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May 9, 2015 10:27 AM

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From what it seems everybody is saying, this episode was apparently disappointing, which makes me sad since I didn't think they could drop the ball this late in such an important episode.

If Shirou didn't project a rain of swords of swords, how does Archer even threaten Saber and convince her not to deal with the Rain of swords herself? That makes no sense to me, the only possible thing that I can see happening is Shirou stepping up and saying he'll deal with Archer himself in spite of that. That's still kind of lame though, considering how awesome that moment was for him. But I'll wait until I see the episode to say anything definitive.
 
May 9, 2015 10:29 AM

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FlamepriesT said:
From what it seems everybody is saying, this episode was apparently disappointing, which makes me sad since I didn't think they could drop the ball this late in such an important episode.

If Shirou didn't project a rain of swords of swords, how does Archer even threaten Saber and convince her not to deal with the Rain of swords herself? That makes no sense to me, the only possible thing that I can see happening is Shirou stepping up and saying he'll deal with Archer himself in spite of that. That's still kind of lame though, considering how awesome that moment was for him. But I'll wait until I see the episode to say anything definitive.
Not everyone thank you very much.

He projected swords above him but then started using it one by one(my only real problem) against Shirou. After two or 3 were destroyed the RM was destroyed.
 
May 9, 2015 10:30 AM

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Grey-Zone said:
I am expecting a few minutes to be BD additions again.
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May 9, 2015 10:33 AM

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Grey-Zone said:
mira-nyan said:
Reproduce rain of swords = reproduce 'rain of swords'. It didn't say anything about reproducing the swords itself. It says 'rain of swords'. Therefore it means reproducing the attack, not the weapon...


Shirou cannot reproduce rain ;)


Also I don't trust this translation completely. It seems a issue that could be very easy to miss.
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Grey-Zone said:
mira-nyan said:
Reproduce rain of swords = reproduce 'rain of swords'. It didn't say anything about reproducing the swords itself. It says 'rain of swords'. Therefore it means reproducing the attack, not the weapon...


Shirou cannot reproduce rain ;)


Also I don't trust this translation completely. It seems a issue that could be very easy to miss.


It's not. You just can't accept you're wrong and that the episode was changed.
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May 9, 2015 10:33 AM

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Why did you do this ufo? Why?
 
May 9, 2015 10:34 AM

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I havent seen the deen movie but seriously, the contract scene was more rushed than there? In vn it was one of the defining epic moments of the route for me and here it did nothing, had no sense of epicness... How could they do this after the last episode :/
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SUBZ R OUT
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May 9, 2015 10:35 AM

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Othi-tan said:
He projected swords above him but then started using it one by one(my only real problem) against Shirou. After two or 3 were destroyed the RM was destroyed.


No, there was a timeskip. All of the sudden Shirou woke up in the basement again. It's similar to the VN, though the VN only has the "I can recreate this rain of swords" (i still want to see confirmation that this was translated correctly), but we never actually see him do it, it's just a flashforward. In the anime he runs forward, destroys the weapons with identical copies, then -> TIMESKIP
 
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SUBZ R OUT

Thanks!
 
May 9, 2015 10:36 AM

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Shouldnt the contract be rushed so that Archer wont have time to react?In the VN he just stands there while Shirou gets away.

In the anime he stops Archer from interrupting them.

No matter how you look at it the anime did it better.
 
May 9, 2015 10:37 AM

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From what it seems everybody is saying, this episode was apparently disappointing, which makes me sad since I didn't think they could drop the ball this late in such an important episode.

If Shirou didn't project a rain of swords of swords, how does Archer even threaten Saber and convince her not to deal with the Rain of swords herself? That makes no sense to me, the only possible thing that I can see happening is Shirou stepping up and saying he'll deal with Archer himself in spite of that. That's still kind of lame though, considering how awesome that moment was for him. But I'll wait until I see the episode to say anything definitive.

Nope, I think the episode was far from disappointing.

It seems though that they go out of their way to make Shirou look less awesome.

I don't agree that showing the "rain" was too early. They showed Shirou having pains and keeps picturing UBW in his head.
Having him utilize some of the abilities while being inside it just makes sense.
 
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Grey-Zone said:
Othi-tan said:
He projected swords above him but then started using it one by one(my only real problem) against Shirou. After two or 3 were destroyed the RM was destroyed.


No, there was a timeskip. All of the sudden Shirou woke up in the basement again. It's similar to the VN, though the VN only has the "I can recreate this rain of swords" (i still want to see confirmation that this was translated correctly), but we never actually see him do it, it's just a flashforward. In the anime he runs forward, destroys the weapons with identical copies, then -> TIMESKIP
Pretty sure there was a bright flash or something before the commercials.The 720p version will be out shortly so I will see more clearly then.
 
