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Jul 13, 2016 9:41 AM
#201
| @Calypso I mean a international fan of Arashi don't just suddenly abandon being a fan of them and just suddenly stan SHINee, GOT7, and BTS like that. I was even told that international audiences are turned off by AKB48, yet they're fine with their K-pop counterpart like I.O.I and WSJN/Cosmic Girls which are big girl groups with 12/13 members. I mean that's why I describe J-pop's international fandom as bipolar and just pulling double standard. That's why I used the hardcore sub fan/dub hater turned dub fans/sub hater as a analogy to J-pop's international fandom decline and why they never come back to J-pop after they become K-pop fans. |
Jul 13, 2016 9:47 AM
#202
| Where I'm from in the U.S people will know of K-Pop and think it's funny but they will think anime is weird/for nerds |
Jul 13, 2016 9:58 AM
#203
Sereneflower said: Where I'm from in the U.S people will know of K-Pop and think it's funny but they will think anime is weird/for nerds That's why some fans of J-pop have developed resentment against K-pop, the thing I describe above. Also the fact that K-pop is getting more audiences in the US are making these same group of J-pop fans not happy. |
Jul 13, 2016 9:58 AM
#204
| @mdo7 TBH i dont get them either because I was able to do the same. I got into Kpop at 2010 but I was into anime years before that. I sorta still watched anime at 2011 but rarely listened to Jpop. And then when my groups went on hiatus from MVs to promote in concerts and stuff (around 2013/14?) I came back to anime and Jpop again. And then at Jan 2015 I got back into Kpop after discovering BTS, this time I am now able to balance Kpop and Jpop and anime, etc. My new theory is that I dont think some fans are able to balance out what they're stanning. Sure there are people like me and you who have learned to love both but stanning Kpop is so frigging exhausting tbh. Following them everywhere, watching every video about them possible. K-idols, i think, are truly idols. So much is asked of them that they do almost everything they can be given to do: dance practices, (too many) music shows, emceeing, acting, musicals, varieties, talk shows. And then people STILL want more so they tweet, have V app LIVE, and (in BTS case) they do Bangtan Bombs. They do more than those asked of a singer that fans lose their time trying to keep up. So maybe they cant balance out Jpop and Kpop anymore that they just waste their time on Kpop just to catch up to everything about the groups they stan and forget other things? |
Jul 13, 2016 10:08 AM
#205
Calypso said: @mdo7 TBH i dont get them either because I was able to do the same. I got into Kpop at 2010 but I was into anime years before that. I sorta still watched anime at 2011 but rarely listened to Jpop. And then when my groups went on hiatus from MVs to promote in concerts and stuff (around 2013/14?) I came back to anime and Jpop again. And then at Jan 2015 I got back into Kpop after discovering BTS, this time I am now able to balance Kpop and Jpop and anime, etc. My new theory is that I dont think some fans are able to balance out what they're stanning. Sure there are people like me and you who have learned to love both but stanning Kpop is so frigging exhausting tbh. Following them everywhere, watching every video about them possible. K-idols, i think, are truly idols. So much is asked of them that they do almost everything they can be given to do: dance practices, (too many) music shows, emceeing, acting, musicals, varieties, talk shows. And then people STILL want more so they tweet, have V app LIVE, and (in BTS case) they do Bangtan Bombs. They do more than those asked of a singer that fans lose their time trying to keep up. So maybe they cant balance out Jpop and Kpop anymore that they just waste their time on Kpop just to catch up to everything about the groups they stan and forget other things? It get worse, and I didn't disclose this to you: I found out that these K-pop fans that were former J-pop fans have also engaged in bullying or even bashing J-pop. Meaning a former fan of AKB48 could attack AKB48 and accusing them of copying off K-pop when they knew that they came first before J-pop. I'm not making this up, another J-pop fans I talked to online told me similar stories about how K-pop fans that were former J-pop fans that make fun of J-pop and bashing them, I'll quote this J-pop fans I talked to online that describe this: In my observation to my friends who used to be J-pop fans who turned to K-pop fans, they were all anime lovers at first and only listen to Anime music but then, when they heard K-pop and thinks that K-pop is cool than J-pop. They started to bash J-pop like they never became a fan before. They think that J-pop are only being cute and using kawaii voice for music. It’s like they think that iy is cool to bash. So that means a person who used to love J-pop then when that person became a K-pop fan, they just bash and insulted J-pop like they were never part of the fandom. It's unbelievable when I found out about that. |
Jul 13, 2016 10:23 AM
#206
| @mdo7 I'm not sure if you're implying that Jpoppers turned Kpoppers bash current Jpoppers for their music, like in general. Since you became a fan at 2013, I guess you were in EXO's era? It should be pretty known to you that a lot of Kpoppers bash everyone, really. They bash Jpop, they bash Justin Bieber, they bash One Direction, heck they even bash other Kpop groups and as someone who has been following BTS, I am fully aware that there will always be Kpop fans of different groups claiming that they are copying off each other So your arguement isn't really that special that a fomer Jpop fan that is now a Kpop fan bashed a Jpop fan. There are a lot of people in this world so it's bound to happen one day. So dont be suprised even if Kpoppers bash Jpoppers despite being a Jpopper themselves formerly or not. When you get into a Kpop group, it happens. Kpop is so toxic -_________- my guilty pleasure *shot* |
Jul 13, 2016 10:26 AM
#207
mdo7 said: Sereneflower said: Where I'm from in the U.S people will know of K-Pop and think it's funny but they will think anime is weird/for nerds That's why some fans of J-pop have developed resentment against K-pop, the thing I describe above. Also the fact that K-pop is getting more audiences in the US are making these same group of J-pop fans not happy. I think the negative stigma has existed for anime fans long before before K-Pop got popular though I blame it on anime girls being fetishized (large boobs, waifus) For me I did watch the occasional Naruto when I was younger but I got into Kpop first and a lot of my Kpop friends liked anime so I decided to watch more anime besides Naruto and got hooked |
Jul 13, 2016 10:30 AM
#208
