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mwsmws22 said:  Black lilies means "Love", "Curse", sometimes it also symbolizes "Death". |
juventus95 said: Homophobia is complex. I think you're just looking at it from 'black' and 'white' point of view. There are gay people with internalized homophobia. Gay people were taught and told many times that heterosexuality is the only right way, and their love is sinful. Not all of them buy into that, but some feel ashamed, some experience mental distress, etc. There are some who deny their sexual orientation, try to confirm to society. They even go as far to discriminate against other gays and want gays purged (except themselves). Not too long ago, people found out several homophobic politicians have gay lovers. Karol is that type of person. She dresses differently compared to others, but she's so eager to join the Invisible Storm and conform to the majority. And she has some kind of intimacy with another girl in a secluded room. I believe nobody in the school really thinks she's gay since she's so against it. Hmm, You are right of course. It's possible she is a case of one who has no shame in her own homosexual acts but still acts out against others. Though that would just make her a hypocritical bitch. Those kinds of people do exist though. Honestly I think this would just be solved if they fleshed out her character better, they make the bullies appear to be so 1-dimensional. Still, that doesn't really answer my point, being why they considered Kureha evil before she even did anything the least bit homosexual. Unless helping someone find a hairpin is considered homosexual now. Different from the norm? Yes, that was portrayed. Homosexual? No. As I said too, I don't think Sumika and Kureha were even lovers, as Sumika said in the letter, "The person standing in front of you is your new friend.", they were just friends sharing a similar hobby that was looked down upon by the Invisible Storm, like how bullies look down on groups of outcasts who are into things they view as stupid or worthless(hence why they call Kureha's love(Flowerbed) worthless and superficial. At the beginning of the first episode, Kureha and Sumika stated that they could be alone and experience their love together in privacy. To me, after this episode, that is them saying, "It's okay, the bullies are elsewhere, we can do what we like now", that being taking care of the flower bed. |
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CookingPriest said: scruffykiwi said: The invisible storm is NOTHING to do with homophobia and this episode pretty much confirms it. Kureha was up for being the one excluded from the group long before there was any relationship between her and Sumika. Her 'crime' as observed by the group was not to ignore Sumika and instead help her, ie to 'stand out from the crowd'. So in short it was forming a relationship with Sumika. Yes it is about homophobia, this episode proves it. THey suspected her as "gay" and they bullied her for that and for not backing down on her love and becoming invisible(dove/straight) You have a problem with that? The problem I have with this being all about homophobia is not that I don't think homophobia is a problem (it is especially in Japan), but just that there is no evidence for this in the show. The Invisible storm seems to pick on people simply because they stand out, they 'cannot read the mood' as is often repeated in their selection scenes. All Kureha did was go to the aid of a girl she did not know unlike all the others who were simply watching because they 'didn't want to get involved' with someone doing something slightly out of the norm. Japan in particular has a very strong social contract and THAT is what I think this show is all about. Making it about homophobia makes it much smaller. |
scruffykiwiFeb 9, 2015 7:29 PM
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| And the mirror thing could be simple symbolism for risking your own image for the sake of your love. Kinda like Sumika did to try to protect Kureha on the evil-search by targetting herself: |
| Kureha seems prepared to warm up to Ginko. I like where this is going. |
| Ah, I liked this episode! The visuals for the story of The Moon Girl and the Forest Girls were just lovely. I think the end of that story really reinforced the idea of bringing harm onto yourself just for the sake of love. I think its pretty indisputable that Moon Girl=Kureha and Forest Girl=Ginko. One thing that really interested me about the story was Kumalia. Kumalia's the meteorite that caused all the bears to eat people, no? In that version of Kumalia, it could only affect the bears, but in this version of Kumalia, she had authority over both humans and bears. Additionally, this version of Kumalia seems to have made, or at least upholds the wall of severance, while in what we know to be reality, it is humanity that keeps up the wall of severance. I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this, but perhaps this means the wall of severance is more than just a human construction? Perhaps it will be revealed the bears had a part in making it as well, or perhaps some greater force, even! I'm still not sure about any of that, but just some food for thought. I wonder who this lover of whats-her-face the mean girl is. I know many other people have mentioned this before, but it still interests me that every single female we've seen in this show seems to be a lesbian. Makes me think this show's primary concern isn't lesbian acceptance, as everyone, pure hero or villain, is a lesbian. Also, the subs I use finally translated the OP and ED! Love the lyrics. They're very fairy-tailish, and romantic. Perfectly befitting to the show itself. |
