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Jun 1, 2015 7:33 PM

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Pretty big drop in art quality and the show isn't good enough to make up for it. At least Yu didn't get any chances to act like a retard or or repeat yet again how he's going to kill vampires without any training or help.
 
Jun 1, 2015 11:17 PM

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And you damn stupid arrow guy. Do you need someone to tell you to use your fucking weapon? You see a helicopter, shoot you stupid bloody moron!!! You are the only one with a long rage weapon. Who the fuck to you expect to shoot the damn thing down? Idiot!



omg MTE. I was so frustrated by that moron

First he asked Hiiragi if guys from before had same bows as he does, bitch told him no, your weapon is way better, AND HE STILL FUCKING DID NOTHING. I would shoot god damn birds to try it out, let alone helicopters full with vampires who are trying to kill you all
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Yoichi, why the heck do you need to wait for the others' signal to fire your arrows? I was, like, "Y U NO SHOOT?" and "U D ONLY LONG-RANGE TYPE!". SMH

That cliffhanger though. Damn! Mika vs. Guren. It's GDFR! XD



Because he didn't want to make a mistake? You understand that he could very well miss out of fear? ~.~
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Pretty big drop in art quality and the show isn't good enough to make up for it. At least Yu didn't get any chances to act like a retard or or repeat yet again how he's going to kill vampires without any training or help.


The art quality is fine. The animation of one darn scene drop and people start complaining ~.~
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Jun 2, 2015 12:06 AM
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For some reason I do not think the animation is that good, the characters look cool, I love the whole team thing going. We the older generation who look sick then we have the younger generation. The episode was nothing to special, I want to know how many nobles there are so hopefully we get introduced to more
 
Jun 2, 2015 2:10 AM

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A fine episode...nothing much to say...but that next episode preview Mika overpowered Lt. Guren!?
3/5.


 
Jun 2, 2015 2:23 AM

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Does feels like the end, about time for those two to be near each other "That's called love." I laughed with that phrase.

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So this is anime original? :O

Nice episode I liked the helicopter fights XD



What you people are complaining about is the ART STYLE lowering a bit in quality.
If you want high quality, you have to pay for blu ray, otherwise deal with it.

^that gif is great, not much anime have action scenes like that.
 
Jun 2, 2015 9:09 AM

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Both animation and artwork went to shit in this show.
Then they get into a war zone and everything is still so slow instead of fast crazy action and war. I was frustrated and bored every minute they were just standing there, i felt like throwing something on my TV.
And you damn stupid arrow guy. Do you need someone to tell you to use your fucking weapon? You see a helicopter, shoot you stupid bloody moron!!! You are the only one with a long rage weapon. Who the fuck to you expect to shoot the damn thing down? Idiot!
This show could have been a lot better but is being destroyed by bad technical department and an untalented director. Probably no budget ether.


Also lol at Mika walking away from that noble after getting down from that poll at around 11 minute. What was that walking animation? Was he perhaps making rehearsal for a fashion week for Victoria secret. Please someone make a gif of that so i can laugh my ass off.







ART STYLE as the word says is the style of the art(big eye characters or small eye characters etc). It can't drop in quality because is just a style. The artwork is what drops in quality. For Christ sake we have a bunch of people calling bad artwork as animation and now people calling artwork as art style.
LEARN YOUR FUCKING SHIT ALREADY PEOPLE. STOP USING WRONG TERMS FOR EVERYTHING.

I really agree with you, people need to know the difference!
Quality is different than the art work,
The art work is how its drawn,we can't do anything about it..
I really liked this episode though!


Facepalm!
You still got it wrong. Quality of the art IS THE ARTWORK.
The word says it by itself. Artwork is the work you put in the art. Basically if you didn't work it enough then you produced a mediocre result by not working on the art well or hard enough.
Art-style is what is different from quality and nothing can be done about it because it's the style of the show. Example: If i draw a moe big eye character in the Kyoani style. Someone doesn't like that type of style and thinks characters should have more emphasized noses and smaller eyes. That doesn't mean my drawing is bad, is just a different style. This a difference of taste lets say. If though i drew it and i did it in a hurry and it looks ten times worse than other people drawing similar styled characters then my artwork was lousy.
Animation is movement. Basically how well character move and how fluently and naturally they move. You can even draw stick figures and have nice animation. The art is irrelevant with animation.

I really don't get why people find this shit so hard to understand.
 
