Hachiman's Relationship

ShrewOne said:

Yui is pretty popular in Japan as she took 1st place and Iroha in close 2nd for 2015 spring anime best girl rankings. Poll was recently took between 6/8/2015-6/13/2015. http://yusaani.com/animation/2015/06/13/141923/

testamentKAISER said:

Ok, why is Hestia's pic the only one different compared to all the other girls. Just saying.

DarklordVor said:

Why is Hestia's picture is not her face, but her "feature" lol.

kitkatxz said:
I refuse to take this poll seriously when hestia picture is litterally her boob string >.>

Yondy375 said:
Of course Yukino is the LN favorite. She is flawed and LN readers love flawed girls. Such depth given to a anti-social catwoman.

Riveon said:

Iroha should be higher...


People voted for her "plot" not her face. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

CutePriest said:
I can hardly believe this poll if Saber is not in it.

poll said:

19位：戸塚彩加／俺ガイル（155)

GrandTemplar said:


I think Yukino is a flawless girl.

LordBanana said:


You speak of it as if the other girls are flawless.

coffeetenshi said:
Iroha's popularity most likely comes from the fact that everyone has had memories of one of those girls while growing up. Yui is just so bubbly and well-liked.

bobzanny said:

I'd also say that Iroha has a good mix of being cute like Yui but she also has a darker side which is nice. Though to have all 3 main girls in the top 10, no matter how trivial, is no easy feat.

coffeetenshi said:


True, especially considering how Yukino's character does not always echo with the audience in the same way Yui and Iroha do.

bobzanny said:

I'd also say that Iroha has a good mix of being cute like Yui but she also has a darker side which is nice. Though to have all 3 main girls in the top 10, no matter how trivial, is no easy feat.

PrevE said:

top 10 of what?

coffeetenshi said:


The most popular female characters in animes this season.

PrevE said:
and where could i view that list?

NudeBear said:
ep 9 pretty much killed the yuixhachiman ship

It's over guys.

aoinosekai said:

What Hachiman's relationship do you want at the end of Oregairu?

My favorite relation for Hachiman is Hachiman x Yui:

Here is my list :
1. Hachiman x Yui
2. Hachiman x Komachi
3. Hachiman x Iroha
4. Hachiman x Yukino
5. Hachiman x Hiratsuka-sensei
6. Hachiman x Ebina

What about you?

[UPDATE]
I have added three options.

_Charl said:


I think Yukino is a flawless girl.

pakyu said:

i think the only flawless thing in yukino is her skin

CutePriest said:

Read the recent volume 11 or spoilers from 4chan she is the most broken individual at the moment.

_Charl said:
Don't quote old post, man. It was before volume 11 released.

HatsumiShinogu said:


Does the fact that she is the most broken or flawed character warrant that she should get Hachiman? It's true that he might be interested in her but we still don't know that she is the one he's going to end up with.

_Charl said:


Why should he quote a post that posted before volume 11?

_Charl said:


Where can I find Watari post that she the most flawed girl in /8manthedarknight/?

OT: It's Watari's opinion, tho. Do you think that she's that bad?

_Charl said:
Yui loves me, coffeetenshi. Stop pairing my sweetie with 8man.

coffeetenshi said:
Yui at it stands at Vol. 11, appears to have ceded in the competition.

Vaultec said:

Yui is too clung on her circle of friends including her social status in the Hayama Clique and keeping the service club together. i.e. She doesn't talk to Hikki at all in public during S1 oregairu, somewhat feels like shes ashamed of her crush on 8man.

vangoz said:
I'm on Yui ship.

After rereading the LN from vol 1 (with lots of skipping), my thought is as following

Yukino: the one he admires and wants to understand

In the beginning Yukino treats 8man like shit, lots and lots of insulting. Their bickering can't even be called conversation, more like trading insult with each other. Only after some time she starts to gain respect of him, most likely on Summer Camp arc (when he "helped" Rumi), and starts to act somewhat jealous on the Festival arc when Haruno teases 8man.

But it goes downhill because of the fake confession arc, she goes astray until the "genuine" speech by 8man, in which she seems to open up again. From this point on she seems to develop feelings (or something else, dependence?) for 8man, which I think is too fast actually, until it reached its peak on the latest Valentine arc. And Yukino's hints make 8man more conscious of her because he's been attracted to her from the beginning.

What I get from 8man and Yukino's interaction is more like a damsell in distress and the shining(?) knight who keeps helping her... I think their conversation is more focused on Yukino's problems, though I won't deny that 8man is obviously attracted to her. It contributes much to Yukino's development because she's opening up and starts to rely on her friends (not only 8man but also Yui). But their interaction doesn't do much to help 8man's character development.
My opinion is they're better off as friends with similar philosophy rather than romantic relationship.

Yui: the wonderful girl (stated by 8man several times in LN)

If we go by chronology then she's the first one who 8man helped by sacrificing himself, though he helped her not because it's her. So the obvious Yui's crush go on until the reset button, in which their relationship was fixed by Yukino (most glorious Yukino's moment IMO, where she actually went to get Yui back on her own decision and solved 8man-Yui problem). Well from that point Yui still keeps approaching 8man no matter how many times she gets indirect rejection, until the latest arc. And I believe she's the first girl he can consider as friend (on the same level as Totsuka and Zaimokuza, people that try to reach out to him but he keeps denying)

I like Yui and 8man's interaction when the 2 are alone together. Though awkward because Yui's obvious advance and 8man who keeps their distance, I have hope that there is something at the end of the line, at least on last episode 8man invited her about the promised date himself (not to mention on Valentine mood). I found their moments to be the most romantic in the whole series (which are downplayed in the anime IMO). She's the one who keeps supporting 8man from the beginning and contributes more to his character development (helping him get past his trauma by keep trying to show him that her feelings is sincere, and not because she's a nice girl). Their philosophy is clashing (Hachiman wants true relationship without sugarcoating, Yui is fine with compromising with others to keep "good" relationship), but that's why they can complement each other to reach the "right answer".