| So...a lot of stuff got teased/revealed this episode. We know that Kureha's mom is now even MORE involved in the story. With her little children's book being a metaphor for Kureha's current situation, while also basically being her mother's documented history in book form. We also know that in the past, it was most likely Kureha's mom as the moon girl, and the headmistress/principal lady was the forest girl (bear). She's also probably the one pulling the strings, and it also looked like her body was the naked body talking with Kaoru. Further proof that it's Yurika, is because the only person who could know that Ginko is a bear, is someone who knows about Kureha's mom and her pendant, being worn by Ginko. This also raises a bunch of questions now. Since Ginko has the pendant...how did she get it? In the story, Kureha's mom drops the pendant and it's picked up by the bear. Now, before the bear is able to break the wall and give the pendant back, Kureha's mom is eaten by a bear and the story ends. We also know that in the picture of Kureha and her mom, (with her mom wearing the pendant) the full picture actually has Ginko in it. So Ginko met them before her mom died. Actually, Ginko met them BEFORE mom lost her pendant. So...who was the bear that Kureha's mom was trying to have a promised kiss with? Was it the principal? Or was it another bear, and the principal ate mom? Was Ginko a criminal bear before she crossed the wall because she witnessed Kureha's mom being eaten and just watched; just like she's a criminal bear for watching Sumiko? Did someone leave the pendant with the body? Did Ginko steal it? The bear who picked up the pendant when Kureha's mom dropped it couldn't have been Ginko, because she was still a child then, which is why she loves Kureha. If headmaster Yurika is the one pulling the strings...why? If she didn't kill Kureha's mom, and is genuinely upset that she lost her chance to love the mom, then why would she go out of her way to absolutely destroy Kureha? What is her true objective? Also who is this Kumalia goddess? It seems like she was a real entity during Kureha's mothers time. Did she die when planet Kumalia blew up? Because now it seems like Life Sexy and the other bears were repeating a lot of what the goddess said in the book. So perhaps the Life Bears and the Yuri Court took the place of the Kumalia goddess? Still definitely more questions than answers so far. |
| I wonder how Sumika knew Ginko and Lulu would be Kureha's friends? Could she be Kamilia-sama?? The one that brought the Moon girl and Forest girl together in the book? Those girls from the Invisible storm will never understand Kureha and Ginko's love. Poor Flowerbed TwT |
| I've given up on understanding the meaning/symbolism. The one thing I'm reasonably sure Ikuhara intends with this show is for us to only understand what it was about in retrospect, after it's over (or possibly during the last episode if he's feeling generous). It's probably going to be more fun this way; just relax, enjoy the ride, and then once it's finished and we had our “aha” moment, rewatch. mwsmws22 said: But if we're getting to that level of visual metaphor, this is not the place where humans and bears meet — it's where they part. Or maybe even where you decide which one you are. |
| I am more and more confused about everything... ...maybe lily flower, bear, storm are symbols of different ideal, different way to handle things, so you might play the role of a human in certain situation, but can also play the role of a bear in another situation/occasion, And you might be a victim of the "transparent storm", but also a creater of the storm, in different situation... |
| I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was Yurizono who told Kaoru that Ginko and Lulu are bears. It might be her. It might be the principal. It might be someone else entirely, who we're not expecting. Yangbojian said: I am more and more confused about everything... ...maybe lily flower, bear, storm are symbols of different ideal, different way to handle things, so you might play the role of a human in certain situation, but can also play the role of a bear in another situation/occasion, And you might be a victim of the "transparent storm", but also a creater of the storm, in different situation... I'm inclined to agree with this. The show has shown a number of examples of dealing with societal expectations and roles, as well as the malleability of how we can present ourselves and of how that affects how we're perceived by others. Keten said: Also, I am not even sure Kureha and Sumika were even in a relationship like that in the first place Umm... Not to mention all the food-metaphor talk in the first episode. juventus95 said: Homophobia is complex. I think you're just looking at it from 'black' and 'white' point of view. There are gay people with internalized homophobia. Gay people were taught and told many times that heterosexuality is the only right way, and