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May 2, 2015 11:27 AM

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Great episode...
Saber bondage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ended unfortunately :(
Caster and Kuzuki got rekt, kinda felt bad for Caster, started to like her.
Lancer OP AF...Archer pullin' tricky shit.
Can't wait to see how this will unfoil.
 
May 2, 2015 11:28 AM

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Is Saber supposed to be able to materialize her sword? She should be at about 0 now.
 
May 2, 2015 11:28 AM

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Guilek said:
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Then why didn't he check up on Rin and Shirou?

All that talk about wanting a master like Rin, liking how straight forward Shirou and enjoying working with the two of them and he leaves after not killing Archer.

You would think forming a temporary alliance with two people, would entail that both you keep the parties involved in the alliance alive.

He understood Archer went to kill Caster.
If Caster is dead, they didn't need him.
He didn't know, Archer want to kill Shirou.


So let me get this straight.

Archer lied and betrayed Rin to go work under Castor. Him and Lancer go fight to the death. Lancer is on the verge of killing him and he says that losing Caster's watchful eye was his plan all along. Archer already hates the guy and the guy is traitor in the eyes of him, why would he take his word so easily?

Also, if the plan was to kill Caster, why not check up on Shirou and Rin to see if they are still alive? As you said, if Archer still wants to kill Shirou but this would not have happened if Lancer checked up on them. It also ensures that Archer kept his word and went after Caster.

 
May 2, 2015 11:28 AM

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The episode was amazing.
 
May 2, 2015 11:29 AM

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Othi-tan said:


He thought he accomplished both.There is no reason to think otherwise.

Well technically there is,since Archer's not one to be trusted.

Cu's just kinda gullable
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Is Saber supposed to be able to materialize her sword? She should be at about 0 now.

Happened in the VN too.
 
May 2, 2015 11:33 AM
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Not a bad ep.
The Kuzuki flashback wasn't bad per se, but it kind of felt half done. It's like they only took random parts of the scene from F/HA and changed it around a bit.
Shirou actually thought about what he was doing for once here so that's something.
Lmao now I can't help but notice things like Shirou standing up and falling thanks subforum.

Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias looked quite nice, I enjoyed that. Still, Archer should've been a bit more challenged by Gae Bolg/not as calm as he was here. And I think I prefer Prillya's portrayal of Rho Aias, the literal 7 shields thing looked a bit...off. Decent fight nonetheless, if a bit too short. It also actually had some choreography so yeah. That was probably the best thing in here.

Rin vs Caster's fight was well handled too, I think. Kuzuki vs Shirou not so much but it was still mostly alright.

The changing of the trace on scene to not have the swords above Kuzuki already was a bit weird in that she could have command spelled Archer in the timeframe given here whereas in the original scene she didn't have the time to do that. Nevertheless the moment itself was decently handled. I'm not certain how well it got across Caster's wish, though.

3.5/5
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May 2, 2015 11:34 AM

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9999/5 but could only vote 5/5, fix pls
"When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice."
 
May 2, 2015 11:36 AM

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WrongPriest said:
Is Saber supposed to be able to materialize her sword? She should be at about 0 now.


If she was at 0, she would've disappeared. :P

She's around about 30? 50? She pushed Shirou pretty hard(in VN) she must've used quite some prana.

Also IA doesn't rely on prana(I think?). It's spell put on the blade by a certain futa creating maguc, the elementals create the wind illusion.

Lol, idk, askk Insert or Otou-san.
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May 2, 2015 11:36 AM

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So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?
 
May 2, 2015 11:38 AM

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ChickenFry said:
So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?


His true name was not outright stated in the anime so I guess it still is.
 
May 2, 2015 11:38 AM

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Gov said:
Guilek said:

He understood Archer went to kill Caster.
If Caster is dead, they didn't need him.
He didn't know, Archer want to kill Shirou.


So let me get this straight.

Archer lied and betrayed Rin to go work under Castor. Him and Lancer go fight to the death. Lancer is on the verge of killing him and he says that losing Caster's watchful eye was his plan all along. Archer already hates the guy and the guy is traitor in the eyes of him, why would he take his word so easily?

Also, if the plan was to kill Caster, why not check up on Shirou and Rin to see if they are still alive? As you said, if Archer still wants to kill Shirou but this would not have happened if Lancer checked up on them. It also ensures that Archer kept his word and went after Caster.

Because he is Lancer.

