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May 15, 2015 4:25 PM

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Hmmmm every time Iroha rejected Hachiman she had a different reason. So either she actually has no specific reason or there's just so many that she can't keep track.
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May 15, 2015 4:42 PM

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I'm loving the HachimanxYukino scene at the end. You can actually see how much effort they put into that scene.

Yukino's solo ED (Yes!)

Yeah! Loved it! I think they are cared about Hachiman. Komachi is the best sister!
Love the ED! :D
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May 15, 2015 5:24 PM

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Wow, that ending is going to build up the feels for the next episode...
 
May 15, 2015 5:51 PM
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I like the scene Orimoto has showed subtly changing her attitude.
i mean when Orimoto met Haruno, she told Hachiman's backstory to Haruno without hesitation.
But this time , she didn't tell that story to Iroha.
 
May 15, 2015 6:03 PM

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I want to try some OFC







 
May 15, 2015 6:38 PM

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This is getting really good, but I can only wonder how much information from the LN they've skipped
 
May 15, 2015 6:47 PM

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This is getting really good, but I can only wonder how much information from the LN they've skipped

They skipped some Kawasaki scenes but other than that it's a pretty good adaptation. Not that many monologues from Hachiman but it's hard to do those right in anime.
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May 15, 2015 6:58 PM
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It was good episode but my only complain is yuixhikki scene far more powerful in LN

 
May 15, 2015 7:19 PM

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The final scene just further serves to show how much of a 180 the writers are trying to pull with Yukino and Hachiman's relationship. In all of season 1, there was nothing but rudeness and malice from Yukino towards Hachiman, and this season Yukino has barely had as much interaction (or screen time, for that matter) with Hachiman as she did last season. Yet for whatever reason they're on much warmer terms now, as if all that crap that Hachiman took from her never changed anything between them.

Oh, that's right, it didn't. For the same reason why everyone mindlessly agreed with her childish logic back in season 1, the writers are just changing the characters' dispositions towards each other on a dime. With no real relational development from either of them that would suggest that something like a budding friendship is growing, this "emotional" scene we were shown falls flat, because it tries to play on the emotions of two characters that have no real reason to care about each other.
 
May 15, 2015 7:22 PM

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episode made a lot more things clearer...but that ending dayum
 
May 15, 2015 7:45 PM

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This school council thing is becoming annoying to me.
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May 15, 2015 7:58 PM

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poptart-sama said:
The final scene just further serves to show how much of a 180 the writers are trying to pull with Yukino and Hachiman's relationship. In all of season 1, there was nothing but rudeness and malice from Yukino towards Hachiman, and this season Yukino has barely had as much interaction (or screen time, for that matter) with Hachiman as she did last season. Yet for whatever reason they're on much warmer terms now, as if all that crap that Hachiman took from her never changed anything between them.

Oh, that's right, it didn't. For the same reason why everyone mindlessly agreed with her childish logic back in season 1, the writers are just changing the characters' dispositions towards each other on a dime. With no real relational development from either of them that would suggest that something like a budding friendship is growing, this "emotional" scene we were shown falls flat, because it tries to play on the emotions of two characters that have no real reason to care about each other.


...What? Are you sure we watched the same show? If all you saw was meaningless banter between 8man and Yukino in the first season then I'm sorry to say you missed out on a lot of hidden meanings and character development.

If you read the LN then you would understand how much 8man and Yukino actually care about their relationship but I can understand how it could be hard to see from an only-anime perspective. Still to say so much as they have 'no real reason to care about each other' is turning a blind eye.
 
May 15, 2015 8:06 PM

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It was good episode but my only complain is yuixhikki scene far more powerful in LN



I think it's more or less the same with the anime adaptation. It is more powerful because the LN focuses on Hachiman's point of view, while the anime is more viewers point of view. In the LN Hachiman keeps on pointing out his observation of others' behavior while in the anime Hachiman would only narrate some stuffs but he's not doing it as often as in the LN because then there would be too much voice over and it would feel like an audio visual light novel.

 
May 15, 2015 8:11 PM

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My Little Sister Can't be this Messed Up.

I like this show but, sometimes these dialogues without a proper confrontation annoys me too much. Like Yukinoshita says something > Hikki's vaguely answers > Yukinoshita continues her one-sided speech > Hikki is unable to answer properly > Yukinoshita leaves. I really want an all out confrontation on both fronts between them (and maybe without puns), hopefully we're gonna see one before it ends?
 
May 15, 2015 8:12 PM

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Its sounds like this guy doesn't want a Christmas Festival at all!!! He's wasting time with all of these discussions. Since it won't be their problem it will be 8man, Isshigaki and the council who will be blamed for this. OMG

Preach it isn't helping > ; 0

Oh its the girl from the summer camp episodes. She's helping out. Love those stars.

8man and Yuki scene OMG </3
 
May 15, 2015 8:18 PM

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I still think 8man and Yukino should be together, at least as friends. But I ship that.
 