Jun 2, 2015 9:26 AM

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Monad said:

Facepalm!
You still got it wrong. Quality of the art IS THE ARTWORK.
The word says it by itself. Artwork is the work you put in the art. Basically if you didn't work it enough then you produced a mediocre result by not working on the art well or hard enough.
Art-style is what is different from quality and nothing can be done about it because it's the style of the show. Example: If i draw a moe big eye character in the Kyoani style. Someone doesn't like that type of style and thinks characters should have more emphasized noses and smaller eyes. That doesn't mean my drawing is bad, is just a different style. This a difference of taste lets say. If though i drew it and i did it in a hurry and it looks ten times worse than other people drawing similar styled characters then my artwork was lousy.
Animation is movement. Basically how well character move and how fluently and naturally they move. You can even draw stick figures and have nice animation. The art is irrelevant with animation.

I really don't get why people find this shit so hard to understand.


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Jun 2, 2015 1:15 PM

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"So if I start popping pills, I can become stronger? GIMMIE!"

The action was okay but the rest was kinda meh
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Jun 2, 2015 1:50 PM

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Can definitely notice the budget is not as much as it used to be, but that's normal I guess. This show feels a lot like some random Hollywood film because of all the explosions and crap.
Next episode looks hyped, looking forward to it.
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Jun 2, 2015 7:51 PM

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I'm so upset over the animation quality taking a dive
 
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Jun 3, 2015 3:08 AM
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Art, Animation, Music. Its not deserved what we hope for the one of the best anime in this season.
Big drop as fuck.
WIT studio who made AOT and is that all we got. -_-
 
Jun 3, 2015 7:10 AM

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As happened to Arslan, also here, despite not having the same impact; the graphics component plays an important role and should be handled well by the study Wit, but as for the Giants, you are not giving the best. The plot does not sit still willing to 100%, but it is not so bad after all. Shinoa is really sadistic in his speeches, while pleasing me as a character. Yu & Co. still no, but I see improvement, interesting new characters. Must make way for Mika more often, he must be characterized as a character, in fact. Sets and OST, always beautiful, horrible CG.

With this episode enters in the cast, also Mito; although I think it was better that there was the arrival of this "Mito", LOL! XD

 
Jun 3, 2015 7:29 AM

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Vampires high as f**k.. riding helicopters and s**t XD XD XD

That's pretty cool that the vampires also have a modern technology.. Guess we have some action scene at the beginning although so far Yu and co only fight fodders, but it's still good nevertheless..

The second half of the episode is pretty much a build up for the next episode.. It's great to see Guren's squad.. they seems badass.. and it's also nice to see some of mika past with krul.. So as for now, Mika still refuse to drink human's blood but he survive by drinking krul's blood instead.. interesting.. and it seems in the next episode we'll get mika vs guren.. I'm pretty hyped for it.. Hope we can see a great action next episode..

Overall another great episode.. Definitely can't wait to see the following episode next week..
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Jun 3, 2015 8:26 AM

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I don't get why people are complaining about the animation just now, it was noticeable since Ep. 1 (or maybe I've watched AoT too many times). I'm blaming it on the director and probably a much lower budget compared to AoT. Most of the time is not that the animation is not that fluid (you can do wonders with limited animation if you're clever), I'd say the choice of angles is a big part of the problem, many scenes just don't look as dynamic as in the manga. They're probably saving animation resources for key episodes. Hats off to that scene with them jumping to block the helicopter fire, though.



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Jun 3, 2015 9:24 AM

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Personally the animation style isn't really too big of a bother, I don't really have any qualms with the backgrounds and scenery being painted like pallets. If anything, it reminds me of the old Gundam Wing era style, which was perfectly fine with me.

The only thing I do have an issue with is the fact that the animation used makes everyone move at an unnaturally slow pace. Even in this episode, what with all the Apaches scenes and the close-up battles, it didn't feel all that terribly thrilling as I would a regular fighting scene. But it was most jarring when I watched the Colonel walk Yuu and the others to their vehicle, the movements were slow and jerky throughout, and made all the worse when that subordinate walked up and started talking (the mouth movements looked so unnatural). I don't know why it feels so apparent only in this show.