Calypso said: @mdo7 I'm not sure if you're implying that Jpoppers turned Kpoppers bash current Jpoppers for their music, like in general. Since you became a fan at 2013, I guess you were in EXO's era? It should be pretty known to you that a lot of Kpoppers bash everyone, really. They bash Jpop, they bash Justin Bieber, they bash One Direction, heck they even bash other Kpop groups and as someone who has been following BTS, I am fully aware that there will always be Kpop fans of different groups claiming that they are copying off each other So your arguement isn't really that special that a fomer Jpop fan that is now a Kpop fan bashed a Jpop fan. There are a lot of people in this world so it's bound to happen one day. So dont be suprised even if Kpoppers bash Jpoppers despite being a Jpopper themselves formerly or not. When you get into a Kpop group, it happens. Kpop is so toxic -_________- my guilty pleasure *shot* Well, I'm not sure how big this bashing is, I just see it online and other J-pop fans confirmed this to me. So if there are K-pop fans that are former J-pop fans that like to bash on J-pop, that makes me facepalm and boggle my mind. The problem is why aren't current J-pop fans (even the one that are current K-pop fans like you) not even defending J-pop from these haters, bashers? That's why J-pop international fandom lack unity compared to K-pop, that's the reason they didn't raise hell when J-pop's accessibility become restricted. The fact that K-pop used to be demonized back in 2000's, and now these same basher that bash on K-pop are now fans of it and now bash on J-pop like they never became fans of J-pop at all. That's why I describe this like Bipolar disorder. |
Jul 13, 2016 10:43 AM
#209
| @mdo7 IDK maybe they have problems of their own. They are probably just denying that their fans y'know? I would compare it to like tropes where a high school kid is getting into a "cooler group" so now they also bully their childhood friend just to remain in their new clique. Not like forgetting that they were Jpoppers before, now they;re just denying it..? Also, since you said before that Kpop is now more known than Jpop, obviously it'll be much harder to fight back against them now. Kpop is really toxic, they are used to bashing and trolling. I think it's better this way that Jpop fans dont fight back. Do you really want Jpop fans to also be known as a toxic group? But seriously though, how much Kpop have you been exposed to? Kpop is not unified, Jpop is much safer. I said before, Kpop fans bash other Kpop fans too. The Kpop community may look like a big clique but there are smaller groups within that clique |
Jul 13, 2016 11:05 AM
#210
Calypso said: Also, since you said before that Kpop is now more known than Jpop, obviously it'll be much harder to fight back against them now. Kpop is really toxic, they are used to bashing and trolling. I think it's better this way that Jpop fans dont fight back. Do you really want Jpop fans to also be known as a toxic group? But seriously though, how much Kpop have you been exposed to? Kpop is not unified, Jpop is much safer. I said before, Kpop fans bash other Kpop fans too. The Kpop community may look like a big clique but there are smaller groups within that clique I wouldn't mind J-pop fandom to be toxic like K-pop. If your fandom is toxic it means you have a stronger united fandom and also if anything in J-pop like accessibility issues, they would raise hell. I don't see that today in J-pop. When I said J-pop fandom aren't united, I'm not making this up, read this article: INTERNATIONAL JAPANESE MUSIC FANS NOT RALLYING BEHIND DEMPAGUMI.INC TO WIN BEST WORLDWIDE ACT: ASIA. IS THIS A SIGN OF A LACK OF UNITY? To quote the article above: I’ve noticed here and on other sites people saying that they have no plan to vote for Dempagumi.inc because they don’t like them and / or because they give Japanese music a bad image. But shouldn’t this be something Japanese music fans rally behind? I mean, KPop fans do this all the time. They’ll vote for an act they’re not a fan of simply to further the KPop cause. This is how Big Bang won Best Worldwide Act at the 2011 MTV EMA. This is how Girls’ Generation won Best Music Video at the YouTube Music Awards in 2013. So yes, something is wrong with J-pop international fandom. EXO fans even put aside their differences and help fellow K-pop group to win a international contest, I mean that's how T-ara beat One Direction last year!!! That's how Super Junior won MTV Italy awards in 2014, and Big Bang won Best artist from MTV Italy this year. Also Super Junior won an award from teen choice award last year: See even EXO fandom, and all other K-pop fandom regardless who they're fans unite and managed to give these K-pop idols I listed above international awards, now that's unity. How come J-pop weren't able to do something like that??? |
mdo7Jul 13, 2016 11:14 AM
Jul 13, 2016 11:07 AM
#211
Sereneflower said: I think the negative stigma has existed for anime fans long before before K-Pop got popular though Yes, but K-pop used to be demonized before it got accepted. J-pop used to be accepted in 2000's amongst international audiences and then it decline and now it's demonized and J-pop fans I talked to don't know why this happened. |
Jul 13, 2016 11:31 AM
#212
| @md07 Toxic does not mean united at all. I am now seriously doubting you and that you have been in Kpop communities before. If you've been with those people you would truly understand what toxic groups are and I seriously dont want to have Jpop ending up like them. Also, who exactly were those Kpop groups up against? I didnt get to watch the MTV awards. Besides, this was Italy. How would you know that Big Bang wasn't just popular there in general? Big Bang and EXO are really big now these days. So you cant say that they have "all other K-pop fandom regardless who" because yes, they have help from other groups you know why? Because, guess what, you can stan more than 1 group! Surprise! (If you're into Kpop you should really have known this too) IMO, Kpop fans are used to award shows. They can support these groups as a Kpop group because they know who they are based on their competitors during award shows. Jpop's competition isn't that big, that is probably why they aren't united and arent fully aware of other groups, hence "lacking unity" |
Jul 13, 2016 12:01 PM
#213