May 9, 2015 10:38 AM

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Not everyone thanks.

He projected swords above him but then started using it one by one(my only real problem) against Shirou. After two or 3 were destroyed the RM was destroyed.

I see. That sounds like shit to me. This decision makes no sense whatsoever. Perhaps it won't be disappointing to anime viewers, not sure... but knowing what it was like in the novel, it's hard to believe it'll look good. But let's see, the subs will be out in 1-2 minutes if they're no out yet.
 
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Othi-tan said:

No matter how you look at it the anime did it better.

keep telling yourself that,bud
 
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Well OK, I'll watch the episode too (subs are released already). Maybe I saw one or two things wrong.
 
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astroprogs said:
FlamepriesT said:
From what it seems everybody is saying, this episode was apparently disappointing, which makes me sad since I didn't think they could drop the ball this late in such an important episode.

If Shirou didn't project a rain of swords of swords, how does Archer even threaten Saber and convince her not to deal with the Rain of swords herself? That makes no sense to me, the only possible thing that I can see happening is Shirou stepping up and saying he'll deal with Archer himself in spite of that. That's still kind of lame though, considering how awesome that moment was for him. But I'll wait until I see the episode to say anything definitive.

Nope, I think the episode was far from disappointing.

It seems though that they go out of their way to make Shirou look less awesome.

I don't agree that showing the "rain" was too early. They showed Shirou having pains and keeps picturing UBW in his head.
Having him utilize some of the abilities while being inside it just makes sense.

Saving Saber, blocking Archer when Rin was doing the contract, blocking the rain, he was more awesome than in all the previous episode for me.
 
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astroprogs said:

It seems though that they go out of their way to make Shirou look less awesome.

On the contrary, I was starting to think that they were finally getting him a bit right.
He was steadily climbing my respect (I think the VN helped), but today, with running head-first at Archer, he really did it for me.
(Of course, why Archer didn't skewer him like Gil might have is still beyond my pleb knowledge)
 
May 9, 2015 10:41 AM

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DamnThatsTheSpot said:
Othi-tan said:

No matter how you look at it the anime did it better.

keep telling yourself that,bud

In the VN Archer just stands there while Shirou gets away.

In the anime Shirou stops Archer from interrupting Saber and Rin.

Take off your nostalgia glasses.

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It seems though that they go out of their way to make Shirou look less awesome.

In the VN he just stands there while Shirou gets away.

In the anime Shirou stops Archer from interrupting them.


While you didnt say anything about him looking like a generic shounen mc,it feels like half of the complaints about him are for not looking badass,awesome etc.isnt that what generic shounen MC are about?
 
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Grey-Zone said:
DamnThatsTheSpot said:

keep telling yourself that,bud


VN: "I can do it!" -> timeskip to the aftermath


yea, so much better.
They're talking about RinXSaber contract.
 
May 9, 2015 10:43 AM

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They're talking about RinXSaber contract.


yep, noticed too late. Still, Shirou using Archer's surprise to counterattack was a nice addition, not sure if the VN had this...
 
May 9, 2015 10:45 AM

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Something that took less than a min to read in the VN cant be rushed.
Grey-Zone said:
GARBrotato said:
They're talking about RinXSaber contract.


yep, noticed too late. Still, Shirou using Archer's surprise to counterattack was a nice addition, not sure if the VN had this...
 
May 9, 2015 10:46 AM

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More what happened after that and the "fight" as a whole aka the part where saber was super powerful which wasnt even clear from this
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More what happened after that and the "fight" as a whole aka the part where saber was super powerful which wasnt even clear from this


I think they wanted to show Archer's apparent "buff"
 
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More what happened after that and the "fight" as a whole aka the part where saber was super powerful which wasnt even clear from this
She destroyed the floor when Archer blocked while on his knees.Was overflowing with mana and Archer couldnt do shit.

Clearly not strong enough....
 
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Off to watching subbed.
 
May 9, 2015 10:52 AM

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Saving Saber, blocking Archer when Rin was doing the contract, blocking the rain, he was more awesome than in all the previous episode for me.

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On the contrary, I was starting to think that they were finally getting him a bit right.
He was steadily climbing my respect (I think the VN helped), but today, with running head-first at Archer, he really did it for me.
(Of course, why Archer didn't skewer him like Gil might have is still beyond my pleb knowledge)

He was definitly more awesome (see my first post in the thread), but he could've been more awesome, though.

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While you didnt say anything about him looking like a generic shounen mc,it feels like half of the complaints about him are for not looking badass,awesome etc.isnt that what generic shounen MC are about?

