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Apr 23, 2015 10:11 PM
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it is just me thinking but i think gol d roger was the 1st to eat gomu gomu fruit. you know since all the things are being connected to roger like straw hat, skypiea and alot of things and beside oda sensei hasn't shown anything about roger like swimming or any details about devil fruit and also shanks came to east blue with a devil fruit in a chest im pretty sure he came to look for that fruit i dont think shanks would want a devil fruit and when luffy ate it he was desperate to get it out
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Apr 23, 2015 10:14 PM
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English? And Oda hasn't shown many things regarding Roger, we've never seen him eat food.
Apr 23, 2015 10:24 PM
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IntroverTurtle said:
English? And Oda hasn't shown many things regarding Roger, we've never seen him eat food.
yes and we have never seen him swim too
Apr 23, 2015 10:34 PM
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lol
Apr 23, 2015 10:41 PM
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Lol. I don't think the connection is there because they both ate the same fruit. The connection is there because Roger was the pirate king and its showing that luffy has some similar accomplishments that foreshadow him becoming the pirate king/Being the greatest pirate.
Apr 23, 2015 10:46 PM
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Shanks, Raleigh and Buggy were all part of Roger's crew, and they all are connected to Luffy. They all know Luffy possesses the powers of the Gomu Gomu no Mi, and if Roger had it too, they would have said something about it.
Apr 24, 2015 5:03 AM
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Shanks, Raleigh and Buggy were all part of Roger's crew, and they all are connected to Luffy. They all know Luffy possesses the powers of the Gomu Gomu no Mi, and if Roger had it too, they would have said something about it.

True. Also, if Shank know about it then the rubber fruit would never just put on the bar table and might carefully protecting it.
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Apr 24, 2015 5:14 AM
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That would be a huge plothole because

Rouzhan said:
Shanks, Raleigh and Buggy were all part of Roger's crew, and they all are connected to Luffy. They all know Luffy possesses the powers of the Gomu Gomu no Mi, and if Roger had it too, they would have said something about it.
Apr 24, 2015 8:26 AM
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well shanks came to east blue to get a fruit and that fruit was in a chest and when luffy ate it he was trying to get it out so its just my deduction
Apr 27, 2015 2:52 AM

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Rouzhan said:
Shanks, Raleigh and Buggy were all part of Roger's crew, and they all are connected to Luffy. They all know Luffy possesses the powers of the Gomu Gomu no Mi, and if Roger had it too, they would have said something about it.


No one said that Luffy's hat belonged to Roger, while Shanks, Buggy, Crocus and Rayleigh knew about it. So while I don't think/ am not sure that Luffy's fruit belonged to Roger, this is not of any indication to him not having it, Oda purposely leaves these kind of things not being explained/stated for sake of the mystery.
Apr 27, 2015 3:30 AM

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Yes, Rayleigh mentioned it that Luffys hat belonged originally to Gol D.
Apr 28, 2015 3:37 PM

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Yes, Rayleigh mentioned it that Luffys hat belonged originally to Gol D.


Rayleigh said it. But not to Luffy. He said it to himself. It was just revealed by Oda, when he felt that it was the right thing to do. Luffy to that point doesn't know that his hat belonged to Roger.
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Phoenix_Wright said:
Behemoth11 said:
Yes, Rayleigh mentioned it that Luffys hat belonged originally to Gol D.


Rayleigh said it. But not to Luffy. He said it to himself. It was just revealed by Oda, when he felt that it was the right thing to do. Luffy to that point doesn't know that his hat belonged to Roger.


Wow one reader that actually pays attention, wp budd wp.

It´s highly likely that Roger had the Gomu Gomu no mi.

1. We never saw Roger fight.
2.Shanks had the fruit hidden inside a casket.
3.It´s not necessary for the characters to get crazy over a devil fruit power.
4. Shanks may have gotten his hands on the Gomu Gomu no mi as a memento.
5. Although Luffy and Shanks interacted alot he never told him that he was on Roger´s crew, neither did Crocos.

Luffy is already associated with Roger´s will, which required buildup. Revealing that the fruit choose him later into the story has a much bigger impact than throwing it out now.
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gol d. roger dont have devil fruit because he wasnt wearing sea stone shackles during his execution.

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Aeldrian said:
gol d. roger dont have devil fruit because he wasnt wearing sea stone shackles during his execution.


You can distinguish seastone handcuffs and normal ones? Great talent you have there!
The last time I checked Law had to get chained up to notice the difference.
Share your wisdom tell us how you can distinguish Kairoseki handcuffs and normal ones?
An ability not even Law has!
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Isterio said:
Aeldrian said:
gol d. roger dont have devil fruit because he wasnt wearing sea stone shackles during his execution.


