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ZetaZaku said: I'd take Malaysian dubs over English dubs any day, one at least has great comedy value while the other is pure cringe.All English voice actors suck. Only Malaysian people voice acting in English can do a competent job at English voice acting. |
SeibaaHomu said: offmodel said: Yeah, ADV did make some pretty good dubs back in the day. Also, all the non Sentai dubs done at Seraphim that I've heard sound just fine. The same goes for some of Sentai's more popular titles so I'm guessing that it's a lack of funding on Sentai's end. They probably decided with some of the less popular shows (Considering Funimation, Aniplex and Viz get all the popular stuff I'd that's about 80% of their library) that they could save money by skipping or at least rushing through some of the steps in the adaptation process. I would agree with that, for sure, it's the main difference I notice since the switch from ADV to Sentai. AFAIK, it's still the old Seraphim/Amusement Park studio, but they don't seem to get the same resources they used to (sometimes they do though, like with Appleseed/Captain Harlock, but I think that's because of Warner Bros.) EDIT: Just to explain that, Seraphim did the Harlock dub, but you can't get it in the U.S. - legally - yet. Here's a clip: 2nd EDIT: I just looked into it, apparently the DVD is out, but not the BD. I thought both were supposed to hit at the same time, but apparently not (the Japanese BD doesn't have the dub on it, just FYI, I already have that one) - I'm holding out for the U.S. BD though, not sure what is up with it. You can apparently get the HD version with the dub via Amazon's VOD service, though. You can import the Australian or UK BD with the dub, though (I may or may not have seen a rip of this awhile back). Although what puzzles me is why they'd even make the English dub in the first place if they thought the show's popularity wouldn't justify putting the appropriate amount of effort in to do it justice. I mean, is there really an audience of people out there who are into niche stuff but at the same time are vehemently dub only to the point where they don't care how good the voice acting is or whether the show retains what made the original series so good? I don't think anyone wanted Penguindrum's dub to turn out the way it did and from I've gathered it didn't sell too well. I know that 99 times out of 100 there's inevitably going to be a crowd of people who blindly rant and rave no matter how good or bad a dub is. And in the years I've been watching anime the only dub I've seen get an overwhelmingly positive response on the day it was revealed from all corners of the fandom is Panty & Stocking probably because of the obvious American influences and the general consensus that 'Who the fuck are you calling a whore you god damn cunt' sounds a lot funnier than 'Who are you calling a whore?' But it's mostly people like me who actually watch English dubs on a pretty regular basis and pay attention to what all the western companies are doing that are criticising Sentai. FGAU1912 said: Not that this is the first time that I've doubted your Japanese heritage, but 'Goku' is not pronounced 'Gogoo'.lest they got propr engtrasltion of the songs unllkie the us dub witch raped some of the modt loved anison s=of all time Pretty sure that if something gets dubbed, they obviously think the dub is going to sell like hotcakes, otherwise they wouldn't bother, being the money grubbing business that it is today and all. |
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| No, I like many English VAs. I watch both dubs & subs, and I usually go for dubs first if they exist, and are uncut, but I don't really have any problem with Japanese VAs either. |
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| Depends on the anime. A lot of things are lost in translation from English to Japanese, though certain anime cover for that in other ways. Personally, I think Crispin Freeman is the greatest English VA and made watching the dub for Hellsing enjoyable. |
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Working_Designs said: So you've decided to come back to the forums after all?No, I like many English VAs. I watch both dubs & subs, and I usually go for dubs first if they exist, and are uncut, but I don't really have any problem with Japanese VAs either. |
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Comic_Sans said: Working_Designs said: So you've decided to come back to the forums after all?No, I like many English VAs. I watch both dubs & subs, and I usually go for dubs first if they exist, and are uncut, but I don't really have any problem with Japanese VAs either. Yeah, for now. |
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Working_Designs said: And you still believe that Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei is seinen?Comic_Sans said: So you've decided to come back to the forums after all? Yeah, for now. |
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Comic_Sans said: Working_Designs said: And you still believe that Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei is seinen?Yeah, for now. Well, it's not aimed toward 8 year old kids. |