their love is sinful. Not all of them buy into that, but some feel ashamed, some experience mental distress, etc. There are some who deny their sexual orientation, try to confirm to society. They even go as far to discriminate against other gays and want gays purged (except themselves). Not too long ago, people found out several homophobic politicians have gay lovers. Karol is that type of person. She dresses differently compared to others, but she's so eager to join the Invisible Storm and conform to the majority. And she has some kind of intimacy with another girl in a secluded room. I believe nobody in the school really thinks she's gay since she's so against it. Yes, thank you so much! This, this, this! At this point I'm honestly not really sure where I stand on how much I think the show is or isn't about homophobia (at least in part), but I couldn't agree more with your "people are complex" point. A lot of the talk in this thread seems like it doesn't recognize the complexity inherent in people being people and is painting all sorts of things in broad, simplistic strokes. AnimeFan500 said: I wonder how Sumika knew Ginko and Lulu would be Kureha's friends? I don't think she did. I think the actual intent of the letter was that Kaoru would be the one standing in front of Kureha when she read it, which fits with the bargain that Sumika and Kaoru had arranged between themselves. It was just that, given what Ginko had just done for her, Kureha looked at Ginko and Lulu in a new light, making Sumika's words in the letter take on a different meaning than what Sumika expected or intended. @Takuan_Soho: I responded to a number of your comments, and it got kinda long, so for the sake of organization and trying to limit clutter in the thread, I spoiler-tagged what I quoted from you and my responses: |
CookingPriest said: So as thought the Invisible Storm represents the herd mentality of society perceiving Class-S relationships of homosexuality as "special friendship" that you grow out of, while actual bonafide homosexual love is harassed and bullied against. I am guessing the teacher is the person whose face was not shown and she is manipulating the invisible storm group to hide her own preferences(and most likely killed Kureha's mother to hide her own preferences). Also this confirms the idea of Sumika being part of the invisible girls but at the same time someone who wanted to come out but got peer pressured into conforming thus dying. The tale told also was interesting. Still did not fully wrap my head around it. I get those symbolisms but what do the presence of the Bears and The wall symbolize? |
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Sejin said: Umm... Not to mention all the food-metaphor talk in the first episode. What does that prove? They were naked in a bed together looking at a picture book. Yes, in our world that's considered sexual and homoerotic but the world of Yuri Kuma Arashi is quite clearly very different. There is a blurred line between Friend and Lover in the world of the show. Look how Lulu acts towards Ginko. Lulu clearly established that she is Ginko's friend and only follows her because she wants Ginko to fulfill her goal in her place, yet she constantly asks her if she wants to nibble on her, rubs her face against her ass and showers with her and stuff. They never show Sumika and Kureha kiss or have implied sex like they did with the Invisible Storm leader and the mystery woman. Also, I want to point out that Ginko licked Kureha's cheek and she pretty much acted as if it was a somewhat normal thing to do. Even when Ginko knocked her onto her back and was from our perspective, seducing her, Kureha acted as if what was happening to her was completely fine. If she was truly in legitimate LOVE with Sumika, shouldn't Ginko's advances make her much more uncomfortable and angry? My guess is that the reason Friend and Lover are so interchangeable in this show is because Ikuhara wanted to get across that True Love is when you love someone for who they are and not who they pretend to be and that True Love can be applied to lovers, friends and family the same way(Hence showing Lulu's backdrop with her brother, Sumika and Kureha's friendship and the lovers of the Leader and the Mystery woman). To be Invisible is to give up on love, to change yourself to fit in with the crowd. Your friendships are not genuine, they are fake. Thus metaphorically speaking, you are alone. To be true to yourself and not give up on love means any friends you do get would be true friends, thus you are not alone. At least I think that's what he's trying to get across. This is what I am getting from the show anyway and I think it's rather interesting. |