May 15, 2015 8:23 PM

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appu1232 said:
poptart-sama said:
The final scene just further serves to show how much of a 180 the writers are trying to pull with Yukino and Hachiman's relationship. In all of season 1, there was nothing but rudeness and malice from Yukino towards Hachiman, and this season Yukino has barely had as much interaction (or screen time, for that matter) with Hachiman as she did last season. Yet for whatever reason they're on much warmer terms now, as if all that crap that Hachiman took from her never changed anything between them.

Oh, that's right, it didn't. For the same reason why everyone mindlessly agreed with her childish logic back in season 1, the writers are just changing the characters' dispositions towards each other on a dime. With no real relational development from either of them that would suggest that something like a budding friendship is growing, this "emotional" scene we were shown falls flat, because it tries to play on the emotions of two characters that have no real reason to care about each other.


...What? Are you sure we watched the same show? If all you saw was meaningless banter between 8man and Yukino in the first season then I'm sorry to say you missed out on a lot of hidden meanings and character development.

If you read the LN then you would understand how much 8man and Yukino actually care about their relationship but I can understand how it could be hard to see from an only-anime perspective. Still to say so much as they have 'no real reason to care about each other' is turning a blind eye.


No show should ever have to rely on reading/watching other material in order to make itself clear. It doesn't matter what happened in the LN, this thread is a discussion about the anime adaption.

I found the conversation between Yukino and Hachiman unbelievable because I find their relationship unbelievable. I said it already, and yet I'll say it again. All that rudeness and negative downtalk coming from Yukino would make anyone dislike her behavior. But the characters in Yahari don't exactly behave like humans, because characters like Yui would give her harsh behavior such a warm reception for no foreseeable reason, and everyone was so quick to agree with whatever flawed logic and assumptions she'd make up.

You'd think that the school outcast, someone who is jaded from a lifetime of negative experiences with girls, would be the last person to want to warm up to such a repelling character. Yet here we are, Yukino and Hachiman speaking on a more intimate level. I'm not saying initially sour relationships can bloom, I'm saying that there's nothing that happened from Season 1 Episode 1 up to now that would suggest that a slow growth was taking place, nothing to make the audience sense that the two were starting to get a feel for each other in a way that would change their dispositions towards each other. They were at each other's throat, and suddenly they're conversing on a more personal level.
 
May 15, 2015 8:36 PM

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What the hell ... this season is really turning out to be really depressing =_=

The hand gesture president is still fun to watch though.
 
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poptart-sama said:
appu1232 said:


...What? Are you sure we watched the same show? If all you saw was meaningless banter between 8man and Yukino in the first season then I'm sorry to say you missed out on a lot of hidden meanings and character development.

If you read the LN then you would understand how much 8man and Yukino actually care about their relationship but I can understand how it could be hard to see from an only-anime perspective. Still to say so much as they have 'no real reason to care about each other' is turning a blind eye.


No show should ever have to rely on reading/watching other material in order to make itself clear. It doesn't matter what happened in the LN, this thread is a discussion about the anime adaption.

I found the conversation between Yukino and Hachiman unbelievable because I find their relationship unbelievable. I said it already, and yet I'll say it again. All that rudeness and negative downtalk coming from Yukino would make anyone dislike her behavior. But the characters in Yahari don't exactly behave like humans, because characters like Yui would give her harsh behavior such a warm reception for no foreseeable reason, and everyone was so quick to agree with whatever flawed logic and assumptions she'd make up.

You'd think that the school outcast, someone who is jaded from a lifetime of negative experiences with girls, would be the last person to want to warm up to such a repelling character. Yet here we are, Yukino and Hachiman speaking on a more intimate level. I'm not saying initially sour relationships can bloom, I'm saying that there's nothing that happened from Season 1 Episode 1 up to now that would suggest that a slow growth was taking place, nothing to make the audience sense that the two were starting to get a feel for each other in a way that would change their dispositions towards each other. They were at each other's throat, and suddenly they're conversing on a more personal level.

Yukino did open up to hachiman in the last few epiosdes of the first season? What the fuck..., dude go rewatch the latter half of season 1. You need a reminder or something, plus episode 1 through 1st half episode 2 of the 2nd season showed that they are closer then they were compared to the first episode.
 
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poptart-sama said:
appu1232 said:


...What? Are you sure we watched the same show? If all you saw was meaningless banter between 8man and Yukino in the first season then I'm sorry to say you missed out on a lot of hidden meanings and character development.

If you read the LN then you would understand how much 8man and Yukino actually care about their relationship but I can understand how it could be hard to see from an only-anime perspective. Still to say so much as they have 'no real reason to care about each other' is turning a blind eye.


No show should ever have to rely on reading/watching other material in order to make itself clear. It doesn't matter what happened in the LN, this thread is a discussion about the anime adaption.

I found the conversation between Yukino and Hachiman unbelievable because I find their relationship unbelievable. I said it already, and yet I'll say it again. All that rudeness and negative downtalk coming from Yukino would make anyone dislike her behavior. But the characters in Yahari don't exactly behave like humans, because characters like Yui would give her harsh behavior such a warm reception for no foreseeable reason, and everyone was so quick to agree with whatever flawed logic and assumptions she'd make up.

