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Sep 20, 2020 10:17 PM

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Haven't heard about them being widely accepted in Eswatini, though.
Sep 21, 2020 7:15 AM

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Konradikon said:
Haven't heard about them being widely accepted in Eswatini, though.


Uh, your profile stated that you're living in the Philippines, and I find that hard to believe because K-pop and Korean pop culture are already household name in your country.
Sep 21, 2020 7:21 AM

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mdo7 said:
Konradikon said:
Haven't heard about them being widely accepted in Eswatini, though.


Uh, your profile stated that you're living in the Philippines, and I find that hard to believe because K-pop and Korean pop culture are already household name in your country.


But we're talking about Eswatini, though.
Sep 21, 2020 9:22 AM

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Konradikon said:


But we're talking about Eswatini, though.


I have to look up Eswatini and didn't know that was an actual African country (used to be named Swaziland). For a minute, I thought Eswatini was a named of a place in the Philippine until I have to look that up just now.
Sep 21, 2020 9:44 AM

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mdo7 said:
Konradikon said:


But we're talking about Eswatini, though.


I have to look up Eswatini and didn't know that was an actual African country (used to be named Swaziland). For a minute, I thought Eswatini was a named of a place in the Philippine until I have to look that up just now.


Yeah, they decided to changed it, since they get mistaken for Switzerland and probably had enough of people abroad sending wrong parcels to them.
Sep 21, 2020 12:18 PM
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i think most k pop fans are young girls so I wouldn't say they're widely accepted really.
Sep 24, 2020 10:37 AM

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Darkraii said:
i think most k pop fans are young girls so I wouldn't say they're widely accepted really.


um, we do have a lot of male fans in K-pop fandom. I know because I've encountered a lot of them.
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I feel like alot of people are starting to accept anime more as it is becoming more "mainstream"

not sure what implications this is going to have for the future of the anime industry

I cant help but have bitter taste in my mouth as i was made fun of in school for liking anime and now all of a sudden everyone loves it
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Sep 24, 2020 1:12 PM

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Because no one can live without those Korean oppas
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Sep 24, 2020 1:36 PM

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Its probably huge right now because BTS is getting a lot of coverage at the moment in the US/UK/Canada. Their song, dynamite, was Billboard number 1 for like 2 weeks, played at the VMAs etc. Its all in English as well...

Its also considered trendy, but anime seems to be on the rise a little over lockdown thanks to the ones on Netflix lol. Basically, there are people who fan over the hot/cute K-pop stars, and there are some who fan over anime characters. Both still get bashed, but anime fans, as its seen as for children, more than K-pop ones, who are bashed because K-pop is "gay" and weird... There will always be haters ^^;;
Sep 26, 2020 2:36 PM

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Kpop stans are majority but I don't think they're actually accepted. A lot of people find them annoying and cringe, if anything. Jpop is its own niche.

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mdo7 said:
Darkraii said:
i think most k pop fans are young girls so I wouldn't say they're widely accepted really.


um, we do have a lot of male fans in K-pop fandom. I know because I've encountered a lot of them.


yes i know i was one of them untill jessica left snsd and even worse big bang going on hiatus lol. but i'm pretty sure 80% of the kpop fandom is young girls
Oct 2, 2020 8:24 AM
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Imagine thinkin K-pop fans "are widely accepted" lol.
Oct 5, 2020 12:24 PM

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Zlyiond said:
Imagine thinkin K-pop fans "are widely accepted" lol.


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Because K-Pop fans are losers and society is largely made up of losers.


I guess you haven't seen the attention what BTS and Blackpink has been getting.