Anyway, about the episode, I really don't have much to say. They showcased Guren's personal squad, and his squad is badass as ever. However, short of that and the plane crash into the Shinjuku wall, I don't recall any of the events which transpired here as having occured in the manga.... a filler episode just for the sake of pushing back the eventual battle and meeting between Yuu and Mika till the end of the season really doesn't help anyone. I'd rather if we finished this battle and got to some of the internal politicking within the Japanese Imperial Army at the end of this cour instead. It would make the end of the cour less exciting, but at least you wouldn't need to waste minutes of filler nothingness...
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kchorrex2012 said:
I don't get why people are complaining about the animation just now, it was noticeable since Ep. 1 (or maybe I've watched AoT too many times). I'm blaming it on the director and probably a much lower budget compared to AoT. Most of the time is not that the animation is not that fluid (you can do wonders with limited animation if you're clever), I'd say the choice of angles is a big part of the problem, many scenes just don't look as dynamic as in the manga. They're probably saving animation resources for key episodes. Hats off to that scene with them jumping to block the helicopter fire, though.



About the pills


*In 15 minutes. If they take 2 or more before the first wears off, they can get badly urrr, destroyed, lol.
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kchorrex2012 said:
mira-nyan said:


*In 15 minutes. If they take 2 or more before the first wears off, they can get badly urrr, destroyed, lol.

Manga spoiler:


But Guren is
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Jun 3, 2015 4:02 PM

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I take back what I said, I just re-read to confirm and apparently

Totally agreed though, 2 is considered dangerous enough.
 
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I take back what I said, I just re-read to confirm and apparently

Totally agreed though, 2 is considered dangerous enough.


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Jun 3, 2015 4:19 PM

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mira-nyan said:
kchorrex2012 said:
I take back what I said, I just re-read to confirm and apparently

Totally agreed though, 2 is considered dangerous enough.


I see

haha That's precisely why I re-read it, I didn't realize this the first time I read it.
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Jun 3, 2015 8:54 PM

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Rip Guren.

 
Jun 4, 2015 2:57 AM

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>Great action
>Shinoa with her endless cuteness. Gosh that scene with drugs xD
>Little (loli) vampire queen with her adorable voice
>poor Mika
>Bad-ass Guren with his fellows

What do I need more? Just brilliant episode
 
Jun 4, 2015 1:40 PM

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Heli lost vs arrows?? I know this is fantasy demon weapons and shit but give some logic man.....ok ep cant wait for guren vs mika. Godamn the vampires know how to ride in style.
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Heli lost vs arrows?? I know this is fantasy demon weapons and shit but give some logic man.....ok ep cant wait for guren vs mika. Godamn this vampires know how to drive in style.


Think of it as the arrows being bombs.
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Jun 5, 2015 1:03 AM

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Man they are really dragging out the Yuuichirou and Mikaela encounter, the episode was good though. Hope the second seasons doesn't drop.
 
Jun 5, 2015 7:52 AM
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Monad said:
mafia_princess said:

I really agree with you, people need to know the difference!
Quality is different than the art work,
The art work is how its drawn,we can't do anything about it..
I really liked this episode though!


Facepalm!
You still got it wrong. Quality of the art IS THE ARTWORK.
The word says it by itself. Artwork is the work you put in the art. Basically if you didn't work it enough then you produced a mediocre result by not working on the art well or hard enough.
Art-style is what is different from quality and nothing can be done about it because it's the style of the show. Example: If i draw a moe big eye character in the Kyoani style. Someone doesn't like that type of style and thinks characters should have more emphasized noses and smaller eyes. That doesn't mean my drawing is bad, is just a different style. This a difference of taste lets say. If though i drew it and i did it in a hurry and it looks ten times worse than other people drawing similar styled characters then my artwork was lousy.
Animation is movement. Basically how well character move and how fluently and naturally they move. You can even draw stick figures and have nice animation. The art is irrelevant with animation.

I really don't get why people find this shit so hard to understand.

Then i guess i understood it wrong..That means that art style is the thing that doesn't change,and the art work is the quality of the work..
Yeah i guess i mixed with the art work and art style..Clearly they are different than each other.Well believe it those things could confuse anyone,and i am willing to learn.Thanks Btw for clarifying those defenitions for me, Appreciate it
 
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Finally catched up, this week was much better than last week's mess. I had no issues with the art, thought the action was up to standard.

I presume Guren would die? I didn't read the manga.
 