You'd think that the school outcast, someone who is jaded from a lifetime of negative experiences with girls, would be the last person to want to warm up to such a repelling character. Yet here we are, Yukino and Hachiman speaking on a more intimate level. I'm not saying initially sour relationships can bloom, I'm saying that there's nothing that happened from Season 1 Episode 1 up to now that would suggest that a slow growth was taking place, nothing to make the audience sense that the two were starting to get a feel for each other in a way that would change their dispositions towards each other. They were at each other's throat, and suddenly they're conversing on a more personal level.


There was nothing in season 1 that got them closer?
What about the whole culture festival arc that takes place when 8man stands up for Yukino when it was clear all the work that had to be done was being pushed onto her?

Also, what about the very first episode of this season when Tobe and Hayama seek out help from the club but are told to leave by Yukino when Tobe was being disrespectful to 8man?

There were many more less obvious events like these too. As for their attitude towards each other, it's clear that 8man couldn't care less about the insults Yukino throws at him because frankly, he acknowledges that they are mostly true.

And as for the reason Yukino throws these remarks: I don't think she truly see's him as someone below her because if she did then she wouldn't care about his departure. She obviously respects his thought-process even though it is different from her's which can be seen in the end of season 1 and the beginning of season 2 where she openly listens to and trusts his decisions.
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There were many more less obvious events like these too. As for their attitude towards each other, it's clear that 8man couldn't care less about the insults Yukino throws at him because frankly, he acknowledges that they are mostly true.

And as for the reason Yukino throws these remarks: I don't think she truly see's him as someone below her because if she did then she wouldn't care about his departure. She obviously respects his thought-process even though it is different from her's which can be seen in the end of season 1 and the beginning of season 2 where she openly listens to and trusts his decisions.


Once again you ignore my point. Why does he defend her? What happened between them that would make him feel strongly enough about her to defend her? Because every episode before that had them always at odds. In that same episode, Yui remarks that Yukino is kind. Where do we even see this? Where is the growth of character?

Once again, you ignore my point. OF COURSE all her insults and snide remarks are true, the writer made her true. It's completely natural and understandable to deconstruct someone's entire personality and beliefs without even knowing them for more than 2 minutes, right? It doesn't even matter whether she was right or wrong, the fact that she is so openly toxic towards people she's never met before would just drive everyone away from her. And yet Hachiman is defending a girl who berated him on a daily basis? What human would act like this, this is just poor writing.
 
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I feel like nothing is progressing with the whole Christmas party thing, and therefore is making the entire show feel slow.

Like, that final scene with Yukino and Hachiman was fucking great, but since his interactions with everyone are so nil due to helping Iroha, it almost felt out of the blue in a weird way. Oh? Where did this random dialogue between two people who hardly talk anymore come from?

My biggest gripes are with that Kaori bitch and mr fucking jiggly hands.

First of all, Kaori...why is she getting so much fucking screen time and attention? They are straight up treating her like a main character. She has literally had more screen time than Yukino, yet provides zero relevance to the story anymore. She's just designed to show up and make situations awkward/laugh at shit that's not even remotely funny because her dumbass is too stupid to comprehend what other people are saying.

Then there's Jiggly hands. He especially pisses me off because I majored in business management, and he's pretending to act like some neutral party board of directors member, and it fucking irks me. He thinks he's a business man but its the exact opposite. NO company would stall until there is week left in the deadline. Everything is about lean and getting shit done timely.
- I pray to whatever god rules over anime that somebody, ANYBODY punches this fucker in the face, and then takes leadership over this train-wreck party planning.
...Also, I don't like his goddamn hands.

Iroha...Why was everybody saying she's best girl when she first appeared? What has she done that HASNT made her completely hateable? She's annoying, just as lazy as the bitch who Hachiman put the fuck down in season 1, her personality is lackluster. Need I continue?

Oh...I also remember when Hiratsuka Shizuka used to be a character. Wonder what she's been up to since, idk, episode goddamn 1? If she's just as uninvolved in this arc in the LN I cant complain, but she's basically a nonexistent character at this point. Remember when she used to actually come into the club room to delegate things? Now it's pretty much "supporting character walks in asking for help. Says that Shizuka had something to do with it". We don't even see her anymore.

I'm still really enjoying the show, despite the complaining. Basically the same things I complained about last season too: All characters aside from 8man and Totsuka suck. It just seems like the characters are especially irritating this season.
 
May 15, 2015 11:03 PM

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Holy shit that ending caught me off guard. I wasn't expecting Yukino to finally come out and say it.

And can we just all agree that Hachiman has the best imouto?
 
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poptart-sama said:
appu1232 said:
There were many more less obvious events like these too. As for their attitude towards each other, it's clear that 8man couldn't care less about the insults Yukino throws at him because frankly, he acknowledges that they are mostly true.