Darkraii said:


yes i know i was one of them untill jessica left snsd and even worse big bang going on hiatus lol. but i'm pretty sure 80% of the kpop fandom is young girls


No, I'm seeing evidence there are a lot of male fans of K-pop.
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It is much more acceptable for women to have yellow fever than guys. Its just the way it is.
Oct 6, 2020 9:44 AM

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bluffinie said:
People consider Kpop fans as weird too


If you're talking about pre-2009/2010, you would be correct. But today, I don't think people would think K-pop is weird because it's already got a lot of acceptance from several well-known celebrities, and other personalities. I guess you didn't read this 2012 article about K-pop crossing over in the US. I'm not sure where were you but K-pop has tried to break into the US market in the past before BTS and Blackpink.
Oct 7, 2020 2:33 PM

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bluffinie said:

I actually agree that K-pop has more acceptance especially in the US since Blackpink is very global but I'm pretty sure you know there are also a lot of people that consider Kpop as cringe/weird. Especially if you are from a small country, that kind of people is everywhere. People will always think it's weird when something's popular.


What country are you from @bluffinie? Judging from what you said, you're not a US citizen/national are you?

Your MAL profile doesn't tell me what country you're from, so I take it that you're not a US citizen, and I don't think you're from the UK, France, Germany, Spain, or Latin America, am I correct?
Oct 7, 2020 3:19 PM

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bluffinie said:

Sorry, I didn't mention it in my reply. I'm from Turkey.


Wait, Turkey? Are you serious?

Because I thought Korean stuff were really popular over there And I know because of this:

Korean Dramas Popular in Turkey and the Middle East

Young Turkish people are interested in Korean culture







Also were you aware several Turkish remake of Korean TV drama:

Turkish Remakes of Asian Dramas That Will Excite You



If you're from Turkey and you said Korean stuff is not popular like you claim, then how do you explain this? And maybe you should explain this:

Turkey’s K-pop craze sparks fear of cultural invasion

I find it hard to believe that Korean stuff is not popular in Turkey despite the evidence I'm showing you here. Care to explain?
Oct 7, 2020 5:43 PM

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bluffinie said:

No, no I didn’t say it’s not popular. I know many people that love K-pop and I’m a fan of Twice and Itzy. There is no problem here.
(I’m surprised you know about Turkey a lot.)

The problem is, I always see people that hates everything related K-pop on social media. Some respect, some say it’s cringe/weird. It has little acceptance except for the fans. I think it’s because people like to hate everything popular but it is what it is.

I didn’t know about the K-drama stuff but I think not much people know that they’re a remake. It at least doesn’t get hate which is great.


Actually, I don't know a lot about Turkey. The reason I know about K-pop/K-drama's popularity in Turkey is because I studied the Hallyu/Korean Wave's global influence and spread. I read about how the Hallyu/Korean Wave had a deep impact on Turkey and having watched many interview with K-pop fans in Turkey, and having watched several clips of Turkish news/media talking about the rise of K-pop in that country. That's how I know about K-pop's popularity in Turkey. Also it doesn't help back in 2013, KBS's Music Bank did a world tour and Istanbul happened to be one of the place where Music Bank did their concert:







I don't know how old you were back in 2013, but yep, Istanbul had a big K-pop concert back in 2013, and I don't know how much publicity it got in Turkey, but Music Bank in Istanbul was a success.

Also regarding what you said about "I think it’s because people like to hate everything popular but it is what it is." Are you sure they didn't say that with a racist/anti-Asian attitude? I say this because there are haters that used racist/anti-Asian remark when they attacked K-pop.

And regarding the K-drama thing, are you sure these same people were ignorant and somehow didn't know that Turkey was remaking K-dramas. Because a lot of K-pop/K-drama fans would know and are aware of these remake.
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Darkraii said:
i think most k pop fans are young girls so I wouldn't say they're widely accepted really.

If this is true, then I pity those parents who'd waste hard-earned money for their young girl's concert tickets. I heard even their merch can be expensive. But still, I'm not sure of the ratio of fans who just listens and hard-core fans who has to have everything their favorite band produces.
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Oct 8, 2020 2:54 PM

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Poulain said:
Darkraii said:
i think most k pop fans are young girls so I wouldn't say they're widely accepted really.

