable's own Fate/Zero, while Ea can use massive wave-attacks it is always completely destructive on everything if it uses the wave-type attack. Yet all the buildings still stand, Shirou still survives... and only the arm got destroyed.
It's BS.


Another typical "it's not 1:1 as in the VN" complaint. You know that Nasu EXPLICITLY asked Miura to "change the Noble Phantasm"?


so what he also said deen fate is a perfect adaption or they shouldnt focus on saber but they still putting pointless saber flashback in
 
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In the anime we can just say He was gaining skills from Archer, since saber even said he was reaching Archers level already while they were fighting. In the VN there is a different and better explanation, but you said your going to read it so i'll leave it at that for now.


Well here is the thing, I get he gained skills with his fight with Archer progress but are you saying his powers rose to a level where he can trace on a dozen weapons at the same time?

Well according to saber and I think even archer said it, he's reached archers levels by now.
The whole origin thing, and what it is will be explained in the VN when you read it.
 
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mira-nyan said:
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Oh, in the VN, Shirou survived a direct EA.


With Raw Ass.


No, he din't use Raw Ass. Read it again...
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:36 AM

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Another typical "it's not 1:1 as in the VN" complaint. You know that Nasu EXPLICITLY asked Miura to "change the Noble Phantasm"?


so what he also said deen fate is a perfect adaption or they shouldnt focus on saber but they still putting pointless saber flashback in


Not focusing =/= ignoring.

Side characters need developments too.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:37 AM

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No, he din't use Raw Ass. Read it again...


According to Unlimited Retcon Works... that's what saved him in the VN appearantly though according to some CM or Nasu interview...
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:37 AM

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Little too much talking and also i disliked how they handled Assasin vs Saber fight.
But on the other hand i liked the change in Ea scene.In VN that scene was just ridiculous, because Gil used Ea on Shirou just to say later some things how he is unworthy for this. Also liked the fact that they added some explanations of Gil goal.

Generally good episode 4/5
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:38 AM

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ChickenFry said:
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With Raw Ass.


No, he din't use Raw Ass. Read it again...


What Grey-Zone said.
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Grey-Zone said:
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No, he din't use Raw Ass. Read it again...


According to Unlimited Retcon Works... that's what saved him in the VN appearantly though according to some CM or Nasu interview...


LOL...
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:39 AM

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Grey-Zone said:
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"I can't block all of them.
Even if I project seventeen Noble Phantasms, I can only give form to them one at a time.
Even if I can form them in succession, I am no match for him as he can release all of them at once!"

.....


What is bad about it? It's at worst a "retcon". But the complaint only looks like "it's not 1:1 the same as the VN" to me.


Finally someone is beginning to understand.

Why can't people accept that Fate/stay night has been retconed. Accept the new Fate/stay night as it is, or go home.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:40 AM

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man this anime is nearing its conclusion and yet the last two episodes were some of the most boring ones I have ever seen
the blood of the grail looked epic tho
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:42 AM

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LOL...


But... VN UBW ENDING SPOILER WARNING
 
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Excellent episode, Gilgamesh and Saber epicness, finally the cool characters are getting some action.

Finally someone gets it.

Fate when?


Gets it? So someone who praises the show gets it and a person who thought it wasn't the next coming of Jesus Christ is off base?
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Lol, people are now blatantly talking about shit that they haven't shown in the anime yet... the battle isn't over, you know? Everytime I see visual novel readers posting spoilers in the episode discussion thread without a tag, I can't help but shake my head in disbelief.
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:43 AM

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Ufotable didn't show this
 
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LOL...


But... VN UBW ENDING SPOILER WARNING


So much mana left...
 
Jun 13, 2015 11:44 AM
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KamiCity said:

Well according to saber and I think even archer said it, he's reached archers levels by now.
The whole origin thing, and what it is will be explained in the VN when you read it.

He never reaches Archers levels.
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LOL...


But... VN UBW ENDING SPOILER WARNING

Still more believable than UBW, too.
 
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BenMS said:
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Wasn't that a clash of Excalibur and EA?


Excalibur vs Ea was head to head battle, and Saber took a large hit from it. The way Ea is used in the anime is completely wrong... In all cases, including ufotable's own Fate/Zero, while Ea can use massive wave-attacks it is always completely destructive on everything if it uses the wave-type attack. Yet all the buildings still stand, Shirou still survives... and only the arm got destroyed.
It's BS.

Gil said he didn't use at his full power.
 
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Drake1000 said:
Ufotable didn't show this


Here:
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Lol, people are now blatantly talking about shit that they haven't shown in the anime yet... the battle isn't over, you know? Everytime I see visual novel readers posting spoilers in the episode discussion thread without a tag, I can't help but shake my head in disbelief.
 
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Who say that?


The visual novel.

http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20227/

"Kanshou and Bakuya cannot block his Noble Phantasms.
Archer should be able to with his technique, but I don't have that much skill."

So it isn't impossible with more Archer's skills.
Shirou block like one by one like that and Gil was going easy with him.
 
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Grey-Zone said:
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LOL...


But... VN UBW ENDING SPOILER WARNING


hey IT WAS NASU who wanted archer cast UBW against shirou at the ANSWER fight so thats means there is no problem with archer mana or with Independendent Action
 
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ChickenFry said:
Drake1000 said:
Ufotable didn't show this


Here:
FlamepriesT said:
Lol, people are now blatantly talking about shit that they haven't shown in the anime yet... the battle isn't over, you know? Everytime I see visual novel readers posting spoilers in the episode discussion thread without a tag, I can't help but shake my head in disbelief.


This scene was shown in the episode, I'm only pointing the fact that they missed that little detail. I also have a spoiler tag.
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Eylandos said:
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Finally someone gets it.

Fate when?


Gets it? So someone who praises the show gets it and a person who thought it wasn't the next coming of Jesus Christ is off base?

Gradationair is trolling but he doesn't have Zerodragon's skills.
 
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Fate/Stay bad. 2/10 for some nice CG.
 
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Gets it? So someone who praises the show gets it and a person who thought it wasn't the next coming of Jesus Christ is off base?

Gradationair is trolling but he doesn't have Zerodragon's skills.


That explains it.

What is with all these people giving really low scores to this weeks episode? I thought it was an above average episode but people are seriously giving it a 2/10? Wow.
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