Innadi said: Waifu_Strangler said: Standing out from all the others, doing things that weren't done before, having your own style that's yours alone, things like that though in all honesty there's a lot more to it. Why? I wanted to ask that because I wanted to understand why you didn't get the fandom for Radiohead. As much as I like originality and exploration, I do not think that a musician has to be truly unique or "avant garde" for them to be good artists. Building on what has been done by people before and finding your own voice in doing so is also very novel. That being said, I get the feeling that we're both saying the same thing. :p Well all that's fine but its the extremity of Radiohead's fan base I don't get. They tend to be elitist and think Radiohead is more artsy, deep, and intelligent than every other artist. |
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Innadi said: Waifu_Strangler said: Well all that's fine but its the extremity of Radiohead's fan base I don't get. They tend to be elitist and think Radiohead is more artsy, deep, and intelligent than every other artist. Just because some of the Radiohead fans you know act in such a way doesn't mean that you can say the same about the entirety of Radiohead's fandom. I do get where you're coming from though (having seen a few such people myself). Anybody who tends to be elitist and play the role of pretend-hippe (source - me) has either not heard enough music, or are downright pretentious. Well it seems like the vast majority of them have been like that. Maybe its just coincidence though. I've gotten flamed quite a bit for not liking the band. |
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SchnickelFritz said: Ah yeah, good call on the shibuya-kei scene. Pizzicato Five was another big name. Not bad! Looks like I need to focus on more Japanese music. |
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| if only people had some real issues behinds hating on radiohead. what a waste pf energy and truthfully saying hipsters love them is insulting. they are loved my many. of every sort of human frankly its disgusting to dismiss an artist like that |
Working_Designs said: gizter13 said: and i pity you even more. Okay then, go ahead, try to find post-1990 English language songs that sound any good, because they can be counted on the fingers of one hand. i didnt feel like reposting one of those entire chains agian, zo replying to this coment. i cant recomend you anything since our tastes really differ. but the thing is that theres still bands/artists playing all the genres there where back back in the day, myself prefer the 80's mainly the metal and punk, but theres still good speed metal comming out totay, i also see the part where you do find songs in games and anime you like, as acknowledging you don't try to look for newer music, but sometimes still come across something you do like while doing something else, (where i cant deny that sometimes songs are easier to get into when they are linked to another interest) but really man, whatever floats your boat. not trying to say you have to listen to new artists, but it just sounds increcibly close minded to disregard it all. PS. the part where you said all or a lot of old people think like that isn't quite the case. all old people i know, still love new artists aswell. my grandads favorite singer is one that broke through like 5 years ago. i actualy started to pity the other guy more though. seems he plays in a band himself while saying everyting past 91 is crap. by his judgement that means his band also sounds like crap since its not the 80's anymore. |
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| Maybe I don't quite get IDM. It sounds very dry to me. Other than that, everything I dislike really is just bad. You gotta love MAL... let's play noisegrind and shit to try and get someone who only likes the 50's and 60's into modern music. I bet he or she would even dismiss some of the fairly accessible modern progressive rock that I like. Then again, video game music and certain other soundtracks take heavy influence from prog. Anyway, modern music has stuff like this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW_6aQGIP5o But yeah, I also tend to like stuff that is largely within styles that've been around a while. Modern production values are superior though, when people know what they're doing. Here's another one, getting a bit more risky and modern (sort of), still very tuneful though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UHwkfhwjsk |
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Altairius said: IDM is more appreciable when you try to compose it. A lot of IDM artists grew up with sequencers or trackers, saw the potential they had, and sought to use them to the absolute maximum (whether it be filling the entire memory of an LSDJ cart, a CF card, or filling the screen with samples while still maintaining a rhythm, much of it evolved from that mindset).Maybe I don't quite get IDM. It sounds very dry to me. Other than that, everything I dislike really is just bad. Two generations of IDM; the latter's tribute to the former: |
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| I don't get the Beatles like they are okay and all but the best band ever? nah |
| Definitely Queen. Bohemian Rapshitty is plain crap. Why do people like it? |
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Promethazine said: I don't get the Beatles like they are okay and all but the best band ever? nah It think its cause their music is pretty unique for their time, it really changed the industry back in the 60's |