In addition to my point above, you could look more badass without looking generic.
The show needs to build expectations for a character if they're meant to achieve something big. So far Shirou look alright, but in no way a character halfway capable of achieving what he'll achieve in the future.
 
May 9, 2015 10:55 AM

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astroprogs said:
Guilek said:
Saving Saber, blocking Archer when Rin was doing the contract, blocking the rain, he was more awesome than in all the previous episode for me.

k0k0 said:
On the contrary, I was starting to think that they were finally getting him a bit right.
He was steadily climbing my respect (I think the VN helped), but today, with running head-first at Archer, he really did it for me.
(Of course, why Archer didn't skewer him like Gil might have is still beyond my pleb knowledge)

He was definitly more awesome (see my first post in the thread), but he could've been more awesome, though.

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While you didnt say anything about him looking like a generic shounen mc,it feels like half of the complaints about him are for not looking badass,awesome etc.isnt that what generic shounen MC are about?

In addition to my point above, you could look more badass without looking generic.
The show needs to build expectations for a character if they're meant to achieve something big. So far Shirou look alright, but in no way a character halfway capable of achieving what he'll achieve in the future.
Suddenly being able to do sword spams is not badass but "generic shounen" stuff.

He didnt look capable delaying Archer but he did.He didnt look capable of doing anything against the sword spam but he did.He is slowly building up experience,unlike the VN that was giving him exp in fast pace.
 
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Damn can Archer be anymore badass? Ahhh this anime never seems to disappoint.
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Loved UBW and I thought Shirou reproducing all the swords was obvious. He appeared pretty BA! Don't see why all the ranting about him seeming like a generic MC.

The Saber fight was nice and her contract with Rin was cool.

Only thing I'm gonna be needing the subs for is Rin's monologue about Archer. I know most of it but just to see what they included and not :3

Shinji coming made me cringe. Not excited for the time limit to be over and what he does to Rin <_< Why u do that Archer D:

Dat Gil "Faker" though XD[/quote]


I don't see the hate either, it's just VN elitists being VN elitists. There was nothing really bad and to be honest, I really loved the ground ofUBW. It wasn't the best episode but it wasn't the worst nor was it a bad episode.
 
May 9, 2015 10:58 AM

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I liked the episode. Only annoying part was where Shinji appeared (as always :| )

There was a little hint at sword analysis in this ep, but not much lol.
I liked how the analysis was exactly like reading the basic structure of stuff in 1st cour but of course without touching.
 
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The Archer x Seibah lines are stil intact! *dances*#

But the subs are wrong, it isn't 'if you try to prevent that, this world will not show you mercy, even to you', it's 'If you are going to try to stop me I will not hold back against you even in this world.'

*pouts*
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Never thought I would say this, but I'm disappointed in this episode.

Thought when Archer sommuned UBW was cool, but then nothing really happened after that so I felt like that was a waste. Then when Rin started talking about servants can come from the past, present, or future. And how Archer lived his life trying to save everyone. I thought (and I could be way off) that Archer is like the past self of Shirou or Shirou is Archer reincarnated or something like that.

Plus it felt rush. IDk maybe this was perfect in every way. This episode felt like it wanted to hurry up and get some info out there or something.

3/5
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Loved the episode. Shirou rushing at the rain Berserker style was epic.

One complaint I have is how Shirou and Saber leave for the castle at dawn. You better run Shirou! (or let Saber carry you bridal style)
 
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mira-nyan said:
The Archer x Seibah lines are stil intact! *dances*#

But the subs are wrong, it isn't 'if you try to prevent that, this world will not show you mercy, even to you', it's 'If you are going to try to stop meI will not hold back against you even in this world.'

*pouts*

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Suddenly being able to do sword spams is not badass but "generic shounen" stuff.

He didnt look capable delaying Archer but he did.He didnt look capable of doing anything against the sword spam but he did.He is slowly building up experience,unlike the VN that was giving him exp in fast pace.

Suddenly being able to do sword spams makes sense in that scene if explained adequately.

Your interpretation definitely has its merits, but you think 5 episodes is enough to build up Shirou when 17 episodes says otherwise?
When something is established in 17 episodes, 5 isn't nearly enough to change it.

If Shirou was build up as a potentially badass character, then I'd agree, but i honestly don't think that he was.
 
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Disappointed with the episode. Didn't live up to my expectations.