abyss333 said: CookingPriest said: So as thought the Invisible Storm represents the herd mentality of society perceiving Class-S relationships of homosexuality as "special friendship" that you grow out of, while actual bonafide homosexual love is harassed and bullied against. I am guessing the teacher is the person whose face was not shown and she is manipulating the invisible storm group to hide her own preferences(and most likely killed Kureha's mother to hide her own preferences). Also this confirms the idea of Sumika being part of the invisible girls but at the same time someone who wanted to come out but got peer pressured into conforming thus dying. The tale told also was interesting. Still did not fully wrap my head around it. I get those symbolisms but what do the presence of the Bears and The wall symbolize? Wall is separation between repression of self(conform to society's rules, sexual preferences, societal norms, etc) and freedom of self(you want something you do it, you love someone you seek them out, you hate someone you attack them, etc), essentially two polar extremes of human self. Bears in that extent would be unrepresented expression of self, be it negative or positive aspects of it. A lot of people think that it represents Kureha's own struggle in perceiving the world and is the result of the traumatic experience she suffered regarding her mother's death. That is supported by the symbolis surrounding Kureha's house and the fact that the world lore seems to coincide with story Kureha's mother was writing. |
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| it's more than obvious that ginko ate kureha's mom how else could she have that pendant?, and not only that but she even watched quietly while kureha's friend was being eaten, if kureha finds out.....she'll shoot ginko without thinking it twice -_- |
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SoonaxUchiha02 said: it's more than obvious that ginko ate kureha's mom how else could she have that pendant?, and not only that but she even watched quietly while kureha's friend was being eaten, if kureha finds out.....she'll shoot ginko without thinking it twice -_- There are TWO pendants. One is in the music box. But yes she would be rightly pissed if she knew that Ginko did nothing to prevent her lovers death. |
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| That was a good episode. I thought the class was going to burn her alive for a minute. Scary. |
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SoonaxUchiha02 said: it's more than obvious that ginko ate kureha's mom how else could she have that pendant?, and not only that but she even watched quietly while kureha's friend was being eaten, if kureha finds out.....she'll shoot ginko without thinking it twice -_- Its more likely that Ginko did not prevent the mother's death, just like Sumika's. That would fit the pattern of repetition. juventus95 said: I still have some faith in Ginko despite what's been shown in the last scene. Ginko said to Lulu she was a criminal bear before they crossed the wall, so maybe she wanted to save Sumika but she was late? If Ginko actually let Sumika die, then Ginko's and Kureha's relationship may turn out to be something like "I'm gonna love you until you hate me." :D The scene with Ginko happened way before Sumika's death. I am thinking she was referring to not preventing the Kureha mother's death. Which would mean that she would know WHO killed her. And if it is the principal and she saw Ginko then, she WOULD know she is a bear, so it would explain how garter-girl knew Ginko is a bear too(if the principal is the one she is secretly sleeping with). As for whole "I want you for myself" - i am beginning to think a lot of that is Ginko's self-loathing from not preventing those two deaths. |
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| Wow, this was millions times better than episode 5. It ended way too fast. I'm excited for next episode. Things are starting to clear up! |
Uh, yeah.. We were just reading . . .. . .Yeah, right... So, are Kureha and Sumika friends or lovers? .Here are some relevant scenes: Under the blanket together, in front of the fireplace: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/anico_bin/imgs/a/5/a531cf6f.jpg Together on the bed, feet sticking out of comforter: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/anico_bin/imgs/e/4/e4bdeba8.jpg Together on the bed, reading the story book together: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/anico_bin/imgs/f/8/f8420335.jpg Even before the series first aired, there was background information about each character posted on the official website. Probably many of you would prefer not to know all of these things, but instead figure them out on your own. However, what it says is . . . I believe that, in the entire history of "Central-element Yuri" broadcast TV anime series, there is no previous case when two sympathetically-presented main characters ever got past first base. "Bad girls" might be seen doing "bad things". A "bad girl" might be seen doing "bad things" to a "good girl". There might be some background characters doing some stuff. I am ruling out OVAs and so on that weren't actually broadcast on TV. Given that Ikuhara surely knows this, there is no way that Kureha and Sumika actually "did it". Right? They are both good girls. We fell in love with both of them in Episode 1 because of their purity. I mean, there's no way. Right? - - - - - - - - You can't see her wearing her iPhone earphones under that white bonnet, but Kureha tweeted that the OP extended version (length = 04:25) is now available for download on iTunes for only 250 Yen. (Sorry, but I couldn't find a webpage written in English, and I have never downloaded iTunes songs myself before.) https://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/tvanime-yuri-xiong-lan-opuningutema/id961500551 Or else you can wait for Feb 25th when the same song goes on sale as a CD, along with three other tracks, such as the no-vocal version of the extended OP. It looks like you can order it on this English-language webpage here. Ordering outside of Japan should not be a problem, since I purchased from them recently. http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00QPIMT96/axive-22 |
