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maybe because kpop's popularity is widespread among many societies, while jpop is not and only popular to those who watches animes.

and you know, judgemental society tells you that you're weird when they cant understand/new to them or not familiar in what you are saying or with your taste.
Feb 9, 2015 8:25 AM

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I thought that the only reason K-pop was popular was because of the Fancam videos.

Feb 9, 2015 8:27 AM

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They are threatened by the Japanese.
They can't have a peaceful country, anime and good music.
Feb 9, 2015 8:54 AM

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im pretty sure l'arc n ciel is accepted here
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Feb 9, 2015 9:29 AM

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J rock is better
Feb 9, 2015 1:56 PM

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Because J-Pop doesn't have THAT cool of music videos, and it generally sounds good which is something pop music isn't used to. Also a good example of J-Pop with a boring video but a really good song is:

Feb 9, 2015 2:06 PM
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Which country thinks Kpop fan normal again ?

Mostly Southeast Asian countries including Thailand, Malaysia, The Philippines, etc.


So maybe you might change the thread title to

"If K-pop fans are widely accepted in the Southeast Asia, why J-pop fans aren't"

cause it doesn't seem happen worldwide, like other users already pointed
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K-pop needs to be more cuter badly.


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Hoppy said:
K-pop needs to be more cuter badly.
is snsd not cute enough for you?
Feb 9, 2015 2:15 PM

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R3C said:
Remv_quevav said:

Mostly Southeast Asian countries including Thailand, Malaysia, The Philippines, etc.


So maybe you might change the thread title to

"If K-pop fans are widely accepted in the Southeast Asia, why J-pop fans aren't"

cause it doesn't seem happen worldwide, like other users already pointed


theres also one confirmed from canada
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Canada.
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rock is better
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Frankly, I think both suck.
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romagia said:
Hoppy said:
K-pop needs to be more cuter badly.
is snsd not cute enough for you?
plastic is not cute
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ninjastarforcex said:
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is snsd not cute enough for you?
plastic is not cute
Plastic-nee san is cute though...
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it generally sounds good which is something pop music isn't used to.

hahaha no.

For my 2 cents, J-pop hasn't gone international like K-pop in part because
a) like anime, J-pop is entirely financially reliant on a captive domestic market that they can flog overpriced merch to a relatively small but readily exploitable audience. AKB48 would be the most egregious example of this, often promoting their singles in such a way that encourages fans to buy multiple copies of the same single so, for example, they can cast multiple votes in the yearly group elections they have. K-pop, by contrast, saw the domestic music market implode in the 2000s when several major music distributors had a price war that left digital singles priced in the pennies (I think it's going up now but is still low even by iTunes standards), so they're much more reliant on gigs & foreign sales.
2) J-pop, or at least the most profitable parts of it, is unique in that it is primarily marketed towards (young) adult men instead of t(w)eenage girls (say what you want about the increasinly sexualised nature of music videos etc, it remains true that ultimately the targeted consumer of pop music in the West is women). It's not easy changing that mindset when it comes to marketing your product to markets with different expectations & values, & Japan doesn't really do a good job of marketing abroad even when we want what they're selling.

interesting.....
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Remv_quevav said:
R3C said:


So maybe you might change the thread title to

"If K-pop fans are widely accepted in the Southeast Asia, why J-pop fans aren't"

cause it doesn't seem happen worldwide, like other users already pointed


theres also one confirmed from canada
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Canada.


I'm not canadian, but i'm almost sure it was a troll post.
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R3C said:
Remv_quevav said:


theres also one confirmed from canada


I'm not canadian, but i'm almost sure it was a troll post.

oh yeah, right
damn my slow brain and stereotypes
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K-pop is more mainstream, that's all.
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Remv_quevav said:
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I'm not canadian, but i'm almost sure it was a troll post.

oh yeah, right
damn my slow brain and stereotypes


It's really difficult for 'normal' ppl in ocident know the differences between j and k-pop, actually. By 'normal' i mean if you're not an otaku. So I hardly think canadians would prefer one over another when most ppl there dont even know the differences.
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I think K-pop is bigger in the U.S but I think that's simply because they put a lot more effort into trying to break into the U.S market than J-pop record labels do. That said, both largely appeal to the same demographics here.