Calypso said: @md07 Toxic does not mean united at all. If you've been with those people you would truly understand what toxic groups are and I seriously dont want to have Jpop ending up like them. I never denied that they're conflict in K-pop fandom. In case if you didn't know, J-pop was also toxic back then too, there are fanwars within J-pop too long time ago: 2005 forum topic: Elitist and Rabid Fangirls (or boys) J-Pop/Showbiz Male Idol Fan Girls are the WORSE… Also, who exactly were those Kpop groups up against? I didnt get to watch the MTV awards. Besides, this was Italy. How would you know that Big Bang wasn't just popular there in general? Big Bang and EXO are really big now these days. So you cant say that they have "all other K-pop fandom regardless who" because yes, they have help from other groups you know why? Because, guess what, you can stan more than 1 group! Surprise! (If you're into Kpop you should really have known this too) Didn't you even read the articles I linked to you? K-pop group like Girls Generation, Super Junior, Big Bang, and even T-ara were going up against big name artists like One Direction, Justin Bieber, Beyonce, and other big name artists (don't tell me you don't know who they are). T-ara wasn't even a household name in the US yet they beat One Direction in the US on Billboard award. Seeing K-pop winning against these big name/household artists made me realize that K-pop audiences has grown beyond what J-pop and other Asian pop wasn't able to do. It made me realize that K-pop fandom can put away fanwars and any difference and unite to help K-pop group win an international awards not in Korea/Asia even if they're not fans of that specific K-pop idol. I am now seriously doubting you and that you have been in Kpop communities before. What year did you become a K-pop fans? Because how did you not know about Girls Generation winning against One Direction, Justin Bieber, and Lady Gaga in 2013. SNSD was not even a household name in the USA back then, yet SNSD beat all of them at an award like YTMA in 2013. They got a lot of attention from the media like CNN, Time magazine, etc... for beating these household name US artists at a time when K-pop is not well-known like it is now. I have to ask, what were you doing when Girls Generation was winning the 2013 YTMA beating other big name household artists like Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Demi Lovato, etc...? |
mdo7Jul 13, 2016 12:18 PM
Jul 13, 2016 12:35 PM
#214
| Okay, so Jpop fans were also toxic before, so what? They arent now so does that prove anything? Does that make them "less united" now that they have become less crazy? Its better this way tbh. And I mentioned already in my post awhile back: TBH i dont get them either because I was able to do the same. I got into Kpop at 2010 but I was into anime years before that. I sorta still watched anime at 2011 but rarely listened to Jpop. And then when my groups went on hiatus from MVs to promote in concerts and stuff (around 2013/14?) I came back to anime and Jpop again. And then at Jan 2015 I got back into Kpop after discovering BTS, this time I am now able to balance Kpop and Jpop and anime, etc. I have heard the news about GG winning but I lost interest in Kpop for awhile back then because the groups I stan went on hiatus or had a world tour. So what was I doing that moment? Updating myself with anime. Did I help GG win? NO. I am not into girl groups (Jpop or Kpop). So where were YOU during 2013? What you said that was: mdo7 said: I became a K-pop fans in 2013, but I don't forget anime or abandon my anime fandom. So why did GG winning come off as a surprise to you? If you're also a Kpop fan back then, shouldnt you have been happy other than questioning something like this? If I were you I would have been thrilled that a group that is similar to what I have been supporting won an award. |
Jul 13, 2016 1:02 PM
#215
Calypso said: So why did GG winning come off as a surprise to you? If you're also a Kpop fan back then, shouldnt you have been happy other than questioning something like this? If I were you I would have been thrilled that a group that is similar to what I have been supporting won an award. Because K-pop wasn't as famous back in 2013 as they are today. I mean Asian artists aren't famous in USA/America. Don't tell me you weren't aware that Asian artists are not famous in USA/America: NY Times article-Missing: Asian-American pop stars Still Waiting: Asian Americans in Music Asian-American Artists Look Abroad Now why do you think K-pop companies need English speakers in their group for and majority of the time, K-pop idol groups that have members that are fluent English speakers are usually from America? Why do you think Coco Lee never became a household name in the US? That's why I'm hoping K-pop idols can break that barrier regarding Asian singers and can make it big in America because we don't have Asian-American singers/idols in the US. You can only find them on K-pop. Okay, so Jpop fans were also toxic before, so what? They arent now so does that prove anything? Does that make them "less united" now that they have become less crazy? Its better this way tbh. It's bad, because some J-pop fans aren't happy that the J-pop fandom aren't as strong as they were in 2000's. That's why some J-pop fans carried animosity against K-pop fandom (and also become jealous that K-pop fandom are more respected then their J-pop counterpart). It's because J-pop become less powerful and many of these former J-pop fans that become K-pop fans never went back to J-pop. So yes, it make some J-pop fans not happy that K-pop is getting more international audiences. If the J-pop fandom wasn't weak today, then I bet you that AKB48, Perfume, and EXILE would become super-famous outside of Asia like their K-pop counterpart today. That's why J-pop fans complain about the lack of J-pop forum: THERE'S NO PROPER JPOP FORUM JPOP Group Chat One more thing: That's like saying American artists in the future would only now sing in Korean or Japanese because an article said Kpop is putting American music out of business. Funny you say that, because you may want to read these articles: ‘Korea Is Only Asian Country to Compete with Hollywood’s Cultural Hegemony A Korean Hallyu Threatens American Cultural Dominance It might not be threatened US artists in the US, but I do believe that K-pop popularity could overshadow US pop culture in other part of the world like Latin/South America, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East given how mainstream Korean pop culture are becoming in those area. I mean I remember reading a CNN article written by a pop culture critic and I'll quote: American pop is often seen by nations around the world as an invading force, crushing native alternatives with the unfair-to-the-point-of-being-weaponized scale of its marketing budgets. Korean cool, by contrast, is recognized as the product of hard work and ingenuity, developed by a nation that just a few generations ago was newly bisected by war and mired in desperate poverty. In the fastest-growing markets in the world — Southeast Asia, Latin America, Africa, the Middle East — K-pop is aspirational in part because it holds out hope that they, too, will someday be able to join the ranks of the global economy's cool kids. Now you see why American pop culture (outside of America, not in the US) could maybe one day be overshadow by Korean pop culture. |
mdo7Jul 20, 2016 6:12 AM
Mar 23, 2018 9:47 AM
#216
| So, hello guys, i am new here. I've notice this thread a very long time ago, and the idiot mdo7 has been talking a lot of how Korea doing better than Japan are makes me strange, he posts a lot of article and yotubes about it. This type was already acknowledged from Popsuri here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQRc0WB35k And another video on how Japan isn't good at promoting its pop culture and another video on how to promote their culture more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-37AE21PPk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1SyyoWgeL8 |
