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tsudecimo said: Lol, why in god's name, would I watch something I'm not even remotely interested in, for a dumb online argument. Other series, also have filler-ish, so what? Actually it was the other way around. Akame ga kill tries so hard to make every fight relevant and it's shit. |
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
 Also laughin at fuckin DIO just kinda jumping in and just pushin Joseph over as he's explaining shit to Jotaro oh man that was great animated. Oh hey another argument erupted I hope it's not about palettes this time |
TyrelJun 5, 2015 3:23 PM
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tsudecimo said: Lmao. Goodness, do we really have to go through this again? I thought this particular ignorance/misconception was over in these subforums. The original meaning of the word filler, is as the name suggests filling in. It doesn't only mean non-canon. The word wasn't created for anime, ya know. Monster of the week is not what makes the filler like fights, it's the relevance of those said fights, that determine if something is essential to the plot and story progression, or it's just there to fill in. Truth of the matter is, part 3 is annoyingly dragged with very weak excuses (that don't change their reality of them), is because, the author was still getting used to stands, and was trying to develop them, which doesn't change, that a good portion of fights and detours in the journey were pointless, and filler-ish. Keep denying the obvious, with dumb, inherently wrong notions tho, it's amusing. "it's the relevance of those said fights, that determine if something is essential to the plot, story progression and character development". Fixed, unless you mean to tell me that slice of life mangas are nothing but big fillers. "The original meaning of the word filler, is as the name suggests filling in" Yeah, but filling in what? There's nothing to fill in a manga, that's the work itself, fillers are there to fill the space between the manga and anime productions, since the latter is much faster. You can never call a manga chapter made by the author of the series filler. |
ColtBuntlineJun 5, 2015 3:09 PM
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| Loved this episode, the way that they revealed Dio's power here is fantastic. Can't wait for Dio vs Jotaro to continue next week. ORAORAORA! MUDAMUDAMUDA! Also, anyone debating aspects between different JoJo parts needs to put that shit in spoiler tags. It's still counted as spoilers regardless as to whether it happens in Part 3 or later to anime viewers, and it honestly reflects poorly on us the manga readers. If you must do it, either use spoiler tags or (preferably) take it to a different thread. |
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gedata said: Only thing that disappointed me this week is this one point is this comparison   I was also disappointed by this. Jotaro was walking up on Dio like a badass, with a hand in his pocket in the manga. |
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| WHAT?! No way Joseph's dead! I refuse to believe that! Damn you, Dio. |
| Kakyoin death was sick and beastly :'( That DIO and muda muda muda XD |
TyrelJun 20, 2015 7:01 PM
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Kaioken-Sama said: gedata said: Only thing that disappointed me this week is this one point is this comparison I was also disappointed by this. Jotaro was walking up on Dio like a badass, with a hand in his pocket in the manga. The ending scene has something similar to this scene , jotaro has his hands in his pockets and Dio has the same stance . |
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
| I loved the way The World's time stop was animated. Overall the episode was pretty much flawless. Dio is as scrupulous as ever by quickly dispatching both Kakyoin and Joseph without fooling around. Next, we'll finally see the awaited clash between Dio and Jotaro, can't way for more mudamudamuda and oraoraora awesomeness. |
TyrelJun 20, 2015 7:01 PM
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| people are using the term filler VERY wrong |
Kellhus said: tsudecimo said: The word wasn't created for anime, ya know. Back in the day the term filler was used exclusively to refer to material that was in the anime and not present in the manga. The term stuck and has since been used for when this happens in other anime. So to many anime fans, the word filler very much means non-canon. It's been established for a long time and those people aren't going to change their mind just because it upsets you. You're free to use the term however you like obviously but it will get confusing because people are going to wonder why you're so intent on going against a well established convention, want to correct you, misinterpret your point, etc. Thank you, for the very pointless input, that doesn't add anything to any sort of discussion. |
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tsudecimo said: Kellhus said: Back in the day the term filler was used exclusively to refer to material that was in the anime and not present in the manga. The term stuck and has since been used for when this happens in other anime. So to many anime fans, the word filler very much means non-canon. It's been established for a long time and those people aren't going to change their mind just because it upsets you. You're free to use the term however you like obviously but it will get confusing because people are going to wonder why you're so intent on going against a well established convention, want to correct you, misinterpret your point, etc. Thank you, for the very pointless input, that doesn't add anything to any sort of discussion. Thank you, for the very pointless input, that doesn't add anything to any sort of discussion. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