Psy is the only one to truly go mainstream here, though it was more of a "right song/dance at the right time" sort of cultural phenomenon (along the lines of the macarena, cupid shuffle, harlem shake, crank that (soulja boy), ect.).

2NE1 seems to be doing alright too I suppose, but to a much lesser extent than Psy.

That said, Japanese music is really popular in the form of video game music. Not quite the same thing but popular VG composers get a lot of respect/love from the VG community, which is a very large community at this point.
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R3C said:
Remv_quevav said:

oh yeah, right
damn my slow brain and stereotypes

It's really difficult for 'normal' ppl in ocident know the differences between j and k-pop, actually. By 'normal' i mean if you're not an otaku. So I hardly think canadians would prefer one over another when most ppl there dont even know the differences.

I'm not at all trolling. :|

Major Canadian cities are heavily influenced by the large Korean populations and many young people I know listen to or have listened to a lot of K-pop (even if it's just a phase).
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Interesting thread.

my opinion: more money goes into the production of k pop, it looks cool. Also it can be found easily on youtube.
meanwhile cartoons are for children and the most popular boy bands of j pop, arashi and exile are like grandfathers compared to the youngsters of k pop /minus shinwa/

on a sidenote - more than jpop, I like the subculture around niconico douga, ie, utaite and vocaloid producers.
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StevenHu said:
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It's really difficult for 'normal' ppl in ocident know the differences between j and k-pop, actually. By 'normal' i mean if you're not an otaku. So I hardly think canadians would prefer one over another when most ppl there dont even know the differences.

I'm not at all trolling. :|

Major Canadian cities are heavily influenced by the large Korean populations and many young people I know listen to or have listened to a lot of K-pop (even if it's just a phase).


My bad then.

But these ppl have any kind of 'prejudice' (like the OP say that happens in his country) against j-pop or anything like that? Because that's what the thread is about anyway.

For me, it's hard to believe these ppl who like k-pop are a major % of the overall population of your country, but you have more credibilty than me to say so. Still, I wonder the % of canadians that know the differences between j and k-pop just by listening the song.
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Because Kpop has very small national sales when it comes to selling their own CDs, so they have to expand their influence and find new markets. And theyre doing it pretty well actually, by using a lot of media available, especially official youtube accounts. By doing this they managed to become popular worldwide because it's just so easy to get access
Its different when it comes to Jpop. Japan has like the first spot worldwide when it comes to physical sales national wide, so basically they don't have any need to expand. They are selling enough stuff in their own country. They are not trying to get popular in other countries (except maybe in Korea and their other neighbours)
While it might be easy to find some jpop songs through anime it's incredibly hard to get any access to male and female idol groups. Especially the male ones. In contrast to Korea it's a very closed system...people simply don't get any chance to get to know about it.
And of course everything what is popular is considered to be cool... and everything which isn't mainstream is considered to be quite weird...
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Because Kpop has very small national sales when it comes to selling their own CDs, so they have to expand their influence and find new markets. And theyre doing it pretty well actually, by using a lot of media available, especially official youtube accounts. By doing this they managed to become popular worldwide because it's just so easy to get access
Its different when it comes to Jpop. Japan has like the first spot worldwide when it comes to physical sales national wide, so basically they don't have any need to expand. They are selling enough stuff in their own country. They are not trying to get popular in other countries (except maybe in Korea and their other neighbours)
While it might be easy to find some jpop songs through anime it's incredibly hard to get any access to male and female idol groups. Especially the male ones. In contrast to Korea it's a very closed system...people simply don't get any chance to get to know about it.
And of course everything what is popular is considered to be cool... and everything which isn't mainstream is considered to be quite weird...


they still amke less monye over all compare to Japanese idols K iodl i mean

AKB48 made 1 blioon usd in Japan alone last year in total
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Psy's only decent song is "Right Now" tbh.
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R3C said:
StevenHu said:
I'm not at all trolling. :|

Major Canadian cities are heavily influenced by the large Korean populations and many young people I know listen to or have listened to a lot of K-pop (even if it's just a phase).