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TheConquerer said: A lot of innovation happened on their watch as well, particularly in recording. Promethazine said: I don't get the Beatles like they are okay and all but the best band ever? nah It think its cause their music is pretty unique for their time, it really changed the industry back in the 60's Not a fan myself, but I do appreciate their contributions. Yellow Submarine was the first album I ever bought. |
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Skyline_R said: Pop shit, like One Direction, Lady Gaga, etc. Yeah, I don't get how they can stomach listening to these. |
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daintybiscuit said: if only people had some real issues behinds hating on radiohead. what a waste pf energy and truthfully saying hipsters love them is insulting. they are loved my many. of every sort of human frankly its disgusting to dismiss an artist like that OK well how about the fact I find their music boring, forgettable, and uninspired? They simply aren't interesting and above all there songs are quite forgettable. They're actually kinda annoying to me and I find Yorke's voice quite grating. |
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| Radiohead just aren't great songwriters. You see the extent of their songwriting with OK Computer, which has one good prog track (Paranoid Android) and a bunch of ok songs that rely too much on production and instrumentation. That's not to say there's no appeal or merit to those songs. You can't get the same vibe from say, the Hollies. I'm just saying their appeals are largely superficial and they aren't necessarily a better group than the Hollies. Incidentally, I made that comparison before recalling the connection between The Air That I Breathe and Creep. I like the original better. After OK Computer, they almost entirely filter out the songwriting. I think, with very few exceptions, 'atmosphere' alone doesn't cut it. Plus, yeah, his voice is not appealing. |
Altairius said: Radiohead drastically changes stylistically with almost every release. If you're expecting anthems and ballads a la Pablo Honey every time, you're looking in the wrong place.'atmosphere' alone doesn't cut it |
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Deserada said: Altairius said: Radiohead drastically changes stylistically with almost every release. If you're expecting anthems and ballads a la Pablo Honey every time, you're looking in the wrong place.'atmosphere' alone doesn't cut it Can also does this but with more success. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: daintybiscuit said: if only people had some real issues behinds hating on radiohead. what a waste pf energy and truthfully saying hipsters love them is insulting. they are loved my many. of every sort of human frankly its disgusting to dismiss an artist like that OK well how about the fact I find their music boring, forgettable, and uninspired? They simply aren't interesting and above all there songs are quite forgettable. They're actually kinda annoying to me and I find Yorke's voice quite grating. just don't go around calling people hipsters. i'm a music lover, not a hipster. its really not fair to throw that label around. as if only one kind of person likes them. |
daintybiscuit said: Waifu_Strangler said: OK well how about the fact I find their music boring, forgettable, and uninspired? They simply aren't interesting and above all there songs are quite forgettable. They're actually kinda annoying to me and I find Yorke's voice quite grating. just don't go around calling people hipsters. i'm a music lover, not a hipster. its really not fair to throw that label around. as if only one kind of person likes them. I didn't mean to but be sure I've been called a hipster plenty. Much of what I listen to is far less accessible than Radiohead. |
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Deserada said: TheConquerer said: A lot of innovation happened on their watch as well, particularly in recording. It think its cause their music is pretty unique for their time, it really changed the industry back in the 60's Not a fan myself, but I do appreciate their contributions. Yellow Submarine was the first album I ever bought. they were a revolutionary band, agreed, and I like some of their songs/albums but something still doesn't feel right to me |
Promethazine said: Deserada said: A lot of innovation happened on their watch as well, particularly in recording. Not a fan myself, but I do appreciate their contributions. Yellow Submarine was the first album I ever bought. they were a revolutionary band, agreed, and I like some of their songs/albums but something still doesn't feel right to me Generally every song on their albums was at least interesting. No other band at the time or since is as good at combining accessible pop tune formats with experimental and avant garde elements. They really did have their own feel and I love their surreal lyrics and occasional use of dark humor. |
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| Well, this is a cute thread. I remember my high school hipster phase...someone needs to find me that BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION Filthy Frank video. Seriously kids, life is more fun when you try to enjoy more things and dislike fewer things. I tend to believe that people who claimed to dislike Vocaloid haven't really given it a fair chance...Vocaloid encompasses a lot of different genres and styles, so it's not just cutesy pop stuff. There's a lot of Vocaloid jazz and EDM that is pretty mature, with none of the squeaky "robotic" sounding voices most people complain about. Also, if the only Vocaloid you've listened to is Miku then you really can't judge the whole of Vocaloid music... As for music I personally don't get, I've never really been into American rap music. I guess it's because I don't really care for the kind of lifestyle a lot of rap artists promote. But rap in general is okay, and I tend to enjoy it more when I can't understand what they're saying. For the most part I'm pretty open to all types of music though. I always like finding new stuff to get into so I never completely write off any genre of music. |