And as for the reason Yukino throws these remarks: I don't think she truly see's him as someone below her because if she did then she wouldn't care about his departure. She obviously respects his thought-process even though it is different from her's which can be seen in the end of season 1 and the beginning of season 2 where she openly listens to and trusts his decisions.


Once again you ignore my point. Why does he defend her? What happened between them that would make him feel strongly enough about her to defend her? Because every episode before that had them always at odds. In that same episode, Yui remarks that Yukino is kind. Where do we even see this? Where is the growth of character?

Once again, you ignore my point. OF COURSE all her insults and snide remarks are true, the writer made her true. It's completely natural and understandable to deconstruct someone's entire personality and beliefs without even knowing them for more than 2 minutes, right? It doesn't even matter whether she was right or wrong, the fact that she is so openly toxic towards people she's never met before would just drive everyone away from her. And yet Hachiman is defending a girl who berated him on a daily basis? What human would act like this, this is just poor writing.

Why the fuck are you even watching the show then? You clearly didn't pay enough attention to the character development in season 1. And you clearly aren't paying attention to the way the dialogue is being spoken in season 2. If you did, you would've noticed that the remarks 8man said about "Yukino's quiet smile showing she's given up" completely reflected her tone of voice when she was having that "warm" conversation with 8man.

Then when people try to correct you or point out what you missed, you act like they dodged your question, when in reality you just refuse to accept their answers as truth. You're completely blinded by your own shitty point of view.
 
May 15, 2015 11:13 PM

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Im expecting this event that these students councils are putting up together to be something "magnificent" (for lack of a better word).
 
May 15, 2015 11:17 PM

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WOW....

For an anime that has "Love Comedy" in the title....there's like ZERO fucking comedy or romance for that matter....

I was SOOO bored watching this.

Holy Christ....when is ANYTHING going to happen...this season is only 13 episodes, they've wasted 2 episodes already basically doing nothing.

Good job.


I know, I know....this anime is 2deep4me....dem feels is what it's all about....
 
May 15, 2015 11:18 PM

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It needs some wincest.
 
May 15, 2015 11:20 PM

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AlexGK said:
Can this show get any better?

I'm wondering if it can get any worse.

zerorequiem_ said:
And can we just all agree that Hachiman has the best imouto?

As much as I really like Komachi (and I honestly believe she is the best female character in this anime)....I think you need to apologize to Mikan.
 
May 15, 2015 11:27 PM

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Why does he defend her? What happened between them that would make him feel strongly enough about her to defend her? Because every episode before that had them always at odds.


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I feel like nothing is progressing with the whole Christmas party thing, and therefore is making the entire show feel slow.

Like, that final scene with Yukino and Hachiman was fucking great, but since his interactions with everyone are so nil due to helping Iroha, it almost felt out of the blue in a weird way. Oh? Where did this random dialogue between two people who hardly talk anymore come from?

My biggest gripes are with that Kaori bitch and mr fucking jiggly hands.

First of all, Kaori...why is she getting so much fucking screen time and attention? They are straight up treating her like a main character. She has literally had more screen time than Yukino, yet provides zero relevance to the story anymore. She's just designed to show up and make situations awkward/laugh at shit that's not even remotely funny because her dumbass is too stupid to comprehend what other people are saying.

Then there's Jiggly hands. He especially pisses me off because I majored in business management, and he's pretending to act like some neutral party board of directors member, and it fucking irks me. He thinks he's a business man but its the exact opposite. NO company would stall until there is week left in the deadline. Everything is about lean and getting shit done timely.
- I pray to whatever god rules over anime that somebody, ANYBODY punches this fucker in the face, and then takes leadership over this train-wreck party planning.
...Also, I don't like his goddamn hands.

Iroha...Why was everybody saying she's best girl when she first appeared? What has she done that HASNT made her completely hateable? She's annoying, just as lazy as the bitch who Hachiman put the fuck down in season 1, her personality is lackluster. Need I continue?

Oh...I also remember when Hiratsuka Shizuka used to be a character. Wonder what she's been up to since, idk, episode goddamn 1? If she's just as uninvolved in this arc in the LN I cant complain, but she's basically a nonexistent character at this point. Remember when she used to actually come into the club room to delegate things? Now it's pretty much "supporting character walks in asking for help. Says that Shizuka had something to do with it". We don't even see her anymore.

I'm still really enjoying the show, despite the complaining. Basically the same things I complained about last season too: All characters aside from 8man and Totsuka suck. It just seems like the characters are especially irritating this season.

Amazing....everything (except the last part about enjoying the show) is almost exactly how I feel.

But for some reason, people are treating this anime like some super deep and amazing anime.

I guess that's the Drama Anime effect...I'm not really sure.

I want to add some stuff....the show IS going slow, there is no doubt about it, and barely nothing happened in the last two episodes....hell, this episode was basically the previous episode with a few things added here and there.

