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May 30, 2015 2:52 PM
#101
May 30, 2015 4:57 PM
#102
| Because people usually group J-Pop with the anime pervs. |
May 30, 2015 7:09 PM
#103
| Because Korean pop music is better than Japanese pop music. |
May 30, 2015 7:12 PM
#104
Milk_is_Special said: I don't think that's a pop song...Because J-Pop doesn't have THAT cool of music videos, and it generally sounds good which is something pop music isn't used to. Also a good example of J-Pop with a boring video but a really good song is: |
May 30, 2015 7:17 PM
#105
| a few of my friends actually have jpop as a guilty pleasure for them, but yeah there are more out of those i know who like kpop, albeit few. kpop has been integrated pretty heavily recently into western culture...it follows a similar style to western pop imo |
May 30, 2015 7:19 PM
#106
Remv_quevav said: This is a question that is bothering me 4 days. In our country, Kpop culture (including K-dramas and songs) influences are rampant. Fans of it are widely accepted in the society and they can sing Korean songs freely in public whereas if u are Jpop culture (this includes anime) fan u r viewed as weirdos or nerds. Wut is ur opinion about it? From what country are you from? |
May 30, 2015 8:11 PM
#107
May 30, 2015 11:41 PM
#109
| adding j/k to a music genre makes me disregard it immediatly |
May 31, 2015 12:52 AM
#110
Remv_quevav said: kawaii-despair said: in my country you're a weirdo if you like either chinese cartoons or chinese dramas chinese dramas are worse (but I know what u mean) here they hav this C Drama that airs during sundays and it was recurring in decades IN DECADES!!!! until now, they air it i am pretty sure it was a joke. over here people call everything out of asia chineese, anime is chineese cartoons, korean dramas are chineese dramas. like god.. i was at a japanese restaurant with my familiy last week, it said on the damn door ''Yamasaki, sushi & teppanyaki'' and half the people called it chineese food. |
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Jun 17, 2015 9:17 PM
#111
| Because of Weeaboos...despite what anyone else would protest, but this is the reason. |
Dec 26, 2015 11:04 AM
#112
Remv_quevav said: This is a question that is bothering me 4 days. In our country, Kpop culture (including K-dramas and songs) influences are rampant. Fans of it are widely accepted in the society and they can sing Korean songs freely in public whereas if u are Jpop culture (this includes anime) fan u r viewed as weirdos or nerds. Wut is ur opinion about it? I kind of stumble upon this thread by accident when I google around. I apologize if I revive the thread but I do agree that K-pop is getting more accepted judging from how it's getting in the US: It's already getting radio airplay: Billboard article: 2NE1's I am the best getting radio airplay AOA's like cat heard on Sirius XM Radio Just for the record, I never heard of J-pop getting this airplay (although somebody on Allkpop forum has claimed that J soul brothers did get a airplay on Sirius XM radio, but that's it) in the US. A few days ago, during a NFL game, K-pop got played before going to a commercial break. Itunes in the US just opened up a special section for K-pop (something that J-pop nor J-rock was never able to do): Soompi Koreaboo I think many of you know about Billboard creating a column for K-pop. So if K-pop can be accepted then J-pop can. Also I'm seeing K-pop fans branching out to other Asian pop like Taiwanese pop. But for some odd reason they're not branching out to J-pop when many of the K-pop fans were former J-pop fans. Regarding J-pop being too weird to be accepted outside of Japan/Asia If J-pop was too weird to be accepted by western audiences outside of Japan. Then how did K-pop get accepted when they have share of weird MVs, concepts, etc... I mean look at Big Bang, they have million of fans around the world and won numerous awards and recognition around the world and they have 2 weird MVs that made them famous around the world: Even one of SNSD/Girls Generation video had 100 million view and is weird if you watched it: Yet this video helped won them an award from Youtube: I can say the same for Crayon Pop, the video was weird on the same level as J-pop: And after that video went viral, Lady Gaga took them on a US tour (Babymetal wasn't the only one) The same can be said about Red Velvet: this video from them and the concept in the video was weird, and yet it made it on the top 10 music video from Rolling Stone (2nd source: Soompi) I can find many weird K-pop MVs that got accepted in the west: Dramafever article Buzzfeed article So how could J-pop not being accepted in the west because it was too weird be an excuse when K-pop has that same weirdness MVs and concept found in J-pop too got accepted? |
mdo7Dec 27, 2015 12:59 PM
Dec 26, 2015 11:38 AM
#114