tsudecimo said: Thank you, for the very pointless input, that doesn't add anything to any sort of discussion. It added more to the discussion than you throwing a temper tantrum over nothing. I'm not sure if you think people are just making it up that filler means non-canon portions or what, but apparently you are immune to reason and can't accept that you're wrong even when the origin of the term is explicitly stated to you. If you want to intentionally use the term incorrectly and throw a fit when no one agrees with you, then by all means, feel free. |
| If Joseph is dead I'm gonna be very very upset......RIP tho Kakyoin :( Ora Ora Ora Ora vs Muda Muda Muda Muda next week and my body is not ready lol |
thedarkplayer said: KTTLOVE said: two final fights are basically two giant asspulls (star platinum/ the world and gold experience requiem/king crimson)JoJo hardly has asspulls if we are being honest Neither of those are asspulls in any way. |
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| It didn't add shit. It's common knowledge, that some people aren't aware of the original meaning of the word filler, doesn't mean I'm not going to correct them, if they say I'm using the word wrong, or don't understand it. What I did was actually discussion, not a pointless input, albeit most of it, actually all of it was off topic. Spare me your dismissive bullshit. The word filler has a meaning, just because it has another meaning in anime, doesn't mean the original meaning can't be applied, the term canon filler is already been used in manga discussion but it obviously not as known as non-canon meaning of filler. Using the original meaning doesn't make my usage of it incorrect, as I applied correctly, it all depends on the context. I don't even know why you are posting this nonsense, the person I was arguing with, already acknowledged the other meaning of the word filler, and moved on to discuss the original point of the argument, which is if part 3 has pointless fights/parts or not. People disagree with me thinking some fights are pointless, they don't disagree with the meaning of the word, since it's not even opinion based. If you and the other part 3 hardcore fans, would stop being so defensive, nobody would have problem letting go the filler nature of the part and not correcting y'all. But what do I know, I'm apparently a child throwing a tantrum because I'm having an argument, and a discussion about something harmless. Please cry some more, on why part 3 is criticized the most, for the monster week format and pretend it's not because the execution in it in the that aspect is by far the worst, and that every part has the same amount of pointless fights :/ |
tsudecimoJun 5, 2015 4:06 PM
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gedata said: I think this whole filler/no filler would be less dumb if people didn't immediately associate the word with being "not good" thedarkplayer said: two final fights are basically two giant asspulls (star platinum/ the world and gold experience requiem/king crimson) Not to mention Joseph lucking himself into winning against Cars. But you know, what I thought was nice about Joseph vs. Cars ending was that the anime openly acknowledges Joseph wins but circumstance/luck. Even Joseph pokes fun at it. It feels characteristic of Joseph Joestar's character. He's always seeming like he has this elaborate plan every outing even when it looks like he doesn't know what he's doing and in that last fight he admits that the ending came about by luck but he plays it off like another picture perfect Joseph Joestar plan which in hindsight makes the viewer question if some or all of his previous plans were luck or preconcieved which I thought was clever comedy for the viewer. And also in regards to someone bringing up Akame Ga Kill....but AGK sucks (imo)...why not just say "watch parts 1 an 2 of Jojo"? I mean you could argue part 1 and 2's episodicness too but it's a little more focused. Battle Tendency for instance (haven;t seen part 2 in a while so bear with my innaccuracies if they're present) Everything kind of makes sense and interconnects into a fluid story SC has kind of gone like -Jotaro finds out he has a stand, Dio is back and he must be killed in order to save his mother -Leaves for Egypt with the crew -A wild stand user appears -Jotaro and co. defeat wild stand user -Rinse and repeat until Egypt -Made it to Egypt -A wild stand user appears -Jotaro and co. defeat wild stand user -etc. etc. -Last 4 episodes Dio finally comes into the picture With character development interspersed Again, I'm not trying to trash SC because I'm enjoying it and it is entertaining (probably gonna wind up a 8/10 in my book) but that's kinda how I saw it. |
TyrelJun 20, 2015 6:59 PM
mugi said: Dio being able to fly (floating and long/high jumps) is due to his vampire powers, + Hamon + Stand powers (Stands are actually Hamon), + the law of physics defying power of being fabulous. Or their Stands lift them How are Stands Hamon? If that was the case, Polnareff could've killed Vanilla Ice with Silver Chariot. |
TyrelJun 20, 2015 6:59 PM
| Can you be more generic? ''you mad bro XDDDD!!!!'' I guess it's easier than replying to something, that point out your bullshit. |