Sometimes characters dont over think stuff.
 
May 2, 2015 11:39 AM

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ChickenFry said:
So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?


CHICKEN-KUN, YOU'RE BACK! ;_;

I missed you so~much. Where were you when Shrimp-chan was dissing Aachaa? We needed reinforcements, you know?

TT_TT *hugz*
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May 2, 2015 11:39 AM

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Watched with subs, and it was even better.
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May 2, 2015 11:40 AM

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Gov said:
Guilek said:

He understood Archer went to kill Caster.
If Caster is dead, they didn't need him.
He didn't know, Archer want to kill Shirou.


So let me get this straight.

Archer lied and betrayed Rin to go work under Castor. Him and Lancer go fight to the death. Lancer is on the verge of killing him and he says that losing Caster's watchful eye was his plan all along. Archer already hates the guy and the guy is traitor in the eyes of him, why would he take his word so easily?

Also, if the plan was to kill Caster, why not check up on Shirou and Rin to see if they are still alive? As you said, if Archer still wants to kill Shirou but this would not have happened if Lancer checked up on them. It also ensures that Archer kept his word and went after Caster.


Because Lancer can't predict that, even the worst servant possible would still want to win/live.
Because if Archer kill Rin/Shirou duo, there's no more free master and he is masterless and lose the war.

But still, Archer want to kill Shirou and Lancer couldn't predict.
 
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Raziel1991 said:
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So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?


His true name was not outright stated in the anime so I guess it still is.


And I thought it was obvious that Kerry is the redman.
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This is the best ep of fsn ubw season 2 so far archer vs lancer take the spotlight in this ep. Caster betrayed.........well bitch like you deserve it never liked you anyway.
 
May 2, 2015 11:41 AM

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ChickenFry said:
So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?

Yes, it is.

For give an example, after this episode, on a french forum somebody think maybe he is
 
May 2, 2015 11:41 AM

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mira-nyan said:
ChickenFry said:
So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?


CHICKEN-KUN, YOU'RE BACK! ;_;

I missed you so~much. Where were you when Shrimp-chan was dissing Aachaa? We needed reinforcements, you know?

TT_TT *hugz*


Nah, I just pass by. This place is too salty for me now.
 
May 2, 2015 11:42 AM

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Loved this episode. Archer is a fucking trader...
RIP CASTAH...
 
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mira-nyan said:
Raziel1991 said:


His true name was not outright stated in the anime so I guess it still is.


And I thought it was obvious that Kerry is the redman.
Wasnt it Tokiomi?Since he had that pendant.
 
May 2, 2015 11:42 AM

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ChickenFry said:
So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?

Ssshhhh...

 
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Guilek said:
ChickenFry said:
So Archer's identity is not a spoiler anymore now?

Yes, it is.

For give an example, after this episode, on a french forum somebody think maybe he is


Ok. How about that "Trace on"?
 
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Othi-tan said:
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So let me get this straight.

Archer lied and betrayed Rin to go work under Castor. Him and Lancer go fight to the death. Lancer is on the verge of killing him and he says that losing Caster's watchful eye was his plan all along. Archer already hates the guy and the guy is traitor in the eyes of him, why would he take his word so easily?

Also, if the plan was to kill Caster, why not check up on Shirou and Rin to see if they are still alive? As you said, if Archer still wants to kill Shirou but this would not have happened if Lancer checked up on them. It also ensures that Archer kept his word and went after Caster.

Because he is Lancer.

Sometimes characters dont over think stuff.


So checking up with your alliance partners are alive is over thinking? This is common sense stuff here.
 
May 2, 2015 11:43 AM

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ChickenFry said:
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Yes, it is.

For give an example, after this episode, on a french forum somebody think maybe he is


Ok. How about that "Trace on"?


He's obviously the child of Shirou and Rin. His daddy thought him his skillz!
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Gov said:
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Because he is Lancer.

Sometimes characters dont over think stuff.


So checking up with your alliance partners are alive is over thinking? This is common sense stuff here.
Or not if their former ally reveals that he had planned to betray Caster since the beginning.

This is FZ Plane ep all over again.
 
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Gov said:
Guilek said:

He understood Archer went to kill Caster.
If Caster is dead, they didn't need him.
He didn't know, Archer want to kill Shirou.


So let me get this straight.