| Hmm, perhaps they are a couple then. Thing is, I have difficulty catching on to it because of how personal space is treated in this world. Like I said, Ginko puts Kureha on her back and licks her face yet Kureha seemed perfectly okay with it despite being so against her even entering her house before. Also, they use the word "Friend" a bit too often as well. They could just mean they are both friends AND lovers though. It doesn't help when they use love in relation to the flowerbed as well so I assumed when Kureha and Sumika say they love each other, it implied a true connection through their love, that being the flowerbed, Kureha's personal hobby that made her different from everyone else, thus Sumika liked her for her, not for who she was pretending to be, a true friendship. The world is already so over the top and weird with everything it does that it's hard to differentiate between when they are saying something in a metaphorical sense and a literal sense. Of course, them being in love works too in this sense but I thought the line of friend and lover was purposely blurred to imply that it doesn't matter if you are a friend or a lover, if you don't like each other for who they are, then it's not legitimate. Hence why the Invisible Storm don't experience true love because they only like those who join the crowd and aren't true to themselves. I still stand by my Invisible Storm interpretation though. I don't think it has to do with Homophobia per say and more so just bullies picking on those who are different. I could be wrong though and I need more fleshing out on the Invisible Storm before I can confirm. |
KetenFeb 11, 2015 7:36 AM
Keten said: Hmm, perhaps they are a couple then. Thing is, I have difficulty catching on to it because of how personal space is treated in this world. Like I said, Ginko puts Kureha on her back and licks her face yet Kureha seemed perfectly okay with it despite being so against her even entering her house before. Also, they use the word "Friend" a bit too often as well. They could just mean they are both friends AND lovers though. face licking was Ginko's delusion. Kureha pretty much backed the fuck away when that happened in reality. It doesn't help when they use love in relation to the flowerbed as well so I assumed when Kureha and Sumika say they love each other, it implied a true connection through their love, that being the flowerbed, Kureha's personal hobby that made her different from everyone else, thus Sumika liked her for her, not for who she was pretending to be, a true friendship. The world is already so over the top and weird with everything it does that it's hard to differentiate between when they are saying something in a metaphorical sense and a literal sense. Flower bed is representation of the sexuality. The fact that it is lillies(jp: Yuri) says it all. I still stand by my Invisible Storm interpretation though. I don't think it has to do with Homophobia per say and more so just bullies picking on those who are different. I could be wrong though and I need more fleshing out on the Invisible Storm before I can confirm. homosexuality IS different so they ARE being homophobic. It is just not all they are bullying. |
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CookingPriest said: Kureha pretty much backed the fuck away when that happened in reality. Wait... what? So that never happened? But then the one girl knocked on the door and they had that showdown and Ginko and Lulu jumped out the window and in a later episode it showed that the window was indeed broken. How do you know that was all in her head? Flower bed is representation of the sexuality. The fact that it is lillies(jp: Yuri) says it all. Hmm, I suppose I can see that. Then with them trying to protect the flowerbed, it would be them trying to protect their own sexuality. homosexuality IS different so they ARE being homophobic. It is just not all they are bullying. How is it different? The only males in this show are bears. Doesn't that mean there cannot possibly be straight couples within the walls? So you are either a lesbian or completely asexual? I dunno, this part still confuses me. |
Keten said: CookingPriest said: Kureha pretty much backed the fuck away when that happened in reality. Wait... what? So that never happened? But then the one girl knocked on the door and they had that showdown and Ginko and Lulu jumped out the window and in a later episode it showed that the window was indeed broken. How do you know that was all in her head? Flower bed is representation of the sexuality. The fact that it is lillies(jp: Yuri) says it all. Hmm, I suppose I can see that. Then with them trying to protect the flowerbed, it would be them trying to protect their own sexuality. homosexuality IS different so they ARE being homophobic. It is just not all they are bullying. How is it different? The only males in this show are bears. Doesn't that mean there cannot possibly be straight couples within the walls? So you are either a lesbian or completely asexual? I dunno, this part still confuses me. I thought you were talking about this episode. My bad. That case I'd write off to shock - note that even after they run off Kureha is still standing there trying to comprehend wtf. Which would explain why the IS is there to prevent the lilies from growing and blooming. I take the school as "reprogramming" facility. There's visual representation of lilies turning into doves behind the principal in the talk scene few episodes back and principal, associated with dove imagery is clearly manipulating/controlling the invisible storm. The way I see it, the school is the place where visible girls go to become invisible. Which fits with preconceived perception of yuri and class s In japan I talked about in ep threads few weeks back. |