Mar 23, 2018 10:02 AM
#217
Mar 23, 2018 10:09 AM
#218
Gropefruit said: The J-Pop/J-rock songs that get popular r with very loud visuals which is "weird" for more countries even in Asia. Yeah, but J-Rock are still better at touring internationally that J-Pop artists are, they can also sing in English too such as OK ONE ROCK, Coldrain and others J-Rock that are also fluent in English. |
Mar 25, 2018 12:56 PM
#219
| I think it's just mostly that K-Pop has broken into the mainstream whereas J-Pop hasn't, so as such its more of a niche thing comparatively. |
Mar 26, 2018 10:49 AM
#220
-Ouro- said: I think it's just mostly that K-Pop has broken into the mainstream whereas J-Pop hasn't, so as such its more of a niche thing comparatively. Yeah, K-pop is really popular through, because the style of their song are really much more westernized and look more like an America. For J-Pop, everything style on song retains almost Japanese things, but they have some influences on European songs, as well as some western things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NrieCbm7w This MV is an short version through, but there is a full MV available on video. Here you go: https://vimeo.com/209610140 I also see there are some foreign people appearing on J-Pop MV too, but most of them are just simply hafu or gaijin tarento, an foreign talenters who work on Japanese entertianment for an period of time. I just don't understand why Japanese government simply choose for Japanese music companies to not upload Full MV, aren't they don't want Japan to be safe from increasing crime rate. mdo7's perspctive about J-Pop not branching out as K-Pop even goes far as to this: http://www.stage48.net/forum/index.php?threads/how-come-k-pop-fans-dont-branch-out-to-akb48-and-j-pop-in-general.14923/ https://www.quora.com/profile/Michael-Do-2 What is he anyway, an idiot man who things Japan is so powerful because he want everything to be exported, but all of succesful attempt don't work at all. (sorry for my poor English) |
hotsushikunMar 26, 2018 10:54 AM
Mar 26, 2018 10:55 AM
#221
| Anyway, if mdo7 returns and keep doing his shenanigans again, please ban him from this site, we don't want him to talk us about this topic again. He repeats the same questions to us. |
Mar 26, 2018 11:01 AM
#222
| Depends on Your Reasons for Liking it. If you just like it because of the Beat or because you like that style its fine but if you like it because of Anime you're a piece of Shit according to some people. That is Pretty Dumb. Once I Had to Use TWICE as an escape plan when I Was Listening to Some Aqours songs so people didn't think I Am Weird. |
愛がなければ、見えない。 Without Love, the truth cannot be seen. |
Mar 26, 2018 11:06 AM
#223
Afloo said: Depends on Your Reasons for Liking it. If you just like it because of the Beat or because you like that style its fine but if you like it because of Anime you're a piece of Shit according to some people. That is Pretty Dumb. Once I Had to Use TWICE as an escape plan when I Was Listening to Some Aqours songs so people didn't think I Am Weird. Well, of course about that, there is an number of K-Pop peformed number of anime openings as well. Here is some video below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSse79Oizc I am wanting to be happy if BTS's Not Today song to be featured as the offical song of the 2018 World Cup hosted in Russia, that would be really cool. And i am also excited because my Serbia team is advancing to the knockout stage today. It would make mdo7 even more unhappy that FIFA is using K-Pop song as one of the major source of the themes song as well. |
Mar 26, 2018 11:11 AM
#224
hotsushikun said: Afloo said: Depends on Your Reasons for Liking it. If you just like it because of the Beat or because you like that style its fine but if you like it because of Anime you're a piece of Shit according to some people. That is Pretty Dumb. Once I Had to Use TWICE as an escape plan when I Was Listening to Some Aqours songs so people didn't think I Am Weird. Well, of course about that, there is an number of K-Pop peformed number of anime openings as well. Here is some video below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSse79Oizc I am wanting to be happy if BTS's Not Today song to be featured as the offical song of the 2018 World Cup hosted in Russia, that would be really cool. And i am also excited because my Serbia team is advancing to the knockout stage today. It would make mdo7 even more unhappy that FIFA is using K-Pop song as one of the major source of the themes song as well. K-pop Anime Ops Might exist but it is not the Main Reason That people like the Genre while with J-pop most people starting Listen to it because of Anime. |
愛がなければ、見えない。 Without Love, the truth cannot be seen. |
Mar 26, 2018 11:20 AM
#225
| I wonder why mdo7 is so concern on why K-Pop and K-Drama being exported worldwide and that Japan isn't exporting J-Drama and J-Drama worldwide? He does not need to worry about it, and people fans of J-Drama and J-Pop won't go away at all, they are still going to be here for sure. I even found that Japan is the second largest music market in the world, and J-pop artists cares about their large population they have in Japan that they decided to promote their song only in Japan. J-Pop MV are in simply in poor quality and short ver. But even some people noticed and complained why there are so few J-Drama on streaming websites like viki: http://discussions.viki.com/t/so-few-j-drama-on-viki/15564 and some users even requested for more J-Drama to licensored on viki too: https://discussions.viki.com/t/need-more-japanese-licensed-dramas-and-movies/14416 I feel sorry for people who have deep interest in J-Drama wants more of catalog, this is really ironic the fact that Viki is now being owned by Rakuten (which is a Japanese company), it could have lead more licensing J-Drama, but that didn't workred out and makes mdo7 even more heartbroken. (sorry for my poor english) |
Mar 26, 2018 12:22 PM
#226
| Since when is listening Korean pop songs when you are not even korean considered normal ? |
Mar 26, 2018 1:04 PM
#227
Ekaen said: Since when is listening Korean pop songs when you are not even korean considered normal ? It means you are an international K-Pop, K-Pop was once promoted to local market back in the day, but after realizing how small market it was to sustain its sell, they decided to sell their K-Pop songs to the international markets. K-Pop began in early-1990s while J-Pop started out in 1960s. In fact, the majority of the fanbases of J-Pop is predominatly Japanese and there aren't too much internation fans who are fans of J-Pop, some people spectalulates (espacially mdo7) there we're K-Pop fans who we're J-Pop fans back in 2000s but they got tired and they converted into K-Pop fans after seeing how J-Pop don't tour internationally. I feel like K-Pop has a better cherography than J-Pop has, which is why K-Pop overtook J-Pop in terms of popularity because of amazing cherography, western-style suit music, as well as having an HQ MVs on Youtube. It dosen't mean that J-Pop won't die in the near future, there are still few international fans of J-Pop yet. But the one thing problem that J-Pop aren't good at promoting themselves to the overseas at all. (sorry for my poor english) |