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| I hate dubs Look at this Angel Beats dub. Skip to 4:33 Like, what the hell was that cry LOL? He was like euguegehgeheugueghehgegdg |
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Working_Designs said: Well, it's not a seinen eitherComic_Sans said: And you still believe that Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei is seinen? Well, it's not aimed toward 8 year old kids. Tehqo said: I think someone was trying to strangle the voice actor. Poor boiiI hate dubs Look at this Angel Beats dub. Skip to 4:33 [yt*]H3Z-Cv-kAzs[/yt] Like, what the hell was that cry LOL? He was like euguegehgeheugueghehgegdg |
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Comic_Sans said: Working_Designs said: Well, it's not a seinen eitherWell, it's not aimed toward 8 year old kids. Okay then, what would you call it? |
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Working_Designs said: 17+Comic_Sans said: Well, it's not a seinen either Okay then, what would you call it? Psychological A great tale about life Not a seinen |
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| The few dubs i watched were pretty good. Take Baccano for example ~ |
KawaiiWeeabz said: Yeah, Baccano! was great. I actually enjoyed it as much as the subThe few dubs i watched were pretty good. Take Baccano for example ~ |
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| For me, watching dub can be awkward at times. I am not too sure why. I like the dub for Cowboy, DB series, Black Butler, Bleach and a couple of others. Definitely not TTGL. |
Tehqo said: Do not, I repeat, DO NOT use a Sentai Filmworks dub if you want to explain why all dubs are bad. It's equivalent to using Hitler as an example of why all German people are evil.I hate dubs Look at this Angel Beats dub. Skip to 4:33 Like, what the hell was that cry LOL? He was like euguegehgeheugueghehgegdg Dark_Chaos said: Well Sentai must not know the market very well if they thought people would buy Shiawase no Pan. And more recently they've decided to dub Magical Warfare which wasn't popular by any stretch and was so shitty that the author of the source material publicly renounced it.Pretty sure that if something gets dubbed, they obviously think the dub is going to sell like hotcakes, otherwise they wouldn't bother, being the money grubbing business that it is today and all. And as I said, there's a clear difference in effort between this shit and some of their more popular titles like Watamote. |
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| I quite liked the FMA:B English voice acting. I prefer subs to dubs because I am super picky about words used and since I don't understand a single word of Japanese, I can watch the anime and not cringe at every mispronunciation. Saying that ALL english dubs and dubbing artists suck would be a little harsh. You should listen to hindi dubs. |
SeibaaHomu said: Tehqo said: Do not, I repeat, DO NOT use a Sentai Filmworks dub if you want to explain why all dubs are bad. It's equivalent to using Hitler as an example of why all German people are evil.I hate dubs Look at this Angel Beats dub. Skip to 4:33 Like, what the hell was that cry LOL? He was like euguegehgeheugueghehgegdg Dark_Chaos said: Well Sentai must not know the market very well if they thought people would buy Shiawase no Pan. And more recently they've decided to dub Magical Warfare which wasn't popular by any stretch and was so shitty that the author of the source material publicly renounced it.Pretty sure that if something gets dubbed, they obviously think the dub is going to sell like hotcakes, otherwise they wouldn't bother, being the money grubbing business that it is today and all. And as I said, there's a clear difference in effort between this shit and some of their more popular titles like Watamote. There will always be an exception to the rule, as even in this money grubbing industry, people still take risks and break away from the safe tropes. Dark_Chaos said: Pretty sure that if something gets dubbed, they obviously think the dub is going to sell like hotcakes, otherwise they wouldn't bother, being the money grubbing business that it is today and all. |
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| No, there are many good English voice actors. |
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| Well for most anime the english is horrible. I won't watch it. I always prefer Japanese with English subs because it just sounds so much better plus I can read really fast. lol. BUT. One exception for me was Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. I actually really enjoyed that anime in English. The voice actor for Edward Elric, Vic Mignogna does a great job in my opinion. |