| Im not really into K-Pop but first thing people ALWAYS says is "they have cool videos" so I guess is that, I've only listened to a few K-pop songs and I wouldn't say its better than J-pop. |
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Dec 26, 2015 12:13 PM
#115
| The one thing that does bother me about J-pop on couple of thing. accessibility issue Accessibility is one of the big reason J-pop couldn't replicate the same success like K-pop on a global scale: Onehallyu article ANN's Answerman: Why is it so tough to buy Japanese digital media downloads? Can J-Pop replicate success of K-Pop? Arama Japan-MAN ARRESTED IN JAPAN FOR UPLOADING TELEVISION SHOWS ON DAILYMOTION I mean a lot of J-pop MVs on Youtube are region-blocked (not related to Youtube Red issue), and there seem to be quite a few J-pop on Itunes and Spotify (ie: Avex removing their artists from Itunes in 2011 and putting some back on US Itunes in 2013). not embracing the international fandom/fanbases Also J-pop seem to not take the international fans when K-pop idol does this. I highly doubt you'll see J-pop idols doing this: We don't even have a J-pop equivalent of the V app: Yonhap news article KoreAm magazine article I can tell you that you'll never see something like this for J-pop. So this is making it harder for J-pop to get the same acceptance like K-pop. |
mdo7Dec 26, 2015 12:14 PM
Jan 23, 2016 1:52 PM
#116
stormx3 said: Well even K-pop fans aren't that widely accepted, but generally K-pop is just a lot more... normal, than J-pop. People associate J-pop with being weird and appealing to paedophilia. K-pop has it's own weirdness as I pointed out in one of my post. I've seen some K-pop music video that even out-weird J-pop and yet those get accepted amongst the mainstream outside of Asia. So if the weirdness in K-pop (even the one that are weirder then J-pop) is accepted amongst the mainstream outside of Asia, then what's preventing J-pop from being accepted too? You know this reminds me of an article I read from Korea Times and I'll quote this part from the article: KoreaTimes said: “When I was young, we’d tell people we were Japanese, because it was cool to be Japanese at the time,” the former president of South Korea’s only English-language government-affiliated network, Arirang TV, told a crowd inside the University of Southern California’s Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism Wednesday. Her point? It’s now cooler to be Korean, all thanks to a little craze called K-pop. Long time ago, when Japan was cool and South Korea was not, a lot of Korean marketed their stuff as Japanese to get attention and audiences, fast forward to today and we all saw Japan is not deemed "cool" anymore and South Korea take that title. Could the reverse happen? It's a possibility, I wouldn't be surprised if a J-pop idol decided to sign up with a Korean label/agency and release a Korean-language single or album just so people outside of Asia can take notice. I mean why do you think Jackie Chan created a K-pop group and not a J-pop one, and look what happened. The same thing happened for Taiwanese actor, Chen Bolin when he signed with a Korean agency. Factor in the accessibility issues, and K-pop fans not branching out to J-pop, so how do you get fans of K-pop into J-pop? I'm afraid that'll happen somewhere in the future. What really baffle me is how this large group of K-pop female trainees (part of a survival program called Produce 101) got more attention (and accepted) around the world and yet AKB48 couldn't get this same type of attention like Produce 101 got: Just to remind people, it's not a real girl group but part of a survival show. But this has been compared to AKB48 and yet this large group of K-pop trainees on a survival show got more attention and fans worldwide then AKB48, I mean what the hell? If they can accept this, then how come AKB48 don't get a big fanbases beyond Japan/Asia. Also, the company that made Produce 101 wants to create a 24 members boy group that'll debut in the future, it has been compared to AKB48 from some media sources. |
mdo7Jan 23, 2016 1:58 PM
Jan 23, 2016 7:08 PM
#117
StevenHu said: -Oreki-Houtarou- said: even though they didn't understand a single word, they would cheer for them because of the looks not the music. People and their useless knowledge. I really liked EXO-M's songs, much of it due to me being able to understand it. R.I.P. EXO-M. SHHHH OT6, OT6!! 16morewords... |
Jan 23, 2016 7:22 PM
#118