If this is true, then I pity those parents who'd waste hard-earned money for their young girl's concert tickets. I heard even their merch can be expensive. But still, I'm not sure of the ratio of fans who just listens and hard-core fans who has to have everything their favorite band produces.


There are a lot of male fans too, why do you think girl groups exist for?
Oct 8, 2020 6:26 PM

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I think the only reason is because K-Pop is more commercially successful
Oct 9, 2020 12:59 AM

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mdo7 said:
bluffinie said:

No, no I didn’t say it’s not popular. I know many people that love K-pop and I’m a fan of Twice and Itzy. There is no problem here.
(I’m surprised you know about Turkey a lot.)

The problem is, I always see people that hates everything related K-pop on social media. Some respect, some say it’s cringe/weird. It has little acceptance except for the fans. I think it’s because people like to hate everything popular but it is what it is.

I didn’t know about the K-drama stuff but I think not much people know that they’re a remake. It at least doesn’t get hate which is great.


Actually, I don't know a lot about Turkey. The reason I know about K-pop/K-drama's popularity in Turkey is because I studied the Hallyu/Korean Wave's global influence and spread. I read about how the Hallyu/Korean Wave had a deep impact on Turkey and having watched many interview with K-pop fans in Turkey, and having watched several clips of Turkish news/media talking about the rise of K-pop in that country. That's how I know about K-pop's popularity in Turkey. Also it doesn't help back in 2013, KBS's Music Bank did a world tour and Istanbul happened to be one of the place where Music Bank did their concert:







I don't know how old you were back in 2013, but yep, Istanbul had a big K-pop concert back in 2013, and I don't know how much publicity it got in Turkey, but Music Bank in Istanbul was a success.

Also regarding what you said about "I think it’s because people like to hate everything popular but it is what it is." Are you sure they didn't say that with a racist/anti-Asian attitude? I say this because there are haters that used racist/anti-Asian remark when they attacked K-pop.

And regarding the K-drama thing, are you sure these same people were ignorant and somehow didn't know that Turkey was remaking K-dramas. Because a lot of K-pop/K-drama fans would know and are aware of these remake.


I'm kinda disappointed they didn't sang Ben Olmalıydım and Ceddin Deden...
Oct 9, 2020 1:48 AM

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This has to do with the vast difference of the concepts they use. K-pop concepts tend to lean more on international concepts, while J-pop has a world of its own. Heavy Rotation was really a controversial video, considering the lewd concept being enacted by innocent women. This video left me under the impression that J-pop concepts are weird, which are of course not.

There is also an apparent difference between the performers. Most Koreans would do everything just to achieve the ideal look that everyone desires. While most Japanese are less strict on achieving the ideal appearance. Their skills are also on different scales; Koreans take years just to debut, while the Japanese have less focus on skills. For people who want to go deeper on this, please watch Produce 48, a TV survival show with 101 trainees having a chance to debut in a girl group(though the show was manipulated). The show had Japanese and Korean trainees perform on different concepts and you could really see there the difference on both skill and motivation.

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Oct 9, 2020 3:04 AM

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Honestly, I would say while K-pop fans are more well-known and a larger fanbase I wouldn't say they are exactly "widely-accepted." I feels like they are looked down in a similar way that people obsessed with boy bands are (or anime to some extent, though it is becoming more well known). IMO Kpop is probably better exposed to international fans because it is such a big industry. Jpop fans I feel are usually more chill about their favorites and I usually don't see them get to the same level of obsession that many Kpop fans do. Overall, I think Kpop fans have a larger audience because those who do enjoy it are louder about it and have more merch and media to support and spread around.
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This has to do with the vast difference of the concepts they use. K-pop concepts tend to lean more on international concepts, while J-pop has a world of its own. Heavy Rotation was really a controversial video, considering the lewd concept being enacted by innocent women. This video left me under the impression that J-pop concepts are weird, which are of course not.