Mar 26, 2018 1:07 PM
#228
| I did litsening to J-Pop songs a few times back in 2000s when Animax was broadcasting in Serbia before digital tv makers decided to rotate into Disney Channel (which was formerly Jetix) and i never know of these J-Pop artists. But i know one song peformed by K-Pop artists was Bleach third ending by Yonhua and Inuyasha 4rd ending by Boa, and i never realized that they we're Korean singers until K-Pop become very popular in the mid-2010s. Sorry for my poor English. |
Apr 6, 2018 9:39 AM
#229
hotsushikun said: So, hello guys, i am new here. I've notice this thread a very long time ago, and the idiot mdo7 has been talking a lot of how Korea doing better than Japan are makes me strange, he posts a lot of article and yotubes about it. This type was already acknowledged from Popsuri here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQRc0WB35k And another video on how Japan isn't good at promoting its pop culture and another video on how to promote their culture more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-37AE21PPk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1SyyoWgeL8 Is that you, Aca Vuksa? You are the troll not me. Maybe you should ask why aren't J-pop singers considering the idea of remaking Japanese songs into Koreans when a Chinese artists can do that? If K-pop artists can remake their Korean song into Japanese, then why can't J-pop artists do the same by remaking their songs into Korean. I've seen foreign artists pandering to K-pop by remaking their song into Korean and market it as K-pop. Maybe J-pop artists should do the same, we just saw Honey Popcorn getting a lot of attention in South Korea and from K-pop's fandom worldwide. |
Apr 7, 2018 4:50 AM
#230
mdo7 said: hotsushikun said: So, hello guys, i am new here. I've notice this thread a very long time ago, and the idiot mdo7 has been talking a lot of how Korea doing better than Japan are makes me strange, he posts a lot of article and yotubes about it. This type was already acknowledged from Popsuri here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQRc0WB35k And another video on how Japan isn't good at promoting its pop culture and another video on how to promote their culture more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-37AE21PPk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1SyyoWgeL8 Is that you, Aca Vuksa? You are the troll not me. Maybe you should ask why aren't J-pop singers considering the idea of remaking Japanese songs into Koreans when a Chinese artists can do that? If K-pop artists can remake their Korean song into Japanese, then why can't J-pop artists do the same by remaking their songs into Korean. I've seen foreign artists pandering to K-pop by remaking their song into Korean and market it as K-pop. Maybe J-pop artists should do the same, we just saw Honey Popcorn getting a lot of attention in South Korea and from K-pop's fandom worldwide. Now litsen you what i said, the majority of J-Pop artists never learned Chiense or Korean language at all, so they can't release remake these songs into Korean and Chinese langauges at all. The fact you are trying brining this topic makes you look like an idiot and have yearn for what you wish. I have no power to change and make J-Pop do the same what you want, if you are willing to do so. Then just go to to Japan, and hold a large protest to the goverment for an inaccessbility to the J-Pop songs. You are such an nothing but an brash, idiot and jerkass who can't give an J-Pop songs exposure. Man, i wish if they had do that, you've could have stopped making this topic a lot. And of course, i am Aca Vuksa and i am Hotsushi-kun as well. I have Popsori, whose name is Jason Yu, whom he knows about this and you should learn from this guy. And unlike you, he is much calmer and dosen't care or worries about Japan not exporting J-Pop and J-Drama to the world. (sorry for my poor english) |
Apr 7, 2018 4:55 AM
#231
hotsushikun said: mdo7 said: hotsushikun said: So, hello guys, i am new here. I've notice this thread a very long time ago, and the idiot mdo7 has been talking a lot of how Korea doing better than Japan are makes me strange, he posts a lot of article and yotubes about it. This type was already acknowledged from Popsuri here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQRc0WB35k And another video on how Japan isn't good at promoting its pop culture and another video on how to promote their culture more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-37AE21PPk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1SyyoWgeL8 Is that you, Aca Vuksa? You are the troll not me. Maybe you should ask why aren't J-pop singers considering the idea of remaking Japanese songs into Koreans when a Chinese artists can do that? If K-pop artists can remake their Korean song into Japanese, then why can't J-pop artists do the same by remaking their songs into Korean. I've seen foreign artists pandering to K-pop by remaking their song into Korean and market it as K-pop. Maybe J-pop artists should do the same, we just saw Honey Popcorn getting a lot of attention in South Korea and from K-pop's fandom worldwide. Now litsen you what i said, the majority of J-Pop artists never learned Chiense or Korean language at all, so they can't release remake these songs into Korean and Chinese langauges at all. The fact you are trying brining this topic makes you look like an idiot and have yearn for what you wish. I have no power to change and make J-Pop do the same what you want, if you are willing to do so. Then just go to to Japan, and hold a large protest to the goverment for an inaccessbility to the J-Pop songs. You are such an nothing but an brash, idiot and jerkass who can't give an J-Pop songs exposure. Man, i wish if they had do that, you've could have stopped making this topic a lot. And of course, i am Aca Vuksa and i am Hotsushi-kun as well. I have Popsori, whose name is Jason Yu, whom he knows about this and you should learn from this guy. And unlike you, he is much calmer and dosen't care or worries about Japan not exporting J-Pop and J-Drama to the world. (sorry for my poor english) And by the way, do you have an Youtube account, just go and ask this guy and do the same wacky thing and he'll block you. |
Apr 7, 2018 4:56 AM
#232
| Because no one likes weabs, that's sadly a truth. |
Apr 7, 2018 7:58 AM
#233