stormx3 said: The difference between the two, when taking an objective stance, is that there is a large stigma in towards people (generally foreigners) who take an interest in any kind of Japanese culture -- whether it be anime, manga, or their pop. They're simply being weeaboos, after all! Moreover, and it's not a secret, that Japan definitely likes incorporating lolita aspects into all of their media, and their pop is no exception. Korean pop does the same, as anyone who has seen Stellar's latest comeback would know, however in Japan it's just far more prominent, exaggerated and embraced. If you compare Stellar's 'lolita outfits' compared to say, those worn by the girls in Babylady, you'd definitely be able to say that one pulls off the look while the other just looks crazy. Regarding the lolita concept. There's been some concern about K-pop adopting the lolita look, I'm glad you mention it because there been controversies in Korea about some of the lolita photoshoot that involved K-pop idol. To be honest, looking at these, some of these photo have already reached the same level as Gravure photoshooting in Japan. Also there's been worries that the lolita concept in K-pop maybe going too far like almost on the same level as J-pop one, although South Korea's lolita concept are nothing new. But there's concern about it in South Korea and international fans are raising that similar concern. The difference nowadays is that Japanese music that makes it mainstream only does so because it's weird and Westerners want to laugh at it. Whereas any kpop that makes it mainstream is because it's sexy (Eunsol of Bambino, anyone?), or funny (me gustas tu... *breaks leg), or the like. But Psy became famous because of his weird music video like Gangnam Style, and Daddy (the same can be said about Big Bang and 2NE1). Yet those get a lot of positive views then being ridiculed unlike J-pop. The weirdness in K-pop is what made it gone viral unlike J-pop. As I said, I can find other K-pop MVs that "out-weird" J-pop: Yet these all got accepted by people that aren't K-pop fans. So how could these weird K-pop MVs (which has similar concept like J-pop) be accepted, yet a weird J-pop MV doesn't get accepted at all. I'm telling you, maybe some of the J-pop act may have to sing in Korean in order for people outside of Asia to accept them. I mean it does explain why Japanese classes in US colleges/university has been declining for the last few years: And yes, when Japanese went down Korean jumped up and it got a lot of attention from mainstream media like LA Times, NPR, and VOA. So anime is not getting people learning Japanese language when K-pop and K-dramas are motivating people to learn Korean. If things from Japan like The Hoopers, Sekai no Owari or Tomomi Itano made it viral there'd definitely be a shift in what people thought of jpop fans. Maybe, or they may have to end up singing in Korean in order to get more audiences outside of Asia. I mean long time ago when J-pop got famous in Asia, it attracted a lot of singers from Asia to enter the Japanese market not only because it was the 2nd largest music market, because Japan was a trendsetter. I mean that's why Faye Wong entered the Japanese music market back then, but you don't see her releasing Japanese album or single anymore. As I stated in one of my post, there are problem with K-pop fans not branching out to other Asian pop like J-pop (although I'm seeing K-pop fans taking a shot at Taiwanese pop, probably thanks to Taiwanese dramas gaining some popularity). I'm seeing some foreign singers from Asia have expressed interest of entering the Korean market. So if K-pop get more critical acclaim and attention from the mainstream outside of Asia, then we may see non-Korean singers going to South Korea to become big. It's possible that we probably may see J-pop idols may end up singing in Korean language given that music sales has been going down in Japan for the last few years. Also, I'm hearing report from Taiwan that they want to replicate K-pop success, so far their TV dramas are winning a lot of fans in USA and Latin/South America. |
Jan 23, 2016 8:58 PM
#119
there is a proper japanese channel in the uk that shows the drama and and every thing one of them the stream of the real NHK [ not world version unlike KBS] and the other one is half day MBS/TBS and Half BS asahi thats real Japanese tv not the newtred world version that is nor really a tv channel but but more a 24 hour news channhel woth litte thngs spliced in when korea does that fuck KBS world [ its a newterd version of KBS ] if you us get the real KBS like the UK/EU have got real versions of the Japanese Tv example NHK world has news Bulliate evey 1/2 hour the real NHK does not have that is ot cover up a programme thay do not have right too show unlike Jsat one witch is a stream of th real full NHK Netwrk from new to asa dora or tiga to the grand sumo to Japanese Baseball to J leauge soccer need oo go on world versions are the real tv channel sorry but im in fact anti government interjection in art exmaple what what gave you in the us PMRC anyone fuck me your pro government involvement with art then im sorry i will never agrre with you the lack of so called sucess in japanese muisc comes form how diverse it is there is no unity i compere the k pop fan base with the right[ ie unity only one way of doing things and so on] while the Japanese music fan base is like the left a free infusion of ideas like i can list 20 japanese bands loved outsie of japan and very few of them would be of same genre could you do the same for Korean music [ give me pur pay pall and id give you 100o usd if you can] --------------- im waiting |