You can distinguish seastone handcuffs and normal ones? Great talent you have there!
The last time I checked Law had to get chained up to notice the difference.
Share your wisdom tell us how you can distinguish Kairoseki handcuffs and normal ones?
An ability not even Law has!

Even if he did have sea stone shackles he was being executed and on top of that, agreed to be executed so even if he could of used his powers he wouldnt have. so him wearing sea stone shackles proves nothing.
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Isterio said:
Phoenix_Wright said:


Rayleigh said it. But not to Luffy. He said it to himself. It was just revealed by Oda, when he felt that it was the right thing to do. Luffy to that point doesn't know that his hat belonged to Roger.


Wow one reader that actually pays attention, wp budd wp.

It´s highly likely that Roger had the Gomu Gomu no mi.

1. We never saw Roger fight.
2.Shanks had the fruit hidden inside a casket.
3.It´s not necessary for the characters to get crazy over a devil fruit power.
4. Shanks may have gotten his hands on the Gomu Gomu no mi as a memento.
5. Although Luffy and Shanks interacted alot he never told him that he was on Roger´s crew, neither did Crocos.

Luffy is already associated with Roger´s will, which required buildup. Revealing that the fruit choose him later into the story has a much bigger impact than throwing it out now.


Thank you! I appreciate it.
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Isterio said:


You can distinguish seastone handcuffs and normal ones? Great talent you have there!
The last time I checked Law had to get chained up to notice the difference.
Share your wisdom tell us how you can distinguish Kairoseki handcuffs and normal ones?
An ability not even Law has!

Even if he did have sea stone shackles he was being executed and on top of that, agreed to be executed so even if he could of used his powers he wouldnt have. so him wearing sea stone shackles proves nothing.


Exactly. The same way as him not wearing sea stone shackles doesn't prove anything as well. So as for now, all these arguments about Gold D. Roger certainly having no fruit at all don't hold any weight. You may theorize that he didn't have it, because no one in manga mentioned it yet, but this is as far as you can go.
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Isterio said:
Aeldrian said:
gol d. roger dont have devil fruit because he wasnt wearing sea stone shackles during his execution.


You can distinguish seastone handcuffs and normal ones? Great talent you have there!
The last time I checked Law had to get chained up to notice the difference.
Share your wisdom tell us how you can distinguish Kairoseki handcuffs and normal ones?
An ability not even Law has!
Did you see the executuion his cuffs is wooden get your facts straight.

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May 8, 2015 11:03 AM
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Yeah it looks likely but i really dont hope that it becomes true at all. Since Roger was characterised by Garp as easy to anger and feared for his violence i consider him a brawler type of fighter. Having said that the Gomu Gomu no mi is exactly suited perfectly for a knobhead like him. His illness sounds also like an aftereffect from a frequently usage of Gears.

But looking at Portgas D. Rouges prolonged pregnancy month i'd rather hope its her original fruit to begin with.
May 8, 2015 11:08 AM

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dont you think that people would notice if luffy has the same powers as the previous pirate king? or atleast make a comment about it?
if he had the gomu gumo no mi he probs never used it then so people outside his crew didnt know?
idk, but i dont think he had the gomu gomu no mi.
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dont you think that people would notice if luffy has the same powers as the previous pirate king? or atleast make a comment about it?
if he had the gomu gumo no mi he probs never used it then so people outside his crew didnt know?
idk, but i dont think he had the gomu gomu no mi.


It´s a shounen convenient story telling is nothing new to them.
Whitebeards power should be reknown to the corner of the earth by your logic still Senghok first mentioned it´s nature "after" whiebeard used his ability.
Civilians probably don´t know shit, because Roger didn´t seem the guy to hurt them.
And the Marines probably keep it hidden for good reasons.
It´s out there till confirmed, who would have thought that the Strawhat belonged to Roger.
Worst of all Shanks and Buggy were on Rogers ship, none of them told Luffy they were and even the world didn´t know that Buggy was.
May 8, 2015 12:20 PM

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ye true but whitebeard wasnt dead yet so it wasnt what i meant.
like, if whitebeard died and then some random kid from west blue got it and ate it, dont you think people would say: omg that used to be whitebeards power?
if hes still alive there is no need for that indeed.
but people at for example marineford; like whitebeard and the admirals and sengoku and garp would say: wow he has the previous pirate kings powers.
But yeah maybe they want to keep it hidden
i understand that nobody said that about whitebeard because he didnt take it from some random guy and he was still alive using it.
and yeah shanks and buggy thing is true, but thats a little less important then pirate kings devil fruit :P but ok its still possible indeed.
we just have to wait for oda!
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While not impossible, I think it would be pretty silly at this point. The most notorious person in the world, someone whom everyone knows and not one person has thought to mention to themselves or to Luffy that " hey, that strawhat guy has the same fruit of the former pirate king!" That would be poor writing in my opinion. It's just something we would have heard at this point if that were indeed the case.