hotsushikun said: Now litsen you what i said, the majority of J-Pop artists never learned Chiense or Korean language at all, so they can't release remake these songs into Korean and Chinese langauges at all. The fact you are trying brining this topic makes you look like an idiot and have yearn for what you wish. Dude, I'm not alone I've seen other people agreeing with me that if J-pop want to get the same type of fame like K-pop they're getting, they have to pander to K-pop fanbases. Meaning they should remake Japanese music into Korean to make it work. And the Japanese artists never learning Korean or Chinese is not an excuse, there's a lot of K-pop artists that don't speak fluent Japanese or Chinese and yet they still record songs in Chinese or Japanese. If K-pop can do that, then J-pop can do the same. hotsushikun said: I have no power to change and make J-Pop do the same what you want, if you are willing to do so. Then just go to to Japan, and hold a large protest to the goverment for an inaccessbility to the J-Pop songs. Actually they can, they're too lazy or don't have the same passion like K-pop fandom does? When Universal Music tried to region block K-pop, K-pop fans raise hell: K-Pop Fans Raise Hell After Popular Videos Get Blocked on YouTube BTS Fans Outraged at Universal Music Group Japan Due To Alleged Unfair Copyright Claims If K-pop fan can do this, then why can't J-pop fandom do the same. Why didn't you take inspiration from these K-pop activism and applied the same thing for J-pop? It seem like J-pop fandom can't do what K-pop did when it comes to activism, I mean let me quote this article: AramaJapan said: I’ve noticed here and on other sites people saying that they have no plan to vote for Dempagumi.inc because they don’t like them and / or because they give Japanese music a bad image. But shouldn’t this be something Japanese music fans rally behind? I mean, KPop fans do this all the time. They’ll vote for an act they’re not a fan of simply to further the KPop cause. This is how Big Bang won Best Worldwide Act at the 2011 MTV EMA. This is how Girls’ Generation won Best Music Video at the YouTube Music Awards in 2013. This article is correct and nobody raises hell when AKB48 MVs got blocked on Youtube compared to what K-pop fandom reacted when Universal Music tried to block K-pop on Youtube. You are such an nothing but an brash, idiot and jerkass who can't give an J-Pop songs exposure. Man, i wish if they had do that, you've could have stopped making this topic a lot. And you are stalking me on Facebook and Quora. And yet you called me a jerk when I'm telling the truth. I have Popsori, whose name is Jason Yu, whom he knows about this and you should learn from this guy. And unlike you, he is much calmer and dosen't care or worries about Japan not exporting J-Pop and J-Drama to the world. And J-pop won't go anywhere beyond Asia if J-pop fans in the west don't learn how to raise hell like their K-pop counterpart. If I was that guy I would called on all J-pop fans to do what K-pop and BTS fans did when Universal Music blocked K-pop. (sorry for my poor english) Шта онда радите овде? Зашто трошиш време како ме удараш, ако желиш да Ј-поп буде доступан свијету, онда уради оно што је фан К-поп урадио када је Универсал Мусиц покушао да блокира К-поп: РАИСЕ ХЕЛЛ !!! English translation: Then what are you doing here? Why do you waste your time bashing me, if you want to make J-pop accessible to the world, then do what K-pop fan did when Universal Music tried to block K-pop: RAISE HELL!!! |
Apr 7, 2018 8:03 AM
#234
Swagernator said: Because no one likes weabs, that's sadly a truth. And somehow the same people that don't like Weeaboo are OK with Korean pop culture fans, they're even OK with rabid K-pop fans. See this is how the alt-right can lure a disgruntled J-pop fans into white supremacy. It's because J-pop get demonized and K-pop get all the praises. |
Apr 7, 2018 8:40 AM
#235
mdo7 said: Swagernator said: Because no one likes weabs, that's sadly a truth. And somehow the same people that don't like Weeaboo are OK with Korean pop culture fans, they're even OK with rabid K-pop fans. See this is how the alt-right can lure a disgruntled J-pop fans into white supremacy. It's because J-pop get demonized and K-pop get all the praises. What in the shit has alt-right to do with weabs, K-pop and J-pop ? |
Apr 7, 2018 9:45 AM
#236
I take it you didn't know about the alt-right having a weird fetish for Japan: Here's Why There's Anime Fan Art Of President Trump All Over Your Facebook The Origins of Anti-Semitic Anime Inspired by Donald Trump If these people have a weird obsession with Japan, then it's very likely they may have adopted a anti-Korean and anti-Chinese ideology given that Japan has a not good relation with the Korean people: Zaitokukai Anti-Korean Wave in Japan turns political Japan's 'Internet Nationalists' Really Hate Koreans Nationalist Osaka preschool draws heat for distributing slurs against Koreans and Chinese I have seen several western white J-pop fans expressing anti-Korean and anti-Chinese bigotry, so that worried me. If a white J-pop fan from US and Europe who feels like their favorite music get demonized and yet K-pop get more attention and more favorable reception then J-pop, then that J-pop fan could be lured to white supremacy. |
Apr 7, 2018 12:38 PM
#237
mdo7 said: I take it you didn't know about the alt-right having a weird fetish for Japan: Here's Why There's Anime Fan Art Of President Trump All Over Your Facebook The Origins of Anti-Semitic Anime Inspired by Donald Trump If these people have a weird obsession with Japan, then it's very likely they may have adopted a anti-Korean and anti-Chinese ideology given that Japan has a not good relation with the Korean people: Zaitokukai Anti-Korean Wave in Japan turns political Japan's 'Internet Nationalists' Really Hate Koreans Nationalist Osaka preschool draws heat for distributing slurs against Koreans and Chinese I have seen several western white J-pop fans expressing anti-Korean and anti-Chinese bigotry, so that worried me. If a white J-pop fan from US and Europe who feels like their favorite music get demonized and yet K-pop get more attention and more favorable reception then J-pop, then that J-pop fan could be lured to white supremacy. This guy also loves political and much more. Man, i can't hardly believe he is doing this, and you kept telling all the things that J-Pop wants popular to the world, but it can't, because you are not from Japan at all. If you want go to Japan, then travel there and hold a very long protest to the goverment to relax their copyright laws. And litsen, i don't care if J-Pop wants to get popular worldwide, it dosen't derserve it. I know how K-Pop songs are much more westernized and J-Pop musics stays in Japanese styles. J-Pop MVs on Youtube are even in poor quality, hah, i can't hardly believe how weird Japan is and most of them are short ver. And as what Popsori said, Japan needs to make their songs more westernized and more J-Pop artists to sing in English. I respect to the Popsori more than anyone else. (sorry for my poor English) |
Apr 7, 2018 12:42 PM
