Shirobako Episode 23 Discussion
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My guess is that it is no coincidence that real-life Shirobako Director Tsutomu Mizushima's
name and title appears right above the head of the fictional director of "Third Aerial Girls
Squad". I have always thought that much of this series is loosely based on Mizushima's
experiences over his career. This is the first time that there has been a direct hint.
Mar 19, 2015 9:14 AM
Nice scene with the director and actual writer. Watching two creative geniuses work out things is a wonderful thing to witness, and this scene captured it well.
All the VA fans are going to go crazy, sort of wished the production committee had helped her get the job though.
Love the dose of absurdity with the western scene, it had the right touch. Same with Miyamori's reaction at the end. That said all the really needed to be said about her as a person. Very touching.
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Mar 19, 2015 10:41 AM
That's a big change
Now I would have LOVED to hear the instructions of what brought about that change!
"Humm, nice design, but she needs to make more of an impact."
"Inflate the breasts?"
"Better, but still we need more impact"
"In a bikini?"
Mar 19, 2015 11:20 AM
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I had no idea to say when I saw Oichan's crying. That should be against the law or something but anyway, I'm happy to have seen Shizuka arrived at the start line finally. This was the beginning for her to have a role of a named character.
As for the scene of the meetings at the manga publisher's, I was a bit disappointed because they dodged some difficult problems and reasons that caused the editors to act that stupid. Chazawa being stupid may be okay, which was his given role. But, how come his higher-ups were so? Just because Chazawa was very stupid couldn't make the matter that bad. For instance, Chazawa knew Nogame's first animation was a disaster to the author so he would like to minimize the burden on him... or such...
By the way, did you see the envelope appeared at the start of the ending movie had a large "R" mark? The earlier movies got retaken.
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Mar 19, 2015 11:30 AM
Chazawa being stupid may be okay, which was his given role but how come his higher-ups were so? Just because Chazawa was very stupid couldn't make the matter that bad. For instance, Chazawa knew Nogame's first animation was a disaster to the author so he would like to minimize the burden on him... or such...
Chazawa wasn't merely stupid, he was lazy and a liar. The higher ups were defending the author from what Chazawa told them was their unreasonable requests (which they rightly should do); Chazawa didn't want the writer and director to meet because his own laziness would have been exposed (as it was in the end).
His laziness was based on the belief that everything was just too bothersome, so he put everything off until the last minute and then blamed the studio. There is nothing wrong with the agent being the filter, but the agent needs to understand what the author wants and be able to convey it to the studio and vice versa. Chazawa never bothered, he took the path of absolute least effort and dumped everything on the studio. Once the author and the bosses understood that, their mood quickly changed.
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Mar 19, 2015 4:45 PM
Definitely choked up harder seeing Oi-Chan's tears than seeing the last episode of Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso.
I could totally understand why Miyamori would cry so much and the emotions didn't feel fake at all. Shizuka getting a voice role was just the perfect way to end the whole miscommunication fiasco between the studio and the author. Not only are the viewers relieved to see the show back on track, viewers are also relieved that one of our beloved protagonists finally became a step closer to her dream after not having much success throughout twenty episodes of this show. 11/10
I'm the same, Shigatsu I was braced for, not to mention I read the Manga so I think that might have taken the edge off. But I was genuinely surprised and pleased to see this episode. Almost felt like tearing up myself. She really is the heart of the group, she gets the least glorious job with the most pressure and yet she is always thinking about everyone else. Miyamori sure is something else...
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This episode was definitely one of the best of the series! The director's fights with the manga editors cracked me up so much XD (the elasticity of the director's stomach may be one of the best defenses of the anime world)
And.. the very very best part!! Myamori's tears!!! I replayed that part so many times. It really was the best way to resolve the series. Loved that Zuka landed this role, made it more realistic than landing the side protagonist's role from the beginning considering her level of experience. Also made it extra emotional when we finally see her getting closer to her dreams.. TT
Mar 20, 2015 5:02 AM
Arrghhhh... I can't get over it, that scene when she is covering her face is sooo immensely cute, I've re-watched it so many times now but when she hides it soooo adorable.
Imagine though her happiness and relief that her friend finally took the first step, that simple and honest emotion of joy for someone else other than you. Miyamori, in this one simple performance, easily becomes one of my fave heroine's ever.
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Mar 20, 2015 11:08 AM
Now tell me, why does this brilliant of a show only have 7.66 rating and 39,919 members? Where is the love for this show, MAL? Are you tsundere for good shows? Please tell me why, how, what did go wrong? Please. PLEASE TELL ME!
Good shows that aren't hyped will get less love than over-hyped fan service filled stuff like the latest episode of Saekano. Don't even bother hoping for a good anything on MAL when something is genuinely good unless the hype-train is there.
On MAL it seems PLOT gets more upvotes than plot...
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So it wasn't Nogame who wan no game but it was the editor or was no game.
Well he wasn't really fir for the job trying to shift his responsibilities elsewhere.
I wasn't surprised that Nogame and the director worked things out so quickly, since the fact that the never met was the problem.
It was nice to see that they gave each other ideas to work with, is the boss would say it was a win win situation.
Mar 20, 2015 12:22 PM
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That annoying editor finally got what he deserved. Dunno how much blame the other editors had, but at least the worst offender was removed. The scene was funny, a bit fantastic but I supposed what we saw is what Miyamori was imagining while waiting.
Skullcrusher said:The unexpected factor plays an important role. (I was kinda ninja´d here)
YumeNoMonogatari said:Me too.
This scene moved me more than Shigatsu. Not lying, not trolling.
"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain"
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