Maybe in other shounen but One Piece is a little more lain out and planned than others. Oda would have mentioned it b now, one way or another.
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I believe Oda chose Rubber is just because he can think of more skill/technique for fighting.

And there is a flashback showing Roger uses sabre and pistol.
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I believe Oda chose Rubber is just because he can think of more skill/technique for fighting.

And there is a flashback showing Roger uses sabre and pistol.


Vergo wielded a rifle on his back in his flashback, he was also shown using his legs in his fight with Sanji. But his real main weapon is a bamboo stick. Arlong didn't use his Kiribachi until the very last part of fight. So this flashback doesn't actually prove anything.
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aLotQuestion said:
I believe Oda chose Rubber is just because he can think of more skill/technique for fighting.

And there is a flashback showing Roger uses sabre and pistol.


Rogers design is that of a stereotypical pirate. You cannot get much closer to it. The Hat, a sabre+a pistol. The one thing that could make him more cliche would be a wooden leg and an eyepatch. But taking a look at him on his meeting with Rayleigh and all of sudden he looks nearly identical to Ace. If Oda wanted to give Luffy that connection with Roger he decided later on that, it was clearly not intended from the start. Yet the possibility is still there, if nothing is shown Roger was just a strong dude like Rayleigh with exceptional Haki. As long as the possibility exists it´s still up there.
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Isterio said:
aLotQuestion said:
I believe Oda chose Rubber is just because he can think of more skill/technique for fighting.

And there is a flashback showing Roger uses sabre and pistol.


Rogers design is that of a stereotypical pirate. You cannot get much closer to it. The Hat, a sabre+a pistol. The one thing that could make him more cliche would be a wooden leg and an eyepatch. But taking a look at him on his meeting with Rayleigh and all of sudden he looks nearly identical to Ace. If Oda wanted to give Luffy that connection with Roger he decided later on that, it was clearly not intended from the start. Yet the possibility is still there, if nothing is shown Roger was just a strong dude like Rayleigh with exceptional Haki. As long as the possibility exists it´s still up there.


There is also the possibility that at the time when Roger was shown fighting, he still didn't eat the Devil Fruit. He could literally eat it at any point of time during his life.
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There is also the possibility that at the time when Roger was shown fighting, he still didn't eat the Devil Fruit. He could literally eat it at any point of time during his life.


Dude I´m on your side, I support the theory that Roger had the Gumo Gumo no mi.
My theory is Shanks had taken the Gomu Gomu no mi as a memento.
No need to convince me.
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Considering that information in One Piece world travel at a light speed, this is highly unlikely because when it comes to Gomu Gomu no Mi the only thing that world remember is Straw Hat Luffy not Gol D Roger.
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Considering that information in One Piece world travel at a light speed, this is highly unlikely because when it comes to Gomu Gomu no Mi the only thing that world remember is Straw Hat Luffy not Gol D Roger.


No one also mentions that Luffy has the same hat, as Gol D. Roger, even though it is pretty important, and everyone is supposed to know it, unless Roger completely stopped wearing it, when he became an adult, and even then, the fact of Luffy wearing a straw hat became known to a lot of people, long before Luffy actually became a very famous pirate (his first bounty in East Blue). It is not like they'll suddenly forget that he wore it as a rookie, if he stops doing it later.
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No. Just no. And i doubt Roger had any DF fruit.

Garp, Shanks, Baggy, Sengoku, Rayleigh, Whitebeard ... if Roger had the gomu gomu we should have had a little flash back about it before the timeskip. I'm not saying they would have said something to Luffy but they should have reacted somehow the first time they witness his ability, and in fact none of them really cared.

I don't think it would be a good idea to increase the bond between Roger and Luffy. Luffy needs also to be himself, not some sort of reincarnation or copy of Roger.
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He got only the D

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Garp, Shanks, Baggy, Sengoku, Rayleigh, Whitebeard ... if Roger had the gomu gomu we should have had a little flash back about it before the timeskip. I'm not saying they would have said something to Luffy but they should have reacted somehow the first time they witness his ability, and in fact none of them really cared.



Rayleigh didn't say anyone that Luffy had the same Straw Hat as Roger did. And it was mentioned by him only after time-skip. Even Buggy only reacted to Luffy's hat belonging to Shanks, he said nothing about it belonging to Roger. Crocus didn't mention even that.

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