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Fadeout4 said: tsudecimo said: every part has the same amount of pointless fights :/ See, I wouldn't consider a fight to be pointless as long as it's entertaining at face value, even if it doesn't contribute to an overarching plot. I consider most of Part 3's fights to be entertaining (all except Tower of Grey, Dark Blue Moon, Strength and Wheel of Fortune), and thus do not consider them to be pointless. And that's perfectly fine and logical. I was more referring to fights that don't add anything in particular to the story or characters. To be honest, I wouldn't have mind the filler-ish parts of Stardust, if I found them entertaining, but I didn't. I personally think part 3 would have been a lot better, if they arrived at Egypt a 40 chapters earlier. Most of the best moments in the part, where from Egypt, and I honestly couldn't give two shits, about Polenraff's subplot, so I wouldn't have mind if it didn't exist in the first place. |
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| darn kakyoin was one of my favorite characters too.. |
 "If I don't have to do it, I won't. If I have to do it, I'll make it quick." -Oreki Houtarou |
| Was hoping for an anime original ending where Kakyoin lives and gets Holly lol Still a possibility I believe in |
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| "I consider most of Part 3's fights to be entertaining and thus do not consider them to be pointless" "that's perfectly fine and logical" This is literally the point I made in the post that you got mad about so you actually agree with me anyway. |
KellhusJun 5, 2015 4:57 PM
Jerkhov said: Was hoping for an anime original ending where Kakyoin lives and gets Holly lol Still a possibility I believe in Don't worry, that will happen in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Stardust Crusaders Unlimited Emerald Splash |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
Hobgoblin2099 said: Gov said: Anyone want to explain to me how Dio can fly and why he has that yellow aura? I understand he is a vampire but that doesn't explain those two things I mentioned. He's just jumping really high. I assume the aura thing is just DavidPro taking liberties with either his killing intent or him having the World primed to be summoned. Best answer. |
| Ok dio i love yah man, but you need to die a horrible and painful death now. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Now this song is even more depressing. Kaioken-Sama said: gedata said: [/spoiler]Only thing that disappointed me this week is this one point is this comparison [spoiler] I was also disappointed by this. Jotaro was walking up on Dio like a badass, with a hand in his pocket in the manga. Yup, I agree as above. Just a slight minor point, nothing bad of course. Except that it was fucking amazing. I praise with all my might DP because they handled extraordinarily well the stop time of Dio, I genuinely got goosebumps there and of course at Kakyoin's death too, I also appreciated very much the new scenes of his background since I always thought it was something missing. ALMOST intense as Shiza, but still freaking satisfying. Thanks DP. |
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| MOTHER OF GOD. THIS EPISODE WAS SOOOOO FAST AND SO AWESOME. AND I HAVE TO WAIT ONE WEAK. muda muda muda x ora ora ora Ohhh hype, dont kill me.  |
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| I can't believe they used Kakyoins death watertower as the stage finisher for the cairo stage in all star battle...that's messed up man... DIO is finally here and in full swing and it's so glorious, it's just so great to see my favorite anime asshole back in action after so long...EVEN IF HE IS KILLING ALL MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS. I love hate this banana vampire SO MUCH. Also, it's worth mentioning that I knew as a guarantee that the look and sound of ZA WARUDO time stopping would be amazing, but once again my expectations were blown away harder than Kakyoins rib cage. And that's pretty damn hard. Next week, finally, there will be oras, and there will be mudas, and maybe even some construction vehicles. Oh god please construction vehicles |
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| Joseph, the Spiderstand. The best JoJo. And that why I can't accept that he died. I'm sure, he had put some overdrive in his throat or something like that. Right..? So it all come down to a ORA ORA ORA / MUDA MUDA MUDA clash. But Dio have a point, where is Polnareff hidding? I'm sure he'll be a trump card. Damn Kakyoin... Your death flag was waving over your head. Rest in peace, sweet prince. Even when you were young, you still had the same badass voice. That's some badassery. |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
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| Proceeds to cry rivers over Kakyoin just as I did during the manga, games, and OVA. |
| Tutturu ~ |
Kaioken-Sama said: gedata said: [/spoiler]Only thing that disappointed me this week is this one point is this comparison [spoiler] I was also disappointed by this. Jotaro was walking up on Dio like a badass, with a hand in his pocket in the manga. To be fair this is basically this page but with stands |
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| Agreed, that final scene right there made up for it. I assume DP thought that might have been cooler or something. Amazing episode, no complaints whatsoever. I also love the sound-effects for The World, it's so chilling every time he uses it. It really conveys that they're up against a near god right now. |