#238
hotsushikun said: mdo7 said: I take it you didn't know about the alt-right having a weird fetish for Japan: Here's Why There's Anime Fan Art Of President Trump All Over Your Facebook The Origins of Anti-Semitic Anime Inspired by Donald Trump If these people have a weird obsession with Japan, then it's very likely they may have adopted a anti-Korean and anti-Chinese ideology given that Japan has a not good relation with the Korean people: Zaitokukai Anti-Korean Wave in Japan turns political Japan's 'Internet Nationalists' Really Hate Koreans Nationalist Osaka preschool draws heat for distributing slurs against Koreans and Chinese I have seen several western white J-pop fans expressing anti-Korean and anti-Chinese bigotry, so that worried me. If a white J-pop fan from US and Europe who feels like their favorite music get demonized and yet K-pop get more attention and more favorable reception then J-pop, then that J-pop fan could be lured to white supremacy. This guy also loves political and much more. Man, i can't hardly believe he is doing this, and you kept telling all the things that J-Pop wants popular to the world, but it can't, because you are not from Japan at all. If you want go to Japan, then travel there and hold a very long protest to the goverment to relax their copyright laws. And litsen, i don't care if J-Pop wants to get popular worldwide, it dosen't derserve it. I know how K-Pop songs are much more westernized and J-Pop musics stays in Japanese styles. J-Pop MVs on Youtube are even in poor quality, hah, i can't hardly believe how weird Japan is and most of them are short ver. And as what Popsori said, Japan needs to make their songs more westernized and more J-Pop artists to sing in English. I respect to the Popsori more than anyone else. (sorry for my poor English) Also, i am getting more into K-Pop, as well as K-Drama. I am interested in Pokemon as well, and other games like Cuphead, Need for Speed: Payback and more. I have no interested in you at all. I just came here to see what's the problem with you. And by the way, just go and watch Popsori's youtube videos he made and comment to him. And do like an idiotic ways that he will block you for good. Just trust me. (sorry for my poor English) |
Apr 8, 2018 7:02 AM
#239
hotsushikun said: This guy also loves political and much more. Man, i can't hardly believe he is doing this, and you kept telling all the things that J-Pop wants popular to the world, but it can't, because you are not from Japan at all. If you want go to Japan, then travel there and hold a very long protest to the goverment to relax their copyright laws. And litsen, i don't care if J-Pop wants to get popular worldwide, it dosen't derserve it. I know how K-Pop songs are much more westernized and J-Pop musics stays in Japanese styles. You didn't answer my question: mdo7 said: K-Pop Fans Raise Hell After Popular Videos Get Blocked on YouTube BTS Fans Outraged at Universal Music Group Japan Due To Alleged Unfair Copyright Claims If K-pop fan can do this, then why can't J-pop fandom do the same. Why didn't you take inspiration from these K-pop activism and applied the same thing for J-pop? Why didn't J-pop fans around the world raise hell like their K-pop counterpart when J-pop MVs got blocked on Youtube. You might not care if J-pop might not be popular around the world, but it will drive some J-pop fans to be racist toward Koreans because they're jealous for K-pop's global success. Let me ask you this Aca Vuksa, what do you think will happen if some racist J-pop fans called K-pop's popularity "white genocide"? One alt-right has already attacked K-pop and called BTS a "lesbian group". If a J-pop fan who hated K-pop saw that, some of them may have already thought if these people hate K-pop like they do, then they're willing to hate blacks, and Jews just because they share one thing they hate: K-pop and Koreans. Are you going to defend K-pop Aca Vuksa if some of those rabid racist J-pop fans decide to attack K-pop and it's fandom, what do you do if some of these K-pop haters called K-pop's popularity as "white genocide"? Are you going to defend K-pop, or do you side with J-pop fandom and go along with racist bashing against Koreans? @Swagernator |
Apr 8, 2018 12:17 PM
#240
mdo7 said: hotsushikun said: This guy also loves political and much more. Man, i can't hardly believe he is doing this, and you kept telling all the things that J-Pop wants popular to the world, but it can't, because you are not from Japan at all. If you want go to Japan, then travel there and hold a very long protest to the goverment to relax their copyright laws. And litsen, i don't care if J-Pop wants to get popular worldwide, it dosen't derserve it. I know how K-Pop songs are much more westernized and J-Pop musics stays in Japanese styles. You didn't answer my question: mdo7 said: K-Pop Fans Raise Hell After Popular Videos Get Blocked on YouTube BTS Fans Outraged at Universal Music Group Japan Due To Alleged Unfair Copyright Claims If K-pop fan can do this, then why can't J-pop fandom do the same. Why didn't you take inspiration from these K-pop activism and applied the same thing for J-pop? Why didn't J-pop fans around the world raise hell like their K-pop counterpart when J-pop MVs got blocked on Youtube. You might not care if J-pop might not be popular around the world, but it will drive some J-pop fans to be racist toward Koreans because they're jealous for K-pop's global success. Let me ask you this Aca Vuksa, what do you think will happen if some racist J-pop fans called K-pop's popularity "white genocide"? One alt-right has already attacked K-pop and called BTS a "lesbian group". If a J-pop fan who hated K-pop saw that, some of them may have already thought if these people hate K-pop like they do, then they're willing to hate blacks, and Jews just because they share one thing they hate: K-pop and Koreans. Are you going to defend K-pop Aca Vuksa if some of those rabid racist J-pop fans decide to attack K-pop and it's fandom, what do you do if some of these K-pop haters called K-pop's popularity as "white genocide"? Are you going to defend K-pop, or do you side with J-pop fandom and go along with racist bashing against Koreans? @Swagernator I don't care if J-Pop ended getting blocked on Youtube at all, its all because they have a different reasons on what the song can be sold to regionally. My brother and his friend got admitted litsening to both K-Pop and J-Pop songs, and they found their songs really nice. I can even watch ABK48 MV too since my country is not an region blocked, AKB48 songs is almost blocked only for US audience. J-Pop artists could rather peform in concert to Brazil to the Japanese-Brazilians people (Brazil is home to the largest Japanese community outside of Japan). (sorry for my poor english) |
May 25, 2018 4:23 PM
#241