My bad then.

But these ppl have any kind of 'prejudice' (like the OP say that happens in his country) against j-pop or anything like that? Because that's what the thread is about anyway.

For me, it's hard to believe these ppl who like k-pop are a major % of the overall population of your country, but you have more credibilty than me to say so. Still, I wonder the % of canadians that know the differences between j and k-pop just by listening the song.

I live in Canada. I'd agree that K-pop is widely appreciated where I live, but my city isn't a major city. I do live very close to Vancouver and from what I can tell, it doesn't seem as if K-pop has that significant of an influence there.

It isn't that K-pop or J-pop are "widely accepted" or anything. K-pop simply seems to be the more popular of the two. At least where I'm from, people don't seem to care whether or not you listen to Korean or Japanese pop. Again, I don't live in a major city, but I doubt the majority of the country likes K-pop. After all, Canadian culture (like music) is heavily influenced by America's.

And well, about knowing the difference between Japanese and Korean lyrics, think about it this way:
If you were listening to two songs of different foreign languages that you essentially have little to no exposure to, would you really be able to tell the difference? Probably not. This is a broad generalization, but that's the way it seems to be in Canada. It does vary depending on where you live, and what kind of people live there.
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LOAD said:
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My bad then.

But these ppl have any kind of 'prejudice' (like the OP say that happens in his country) against j-pop or anything like that? Because that's what the thread is about anyway.

For me, it's hard to believe these ppl who like k-pop are a major % of the overall population of your country, but you have more credibilty than me to say so. Still, I wonder the % of canadians that know the differences between j and k-pop just by listening the song.

I live in Canada. I'd agree that K-pop is widely appreciated where I live, but my city isn't a major city. I do live very close to Vancouver and from what I can tell, it doesn't seem as if K-pop has that significant of an influence there.

It isn't that K-pop or J-pop are "widely accepted" or anything. K-pop simply seems to be the more popular of the two. At least where I'm from, people don't seem to care whether or not you listen to Korean or Japanese pop. Again, I don't live in a major city, but I doubt the majority of the country likes K-pop. After all, Canadian culture (like music) is heavily influenced by America's.


That's pretty much what I'd like to know, thanks.


LOAD said:

And well, about knowing the difference between Japanese and Korean lyrics, think about it this way:
If you were listening to two songs of different foreign languages that you essentially have little to no exposure to, would you really be able to tell the difference? Probably not. This is a broad generalization, but that's the way it seems to be in Canada. It does vary depending on where you live, and what kind of people live there.



It's not just Canada, that's my point in saying that for ppl here in Ocident would be pretty hard to know these differences; hence would be hard to exist any kind of 'prejudice' against J-pop over K-pop here, when most ppl don't even care enough to know the differences.
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Idk, for historic reasons or international/national sales maybe?
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Never had this sort of problem, most people here in America assume K-pop and J-pop are the same thing. Both are generally dismissed from my experience though.
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I think K-pop is bigger in the U.S but I think that's simply because they put a lot more effort into trying to break into the U.S market than J-pop record labels do.
I would say the same thing about K-dramas vs. J-dramas; South Korea actually tries to get their stuff out there, but Japan traps everything in a net of its own making. As explained here, the Japanese on-camera acting and music scene is controlled by delusional talent agencies (some with yakuza connections) who demand outrageous fees and conditions for everything, and foreign companies don't want to work with them, even if they could afford it.