AhenshihaelFeb 11, 2015 11:30 AM
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CookingPriest said: I take the school as "reprogramming" facility. Not gonna lie. That just completely changed my outlook on the show completely. That was the final puzzle piece I needed. Thank you for that. |
| This just gets deeper and deeper. Very good ep. I am still trying to grasp the point of the story the mom wrote. Does it apply to her and the teacher, to Kureha and Ginko? I guess I have to wait. |
| Another great episode. :) I really agree with Keten though, the "bad guys" are much too one-dimensional... I want them or just Kaoru to be more fleshed out. But as it is right now, it seems like Kaoru is just a puppet of some higher power. It would be way too obvious if the main antagonist (assuming it is the one who slept with Kaoru) is Yuriika though, I hope it's not where this will go and we will get a shock at the end. xD I also think that Kaoru is just a hypocrite, just like everyone else in the Invisible Storm. By the way, you know of what this episode reminded me? Of the witch-hunt, which was also a theme picked up in Utena. A mass of people with candles ("torches") burning the lily garden to create a stake-like place... I think that's a fitting parallel. Just like the women in medieval times (or even before), everyone who differs from the norm is basically labelled as a "witch" and everyone who is less accepting of "groupthink" is blamed for problems unrelated to them... so they are hunted down by the population and later burned to death on a stake. |
PabilsagFeb 11, 2015 5:52 PM
Sejin said: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was Yurizono who told Kaoru that Ginko and Lulu are bears. It might be her. It might be the principal. It might be someone else entirely, who we're not expecting. Yangbojian said: I am more and more confused about everything... ...maybe lily flower, bear, storm are symbols of different ideal, different way to handle things, so you might play the role of a human in certain situation, but can also play the role of a bear in another situation/occasion, And you might be a victim of the "transparent storm", but also a creater of the storm, in different situation... I'm inclined to agree with this. The show has shown a number of examples of dealing with societal expectations and roles, as well as the malleability of how we can present ourselves and of how that affects how we're perceived by others. Keten said: Also, I am not even sure Kureha and Sumika were even in a relationship like that in the first place Umm... Not to mention all the food-metaphor talk in the first episode. juventus95 said: Homophobia is complex. I think you're just looking at it from 'black' and 'white' point of view. There are gay people with internalized homophobia. Gay people were taught and told many times that heterosexuality is the only right way, and their love is sinful. Not all of them buy into that, but some feel ashamed, some experience mental distress, etc. There are some who deny their sexual orientation, try to confirm to society. They even go as far to discriminate against other gays and want gays purged (except themselves). Not too long ago, people found out several homophobic politicians have gay lovers. Karol is that type of person. She dresses differently compared to others, but she's so eager to join the Invisible Storm and conform to the majority. And she has some kind of intimacy with another girl in a secluded room. I believe nobody in the school really thinks she's gay since she's so against it. Yes, thank you so much! This, this, this! At this point I'm honestly not really sure where I stand on how much I think the show is or isn't about homophobia (at least in part), but I couldn't agree more with your "people are complex" point. A lot of the talk in this thread seems like it doesn't recognize the complexity inherent in people being people and is painting all sorts of things in broad, simplistic strokes. AnimeFan500 said: I wonder how Sumika knew Ginko and Lulu would be Kureha's friends? I don't think she did. I think the actual intent of the letter was that Kaoru would be the one standing in front of Kureha when she read it, which fits with the bargain that Sumika and Kaoru had arranged between themselves. It was just that, given what Ginko had just done for her, Kureha looked at Ginko and Lulu in a new light, making Sumika's words in the letter take on a different meaning than what Sumika expected or intended. @Takuan_Soho: I responded to a number of your comments, and it got kinda long, so for the sake