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tsunamaru said: The value in vocaloid productions, to me, is in the ability to probe the absolute limits of voice. I find that looking for a human in any given vocaloid voice is misguided, and instead the nuances of vocaloid as an instrument should be emphasized.Well, this is a cute thread. I remember my high school hipster phase...someone needs to find me that BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION Filthy Frank video. Seriously kids, life is more fun when you try to enjoy more things and dislike fewer things. I tend to believe that people who claimed to dislike Vocaloid haven't really given it a fair chance...Vocaloid encompasses a lot of different genres and styles, so it's not just cutesy pop stuff. There's a lot of Vocaloid jazz and EDM that is pretty mature, with none of the squeaky "robotic" sounding voices most people complain about. Also, if the only Vocaloid you've listened to is Miku then you really can't judge the whole of Vocaloid music... As for music I personally don't get, I've never really been into American rap music. I guess it's because I don't really care for the kind of lifestyle a lot of rap artists promote. But rap in general is okay, and I tend to enjoy it more when I can't understand what they're saying. For the most part I'm pretty open to all types of music though. I always like finding new stuff to get into so I never completely write off any genre of music. |
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tsunamaru said: Well, this is a cute thread. I remember my high school hipster phase...someone needs to find me that BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION Filthy Frank video. Seriously kids, life is more fun when you try to enjoy more things and dislike fewer things. I tend to believe that people who claimed to dislike Vocaloid haven't really given it a fair chance...Vocaloid encompasses a lot of different genres and styles, so it's not just cutesy pop stuff. There's a lot of Vocaloid jazz and EDM that is pretty mature, with none of the squeaky "robotic" sounding voices most people complain about. Also, if the only Vocaloid you've listened to is Miku then you really can't judge the whole of Vocaloid music... As for music I personally don't get, I've never really been into American rap music. I guess it's because I don't really care for the kind of lifestyle a lot of rap artists promote. But rap in general is okay, and I tend to enjoy it more when I can't understand what they're saying. For the most part I'm pretty open to all types of music though. I always like finding new stuff to get into so I never completely write off any genre of music. I wasn't born in the wrong generation. With this generation I have access to all the good stuff from the older generation. |
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Deserada said: tsunamaru said: The value in vocaloid productions, to me, is in the ability to probe the absolute limits of voice. I find that looking for a human in any given vocaloid voice is misguided, and instead the nuances of vocaloid as an instrument should be emphasized.Well, this is a cute thread. I remember my high school hipster phase...someone needs to find me that BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION Filthy Frank video. Seriously kids, life is more fun when you try to enjoy more things and dislike fewer things. I tend to believe that people who claimed to dislike Vocaloid haven't really given it a fair chance...Vocaloid encompasses a lot of different genres and styles, so it's not just cutesy pop stuff. There's a lot of Vocaloid jazz and EDM that is pretty mature, with none of the squeaky "robotic" sounding voices most people complain about. Also, if the only Vocaloid you've listened to is Miku then you really can't judge the whole of Vocaloid music... As for music I personally don't get, I've never really been into American rap music. I guess it's because I don't really care for the kind of lifestyle a lot of rap artists promote. But rap in general is okay, and I tend to enjoy it more when I can't understand what they're saying. For the most part I'm pretty open to all types of music though. I always like finding new stuff to get into so I never completely write off any genre of music. I just don't see the charm in vocaloids over real music artists but that's just me. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: Vocaloid music is produced by regular musicians, the only difference is that the vocals are synthesized/programmed by said musician. One of my pet peeves is how commonly people credit the vocaloid software before the artist (if they mention the artist at all); it's like crediting a sequencer or a guitar.Deserada said: The value in vocaloid productions, to me, is in the ability to probe the absolute limits of voice. I find that looking for a human in any given vocaloid voice is misguided, and instead the nuances of vocaloid as an instrument should be emphasized. I just don't see the charm in vocaloids over real music artists but that's just me. If you would like, I could recommend something for you. I've been listening to vocaloid music since 2008, and not much has been released without my noticing it. |
