Yuri Kuma Arashi Episode 12 Discussion
Apr 1, 2015 8:53 AM
reeeb said:The first 3 episodes are certainly a lot more abstract and fast paced than the rest. They probably felt that they were "overdoing it", or just did that in order to impress the viewers (I think the first court session caught everyone by surprise once we saw what came after YURI APPROVED). Fact is, from episode 4 and on we see more acessible material and the death of the somewhat subtle images we treat as "symbolism" material. Its indeed a decline but it doesn't compromise the substantial material.
Well, it started great, but I think the anime lost itself in the middle episodes. I found it a bit forced sometimes, maybe trying to be a "new Penguindrum". But the final episodes closed it well.
Honestly, I've been keeping up with the dub* so I've recently rewatched the first three episodes again in both languages and they really don't hold up as well as I expected they would my first time through (when I assumed that we would get more insight to the events once later revelations happened). Yes they are intense, but the motivations of the bears doesn't explain their aggression towards Kureha in the beginning which is there solely to mislead you about what their dynamic is. The transformation scenes never were given any sort of explanation. The best I can come up with is she's falling down the stairs because the Judgemens are using their powers to protect her from bears who did not go to court to get Yuri approval for their kills and a side effect is a sexy dream while there magic is working, and we were just seeing Lulu and Ginko's motion for noms on the Invisible Storm interspliced; it's really weak, but better than nothing. It isn't satisfying when you recognize these "symbolic" events have no payoff in the narrative.
I find the slow episodes like 4 and 8 to be among the best; Ikuhara shows always seem most compelling to me when they are character studies (I think the Black Rose Arc is the most interesting thing Ikuhara has ever done), and I think I would enjoy this more on a rewatch if we had gotten less misdirection about what Ginko and Lulu's motivations are and what they are doing relative to Kureha. They could have used that time to develop one or two of the Invisible Storm girls. Kaoru gets all of one line of character development (that her harassment is primarily driven by insecurity she will be the next target if she isn't the leader of the Invisible Storm) five seconds before she gets eaten. Exploring different reasons people join into herd mentalities could add another layer of depth.
*Which has only gotten better over time; I genuinely think Tipton gives a more passionate performance as Kureha than Yamane, Caitlin Glass was never going to exceed Aoi Yuki's performance as Mitsuko but she definitely approaches it in the rooftop scene in episode 3, and the adaptive script makes some really good choices in my opinion to make it convincing with only a couple lines delivered or phrased poorly. Still not feeling the voices chosen for the bears though; they are giving good performances, but just rubs me the wrong way
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The two MCs "died" in the same way that Utena "died." They moved on from the restraints of social norms.
Actually I find the ending is very Utena-esque but with a happier -and some way with a less ambiguous- tone. I like it, but it is not so powerful like the endings of Utena and Penguindrum, where I found me crying and feel me weird about the fates of the characters. Here... not, only Lulu caught my attention since the first episodes :(
Good series, anyway. But I actively recommend watch the previous work of Ikuhara to see his better stories.
I agree with this. The ending was VERY similar to the ending of Utena, but not nearly as powerful or subtle. The show in general just wasn't subtle or elegant especially at the end, when the characters are just sort of raptured up to heaven.
The show has some interesting stuff, and I'm always glad to see Ikuhara make more anime, but compared to Penguindrum or Utena I thought it was rather over the top and at several points a bit of a train wreck.
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I get not being a fan of the character design (Morishima definitely is a love or hate artist) but are you seriously going to complain about the animation being off on a smile while praising Utena? I love Utena, definitely beats both Ikuhara's other shows as far as the story goes, but it's PLAUGED with animation errors (see: half the shots of Touga). It's not Musashi Gundog bad, but calling Utena visually stunning is... it has moments of brilliance for sure, but it doesn't have the tools or budget of modern shows and it is obvious just by watching most episodes.
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this ending had me scratching my head a bit but over all i liked this anime. I had always said that Sumika wasnt dead, and I was sort of right, so that was good to know
Can we say that Sumika never existed? She was something abstract.
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Gave me a bit more Kuma Shock than penguindrums did.
Sumika = Lady Kumaria greatest conspiracy.
Yuri lives on. It's a world within a world within a storybook told to the immortal little brother by Lulu in another world and everything's a metaphor.
The stylistic sequences (court, search evil etc, yuri approved etc) works to its advantage in anchoring the convoluted plot into key events, and delivers on the rules of this world.
Anime characters kiss, how rare is that? I thought the show started nonsensical, then plotlines diverged then converged, some symbols explained, and became the most cool, kirakira, and shabadaaduu show.