As for Kaori....yeah, I don't understand the screen time she's getting unless they were going to make her a love interest or something to that effect, but that REALLY doesn't make sense to me.

Iroha is liked because she's cute and has cute mannerisms and well...she just acts cute!

Mind you....I also dislike her....A LOT actually.

I find her to be dislikable as well, and it really bugs me that Hachiman is going out of his way to help her....but whatever, I'm sure this is all building up to something.

And yeah Hachiman continues to be the most interesting character in a show filled with void and seemingly fake characters who are about as interesting as a door knob.

I enjoyed (more or less) the first few episodes, but the last 3 or so have been awful IMO.

This show is very mediocre....but I'm in the low minority, so whatever.
 
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Jonesy974 said:

Why the fuck are you even watching the show then? You clearly didn't pay enough attention to the character development in season 1. And you clearly aren't paying attention to the way the dialogue is being spoken in season 2. If you did, you would've noticed that the remarks 8man said about "Yukino's quiet smile showing she's given up" completely reflected her tone of voice when she was having that "warm" conversation with 8man.

Then when people try to correct you or point out what you missed, you act like they dodged your question, when in reality you just refuse to accept their answers as truth. You're completely blinded by your own shitty point of view.


It seems that you, like most people on this thread, think that character development can happen in an instant. Yukino is unreasonably harsh towards Hachiman throughout season 1. At what point in time did the show give Hachiman and the audience any reason to care about her? None of the characters in this series acts human when it comes to Yukino. Any and all affection towards her always stems from their automatic subscription to how much of a brilliant person she is. Because when someone insults me and my personality upon first sight, that absolutely makes me see how intelligent and kind they are!

And you try to mock me for not paying attention...
 
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That Was a great episode ... but wait i have a question can't 8man go to the club anymore or what ?
 
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SmallDanger said:
That Was a great episode ... but wait i have a question can't 8man go to the club anymore or what ?


Hachiman has lately been solving all of the Service Club's request the only way he knows how: by himself, in a manner than often involves throwing himself under the bus for the sake of others. Yukino and Yui objected to his methods, but it has now reached a point where Hachiman is helping someone not as a Service Club member, but just as himself. This caused much inner conflict in him, because he ultimately wanted to preserve the Service Club, the one thing that brings the three together every day. Yukino realizes what he's been doing recently, and tells him that he doesn't need to keep coming back to the club, since there is little point now that he's doing things all by himself.
 
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The fuck was with the no homo bs this ep? Don't taint my scenes w/ the only decent and viable love interest.

In other news, Yukino continues her trend of being an unlikeable bitch and Iroha's still annoying. Has anyone told her that she doesn't have to whine out every word like that? God, I have heard nails on chalkboards that sounded less horrifying.
 
May 16, 2015 1:34 AM
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WOW....

For an anime that has "Love Comedy" in the title....there's like ZERO fucking comedy or romance for that matter....

I was SOOO bored watching this.

Holy Christ....when is ANYTHING going to happen...this season is only 13 episodes, they've wasted 2 episodes already basically doing nothing.

Good job.


I know, I know....this anime is 2deep4me....dem feels is what it's all about....

Come on bro,Romance and Comedy in this show are WRONG as He Expected.
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A truly fantastic episode. Looking forward to the next episode.
I have been watching Zoku in like 360p on a 3rd party site because I couldn't find an official site. I just found out today if you type TOO instead of zoku you can find it on crunchyroll in 1080p. Now to rewatch the episodes in HD.

SmallDanger said:
That Was a great episode ... but wait i have a question can't 8man go to the club anymore or what ?


I just started reading the Light Novel today and from what I know the anime follows the novel very closely. I would check out the novels to find out what you want.
 
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If I want to read the LN which volume/chapter should I read from ?
 
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This show is as real as anime can get. Haha..The people complaining about the characters in this show are hilarious.

First of all..Iroha is a pretty cute likeable character. I don't find her annoying at all. She puts up a mask because she feels that she won't be liked otherwise. Which is pretty realistic. Many people don't act the way they really are when they are with others. Also , Iroha was forced by Hikki to be the president..she didn't want to do it at all because she knew she wasn't fit for the job. So it was Hikki's fault for forcing her. Now she is stressed out and everything because of him and he understands that. I sympathise with her. She was manipulated into something she didn't want.

Next..Kaori..Yes, she is a bit annoying but again..people with her type of personality do exist. I know. I loved the character development she got too..during the scene with Haruno , she blurted out what happened in the past with Hikkigaya without thinking about how he would have felt..but now..here in the conversation with Iroha..she didn't tell her anything. Also..''Preach it'' thing is annoying but I think the reason she does it is because she wants to be a part of the meeting but she really has no ideas. This is the only way she knows how to pitch in and so she does it.

Komachi is next...Komachi is absolutely great. I love Komachi. Seriously..best Imouto of all time. She is amazing..she is one of the reason why Hikki isn't worse than he already is. Without Komachi..Hikki would have been more lonely and depressed.