of organization and trying to limit clutter in the thread, I spoiler-tagged what I quoted from you and my responses: Kaoru and all dem other invisible bitches can get tenta-raped to death for all I care, fuckin bitches. I was hella scared for Kureha and ya Group-think hella scary seeing how dem other bitches thought that shit they did at the flower bed on Kureha's birthday was ok to do. If they actually thought for themselves maybe they could see there was something HELLA wrong with that fuckin picture. I'm starting to like Ginko more and more........also has anybody in that world ever thought of going to the Kuma world and just decide to live there instead? How can one be straight in a world devoid completely of men anyway? So basically the invisible bitches as long as they stay in the closet and in appearance be asexual as one person has mentioned due to sans the bear-judges no men exist in this world then they koo with society even when they put up this whole front that it's not only wrong but immoral.(A bunch of fucking hypocritical thirsty-ass bitches). Seriously, why can't all of them just have a massive endless orgy regardless if they are bear or human cuz it's a given that they all hella horny af.) Also has anybody ever mentioned the possibility of some girls being futa? I mean that would at least take care of the fact on how exactly are they able to reproduce and shit. Oh and one last thing, if its normal for two chicks to cuddle wth each other in the nude while reading a book or forcing yourself on a chick and don't even bat an eyelash, I guess in this world it would also be aight if chicks also just show up to school naked and no one will think nothing of it. Real talk tho, dem invisible bitches hella fucked up, are hypocrites, and dgaf about being true to themselves as long as they get to "fit in".....fake-ass, shady-ass, weak-ass bitches each and every one of em, the shit that comes out of em is more genuine and true than they'll ever fuckin be. |
1L0can0Feb 12, 2015 4:15 AM
Korrvo said: I like lolis. I don't like them sexually. It's hard to not like lolis, their cuteness pander to the same emotions that naturally makes us fathers. But it's hard to get off to anything that doesn't have any adult women characteristics like large tits, ass, and thighs. http://imgur.com/qgjKHGn |
| I don't intend to get involved in the indepth discussion this time around. However, as intelligent yet bizarre as this show has been, i'm definitely glad that it's becoming more intelligible in it's analogies, and that the plot seems to be moving in a positive direction. Because it was getting pretty dark despite the sexiness. I'm anxious to see where this will all end up. I'm finally watching it for content instead of as that show of the season that's just crazy. |
❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| Episode that keeps his usual clarity in the narrative, a good but a little more mysterious and indecipherable would be just as well. Plot that progresses in a linear, no problem in following it. The drawings are really fabulous, combined with a good color design to complete a quality overall provision of Silver Link envy of studies animated feature much more famous. Funny comic parts included in the story. I think even the headmistress is up to something behind the scenes |
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XenocrisiFeb 13, 2015 4:40 AM
| It looks like there will be some very, very good news for gay equality rights in Japan in terms of marriage being legalized between non-heterosexual couples! But the bad news is that it will only apply in the very, very, very small Shibuya neighborhood of Tokyo! Shibuya Ward plans vote on same-sex marriage A Tokyo ward has taken a major step toward realizing the dreams of Japan’s same-sex couples by proposing to issue certificates that recognize such relationships as “equivalent to marriage.” Shibuya Ward pledged the measure as part of a draft statute Thursday to boost gender equality and strengthen human rights for sexual minorities. The statute will be presented to the municipal assembly in early March. If passed, it will take force on April 1, with the certificates appearing sometime in fiscal 2015, said ward official Shigeru Saito. See here for the full news story: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/02/12/national/same-sex-couples-to-get-recognition-under-plan-by-shibuya-ward Same-sex marriage has been legal in my country for nearly ten years now. We were the fourth country in the world to do so and the first country outside of Europe. |
okanaganFeb 12, 2015 7:42 PM
| More Yuri Kuma !! this is getting more exciting as i keep watching it |
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| I Really want to know who disliked this episode and why. This ep was exciting as hell. But hey all have their own genre. Can i know why? |
| hard to understand but I think I like where this is going. at first i though the letter is forged by Harishima but after seeing the last part Harishima just used the situation so that Kureha would be in despair. Then after Ginko saved the letter we saw that letter could implicate many explanations depending on the situation at the same time you read it. yah still very confusing... |
matias067Feb 13, 2015 9:28 AM