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SeibaaHomu said: There is a vocal "no dub, no buy" contingent on sites like ANN and Fandompost, but I'm sure they can't be numerous enough to salvage sales numbers on an otherwise marginal series. Maybe Sentai thought that they were numerous enough, but it seems they've changed their tune and aren't dubbing as much these days. I've often joked that companies should move to selling drama CDs of dub VAs reading scripts (perhaps with the music&effects audio for accompaniment), since the "no dub, no buy" crowd doesn't seem to value the art, animation, story, characters, music, Japanese voice acting, or other elements all that much.Although what puzzles me is why they'd even make the English dub in the first place if they thought the show's popularity wouldn't justify putting the appropriate amount of effort in to do it justice. I mean, is there really an audience of people out there who are into niche stuff but at the same time are vehemently dub only to the point where they don't care how good the voice acting is or whether the show retains what made the original series so good? I don't think anyone wanted Penguindrum's dub to turn out the way it did and from I've gathered it didn't sell too well. Or it's possible that they're churning out dubs to try and get more of a foothold on mainstream streaming sites like Netflix and Hulu, but if those dubs give a bad impression of specific shows or anime in general, it's kinda pointless... |
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| I haven't heard as much english voice acting, as I have japanese, but in general they are quite bad. But there is a limit on what a voice actor can do with a bad script. English voice acting wouldn't be half bad with proper scripts. |
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| Not really i mean it depends on the anime. In recent years i've found that the english voice actors for anime are getting a lot better. I still prefer subs though :P. One piece english dub sucks... |
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| It jsut sound so weird when English actor try to make Loli voice ........ |
| Since English is my first language, I prefer dubs. I also like watching subs. I like both. The good dubs for me are: - Baccano - Black Lagoon - Dbz - Binbougami ga - Afro Samurai - Berserk - B Gata H Kei - Dance in the Vampire Bund - Deadman Wonderland - Death Note - Fate/Zero - Hellsing - Ninja scroll series - Attack on Titan Bad dubs: - Any character which doesn't show much emotion. But of course this is all subjective to me, generally though if you start to watch something dub/sub then you stick with it and It's weird to try and change it. Just like emotionless voice actors though, Japanese voice actors, especially for the cute type of girls sound really annoying sometimes, and I can't stand that. |
Shadake said: Nobody does that ''O-onii-chan... i-it won't fit'' voice like them Jap gurlsIt jsut sound so weird when English actor try to make Loli voice ........ Camzarcar said: LolThe good dubs for me are: - Deadman Wonderland - Attack on Titan |
Comic_SansMay 28, 2015 7:27 AM
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Comic_Sans said: Shadake said: Nobody does that ''O-onii-chan... i-it won't fit'' voice like them Jap gurlsIt jsut sound so weird when English actor try to make Loli voice ........ Camzarcar said: LolThe good dubs for me are: - Deadman Wonderland - Attack on Titan It's subjective, thank you for your input. I think Attack on Titan has amazing voice actors. lol x 2. |
| YES. fuck yes. can't stand any english dub. |
Dark_Chaos said: These "no dub, no buy" people aren't necessarily dub-only watchers -- often they've seen and liked the shows via downloads/streams, but don't think they're worth buying unless they're dubbed. Hence, my conclusion that they don't place enough value on the other elements to make a given show worth buying.Zalis said: The "no dub, no buy" crowd doesn't seem to value the art, animation, story, characters, music, Japanese voice acting, or other elements all that much. Where did you get that silly notion? :S The dub-only watchers value all elements of any Anime they watch. They'd kind of have to if they've seen it, ya know? :) |
Eucli said: You say with your incredibly limited knowledge of what most English dubs actually sound like, obvious bias and complete lack of knowledge on how the adaptation process works.English voice acting wouldn't be half bad with proper scripts. Dark_Chaos said: Well Sentai probably make more dubs for properties that you're calling 'exceptions' than they do the popular stuff. There will always be an exception to the rule, as even in this money grubbing industry, people still take risks and break away from the safe tropes. Not to mention these are the same guys who didn't even realise that Chuunibyou was popular enough to warrant a dub until after they announced a sub only release and had angry mobs of people call them out on their mistake. Diabolik Lovers on the other hand? Dubbed without any hesitation. Even though it's not up to par with what I expect from an English dub produced in 2015 (Seriously, the woman who plays Nibutani is fucking atrocious) Chu2's dub is pretty well above average for Sentai. I could just say they have no god damn clue what the market is like and they genuinely thought those crappy shows would sell. But if I go by that assumption then why is it that the Watamote dub didn't suck balls like Penguindrum's? Is that just a coincidence? Did Steve Foster and all the VAs just happen to be having a bad day when they did the dub? |