Jun 6, 2015 4:30 AM

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A better episode than the previous, nice explanation about Mika and the pills. I am looking forward to the next.
PS: the animation is still weird
 
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For some reason I do not think the animation is that good, the characters look cool, I love the whole team thing going. We the older generation who look sick then we have the younger generation. The episode was nothing to special, I want to know how many nobles there are so hopefully we get introduced to more


It's not really clear how many nobles exist. Not even the name of a 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and so on was ever mentioned, but the manga has shown 8 nobles with their names until now.
 
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Dracur said:
zeebra said:
For some reason I do not think the animation is that good, the characters look cool, I love the whole team thing going. We the older generation who look sick then we have the younger generation. The episode was nothing to special, I want to know how many nobles there are so hopefully we get introduced to more


It's not really clear how many nobles exist. Not even the name of a 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and so on was ever mentioned, but the manga has shown 8 nobles with their names until now.

We know up to the 19th so far.
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Shinoa cheerfully handing out deadly pills...

Yoichi needs to be quicker on the draw. Take out the chopper, and everyone else in one shot... naw, it's ok, let them land and kill people.
 
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shooting down armored helicopters with bows and arrows.

lol this show gets dumber by the minute.
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All Dat QUALITY XD

Guren's reaction to being seen from that distance was amusing :3



Inori_is_love said:
inb4 Mika kills Yu's friends this is getting realy good

also still can't decide

Yu x Mika
or
Yu x Shinoa


MikaxYuu all the way for me.


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Huh, so it's Guren who meets Mikaela first and not Yuichiro. They'r really trying to drag out that inevitable meeting aren't they? At any rate, this was quite an enjoyable episode with a fair bit of action.

Also, I'm a bit confused with that pill? Do they only die from three of them if they take three in one go or do they die if they take three overall?


Definitely trying to drag it out. At this point, I'm assuming that they want to get to chapter 15 and end it there.


They die if they take three consecutive pills, not three overall. Once the effects dissipate one recovers, the amount it takes to kill restarts.


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Can demon weapons not cut through rock? That's an insult to all of those demons who gave them power.


I'm guessing that that could lead to the structure collapsing or something. Anyway, they had to bring the guy to safety and they were split up as evenly as they could have. No need to risk a collapse underground at that point, I guess.


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Next episode actually looks exciting. Though, this show would be a lot less cringy if Yu was a girl.. Too bad


Not a bad idea actually. I like it. But I also rather love BL, so I'm cool with this.


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Guren is still my favorite.


Same here. I mean, he's suspicious as hell, but I love him anyway. He's still my favorite character so far, and I don't think that will change at this point even as a manga reader (though behind).

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So this is anime original? :O


Unfortunately so. The whole underground thing is original and personally I find it rather unnecessary.


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Looks like the budget is starting to run low
 
Jun 12, 2015 2:06 PM

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The action was better this episode and hopefully with Mika vs Guren next time the action will be better. The one thing that bugs me in this anime is how easy the vampires die in it...they're supposed to be crazy strong aren't they? Even a low ranking one should be enough.
 
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The action was better this episode and hopefully with Mika vs Guren next time the action will be better. The one thing that bugs me in this anime is how easy the vampires die in it...they're supposed to be crazy strong aren't they? Even a low ranking one should be enough.



Yes, but the demon weapons.
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mira-nyan said:
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The action was better this episode and hopefully with Mika vs Guren next time the action will be better. The one thing that bugs me in this anime is how easy the vampires die in it...they're supposed to be crazy strong aren't they? Even a low ranking one should be enough.



Yes, but the demon weapons.


It still shouldn't be that easy, nobles are strong but the ones below them seem like fodder. Too easily defeated to be actually considered a threat imo. Where is their super speed and strength? It doesn't seem like the lower ranking vampires even have those :/
 
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xcess090 said:
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Yes, but the demon weapons.


It still shouldn't be that easy, nobles are strong but the ones below them seem like fodder. Too easily defeated to be actually considered a threat imo. Where is their super speed and strength? It doesn't seem like the lower ranking vampires even have those :/


They do have super speed and strength. Episode 2 is an example when one escaped. The high ranking demon weapons give them the strength of vampires, especially the black demon ones. Just one slash with the curse enabled would kill a low ranking vamp. And, no, low ranking vampires most likely have 3rd or lowest ranked vampire weapons.
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mira-nyan said:
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It still shouldn't be that easy, nobles are strong but the ones below them seem like fodder. Too easily defeated to be actually considered a threat imo. Where is their super speed and strength? It doesn't seem like the lower ranking vampires even have those :/


They do have super speed and strength. Episode 2 is an example when one escaped. The high ranking demon weapons give them the strength of vampires, especially the black demon ones. Just one slash with the curse enabled would kill a low ranking vamp. And, no, low ranking vampires most likely have 3rd or lowest ranked vampire weapons.