Yukino comes up next...I'm tired of people calling Yukino a ''bitch''. Hikki's and Her's relationship is very realistic. I've seen relations where people have problem with each other but they never talk about it as they are scared that they will make it worse. It just shows much they care for each other. Yukino telling Hikki not to come to the club room was not because she doesn't want him there..it was because she feels that he is forcing himself to come there. She would prefer it if he stopped coming to the club room altogether rather than coming to the club room just out of habit. Yukino does not like ''superficial'' relationships. I think she wants to be more closer to Hikki and Yui and she is disappointed how such a thing could bring a break in their relation. She feels that if their relationship was so easily broken..then it shouldn't have existed in the first place. Maybe that kind of thinking is wrong but hey...Yukino is human too. She gets jealous , she gets upset , she gets angry , she can be kind and she has her faults. No human is perfect..including Hachiman. He himself now realises that he has made many mistakes.

The realism in the show and the depth to it is what makes me love it. Even the side characters get character development and they have depth. Can't wait for more episodes.
 
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Did Hachiman take up the job solo simply because he didn't want to bother Yukino with it? I don't quite see the rationale behind it, seeing as taking the job as a group might've brought them closer together again.


Hachiman went solo on Iroha's request to reduce possible conflict. The atmosphere in the club was tense due to how Hachiman 'solved' the student council issue. Yukino still disagrees with Hachiman's way of doing things and vice versa. Another conflict would endanger the club even further, so Hachiman chose to work on this request on his own to prevent that. And I guess he's also just being considerate to Yukino, who's having a hard time, again, due to the student council thing(which is Hachiman's fault).

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Lastly, at the ending scene, Yukino says something like "If this is all that it takes to tear us apart, then maybe we weren't all that close to begin with."
What exactly was she referring to when she said "this"? I'm assuming she is referring to the fact that Hatchibro took up the job solo, but I can imagine it being a number of different things as well.


"How about taking some time off from the club? If you're trying to watch out for us, you're wasting your time. [...] No, you are [looking out for us]. You have been, ever since then. But you can stop forcing yourself now. If this is all it takes to tear us apart, then maybe we weren't all that close to begin with."

From how I see it, Yukino points out that Hachiman shouldn't go out of his way in order to prevent further possible conflicts in the club. In that case 'this' would be referring to 'a conflict'. Because if the club members are truly close, their relationships won't be destroyed by it. However, if they aren't actually close, a simple conflict would actually tear them apart. But that would be fine, says Yukino, because such a shallow relationship isn't worth having.

Basically, Yukino wants to determine if her bonds to Yui and Hachiman are the real thing, or just superficial.
 
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i'm kinda sad that Yukinon said that to 8man... you don't have to force yourself to come you know? (-_-)
what is she exactly implying to 8man?
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But for some reason, people are treating this anime like some super deep and amazing anime.


That's because it IS a super deep and amazing anime. It requires you to stop and think about it for a while. That's how deep anime work. You fail to understand it because you just keep refusing to use your brain. Instead, you're looking for easy and cheap entertainment. You're watching it wrong. It's like using a new, high-performance tablet pc as a cutting board, then complaining about what a bad cutting board it is.

But I guess I'm just wasting my time. Once again, you'll just ignore this post, only to reappear in the next episode topic to resume your pointless complaining while cherry-picking the posts you agree with and not answer the rest. You go about how so many people find this anime amazing, but you never try to understand why they do so. Of course you don't. Because that would require you to use your brain, which you hate doing.
 
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If I want to read the LN which volume/chapter should I read from ?

Season 2 starts from volume 7. Up until this moment the anime has covered up to volume 9, chapter 5, part 3.
 
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i don't know why but in first season i was like : "ok, your typical romance drama anime" but since iroha came up i was like "where is my godd*mn next episode?!!!"
 
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I guess there's 2 primary viewers for this show. Those that make effort to understand the development and the characters and those that are treating it too shallow and prefers "awesome" and "epic" shows( In which Oregairu is not).
 
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I am guessing the Christmas Event/meeting become so bad that even Hachiman cannot handling it and ask his own club for help.
 
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Ok, serious rant time.

All that's happened leads me to a conclusion I reached a long time ago. And before I start, I should mention that no I'm not a blind Yuki hater and I fully understand the character, so please hold your keyboard rage. It's because I get this character that I feel there's one thing she's yet to do: make the effort.

So far, Hachiman has been falling over himself to try to patch things up or at least make peace with her since the incident in episode 2. And yet, all of it has seemingly made things worse. Just to end up with her saying those harsh but somewhat true words in episode 7. But to be honest, it's not all that fair. Yui was the first to bounce back and realize that 8man's actions are selfless and painful, and she cares enough about him to understand that. Hayama, Totsuka, Komachi and the rest of the auxiliary cast notice this too, and are trying to help him. So exactly why is the 'genius' that everyone adores too thick or stubborn to want to do so too?