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| [quote=juventus95] Karol is that type of person. She dresses differently compared to others, but she's so eager to join the Invisible Storm and conform to the majority. And she has some kind of intimacy with another girl in a secluded room. I believe nobody in the school really thinks she's gay since she's so against it. So Karol is the Ted Haggard of Arashigaoka Academy. Interesting. |
| Xenocrisi said: I really want to know who disliked this episode and why. I guess I'm interested too. But 92% of people here are voting either that they "liked it" or "loved it". That is an extremely high percentage compared to most MAL discussions. What really puzzles me is why this series appears to be extremely unpopular in Japan. This is based on the very small numbers of pre-orders of the Blu-rays and the DVDs. For Volume 1, the Blu-ray "Amazon Stalker points" are at 901 which is very low. Analyzing from the top down, Ikuhara is a legendary Yuri director, having done "Revolutionary Girl Utena". After six episodes, "Yurikuma" is clearly the most significant Central-element Yuri since "Aoi Hana" at the end of 2009. I'm not saying that every Yuri-lover would like "Yurikuma" more, since the style and story structure will not appeal to everybody. But clearly "Yurikuma" is extremely important in the history of the Yuri genre and the word "masterpiece" might not be an overstatement. Analyzing it "from the bottom up", this is flawless work. This is no surprise at all, since it is lovingly created by Ikuhara and I suspect that he held out for a sufficient budget to animate it properly before agreeing to take on the project. I just can't see anything wrong anywhere, even after rewatching every episode. It must be very expensive to execute everything so well. There are no apparent places where Ikuhara skimped on quality to save money. Normally, I can spot a few flaws somewhere in any series if I stare at it for long enough. Japanese-language sources are calling it "incomprehensible". Is that why? I am thinking of that Feb 2nd article in "DMM News" with the title itself actually calling Yurikuma "the most incomprehensible anime of this cour". Ikuhara tweeted out the link to the article, so maybe he takes it with a sense of humor. There are fans in Japan who are talking about Yurikuma. Just not enough of them. - - - - - - - - - - Pleakley said: So Karol is the Ted Haggard of Arashigaoka Academy. An excellent analogy. But I had to Google "Ted Haggard" and read the Wikipedia article about him to see why. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard |
okanaganFeb 14, 2015 8:08 AM
| ^ I would say it's so unpopular because of its genre. I don't think that Yuri has a big fanbase. I, myself, am not a common Yuri fan, I watch every genre if the specific anime catches my interest. My only reason I needed to watch this was: Ikuhara. lol. And it's great so far. The people who dislike YKA probably dislike it because of its Ikuhara'ness (or: seeming randomness xD). Mawaru Penguindrum, for example, is so popular because its fresh animations and its themes are more appealing to the crowd. Shoujo Kakumei Utena is less popular because of its "old" animations and themes. And YKA is kind of an extreme niche anime, whereas Penguindrum is a more "anime-like"/common looking anime. Utena is something inbetween. (I wouldn't call Utena Yuri though, it just has Juri and incalculable characters) Also, I don't know when YKA was called "incomprehensible" but imo after watching 3-5 episodes and some thinking everybody should get most major themes of YKA. |
PabilsagFeb 14, 2015 8:49 AM
okanagan said: Analyzing it "from the bottom up", this is flawless work. This is no surprise at all, since it is lovingly created by Ikuhara and I suspect that he held out for a sufficient budget to animate it properly before agreeing to take on the project. I just can't see anything wrong anywhere, even after rewatching every episode. It must be very expensive to execute everything so well. There are no apparent places where Ikuhara skimped on quality to save money. Normally, I can spot a few flaws somewhere in any series if I stare at it for long enough. Japanese-language sources are calling it "incomprehensible". Is that why? I am thinking of that Feb 2nd article in "DMM News" with the title itself actually calling Yurikuma "the most incomprehensible anime of this cour". Ikuhara tweeted out the link to the article, so maybe he takes it with a sense of humor. I think that if we really like or hate something, we'll only stop to seriuosly question it if someone else point it out so we can see its flaws or quality. I think that a lot of people started to like Yuri Kuma when they went after reviews. While I don't think its a masterpiece, I'm really enjoying it, but couldn't absorb much of it to myself. I believe that shows like Yuri Kuma require some time to be appreciated or acknowledged because it requires more than what you see to grasp it, and it can become an issue if you watch it on the Television. We can't recap scenes or dialogues (you can look up for it afterwards, but I think that the most important moment is when you watch for the first time, it leaves its mark and impact) and sometimes you aren't in the mood to contemplate it, so you just rely on what you see and try not to think twice. |
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