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Waifu_Strangler said: tsunamaru said: Well, this is a cute thread. I remember my high school hipster phase...someone needs to find me that BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION Filthy Frank video. Seriously kids, life is more fun when you try to enjoy more things and dislike fewer things. I tend to believe that people who claimed to dislike Vocaloid haven't really given it a fair chance...Vocaloid encompasses a lot of different genres and styles, so it's not just cutesy pop stuff. There's a lot of Vocaloid jazz and EDM that is pretty mature, with none of the squeaky "robotic" sounding voices most people complain about. Also, if the only Vocaloid you've listened to is Miku then you really can't judge the whole of Vocaloid music... As for music I personally don't get, I've never really been into American rap music. I guess it's because I don't really care for the kind of lifestyle a lot of rap artists promote. But rap in general is okay, and I tend to enjoy it more when I can't understand what they're saying. For the most part I'm pretty open to all types of music though. I always like finding new stuff to get into so I never completely write off any genre of music. I wasn't born in the wrong generation. With this generation I have access to all the good stuff from the older generation. You make a good point. We have the internet to research all the old music we want, even the most obscure. If we were in the 1960s, we would be limited to the radio, the records we could afford to buy, the records at a friends place, and perhaps at bars, dance halls, and stores. All of a sudden, the present doesn't seem so bad anymore. |
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Deserada said: Waifu_Strangler said: Vocaloid music is produced by regular musicians, the only difference is that the vocals are synthesized/programmed by said musician. One of my pet peeves is how commonly people credit the vocaloid software before the artist (if they mention the artist at all); it's like crediting a sequencer or a guitar.I just don't see the charm in vocaloids over real music artists but that's just me. If you would like, I could recommend something for you. I've been listening to vocaloid music since 2008, and not much has been released without my noticing it. I didn't really mean I hate vocaloid music that Nyan cat song is quite catchy I just don't see any of it being up to par with stuff like Throbbing Gristle, Magma, Les Ralizes Denudes, The Residents, Brian Eno, or my favorite band Can. |
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Working_Designs said: Waifu_Strangler said: I wasn't born in the wrong generation. With this generation I have access to all the good stuff from the older generation. You make a good point. We have the internet to research all the old music we want, even the most obscure. If we were in the 1960s, we would be limited to the radio, the records we could afford to buy, the records at a friends place, and perhaps at bars, dance halls, and stores. All of a sudden, the present doesn't seem so bad anymore. Also tbh I feel life would be much more bland without shitty modern music to hate lol. Seriously though being a fan of obscure stuff God bless the internet! |
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Deserada said: tsunamaru said: The value in vocaloid productions, to me, is in the ability to probe the absolute limits of voice. I find that looking for a human in any given vocaloid voice is misguided, and instead the nuances of vocaloid as an instrument should be emphasized.Well, this is a cute thread. I remember my high school hipster phase...someone needs to find me that BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION Filthy Frank video. Seriously kids, life is more fun when you try to enjoy more things and dislike fewer things. I tend to believe that people who claimed to dislike Vocaloid haven't really given it a fair chance...Vocaloid encompasses a lot of different genres and styles, so it's not just cutesy pop stuff. There's a lot of Vocaloid jazz and EDM that is pretty mature, with none of the squeaky "robotic" sounding voices most people complain about. Also, if the only Vocaloid you've listened to is Miku then you really can't judge the whole of Vocaloid music... As for music I personally don't get, I've never really been into American rap music. I guess it's because I don't really care for the kind of lifestyle a lot of rap artists promote. But rap in general is okay, and I tend to enjoy it more when I can't understand what they're saying. For the most part I'm pretty open to all types of music though. I always like finding new stuff to get into so I never completely write off any genre of music. How about letting ordinary people create their own songs? Or make covers of songs? I think a great deal of people are very much into vocal music and want to make their own songs but feel like they can't sing for life, and so vocaloids are quite useful in these situations. And tbh, it's not so much looking for a human in a vocaloid voice, it's treating a vocaloid as it's own character. Which kind of make sense since many vocaloids have a character design and given age and gender. |
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| Radiohead is a very important band for me. I got into them during those difficult teen years, when I was just starting to really explore music, so it was good timing. Ever since first hearing it in '98, OKC remains my favorite album, so I have a hard time understanding a lot of the hate. I wonder how much of it is backlash towards their popularity or the admittedly sometimes obnoxious fanbase. This can be discouraging, as a fan. Which reminds me, Pink Floyd, who they are often compared to, is probably the biggest artist I don't quite get (and I've been criticized for this, doubly so as a Radiohead fan). Animals is great, PatGoD and Meddle are very good, however I don't care for their best known albums: DSotM is average, WYWH and The Wall are mediocre. The production is gimmicky, the vaunted atmosphere falls flat for me more often then not, resulting in overlong and dull stretches, and with the exception of Animals and a few other tracks, I dislike the guitar playing, which usually comes across as wankery to my ears. I'm just not all that impressed with them, in general. |