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yeah i'm definitely not a fan of this lol
the OP song is fantastic
the style is quite nice, but overdone. i do love the watercolor/crayon style tho!
the plot is very jumbly and everywhere which was my concern :S
i really liked the premise too.
another thing i disliked was dialogue. they say the goddamn same things in each episode "how true is your love?" and "i won't back down on my love!" which got to my nerves.
watch nodame cantabile
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Catch phrases are annoying! DO YOU THINK THIS IS A MOTHERFUCKING POKEMON?!!
4/10 Ikuhara, I'm disappointed.
Wait! dat BIG sis x lil brother<3 scene!
Why are you knocking Yuri Kuma points off because of catchphrases when catchphrases have been a staple in all of Ikuhara's anime? Do you KNOW how many times we had to hear about the Egg's Shell in Utena?
Or how many times she reminded herself to crush them soon in Penguindrum?
Apparently Ikuhara is on record that he loves repetition unlike virtually every other animation director out there. Repeated lines, repeated scenes: he compares them to religious ceremonies and mantras that gain strength and power through structured reuse. Establishing patterns only to either break them or change the context for the audience is something that he does frequently, and you either dig it or you don't.
...that said, anything actually said explicitly by Ikuhara should be assumed to be trolling until established otherwise.
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1/5 because Monokuma didnt show up to reveal he was the mastermind behind the plan to make Kureha despair.
In all seriousness while watching this show i was like: so this is what you get when you cross Utena with Danganronpa.
And behold, when i looked up the show here i find out its directed by the same person who directed Utena. I wonder if he's a fan...
Liked the show though. I pretty much disregarded the symbolism as well and just viewed it as a love story with a bizarre twist. 4/5
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Finally finished this show...I must say, I know exactly why I was reluctant to watch this after previously seeing Penguindrum. Ikuhara makes good shows, but it just takes so much effort for me to process through it...I've read like every single post in the episode discussions for YKA while watching this, so I'm def. going to need a less thinking-intensive anime after this.
Hm, since about like 4~5 eps ago I had a theory (I don't recall where it came from) but I'm surprised that I haven't someone post the same idea here...I think (or my memory is bad).
Well, I just happened to take an intro to psychology class the last semester, and tbh I think some of Freud's ideas are touched on by the show. Specifically the idea of id, ego and superego. I think the humans + Life Cool represent superego (societal expectations) which should be quite obvious with the "people who can't read the mood are evil!". Bears + Life Beauty are id (inner desires), like how the bears are eating others and there was the whole Yurizono is lust thing. And then continuing this logic Life Sexy is like the middle between the two.
Basically I think the point was that the two main characters had to get over their respective side and "shatter the mirror/themselves" (Ginko overcoming the Yurizono lust thing) (Kureha accepting Ginko / not being prideful) and then when they come together in balance,
So I don't think the show is necessarily about homosexuality specifically but kinda a commentary on societal standards / inner desires in general but homosexuality was used to convey it since it fits.
There is still probably a ton of stuff that I'm not completely sure about and symbolisms that I dunno if I would be able to explain, like why the fuck Kumaria was Sumika and what death is supposed to represent in this metaphor. But...the above is /major message/ I got out of the show.
If my theory doesn't hold up to the show because of something I didn't consider, please feel free to point out the flaws
I thought the show was pretty good. Like 8.5/10 but not sure if I should round up or down :|
I think for now I'll give it a final score of 8/10 and I'll change it later if I feel the need to
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those excluders, especially the leader, shoulda died tho. i wanted them to die. agreeing with yuri or not, even if it's just excluding, it's still twisted and deranged to witch hunt for them. though then again, another one woulda just popped up after doing the same thing :<
Yeah, I think that was intentional. The evil main girl/woman at the top got killed like 4 or 5 times during the show and it didn't change anything. They just went on business as usual.
The bad girls didn't spend much time mourning their fallen or re-branding their mission as an effort to avenge their leader. They didn't spend much time celebrating their successes either, the invisible storm meetings just kept going at a steady pace. They didn't make it personal, because it isn't personal. The problem isn't a bad person or the bad personal relationship between two individuals, it's the whole system, invisibly surrounding them like the atmosphere.
If just killing the bad guys would lead to social progress then that kind of change would happen MUCH faster. Humans have been busy killing the bad guys for thousands of years now, exactly because it feels like the right thing to do. But what's going to bring change in the end is neither shooting lots of bears nor mauling vicious schoolgirls.
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