Okay you're right about the weapon and I'm not really disagreeing with that, it's the speed and power lower ranking vampires can use in a fight but don't that bugs me. The demon weapons can kill a vampire I get that but that doesn't mean anything if it doesnt connect. You said the demon weapons give them the strength of vampires but you didn't mention speed which should've given the vampires an advantage and actually make them more of a threat but it doesnt. Mitsu and Shinoa aside, the 3 boys who just got the weapons shouldn't be able to kill those vampires that easily, even if the vampires are using lower level weapons their natural abilities should more than compensate for that. But it doesn't or at least I don't see it.
 
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xcess090 said:
mira-nyan said:


They do have super speed and strength. Episode 2 is an example when one escaped. The high ranking demon weapons give them the strength of vampires, especially the black demon ones. Just one slash with the curse enabled would kill a low ranking vamp. And, no, low ranking vampires most likely have 3rd or lowest ranked vampire weapons.


Okay you're right about the weapon and I'm not really disagreeing with that, it's the speed and power lower ranking vampires can use in a fight but don't that bugs me. The demon weapons can kill a vampire I get that but that doesn't mean anything if it doesnt connect. You said the demon weapons give them the strength of vampires but you didn't mention speed which should've given the vampires an advantage and actually make them more of a threat but it doesnt. Mitsu and Shinoa aside, the 3 boys who just got the weapons shouldn't be able to kill those vampires that easily, even if the vampires are using lower level weapons their natural abilities should more than compensate for that. But it doesn't or at least I don't see it.


Yeah, I forgot to mention speed.

Anyways, they have the highest class weapons.

The Black Demon weapons are literally the old progenitors.

Ashuramaru, for example is
. Meaning he's very high ranking.
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This episode was pretty meh. The only moment I liked was Mito being a boss. That was nice. I am starting to lose my interest in this anime, hope next episode is good.
 
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Good lord this show takes it SWEET ASS TIME TO DO ANYTHING.

Its got the pacing of a 25 episode season. but this only 12 (13?) episodes... what are they planning to do?
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Good lord this show takes it SWEET ASS TIME TO DO ANYTHING.

Its got the pacing of a 25 episode season. but this only 12 (13?) episodes... what are they planning to do?


They are doing a split cor.

Still the pacing for this anime is horrid so far. You can easily see them stretching out everything to where it becomes tedious. The animation does not help this as it feels slapped together and heavily rushed resulting in it looking slow as hell.
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So basically Shinoa just told them that this drug causes "redness or warmth in your face, neck, or chest;
cold symptoms such as stuffy nose, sneezing, or sore throat; headache; memory problems; diarrhea, upset stomach; muscle pain, back pain, and death" all with a smile on her face. GTFOOH!!! She is such a shitty character!

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Pretty intense episode! Let's see what's next.
 
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How the fuck are people considering this edgy teen garbage okay? We get how all the cool school kids get the dope weapons but to make every grown up, side character worth peanuts questions me to wonder if this is really a war for humanity at all. Where are the planes and helicopters coming from, did the vampires all graduate at flight academy? Where the drugs at? This is entire show is like Aldnoah.Zero all over again, maybe even worse.
 
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Sooooo vampires get helicopters and cargo planes but humans get swords and arrows? Isn't this a little backwards? What happened to all the rocket launchers and machine guns? The humans lost ALL of them during the apocalypse? Which brings me to another point. When are mystical weapons going to upgrade? Like, are there any mystical creatures left to form sacred grenades or a demon sawed off shotgun? It's always the enchanted crossbow or the demon blade lol
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Sooooo vampires get helicopters and cargo planes but humans get swords and arrows? Isn't this a little backwards? What happened to all the rocket launchers and machine guns? The humans lost ALL of them during the apocalypse? Which brings me to another point. When are mystical weapons going to upgrade? Like, are there any mystical creatures left to form sacred grenades or a demon sawed off shotgun? It's always the enchanted crossbow or the demon blade lol


The Vamps stole the humans' tech. Remember that at some point the Earth was pretty much filled with teenagers and under.
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