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SchnickelFritz said: Radiohead is a very important band for me. I got into them during those difficult teen years, when I was just starting to really explore music, so it was good timing. Ever since first hearing it in '98, OKC remains my favorite album, so I have a hard time understanding a lot of the hate. I wonder how much of it is backlash towards their popularity or the admittedly sometimes obnoxious fanbase. This can be discouraging, as a fan. Which reminds me, Pink Floyd, who they are often compared to, is probably the biggest artist I don't quite get (and I've been criticized for this, doubly so as a Radiohead fan). Animals is great, PatGoD and Meddle are very good, however I don't care for their best known albums: DSotM is average, WYWH and The Wall are mediocre. The production is gimmicky, the vaunted atmosphere falls flat for me more often then not, resulting in overlong and dull stretches, and with the exception of Animals and a few other tracks, I dislike the guitar playing, which usually comes across as wankery to my ears. I'm just not all that impressed with them, in general. Well I feel the exact opposite. I'm not as huge a Pink Floyd fan as I used to be but their concepts and Ideas remain so much more unique and interesting than Radiohead who just seems like an alt pop group trying to play watered down Krautrock or at least that's how I feel about Kid A the one album I managed to stomach. They're just so damn forgettable to me. Their musical ideas I don't see as anything new. I don't see this emotional and deep side of the band they don't come off as anymore relatable than any other group who's whining about how much their life sucks and I suffer from depression so I know how it feels to bitch about life not being great enough. Simply put theirs no reason I can find to praise the group. They just aren't interesting and their songs are unbelievably forgettable. I don't see why fans are so hateful to people who don't like Radiohead. Can, Brian Eno, Magma, The Residents, and Throbbing Gristle are artists who actually broke ground and did new things and brought new ideas and concepts to music yet they don't have nearly as rabid of fan bases. |
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| I'm not hateful, just feel a bit sad and discouraged, as I said, and it's only exacerbated because of the added attention, thus backlash, their popularity brings. Oh well, what can ya do.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Again, I don't really understand your criticisms, I feel quite the opposite about them, obviously, but I shouldn't feel like I need to make excuses for liking what I do, though. Silly me. Innovation and the like is nice, and sure it can add to one's appreciation, but honestly, I don't give a toss as long as I can dig the music itself. This used to be so important to me, but now I mostly care about enjoyment (my 20 year old self would be rolling his eyes right now, heh). |
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Waifu_Strangler said: daintybiscuit said: just don't go around calling people hipsters. i'm a music lover, not a hipster. its really not fair to throw that label around. as if only one kind of person likes them. I didn't mean to but be sure I've been called a hipster plenty. Much of what I listen to is far less accessible than Radiohead. i have absolutely zero reason to pick a fight with you so i hope you don't see it as such. Listening to less "accessible" music doesn't not make you a special person it makes you someone who t listens to less accessible music. its actually objective. its simple a fact. "i do this", "i do that" |
daintybiscuit said: Waifu_Strangler said: I didn't mean to but be sure I've been called a hipster plenty. Much of what I listen to is far less accessible than Radiohead. i have absolutely zero reason to pick a fight with you so i hope you don't see it as such. Listening to less "accessible" music doesn't not make you a special person it makes you someone who t listens to less accessible music. its actually objective. its simple a fact. "i do this", "i do that" I meant that it makes me get called a hipster a lot >.> |
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-shotz said: gizter13 said: i probably like more punk from the 90s-00s than the 70s and 80s. i still like a lot of those older bands, there's just more variety now.also dont like those early punk bands like the Sex Pistols, the Clash and Ramones. i can understand people respecting them for what they did back then, but theres so many better punk bands out there. yeah, for me its mostly 80's and 90's though, but still lots of kickass bands forming these days. mostly into crust myself, which the 90's did a great job at. |
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-shotz said: gizter13 said: for sure, most crust bands don't really do it for me but i really like antischism, nausea, bumbklaatyeah, for me its mostly 80's and 90's though, but still lots of kickass bands forming these days. mostly into crust myself, which the 90's did a great job at. dont know Bumbklaat. will check em. love antischism's Who's The Enemy, if you like them you might like Anti Product and Contravene aswell. i am a massive sucker for these doom/sludge influenced bands, Dystopia is the most known example of that. Carol Ann, Misanthropic, Corpus Vile and stuff like that is my favorite music, whats the kinda punk you prefer then? |
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