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-Really really rushed, time spent in UBW was way too short, no idea what they're even trying to do
-UBW looked rather underwhelming, the difference between the characters and CGI shows
-Why did Archer use projection inside UBW?
-I was looking forward to sword rain vs sword rain, such a shame that that didn't happen

On the other hand,
-transition to UBW with Archer's theme playing was cool
-Showed Shirou analysing weapons
-Shinji being Shinji
-FAKER

2.5 - 3/5
 
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astroprogs said:
Othi-tan said:
Suddenly being able to do sword spams is not badass but "generic shounen" stuff.

He didnt look capable delaying Archer but he did.He didnt look capable of doing anything against the sword spam but he did.He is slowly building up experience,unlike the VN that was giving him exp in fast pace.

Suddenly being able to do sword spams makes sense in that scene if explained adequately.

Your interpretation definitely has its merits, but you think 5 episodes is enough to build up Shirou when 17 episodes says otherwise?
When something is established in 17 episodes, 5 isn't nearly enough to change it.

If Shirou was build up as a potentially badass character, then I'd agree, but i honestly don't think that he was.


It's 7 episode content, not 5 episode content.
 
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astroprogs said:
Othi-tan said:
Suddenly being able to do sword spams is not badass but "generic shounen" stuff.

He didnt look capable delaying Archer but he did.He didnt look capable of doing anything against the sword spam but he did.He is slowly building up experience,unlike the VN that was giving him exp in fast pace.

Suddenly being able to do sword spams makes sense in that scene if explained adequately.

Your interpretation definitely has its merits, but you think 5 episodes is enough to build up Shirou when 17 episodes says otherwise?
When something is established in 17 episodes, 5 isn't nearly enough to change it.

If Shirou was build up as a potentially badass character, then I'd agree, but i honestly don't think that he was.
Not 17 eps.7 eps since his first projection and in the last eps he has been doing better.Archer said it when he healed him didnt he?That he would be better in his magic in a couple days.
I dont think any VN reader thought Shirou would what he did later on with a good reason and the VN(through Rin ) gave one.
 
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Also, when/how did Seiba figure out Acha's identity? o_O


When he said 'Saber, I shouldn't have become a hero'. Well, that's kinda what sums it up.

Sounds more OTP worthy in the VN, tho
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I think my head started to hurt when I saw Shirou swatting all those swords. That is Deen levels of stupidity. Its really a shame since I was really looking foward to see Shirou using a sword rain.
 
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I think my head started to hurt when I saw Shirou swatting all those swords. That is Deen levels of stupidity. Its really a shame since I was really looking foward to see Shirou using a sword rain.
Except from NOT using a sword spam it is nothing like Deen.
 
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Next episode will probably have the best Lancer moment in the entirety of F/SN.

 
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Woah now saber is rins master... That happened pretty fast.
Well rin is captured and lancer is going to help out again.

It looks like archer is a mage, that wasn't expected and he can use unlimited blade works.. Interesting...
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This episode was pretty much rushed for me.
I was disappointed by Archer vs Saber fight, Saber did almost nothing there.
UBW in the PV's looked awesome, but in this episode CGI ground was horrible and UBW moment was too short, maybe they will add some extra minutes in BD's maybe... Also I had a big hopes for Archer vs Shirou, well...
At least Rin's monologue and new Shinji's clothes were good.
 
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Looks like Archer didnt fire them one by one but all of them with a delay.Well that makes more sense now.
 
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Mathias2001 said:
It's 7 episode content, not 5 episode content.

It's 5 episode content because the last double length episode is the payoff.

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Not 17 eps.7 eps since his first projection and in the last eps he has been doing better.Archer said it when he healed him didnt he?That he would be better in his magic in a couple days.
I dont think any VN reader thought Shirou would what he did later on with a good reason and the VN(through Rin ) gave one.

I didn't mean only his powers build up, i also meant his character.
Better doesn't mean being able to... do what he'll do later on.
The VN built him up better IMO. Shirou's slope up doesn't have to be THIS curved.
Showing the "rain" helped. Explaining how he's able to use his weapons with this much skill helped.

Shirou doesn't have to be like this in episode 17. The payoff isn't that far away now.
 
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UBW was fucking amazing.

The budget on this show is crazy
Oh god who are you people?
 
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Archer is really the only reasonable character left in this world of lunatics

Took the words out of my mouth
 
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astroprogs said:
Mathias2001 said:
It's 7 episode content, not 5 episode content.

It's 5 episode content because the last double length episode is the payoff.


Correction: technically whole second half SHOULD be pay off, because build up is first half.
By that merit alone it won't be done.

FIrst half should have characterized shirou, fleshed out his ideology, powers, characterization, showcased lore, Rin/Shirou relationship.
Second half after Taiganapping IS the pay off. You are not supposed to "start learning" you are supposed to starting putting stuff together and seeing it pay off.
 
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