Archer lied and betrayed Rin to go work under Castor. Him and Lancer go fight to the death. Lancer is on the verge of killing him and he says that losing Caster's watchful eye was his plan all along. Archer already hates the guy and the guy is traitor in the eyes of him, why would he take his word so easily?

Also, if the plan was to kill Caster, why not check up on Shirou and Rin to see if they are still alive? As you said, if Archer still wants to kill Shirou but this would not have happened if Lancer checked up on them. It also ensures that Archer kept his word and went after Caster.



Lancer is a player through and through.So his words for Rin can be only taken on face value.Yes,he values loyalty but in the end his ultimate loyalty lies to his own master whose appearance will make a lot more sense later on.Basically,in the previous ep,he promised Rin that he will make Archer beg for forgiveness and in this one, he literally wipes the floor with him here.When he realizes that Archer had a plan all along, even though he hates his guts he realizes Archer might just go back to Rin.It was more of a calculation mistake on his part.
 
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ChickenFry said:
Guilek said:

Yes, it is.

For give an example, after this episode, on a french forum somebody think maybe he is


Ok. How about that "Trace on"?

I'm not this guy so I don't know how he think, i'm just saying some people have still wrong theories so respect them and don't spoil this.
 
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Gov said:

So checking up with your alliance partners are alive is over thinking? This is common sense stuff here.

We're talking about the same guy who had to confirm Saber was using a sword by directly asking her,despite fighting with her for about 2 minutes and everything else about her screaming "swordsman".
 
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ChickenFry said:
Guilek said:

Yes, it is.

For give an example, after this episode, on a french forum somebody think maybe he is


Ok. How about that "Trace on"?

 
May 2, 2015 11:46 AM

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Guilek said:
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Ok. How about that "Trace on"?

I'm not this guy so I don't know how he think, i'm just saying some people have still wrong theories so respect them and don't spoil this.


Hmm, sure...

But that will be clear next ep anyway.
 
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ChickenFry said:
Guilek said:

I'm not this guy so I don't know how he think, i'm just saying some people have still wrong theories so respect them and don't spoil this.


Hmm, sure...

But that will be clear next ep anyway.
Or not.
 
May 2, 2015 11:47 AM

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Othi-tan said:
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So let me get this straight.

Archer lied and betrayed Rin to go work under Castor. Him and Lancer go fight to the death. Lancer is on the verge of killing him and he says that losing Caster's watchful eye was his plan all along. Archer already hates the guy and the guy is traitor in the eyes of him, why would he take his word so easily?

Also, if the plan was to kill Caster, why not check up on Shirou and Rin to see if they are still alive? As you said, if Archer still wants to kill Shirou but this would not have happened if Lancer checked up on them. It also ensures that Archer kept his word and went after Caster.

Because he is Lancer.

Sometimes characters dont over think stuff.

Tbh I always thought this was the stupidest part of the UBW route. Didn't make any sense then, doesnt make any sense now. It's just "How do I let Archer live, even though he cant possibly defeat Lancer" Deus-Ex machina in my eyes.
 
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The quote towers will get cleaned again I'm sure.

Anyway, Archer's identity is still on a need-to-know-spoiler basis for now.
 
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Is it really necessary for Rin to yell the name of the magic stones when throwing them?
 
May 2, 2015 11:48 AM

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chat77 said:
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So let me get this straight.

Archer lied and betrayed Rin to go work under Castor. Him and Lancer go fight to the death. Lancer is on the verge of killing him and he says that losing Caster's watchful eye was his plan all along. Archer already hates the guy and the guy is traitor in the eyes of him, why would he take his word so easily?

Also, if the plan was to kill Caster, why not check up on Shirou and Rin to see if they are still alive? As you said, if Archer still wants to kill Shirou but this would not have happened if Lancer checked up on them. It also ensures that Archer kept his word and went after Caster.



Lancer is a player through and through.So his words for Rin can be only taken on face value.Yes,he values loyalty but in the end his ultimate loyalty lies to his own master whose appearance will make a lot more sense later on.Basically,in the previous ep,he promised Rin that he will make Archer beg for forgiveness and in this one, he literally wipes the floor with him here.When he realizes that Archer had a plan all along, even though he hates his guts he realizes Archer might just go back to Rin.It was more of a calculation mistake on his part.


I don't buy it. Rin told the guy he might be fighting three servants at the same time and he wasn't much bothered by it.