| Recently I was on Quora (yes I have an account by the way) and an interesting question did come up about J-pop not getting the same type of popularity outside of Asia particularly AKB48, and Morning Musume. Now I agreed with many of the Quora users giving their answers and their insight. I gave my answer too (along with evidences/observation that no other Quora users have brought up on their answers). Some of the users on that Quora thread gave some very interesting answers and it does answer some question why J-pop wasn't able to get the same type of popularity in the west like K-pop got. So yes I had a friendly conversation with Quora users about their insight on the "mainstream appeal" gap between J-pop and K-pop. So far I couldn't get the answer I wanted. There are still question that need to be answer for J-pop (I may have brought this up before): 1/What happened in 2009-2010 that made a lot of J-pop fans quit J-pop and stick to K-pop? Why did these former J-pop turned K-pop fans never returned to J-pop? 2/What is turning off K-pop fans from trying out J-pop other then accessibility issues? There's couple of stuff I noticed about how people react to J-pop and K-pop. Anyone that doesn't know K-pop and J-pop and they watched both, a lot of them seem to lean to K-pop. The shocking part is that when K-pop does concept similar to J-pop like Dreamcatcher for example: Dreamcatcher's song sound a lot like J-pop/J-rock. And somehow Dreamcatcher are able to get more international fans then AKB48. That make me scratch my head. I still can't figure out how people accept Dreamcatcher but can't accept J-pop. |
May 26, 2018 7:38 AM
#242
| because people choose the wrong people to widely accept into society. kpop fans shouldn't be widely accepted. |
Edward Elric > your waifu |
May 26, 2018 7:46 AM
#243
Dlwuik said: because people choose the wrong people to widely accept into society. kpop fans shouldn't be widely accepted. Why do you think K-pop fans shouldn't be accepted widely? I mean I understand it cause people to look down on J-pop and C-pop. But you can't just be angry at K-pop just because it out-did J-pop and C-pop on international level. Also, there was a time when J-pop had a larger fandom then K-pop before 2009/2010. But I still don't know why and what cause J-pop fandom to just collapse and allowed K-pop to become what it is now. |
May 26, 2018 10:43 AM
#244
| kpop fans aren't even that much accepted lmao yes there are a lot of us but literally everyone hates us, this went around twitter a couple days ago look at the rts lolol https://twitter.com/thekosmoball/status/997987219213312001 |
May 26, 2018 1:04 PM
#245
| thanks in part to some of this being destroyed by the government system and somewhere along the way they been "told" or forced to believe that Japan and China bad but Korea good, then that's a start. however, a darker nature involves weebs. unfortunately those little douches can literally ruin the fun of just about anything with their limited knowledge of something. this includes knowing all the ending/opening themes in Japanese, etc. otherwise I cannot reflect further because no one seems to care in my area, however ear headbands tend to scare people away from me before the actual low singing so I can only go on personal research here. and yes, random meowing can also clear a shopping isle pretty fast. |
Nov 13, 2018 6:55 PM
#246
Asena said: kpop fans aren't even that much accepted lmao yes there are a lot of us but literally everyone hates us, this went around twitter a couple days ago look at the rts lolol https://twitter.com/thekosmoball/status/997987219213312001 So how did they reacted when they saw BTS ranked #1 on Billboard 200 chart, or winning a lot of awards in the US. How did they react to EXO charting high on Billboard 200 chart? Usagi_miko said: thanks in part to some of this being destroyed by the government system and somewhere along the way they been "told" or forced to believe that Japan and China bad but Korea good, then that's a start. however, a darker nature involves weebs. unfortunately those little douches can literally ruin the fun of just about anything with their limited knowledge of something. this includes knowing all the ending/opening themes in Japanese, etc. otherwise I cannot reflect further because no one seems to care in my area, however ear headbands tend to scare people away from me before the actual low singing so I can only go on personal research here. and yes, random meowing can also clear a shopping isle pretty fast. Well that doesn't make sense. A lot of K-pop fans from 2009 were former J-pop fans themselves, when K-pop became popular and surpass J-pop, the J-pop's international fanbase decline. When these former J-pop fans became K-pop fans they never went back to J-pop, so what is preventing these former J-pop fans from coming back to J-pop? Why aren't J-pop fanbases raising hell when J-pop MVs get blocked when K-pop fandom can do this? |
Nov 21, 2018 3:18 PM
#247
| I think they're just as accepted, the popularity just isn't as wide. To be honest, I've never met anyone in real life who has considered anime or Japanese music of any kind, to be weird. Barely online either. In fact, I'd even say that Japanese culture is wildly more accepted than Korean. It's just the idols that Korea is generally known for, and often they're lumped together with North Korea, some people don't even make the effort to know the difference that Korea isn't just North. Kpop is just a trend for the world right now, (I'm not trying to insult it, I've listened to and loved kpop for years.) but the hype will go down in time. |
Nov 26, 2018 8:10 PM
#248
ungjae said: To be honest, I've never met anyone in real life who has considered anime or Japanese music of any kind, to be weird. Barely online either. In fact, I'd even say that Japanese culture is wildly more accepted than Korean. It's just the idols that Korea is generally known for, and often they're lumped together with North Korea, some people don't even make the effort to know the difference that Korea isn't just North. Kpop is just a trend for the world right now, (I'm not trying to insult it, I've listened to and loved kpop for years.) but the hype will go down in time. I don't think it's going down thanks to BTS. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention: It's helping other K-pop group too like for example: Yeah BTS and other K-pop groups are getting a lot of attention in the US. Meanwhile J-pop group can't even replicate what K-pop idols are getting. |
Nov 26, 2018 8:15 PM
#249
Nov 26, 2018 8:18 PM
#250
ungjae said: @mdo7 I've been paying attention just fine lmao. I didn't mean it in a way that says kpop will become unloved and less popular. I meant as in, eventually it will become a norm, and the amount of people saying"woah what's this?" and being shocked by it will be lessened. Oh, OK I thought you said K-pop will decline like almost in the same manner as some anime fans said anime is declining. But when K-pop became more well-known, some anime (and J-pop fans) have wondered why J-pop couldn't replicate the same success like K-pop got. |
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