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| Not EVERY single time but generally yes Though I don't think it's entirely their fault admittedly. Japanese just doesn't translate very well to English to begin with. Many things will just end up sounding like crap no matter who's voicing it |
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Zalis said: These "no dub, no buy" people aren't necessarily dub-only watchers -- often they've seen and liked the shows via downloads/streams, but don't think they're worth buying unless they're dubbed. Hence, my conclusion that they don't place enough value on the other elements to make a given show worth buying. How does their language preference determine how much they value art, animation, sound, etc? Because I don't see how it makes a difference to be honest. Please, elaborate. |
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| Nah, I don't think English VAs are awful. I just often feel like their voices don't match the characters most times, but there are a few gems out there. Crispin Freeman as Kyon > Sugita Tomokazu as Kyon Anything voiced by Steven Blum Ian Sinclair as Space Dandy > Junichi Suwabe |
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SeibaaHomu said: Eucli said: You say with your incredibly limited knowledge of what most English dubs actually sound like, obvious bias and complete lack of knowledge on how the adaptation process works.English voice acting wouldn't be half bad with proper scripts. It's limited in comparison to japanese. It's not like I've watched a dozen dubs and I go around saying how bad they all are. I don't have to lick all the asses in the world to know that they taste bad. I know quite well the process and I know that most scripts are very bad. It's amazing how you can conclude in so many stuff from two sentences that mentioned none of the stuff you assumed. |
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romagia said: no but i deliberately avoid dubs so im not sure how they even sound like |
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| ITT people who have only watched dubs from the 90's. |
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Camzarcar said: The sentence ''Shingeki no Kyojin has amazing English voice acting'' doesn't exist, unless you put a ''doesn't have'' between ''Shingeki no Kyojin'' and ''amazing English voice acting''Comic_Sans said: Nobody does that ''O-onii-chan... i-it won't fit'' voice like them Jap gurlsLol It's subjective, thank you for your input. I think Attack on Titan has amazing voice actors. lol x 2. The same goes for the Japanese version too |
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Comic_Sans said: Camzarcar said: The sentence ''Shingeki no Kyojin has amazing English voice acting'' doesn't exist, unless you put a ''doesn't have'' between ''Shingeki no Kyojin'' and ''amazing English voice acting''It's subjective, thank you for your input. I think Attack on Titan has amazing voice actors. lol x 2. The same goes for the Japanese version too Thanks for explaining your opinion, ie. 'it's bad'...would you mind explaining what elements make the english and japanese version bad or just average? |
Camzarcar said: I don't count ''screaming and overacting all the time'' as ''voice acting''Comic_Sans said: The sentence ''Shingeki no Kyojin has amazing English voice acting'' doesn't exist, unless you put a ''doesn't have'' between ''Shingeki no Kyojin'' and ''amazing English voice acting'' The same goes for the Japanese version too Thanks for explaining your opinion, ie. 'it's bad'...would you mind explaining what elements make the english and japanese version bad or just average? I count it as ''overacting and screaming all the time'' |
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| All Japanese voice actors sound the same. American voice actors sound very different and have a wide range. And no they aren't awful at all, anyone who says so is a blatant troll and haven't watched any recent dubs. I watch dubs because I speak English, I want to watch anime in my own language instead of reading subtitles the entire time. |
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KaminaTheMighty said: All Japanese voice actors sound the same. American voice actors sound very different and have a wide range. And no they aren't awful at all, anyone who says so is a blatant troll and haven't watched any recent dubs. I watch dubs because I speak English, I want to watch anime in my own language instead of reading subtitles the entire time. KaminaTheMighty said: Higurashi was actually pretty good in English. I mean honestly, it wasn't that bad. Of course it wasn't that good, but I mean it didn't bother me. KaminaTheMighty said: I thought //The Elfen Lied dub// was excellent  Nice to see that you have high standards |
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KaminaTheMighty said: It's not my fault that your voice acting quality bar is set really low |
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