Archer betrayed Rin, then betrayed Caster all to get back to Rin. This is clearly not someone to be trusted and for him to put his faith in him is pure idiocy.

This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."
 
May 2, 2015 11:49 AM

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Kerytugu said:

Tbh I always thought this was the stupidest part of the UBW route. Didn't make any sense then, doesnt make any sense now. It's just "How do I let Archer live, even though he cant possibly defeat Lancer" Deus-Ex machina in my eyes.

Em, no?
Definitely not.Especially when compared to Archer not killing Shirou along with Caster or you know what after Answer.
 
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ChickenFry said:
Guilek said:

I'm not this guy so I don't know how he think, i'm just saying some people have still wrong theories so respect them and don't spoil this.


Hmm, sure...

But that will be clear next ep anyway.


The ep after that.

Next ep is Saber flash back + Ship tease!!!

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*shakes in boots* HYPE HYPE HYPE


HYPE, HYPE, HOORAY!
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May 2, 2015 11:49 AM
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Is it really necessary for Rin to yell the name of the magic stones when throwing them?

Those aren't names of the stones, they are incantations to cast various effects. Most of the stones are just prana stores and only some have a preset effect. So yes.
 
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Gov said:
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Lancer is a player through and through.So his words for Rin can be only taken on face value.Yes,he values loyalty but in the end his ultimate loyalty lies to his own master whose appearance will make a lot more sense later on.Basically,in the previous ep,he promised Rin that he will make Archer beg for forgiveness and in this one, he literally wipes the floor with him here.When he realizes that Archer had a plan all along, even though he hates his guts he realizes Archer might just go back to Rin.It was more of a calculation mistake on his part.


I don't buy it. Rin told the guy he might be fighting three servants at the same time and he wasn't much bothered by it.

Archer betrayed Rin, then betrayed Caster all to get back to Rin. This is clearly not someone to be trusted and for him to put his faith in him is pure idiocy.

This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."
You are trying hard.
 
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Sonotoki said:
Is it really necessary for Rin to yell the name of the magic stones when throwing them?


It is not names of stones, but of spells. Spells are activated by chanting. Stones themselves are nothing more than batteries.

Your average present day magus needs incantations to "channel" the power into the form they want. It is a form of self-suggestion because doing magic is incredibly hard.

Only someone as old as caster can just pretty much spam them without words or incantations, because the magic in her times was a lot more advanced, to the point that anything Rin has looks like a childsplay to Caster.

If anime bothered to explain magic we would know that.
 
May 2, 2015 11:51 AM
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This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."

What exactly do you mean here?
 
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Gov said:

This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."

What exactly do you mean here?
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Gov said:

This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."


Oh Gov, you don't know what Archer is capable of doing....keep on watching
 
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I don't buy it. Rin told the guy he might be fighting three servants at the same time and he wasn't much bothered by it.

Archer betrayed Rin, then betrayed Caster all to get back to Rin. This is clearly not someone to be trusted and for him to put his faith in him is pure idiocy.

This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."
You are trying hard.


So this is your retort huh?
 
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Gov said:

This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."

What exactly do you mean here?


No lore or power explanation is truly a joy. ITwill only get better.
 
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Gov said:
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You are trying hard.


So this is your retort huh?


Gov Lancer said himself...Archer is weird...keep on watching...he is capable of many things
 
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mira-nyan said:
Next eppy:



*shakes in boots* HYPE HYPE HYPE


That ponytail tho
Saber should always wear a ponytail while in her blue armor.
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HikariJake said:
mira-nyan said:
Next eppy:



*shakes in boots* HYPE HYPE HYPE


That ponytail tho
Saber should always wear a ponytail while in her blue armor.


true, Saber is the biggest reason for my ponytail fetish
 
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Gov Lancer said himself...Archer is weird...keep on watching...he is capable of many things


Weird doesn't even begin to explain it. He could have been killed and yet he doesn't use his entire moveset.
 
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Gov said:


I don't buy it. Rin told the guy he might be fighting three servants at the same time and he wasn't much bothered by it.

Archer betrayed Rin, then betrayed Caster all to get back to Rin. This is clearly not someone to be trusted and for him to put his faith in him is pure idiocy.

This just seems like a "we could be logical or we could make Archer do something in the series and kill a character with a move he never once used in the show. Sounds legit."


Because, Archer is now masterless without a master for a long time, he will die.
So Lancer couldn't think that Archer would want to kill the two last master without a servant.
 
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