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Jan 23, 2016 9:31 PM
#120
| We're still having this retarded debate one month later about which is superior? Christ. |
Jan 23, 2016 9:34 PM
#121
It's all right, I'm taking this argument over PM. That'll solve the problem. |
Jan 24, 2016 7:55 AM
#122
stormx3 said: I personally see no argument, I'm just finding it weird that my post gets replied to with questions that I can't possibly answer. (Not attacking you mdo7, you have some perfectly valid points!) Don't worry, I know you and I share similar thought when it comes to how J-pop and K-pop get accepted amongst the mainstream outside of Japan/Asia. stormx3 said: Also Nico, I didn't see this as a question of superiority, if that is what it has turned to then it's quite off topic. As I said, I'm taking this dude argument on PM. So there won't be any more off-topic ranter. you said: You can ask all the relevant questions to me, "why this but not this?", but the fact is I'm going to keep pointing to the stigma attached to being a fan of Japanese culture as the problem. I can't give a better response than this that goes into detail of every example, since I can't explain the illogical or compare a carpet to a frog. All I can say is that it has a lot to do with reputation, mainstream culture/social standards and accessibility. Accessibility is one. But what baffled me is why aren't J-pop fans united to raise hell when K-pop fandom did this in 2013 when Youtube block off K-pop. I mean look: Why J-pop fans didn't do this is beyond me and it seem to confirmed evidence that J-pop fandom aren't unified like their K-pop counterpart. As I said, I'm afraid we may end up seeing Chinese singers (and maybe in the future, Japanese singers) may end up going to South Korea and releasing their songs in Korean in order to get audiences/fanbases outside of Asia. |
mdo7Jan 24, 2016 7:58 AM
Jan 24, 2016 8:18 AM
#123
DateYutaka said: i explain this cause there is no unifed fandom in j muisc cuase look in yt you can get muisc form any of the last 50 years if you know the band name and its a kind of well know band so ou culd like 90's j music in greal for exmaple or just most;y 80's idols like one member of this forums does or you got a huge v kei fan base a small base of GS [ pop rock/power pop from the 60's] or some like me a hardcore metalhead and punk fan and in the k pop fandom [ coming from a fan of k muisc witch i am] know jackshit about what is not fed ot them by the ROK Government I'll talk more about this with you via the PM. Not on this thread. |
Jan 24, 2016 8:21 AM
#124
| I honestly dont think there is a huge difference except for style when it comes to K-pop and J-pop. Honestly, Kpop seems bigger than Jpop, SO much so that many Kpop artists are actually more popular in Japan. I never hear of Japanese idols making Korean albums, but then again, could just be lack of knowledge on my part. However, I think K-pop is more accepted and has more fans in general for a couple reasons. The main reason being that it got popular here in the US. Whether we love it or hate it, Gangnam Style made Kpop more well known. I applause Psy for that, even though his popular songs arent the greatest. Some "weird" Kpop songs are strange but they have a good message like Catellena by Orange Caramel. Though a lot of people see J-Pop things like "Baby Metal" and are like "why does this exist" and that one girl who did Pon Pon Pon. They just turn people off for the most part. J-pop and K-pop just have different sounds honestly. I dunno. Kpop just made it while Jpop didnt and I think thats just the whole explanation. One got popular and one didnt. |
Jan 24, 2016 8:37 AM
#125
Jan 24, 2016 8:40 AM
#126
Salade said: I don't think it's that they are accepted, but rather they are recognised more readily, and that's due to the excessive international promotion that kpop gets through social network. J-pop, on the other hand, is alot more conservative in that approach. Salade said: I don't think it's that they are accepted, but rather they are recognised more readily, and that's due to the excessive international promotion that kpop gets through social network. J-pop, on the other hand, is alot more conservative in that approach. no Japanese artist gte by on talent alone not korean artists get payed an fundded by tthe ROK government thus robiing them of any artistic integatry simple as that |
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Jan 24, 2016 10:45 AM
#127