Well at least I can only hope that 8man and Yui's interactions throughout the entire series will not be in vain. Even if the ship doesn't sail, Watari should resolve their relationship in a good way. Otherwise there will be rage.

CutePriest said:

I am on Yukino ship ( have read every volume till 10 )

8man never takes Yukino's statement as insults. She was surprised by how he was able to see Haruno's facade and complimemted him. Also she starts taking interest in him from volume 2 as she admits it was fun to be with him as they depart to go home. In the camp arc she admits that even though his methods are wrong he tried to do something good and praises hem while Yui thinks otherwise.

She gets mad at him because he sacrifices himself for superficial relationship and for people who barely care about him. Also because they both hate superficiality. She doesn't open up quickly after 'genuine' speech rather she gets mad as she can't comprehend his actions. Her somewhat dependence is first shown in volume 10 while they met Yukimom not before. Also she is the one who is trying to give him something genuine and always reminds him about that.

Yukino has never acted as a damsell in distress and 8man has also never acted like a shining knight. Their interactions are the most natural and interesting in the series whether they are insults or praises. Also Yukino has never shared any of her problems with 8man or Yui till volume 11. Actually her interactions add a lot to 8man's development just her one sentence "I thought you wold understand" actually makes 8man believe that he want wrong somewhere. Also his changing view on Yukino also plays a MAJOR role in his character development. Yukino is the first person to whom 8man has asked to be his friend(even in volume 1) which also proves that she is the first girl he considered as friend.

When 8man and Yukino are alone their interactions are most interesting and add a lot to their character. I like them mainly because they are not the usual girl making advances and the guy getting flustered. They feel natural as compared to his interactions with Yui. Rather than always helping or praising him she also points out his mistakes and he does the same for her in volume 11, that also proves how open they act with each other. Being supportive does not mean always praising or going with the flow.

All the Yukino and 8man scenes mutual while most of the Yui scenes are one-sided. Hence even though Yukino has less romantic moments they shine the most.
8man feels most comfortable around Yukino. Also his monologues on Yukino and his wish to understand her more also shows his growing attraction towards her throughout the series. She feels the same way towards him as hinted and pretty much shown in the latest volume.

These two individuals are learning a lot from each other and have developed a lot by first mistaking about predicting each other and after knowing their mistakes trying to understand each other.

8man has asked Yukino to be his friend in volume 1, again in volume 6 and if 12 is the last one then he will ask her again but what he will ask is something even i can't comprihend ;)

vangoz said:


Yeah, I can somewhat accept Yukino's contribution to 8man's development because she's the "problem generator" and because of 8man's inherent attraction to her that intrigued him to keep questioning, but not so much because of their interaction, that's what I think.

About praising and pointing out his mistakes, that apply to both Yukino and Yui, with their bad cop-good cop role. Yui also points out his mistake ("You need to think more of how others feel") and frequently tells him to have more positive views via their conversations.

Yukino and 8man's bickering is fun to read (though it decreases really a lot in recent chapters, and becomes more like teasing lately) and they have the synergy because of their similar intellectual level and loner experience. Though it doesn't mean they should have romantic relationship, is what I think.

I won't say Yui scenes are one-sided, because several times 8man's monologue says he "wants to take at least one step forward", whatever that could be interpreted as. One of the defining moment in their relationship is the Festival arc, where Yui, the "everybody's friend", tells 8man that "People are a real pain" (omitted from anime). Later on 8man asks for Yui's help to fill in a form even though he could ask anyone else, because "it's easy to rely on Yuigahama". I think that shows that they're starting to open up to each other.

In a way Yui also acts as YukixHachi shipper because several times she asked 8man to "help Yukino when she needs it", which (I hope it doesn't happen this way ;_;) could backfire on Yui.

Anyway the ending is on Wataru's hand, and by trend and storyline I know Yukino has much higher chance (2nd most important character and the most explored character in the story, while Yui doesn't have any background story). I'm hoping a non-standard ending where the main heroine is not the end-girl, but the probability is slim. The least I can hope is a good resolution that doesn't spoil the story so far.

CutePriest said:

How is Yukino a problem generator?? Please elaborate. Yui never rejects his methods while Yukino does, she tries to come up with various different methods so that he doesn't have to sacrifice himself as shown in volume 8. All Yui says is that she doesn't want something like that.

They are not similar they even admit that they thought they were similar but that was not the case. The reason for both of them to be loners is completely different. They feel attracted to each other and whether they SHOULD have romantic feelings for each other is not something we can decide.

The "step forward" sentence generally points to his hatred for nice girls , he wants to take a step forward means he is ready to look at nice girls from a different perspective as he also says that Miura is a nice girl.

You are saying it as if 8man helps yukino(in the cultural fest arc) only because Yui tells him to, which is not the case.

The novels have yet to end, Watari is still holding a lot of cards about Yukino in the back. Watari has focused the whole story on her as the plot revolves around her even more than 8man. Yukino is at her weakest at volume 11 but on this point on wards it's hard to predict her actions as well. If Yukino shows great development and wins 8man on her merit then i don't see why it is standard ending. You are downplaying Yukino's importance just because she is the main girl and you don't prefer her.