Lately, it's been all about how she feels. What the character Yuki, as she's portrayed, seems to be doing is viewing 8man's actions solely by how they affect her. At first, I thought it was that she cared for him and was worried about his self-deprecating ways, but her actions leading up to ep 7 suggest otherwise. If she's so smart, why can't she see that he's doing all this for her as well as the club? And yet she turns around and acts like he's making their relationship superficial by turning up to the club. Granted, what she said wasn't out of malice or hatred, but out of sadness for how their interactions have become. But that's why it's so selfish. 8man has been through so much crap in his life, and has to deal with people from his past showing up too. In season one, he was disappointed by both Yui and Yuki yet still went out of his way to help them.

But just because he makes a few fumbles, suddenly she's sad that he's not making her feel good about being near him? Not cool. Everyone else is worried about 8man's actions leading to him ruining himself, and as his friends it makes them sad. They want to help him, but they also want him to open up to them. Hence, a reciprocal interaction. But what has Yuki done, other than get mad/sad each time he does something she disagrees with. If she cares so much about the special relationship they had, why hasn't she done anything to fix it other than keep her distance and be mad about it?

Here's the thing: I know there's a resolution coming. People on My Anime List forums are hinting at a major 'feels' moment in the next episode. But from how this is set up, it's super one sided. This whole time it's been 8man trying to patch things up with Yuki, whilst any interaction with her since has been nothing but scorn and sad remarks. How is that fair? When is she going to make the effort to try to appreciate his circumstance? Yuki, as she's written, is the only character pushing him away when he's been trying so hard to change. He's been constantly evaluating his recent choices and opening up to others and asking for help. Note, 8man is a character by design who has fallen into one bad circumstance to another and has become a loner. He's unable to see his self-worth, open up to anyone or appreciate anyone's feelings.

In spite of this, characters like Yui know that's how he is and it won't change anytime soon, but she still cares for him and is happy to see him trying. Think of all the sweet moments they shared since episode 2. When Yui's sad, it's because she sees the club's relationship deteriorating. Yet all of Yuki's problems thus far have been me me me. Not once have you seen her make the effort to talk to 8man and patch up the rift between them or even vaguely appreciate why he's in the mess he's in currently. Any doubt I had before about her feeling sad cause of 8man's situation were dispelled by her clearly selfish words in ep 7, which put the full onus on him to open up and tell her sorry, I messed up, I need your help etc. And that's just not fair. When the heck is she going to take the time to bend over backwards for him? That's all I want personally. If she cares about him as much as people say she does, when in god's name is she going to show it?
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Avus said:
I am guessing the Christmas Event/meeting become so bad that even Hachiman cannot handling it and ask his own club for help.


Nice. Good idea. Cannot enter as a member, enters as a client.
 
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Here's the thing: I know there's a resolution coming. People on My Anime List forums are hinting at a major 'feels' moment in the next episode.


It's pretty gay though and comically laughable at the same time. So, don't get your hopes up.

And I will try to answer most of your questions...
 
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My Little Sister Can't be this Messed Up.

I like this show but, sometimes these dialogues without a proper confrontation annoys me too much. Like Yukinoshita says something > Hikki's vaguely answers > Yukinoshita continues her one-sided speech > Hikki is unable to answer properly > Yukinoshita leaves. I really want an all out confrontation on both fronts between them (and maybe without puns), hopefully we're gonna see one before it ends?


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Jonesy974 said:
I feel like nothing is progressing with the whole Christmas party thing, and therefore is making the entire show feel slow.

Like, that final scene with Yukino and Hachiman was fucking great, but since his interactions with everyone are so nil due to helping Iroha, it almost felt out of the blue in a weird way. Oh? Where did this random dialogue between two people who hardly talk anymore come from?

My biggest gripes are with that Kaori bitch and mr fucking jiggly hands.

First of all, Kaori...why is she getting so much fucking screen time and attention? They are straight up treating her like a main character. She has literally had more screen time than Yukino, yet provides zero relevance to the story anymore. She's just designed to show up and make situations awkward/laugh at shit that's not even remotely funny because her dumbass is too stupid to comprehend what other people are saying.

Then there's Jiggly hands. He especially pisses me off because I majored in business management, and he's pretending to act like some neutral party board of directors member, and it fucking irks me. He thinks he's a business man but its the exact opposite. NO company would stall until there is week left in the deadline. Everything is about lean and getting shit done timely.
- I pray to whatever god rules over anime that somebody, ANYBODY punches this fucker in the face, and then takes leadership over this train-wreck party planning.
...Also, I don't like his goddamn hands.

Iroha...Why was everybody saying she's best girl when she first appeared? What has she done that HASNT made her completely hateable? She's annoying, just as lazy as the bitch who Hachiman put the fuck down in season 1, her personality is lackluster. Need I continue?

Oh...I also remember when Hiratsuka Shizuka used to be a character. Wonder what she's been up to since, idk, episode goddamn 1? If she's just as uninvolved in this arc in the LN I cant complain, but she's basically a nonexistent character at this point. Remember when she used to actually come into the club room to delegate things? Now it's pretty much "supporting character walks in asking for help. Says that Shizuka had something to do with it". We don't even see her anymore.