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Xilium7 said:
I think K-pop is bigger in the U.S but I think that's simply because they put a lot more effort into trying to break into the U.S market than J-pop record labels do.
I would say the same thing about K-dramas vs. J-dramas; South Korea actually tries to get their stuff out there, but Japan traps everything in a net of its own making. As explained here, the Japanese on-camera acting and music scene is controlled by delusional talent agencies (some with yakuza connections) who demand outrageous fees and conditions for everything, and foreign companies don't want to work with them, even if they could afford it.


not 100% true that only idols

the fact is there is alot o Dorama that does not have johnny or oiord; in ot at all

so yes alot of the atical is bull shit of the highest exent
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Because Japanese stuff sucks, and so do Japanese people, especially really old Japanese fans on MAL

I don't know? Is that really the case?
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Because Japanese stuff sucks, and so do Japanese people, especially really old Japanese fans on MAL

I don't know? Is that really the case?

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Uh I haven't really heard of J-pop fans not being accepted -.-
K-pop fans are widely accepted but they have a bad image of being delulu, over-attached and over-emotional fans.

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Psy's only decent song is "Right Now" tbh.

Passionate Goodbye is good too.
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the sot of emotion you wont get from and k pop singer
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It's a matter of style. J-pop does not have enough Gangnam in it.
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I think kpop artists can connect more with western audiences because some of them are really from Los Angeles and/or were educated there and speak English. Japan is just more disconnected from the rest of the world and most Japanese entertainers are not raised overseas or have much experience overseas I think contributes.
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Never had this sort of problem, most people here in America assume K-pop and J-pop are the same thing. Both are generally dismissed from my experience though.

i was not only referring to the music but also to the whole pop culture itself (k dramas or kpop music / anime)
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K-pop is normal? (In america?)
Maybe because Oppan Gangam Style?
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K-pop is normal? (In america?)
Maybe because Oppan Gangam Style?


only one song to make kpop acceptable/normal? lol

huge fanbase full of fangirls made the kpop acceptable in society lol
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K-pop is normal? (In america?)
Maybe because Oppan Gangam Style?


only one song to make kpop acceptable/normal? lol

huge fanbase full of fangirls made the kpop acceptable in society lol

I'm asking. I'm not american. yet.
However Oppan Gangam Style is that famous, and it's a k-pop song
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I think it also has to do with the fact that Jpop is usually related to anime, and as many of you may know anime is quite harshly judged by a lot of people.

Kpop, on the other hand, is just dancy music. Some Kpop songs also got really popular.


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I think it also has to do with the fact that Jpop is usually related to anime, and as many of you may know anime is quite harshly judged by a lot of people.

Kpop, on the other hand, is just dancy music. Some Kpop songs also got really popular.


Don't really think so. Only a very small fraction of yearly released pop songs are anime songs.

But the dance part part might be true, in the end kpop sounds way more like typical american club/dance songs just with korean lyrics than j-pop.
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K-pop fans are widely accepted in the society


I didn't sign this decree.

Just kidding.

But personally I don't give a flying monkey's bottom about what's socially accepted anywhere at any time, it would be one of the more petty and useless topics to waste time on.

There are always going to be barely sentient humans more closely related to the cro magnon, who do nothing but cling to ignorance and delusions of self-right. Their opinion to me is among the least valuable things on the face of the earth, next to riverbed silt and seagull droppings.
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Remv_quevav said:
K-pop fans are widely accepted in the society


I didn't sign this decree.

Just kidding.

But personally I don't give a flying monkey's bottom about what's socially accepted anywhere at any time, it would be one of the more petty and useless topics to waste time on.

There are always going to be barely sentient humans more closely related to the cro magnon, who do nothing but cling to ignorance and delusions of self-right. Their opinion to me is among the least valuable things on the face of the earth, next to riverbed silt and seagull droppings.

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Where I come from you'd get weird looks for listening to either of them and I seriously doubt people would even notice a difference between the two.


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because sometimes j pop can be weird
no westerners like weird

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i think k-pop is accepted because there are more artists/groups that are known in different country's and probably because there are more news about the lifes of the idols etc.


jpop also seems to have an image of 20 or more 14 year old semi-ugly girls who just graduated middle school in bikinis singing and dancing in a single group.

not to say kpop is any better, but it seems like it's just easier to watch with other people. kinda.
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