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Akanezora said: I think emotional attachement causes the SIEZUUUURE thing to have more impact. Like i like kakyoin but he doesnt have the same pull as ceaser did due to a lack of relationship with other characters. That and the whammu vs ceaser fight was just godly. Not to diminish this fantastic episode but it does just wrap aroudn to my complaint about the generally underwhelming cast this time around and how their lack of close camaraderie does detract alot from the series, they SAY they have that sense of camaraderie but I really dont see it and the times i do feel random(liek kakyoin and polnereff goofing off in a submarine orpolnereffs just suddenly realizing he liked iggy)ALMOST intense as Shiza, but still freaking satisfying. Thanks DP. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
HIPSTERMOONCAT said: Can we talk about how succulent the sfx of The World stopping time was? Yes, yes we can! They really went all out with Kakyoin's death scene. The imagery of the sparkiling Hierophant slowly crumbling and fading away was beautiful. The animation and the futility of his failed Emerald Splash before his successful one was superb as well. It's little details like this that made it such a great episode, fully agreed. |
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| Damn, Dio really has that inhuman look down. |
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NotJizzyHitler said: Akanezora said: I think emotional attachement causes the SIEZUUUURE thing to have more impact. Like i like kakyoin but he doesnt have the same pull as ceaser did due to a lack of relationship with other characters. That and the whammu vs ceaser fight was just godly. Not to diminish this fantastic episode but it does just wrap aroudn to my complaint about the generally underwhelming cast this time around and how their lack of close camaraderie does detract alot from the series, they SAY they have that sense of camaraderie but I really dont see it and the times i do feel random(liek kakyoin and polnereff goofing off in a submarine orpolnereffs just suddenly realizing he liked iggy)ALMOST intense as Shiza, but still freaking satisfying. Thanks DP. Well I won't argue about the emotional attachement because that's obviously subjective, and I won't even bring up what character is better because it feels kinda pointless, in my case it's more for a musical choice hence again subjective. Not to belittle Kakyoin's death OST which I found great but "Il mare eterno della mia anima", is still one of my favorites soundtrack of all times and hardly superable. That's why deep inside of me I'm still hoping for a comeback of Taku Iwasaki in the future. HIPSTERMOONCAT said: Can we talk about how succulent the sfx of The World stopping time was? They really went all out with Kakyoin's death scene. The imagery of the sparkling Hierophant slowly crumbling and fading away was beautiful. The animation and the futility of his failed Emerald Splash before his successful one was superb as well. +1 |
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| Finally a glimpse of ORA ORA and MUDA MUDA. |
| Amazing episode, didn't expect it to be so fast paced. Already 2 deaths, too bad Hamon isn't useful anymore. |
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| I wonder if there are still people who think Hamon is better than Stands now. |
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KaiserNazrin said: I wonder if there are still people who think Hamon is better than Stands now. I think that debate is inconsequential. Imo it really comes down to how both mediums are used strategically. Those types of intricacies is what has allowed both mediums to provide great bits. |
Champloo_Remix said: KaiserNazrin said: I wonder if there are still people who think Hamon is better than Stands now. I think that debate is inconsequential. Imo it really comes down to how both mediums are used strategically. Those types of intricacies is what has allowed both mediums to provide great bits. You are right , but you do realize that Araki came up with stands because he reached his limit with hamon right ? That means hamon was not a healthy power system to begin with. It lacks creativity and most of part 2's awesome stuff are workarounds to this basic power , right ? |
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
First of all, DIO is clearly a super saiyan. Secondly, What the fuck is up with Araki's agenda against animals, poor cat. No but seriously, 10/10 episode, DIO is probably the best part of the entire show. ZA WARUDO is the most OP bullshit ever, and hearing DIO say it twice this episode just made it better. Also, I'm guessing Joseph isn't dead yet, considering the narrator didn't come out and say it yet. |
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LPGeneratorx said: First of all, DIO is clearly a super saiyan. Secondly, What the fuck is up with Araki's agenda against animals, poor cat. No but seriously, 10/10 episode, DIO is probably the best part of the entire show. ZA WARUDO is the most OP bullshit ever, and hearing DIO say it twice this episode just made it better. Also, I'm guessing Joseph isn't dead yet, considering the narrator didn't come out and say it yet. Last episode Dio ran over a bunch of pedestrians, Araki pretty much treats humans and animals as equals |
Fadeout4 said: Juusan13 said: |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| ORA ORA and MUDA MUDA have clashed!!! I hope the universe can handle all this manliness!!! |
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