Marriage Yes or No?

MashuuSumisu said:


Can you explain why it probably isn't ideal statistically?

XAnima13X said:
Lets spice things up a bit.

Prelude

And there we have once again another of those classic questions which you can only lose the very moment you answer it making an idiot of yourself (yes this is an insult but with arguments). This is not a simple case of yes or no/ either or.

But before we start:
Mixing is an agression to identity. Who cares you can say. Its easy to do that though cause this agression happens on the next organisational level. I will therefore raise this question out of its individualist perspective where most of us dont care at all and discuss it on the level where it tends to escalate: the pro contra race. + I later edited and added the level of pro contra culture. Even if nobody sais “intercultural marriage”. The the effects and conclusions could be the similar but the borders we need to draw wouldn’t necessary be the same as things can get more complicated with cultures (thank god). And of course both aspects would compete against each other (cultural vs racial diversity).

Do you agree with interracial marriage?

If you answer with an unconditional yes, you basically answer it with a no. An unconditional mixing of races today would lead to the disappearance of races tomorrow. Thus your own yes of today would deny the possibility of future generations to experience interracial marriage. Which is one thing and many people wouldn’t mind that. But maybe they should.
(Btw, you also just have declared war against all small and weak communities on the planet. Congratulations :D.)



But we also need to see why most of us miss this: nobody has exactly defined the value of this diversity for our species yet.



Just saying so you are aware where your choice leads and in which context it is put nowadays.

An unconditional no then again brings up the classic issues of isolation. The concentration of traits especially the negative ones (like in inbreeding) and the lack of information flow. The motivation behind the no is usually the desire to maintain that identity. But you have to face it: a certain degree of mixing helps to maintain this identity helps to refresh and enrich that identity and can help to change and better. And places where different identities collide are a places of innovation and new ideas. They can be very valuable for a community.

My opinion:

To really be able to answer this question there are many things we don’t know, Things we would need to define and research. Where we can draw the lines and say: till here change is good, from here on change starts to benefit less, and from here on it only harms.

How much mixing can a racial/cultural homogenous community can allow itself before it becomes an aggression to its identity? How much benefit can a community gain from it?

What is the value of our cultural and racial identity and diversity for us individuals, for our communities and us species? How much diversity do we need /can we afford?

And then comes a few other stuff, to mess up everything:

The relevance of mixed marriage for the pro/contra race discussion (does it matter at all?)
-Many assume that racial traits are a sole function of genetics. How far do other factors contribute to these traits?
-We completely assume that the degree of mixing is solely in our hands. What if there are biological mechanisms which over the curse of time evolved to control the degree of diversity for a species. (evolution controlling mechanisms?)
-What other aspects contribute to an aggression against identities

Scaling effects aka. math is everywhere
The impact of mixing on a population will also be a function
of population size,
of birth and death rates;
of something I would call degree of self-definition (eg dominance of the qualifying traits)
all kinds of global systemic effects
and god knows what else.
Eg.: Mixing for a small community could mean its disappearance within a few generations, while a large/dominant community shouldn’t give a fuck over a little mixing because the impact on its identity is near zero if not positive.

You see there are many many things which matter here which would require an individual case assessment for different communities. Think it through and ask yourself: do you really want to answer this question with a simple yes or no? If you do that I think chances are high you will be extremely arrogant towards someone somewhere on this planet.

PS: tldr? don't read? don't comment
PSS: If you think I am a racist go back and read again :D.

spuukiebuugi said:
why wouldn't I be? I don't give a fuck what people do and who they marry, and moreover, I don't give a fuck about race when it comes to personal attraction.

NostalgiaDrive94 said:


It's all quite analytical but don't you think it is well beyond exaggerated and generalized?
I think you took the very simple question "Do you agree on two people of different races to marry?" to an astonishing hyperbolated degree.

The question wasn't "Do you agree on letting every race on Earth mixing themselves?".
Interesting concepts you brought up though.

Vosgy said:
Why Necro this topic?
I don't get it.

GiveMeTheCrown said:
As someone who is half/half race, I'd say I agree with it :)

SilverSkies said:
Race is bullshit to begin with, of course interracial marriage is okay.

Felix said:


Classifying things is bullshit,... Okay....

Lost_Viking said:
No, I don't agree with it. I think people should keep to their own kind. What people don't realize about "diversity" is that intermixing will destroy it and we'll all be the same, which is exactly what global elites want. They want a unified slave race that's 100% obedient because they don't have any culture to call their own.

No, I don't agree with it. I think people should keep to their own kind.

What people don't realize about "diversity" is that intermixing will destroy it and we'll all be the same,

which is exactly what global elites want. They want a unified slave race that's 100% obedient because they don't have any culture to call their own.

NudeBear said:
Which is exactly what's happening: homo sapiens breeding with homo sapiens.

NudeBear said:
So reproduction among a more genetically diverse gene pool reduces diversity?

NudeBear said:
Young and old black, white, asian people are falling in love with each other because...of a world wide conspiracy to turn us into slaves? Are you even trying?

Lost_Viking said:
Mixed raced people are more prone to physical and mental illnesses in general.

Dr-Eyes said:
I dont have any problem with people who want to marry someone outside their race, even though the majority of people prefer to marry within their race, some people actually have a preference to outside it.
However i disagree with forced interracial propaganda, like when some people start to lie and spread propaganda pieces about it.

Lost_Viking said:
Mixed raced people are more prone to physical and mental illnesses in general.

Lost_Viking said:


So you're someone who believes that "we're" all the same. While I agree there should be equal opportunities/responsibilities for everyone, biologically this is wrong. Mixed raced people are fucked if they end up needing bone marrow transplants and are more prone to physical and mental illnesses in general.


I'm primarily referring to CULTURAL diversity, but even in the case of genetic diversity you have dominant vs recessive genes: if you have a dominant gene like black hair or brown eyes you're less likely to be born with blonde or red hair and blue or green eyes since those are all recessive.


It's happened before: Australia and Brazil both tried to "whiten" native aboriginal populations, black Africans from the Congo are outbreeding and forcibly assimilating the bushmen of southern Africa, Japanese outbred and forcibly assimilated the Ainu, Crusaders wiped out entire pagan groups in the Baltic during the Crusades, and now of course you have nonwhite refugees and migrants flooding Europe. I wouldn't call it a "conspiracy", it's just that people are too ignorant to realize what's going on and are then powerless when they find out and finally speak out because of "hate speech" laws.

So you're someone who believes that "we're" all the same. While I agree there should be equal opportunities/responsibilities for everyone, biologically this is wrong. Mixed raced people are fucked if they end up needing bone marrow transplants and are more prone to physical and mental illnesses in general.

I'm primarily referring to CULTURAL diversity, but even in the case of genetic diversity you have dominant vs recessive genes: if you have a dominant gene like black hair or brown eyes you're less likely to be born with blonde or red hair and blue or green eyes since those are all recessive.

It's happened before: Australia and Brazil both tried to "whiten" native aboriginal populations, black Africans from the Congo are outbreeding and forcibly assimilating the bushmen of southern Africa, Japanese outbred and forcibly assimilated the Ainu, Crusaders wiped out entire pagan groups in the Baltic during the Crusades, and now of course you have nonwhite refugees and migrants flooding Europe.

and now of course you have nonwhite refugees and migrants flooding Europe.

Rarusu_ said:
I have nothing against interracial relationships. I can understand parents concerns though when it comes to cultural differences there can be. If my sister would marry and move to Saudiarabia, I wouldn't be too glad.