I'm still really enjoying the show, despite the complaining. Basically the same things I complained about last season too: All characters aside from 8man and Totsuka suck. It just seems like the characters are especially irritating this season.

Amazing....everything (except the last part about enjoying the show) is almost exactly how I feel.

But for some reason, people are treating this anime like some super deep and amazing anime.

I guess that's the Drama Anime effect...I'm not really sure.

I want to add some stuff....the show IS going slow, there is no doubt about it, and barely nothing happened in the last two episodes....hell, this episode was basically the previous episode with a few things added here and there.

As for Kaori....yeah, I don't understand the screen time she's getting unless they were going to make her a love interest or something to that effect, but that REALLY doesn't make sense to me.

Iroha is liked because she's cute and has cute mannerisms and well...she just acts cute!

Mind you....I also dislike her....A LOT actually.

I find her to be dislikable as well, and it really bugs me that Hachiman is going out of his way to help her....but whatever, I'm sure this is all building up to something.

And yeah Hachiman continues to be the most interesting character in a show filled with void and seemingly fake characters who are about as interesting as a door knob.

I enjoyed (more or less) the first few episodes, but the last 3 or so have been awful IMO.

This show is very mediocre....but I'm in the low minority, so whatever.


I respect that you do not like this show and think it's garbage.. What I do not understand, is why if you feel so strongly (and have been for quite some episodes if I recall previous discussion threads) about it you just don't drop it? Drop it, give it a very low score and stop torturing yourself. What's this pathological need to keep on watching and coming in and telling people what they're enjoying is bad?
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Ok, serious rant time.

All that's happened leads me to a conclusion I reached a long time ago. And before I start, I should mention that no I'm not a blind Yuki hater and I fully understand the character, so please hold your keyboard rage. It's because I get this character that I feel there's one thing she's yet to do: make the effort.

So far, Hachiman has been falling over himself to try to patch things up or at least make peace with her since the incident in episode 2. And yet, all of it has seemingly made things worse. Just to end up with her saying those harsh but somewhat true words in episode 7. But to be honest, it's not all that fair. Yui was the first to bounce back and realize that 8man's actions are selfless and painful, and she cares enough about him to understand that. Hayama, Totsuka, Komachi and the rest of the auxiliary cast notice this too, and are trying to help him. So exactly why is the 'genius' that everyone adores too thick or stubborn to want to do so too?

Lately, it's been all about how she feels. What the character Yuki, as she's portrayed, seems to be doing is viewing 8man's actions solely by how they affect her. At first, I thought it was that she cared for him and was worried about his self-deprecating ways, but her actions leading up to ep 7 suggest otherwise. If she's so smart, why can't she see that he's doing all this for her as well as the club? And yet she turns around and acts like he's making their relationship superficial by turning up to the club. Granted, what she said wasn't out of malice or hatred, but out of sadness for how their interactions have become. But that's why it's so selfish. 8man has been through so much crap in his life, and has to deal with people from his past showing up too. In season one, he was disappointed by both Yui and Yuki yet still went out of his way to help them.

But just because he makes a few fumbles, suddenly she's sad that he's not making her feel good about being near him? Not cool. Everyone else is worried about 8man's actions leading to him ruining himself, and as his friends it makes them sad. They want to help him, but they also want him to open up to them. Hence, a reciprocal interaction. But what has Yuki done, other than get mad/sad each time he does something she disagrees with. If she cares so much about the special relationship they had, why hasn't she done anything to fix it other than keep her distance and be mad about it?

Here's the thing: I know there's a resolution coming. People on My Anime List forums are hinting at a major 'feels' moment in the next episode. But from how this is set up, it's super one sided. This whole time it's been 8man trying to patch things up with Yuki, whilst any interaction with her since has been nothing but scorn and sad remarks. How is that fair? When is she going to make the effort to try to appreciate his circumstance? Yuki, as she's written, is the only character pushing him away when he's been trying so hard to change. He's been constantly evaluating his recent choices and opening up to others and asking for help. Note, 8man is a character by design who has fallen into one bad circumstance to another and has become a loner. He's unable to see his self-worth, open up to anyone or appreciate anyone's feelings.

In spite of this, characters like Yui know that's how he is and it won't change anytime soon, but she still cares for him and is happy to see him trying. Think of all the sweet moments they shared since episode 2. When Yui's sad, it's because she sees the club's relationship deteriorating. Yet all of Yuki's problems thus far have been me me me. Not once have you seen her make the effort to talk to 8man and patch up the rift between them or even vaguely appreciate why he's in the mess he's in currently. Any doubt I had before about her feeling sad cause of 8man's situation were dispelled by her clearly selfish words in ep 7, which put the full onus on him to open up and tell her sorry, I messed up, I need your help etc. And that's just not fair. When the heck is she going to take the time to bend over backwards for him? That's all I want personally. If she cares about him as much as people say she does, when in god's name is she going to show it?


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