There is also an apparent difference between the performers. Most Koreans would do everything just to achieve the ideal look that everyone desires. While most Japanese are less strict on achieving the ideal appearance. Their skills are also on different scales; Koreans take years just to debut, while the Japanese have less focus on skills. For people who want to go deeper on this, please watch Produce 48, a TV survival show with 101 trainees having a chance to debut in a girl group(though the show was manipulated). The show had Japanese and Korean trainees perform on different concepts and you could really see there the difference on both skill and motivation.


Regarding the part I bolded, that's the problem. There's a misconception that J-pop is too weird for westerner to be accepted. But here's the problem: K-pop has a lot of weird video that "out-weird" Japan and yet those weird video get accepted too (yes that include BTS, and Blackpink too). I mean for example:





And Big Bang had a lot of global fans despite their weird MVs/concepts. So how did the same people that think J-pop is too weird for the west somehow accept K-pop's weirdness.

Oh and Park Chan Wook (director of Oldboy, and several well-known Korean films) directed this bizarre music video:



So the same people that couldn't accepted J-pop's weirdness somehow accepted their K-pop counterpart. The double standard in accepting K-pop's weirdness, and rejecting/denouncing J-pop's weirdness is also a factor why J-pop fans resent K-pop and leading some J-pop fans to have racist tendency toward Koreans.

Some people including me think that maybe the Korean language sound more exotic to non-Asian audiences then the Japanese language and theorize if J-pop sang in Korean rather then Japanese, then maybe J-pop idols/artists get accepted in the west.

You're also correct about K-pop and J-pop idols level of performance. That's what many people who observe both of them took notice. Even some J-pop idols confessed that K-pop idols performed better.

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Honestly, I would say while K-pop fans are more well-known and a larger fanbase I wouldn't say they are exactly "widely-accepted." I feels like they are looked down in a similar way that people obsessed with boy bands are (or anime to some extent, though it is becoming more well known). IMO Kpop is probably better exposed to international fans because it is such a big industry. Jpop fans I feel are usually more chill about their favorites and I usually don't see them get to the same level of obsession that many Kpop fans do. Overall, I think Kpop fans have a larger audience because those who do enjoy it are louder about it and have more merch and media to support and spread around.


Actually, there was a time when J-pop fans did used to be as obsessive about their idols as their K-pop counterpart back then, and I'm not making this up.

Also J-music fans can get quite toxic from time to time even back in early 2000's, their fandom can be as toxic as today's K-pop fans.
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2 years later now white girls are going all the way to Korea to date South Korean guys all because of k-pop and squid game the fucking fetishism is real!!

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2 years later now white girls are going all the way to Korea to date South Korean guys all because of k-pop and squid game the fucking fetishism is real!!


Well thanks for reviving this thread. Now I have a reason to add this:

K-pop Reddit thread from 2020: If it wasn't for Japan's lateness to the YouTube/Streaming bandwagon, J-Pop would be as big as (if not bigger) than K-Pop right now

J-pop Reddit thread created a few months back: I believe Jpop deserves better and be rivals to Kpop one day since it did before KPop was popular.

And now we just witnessed a high profile former AKB48 member (actually she's a member of HKT48) crossing over to K-pop. Sakura Miyawaki went from AKB48/HKT48 to now becoming a member of HYBE/Big Hit new girl group, Le Sserafim. Now she and that group is now getting more international attention then her time on HKT48 because of K-pop's mainstream global presence.

Also it doesn't help that HYBE created this girl group.
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Diginarcissa said:
This is a question that is bothering me 4 days. In our country, Kpop culture (including K-dramas and songs) influences are rampant. Fans of it are widely accepted in the society and they can sing Korean songs freely in public whereas if u are Jpop culture (this includes anime) fan u r viewed as weirdos or nerds. Wut is ur opinion about it?


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