Slowpoke_ said: I honestly dont think there is a huge difference except for style when it comes to K-pop and J-pop. Honestly, Kpop seems bigger than Jpop, SO much so that many Kpop artists are actually more popular in Japan. That was long time ago, K-pop artists comeback in Japan is becoming less frequent. They're more focused on the Chinese market more then Japan despite the Mainland Chinese market is not on the top 10 global music market. I mean read these: K-pop industry expands reach to Chinese market SM Entertainment Turns Focus Of Artist Promotions From Japan To Chinese Market (2nd sources: Kpop Herald) To quote this from K-pop Herald: KpopHerald said: However, SM chief Lee Soo-man is likely to reduce profits from Japan to 50 percent, while hoping to increase sales in China by 35 percent, said the market researcher. Currently, 70 percent of SM Entertainment's overseas profits comes from Japan. You may want to read this too: Why Chinese firms spend billions on scouting Korean composers Why this happened, well you may want to read these: Rocketnews24-Has Japan’s K-Pop bubble burst? Weakening yen hits major Korean record label hard Kpop Herald-Korean Wave waning in Japan due to political friction I never hear of Japanese idols making Korean albums, but then again, could just be lack of knowledge on my part. You're correct, and I never heard of it too. As a matter of fact, I never seen any Japanese idol taking the Chinese market seriously today (except Morning Musume long time ago) like K-pop are doing right now. However, I think K-pop is more accepted and has more fans in general for a couple reasons. The main reason being that it got popular here in the US. Whether we love it or hate it, Gangnam Style made Kpop more well known. I applause Psy for that, even though his popular songs arent the greatest. Some "weird" Kpop songs are strange but they have a good message like Catellena by Orange Caramel. Though a lot of people see J-Pop things like "Baby Metal" and are like "why does this exist" and that one girl who did Pon Pon Pon. They just turn people off for the most part. Well that doesn't make sense I mean 2 of Big Bang MVs that "outweird" any of J-pop MVs and yet those get accepted by mainstream audiences outside of Asia. Yet when J-pop MVs showed similar concept it doesn't get accepted and ridiculed. So maybe J-pop artists should release songs in Korean in order to be accepted by people outside of Asia. J-pop and K-pop just have different sounds honestly. Maybe, but I've seen K-pop that sound a lot like J-pop and yet those get accepted. Look at Lovelyz performance: Does this remind you of J-pop? Because it does. I mean some of Lovelyz MVs remind me of J-pop whenever i watch it: G-friend songs remind me of J-pop too: I dunno. Kpop just made it while Jpop didnt and I think thats just the whole explanation. One got popular and one didnt. The problem was accessbility, that's one of them. Another problem is why didn't J-pop fans around the world raise hell when J-pop content become almost inaccessible. Also, there's a lot of factors that I'm trying to investigate and there's more question then answer why J-pop didn't go global and why J-pop fandom weren't being vocal when J-pop accessibility became a big issue. Salade said: I don't think it's that they are accepted, but rather they are recognised more readily, and that's due to the excessive international promotion that kpop gets through social network. J-pop, on the other hand, is alot more conservative in that approach. That is correct, I believe it's even harder for International fans to buy stuff from Japan given that most of J-pop/J-music aren't avaliable on Itunes and Spotify in the US. |
Jan 25, 2016 9:20 PM
#128
| Japanese music is highly inaccessible to the average foreigner, honestly. Japanese companies are mostly focused on domestic sales as supposed to international expansion. It's unfortunate, because I really like Japanese music, but the companies take all the measures they can to restrict their content to Japan only, and that not only pisses me off, but I think encourages piracy among international japanese music fans as well. You make that shit inaccessible and what's the next method people are going to turn to? Anyway, when you take into account the popularity of korean music and ratio it compared to say, how many fans there are of average western pop or rock, then the number is actually significantly less a percentage than people think. There's a lot more people who ignorantly don't want to listen to music in a foreign language, as well as those who have nary an idea kpop OR jpop exists, the only difference between the fans is that jpop has a much smaller margin of fans and obviously due to regional restriction gets no airplay or coverage outside of its domestic country, in the West especially. If Japan changes their faulty distribution and selling methods, maybe they could actually push units to a small niche of intntl fans through digital stores, but they don't seem up for it. They still sell fuckin' physical singles there. |
Jan 26, 2016 8:00 AM
#129
dizzyur said: Japanese music is highly inaccessible to the average foreigner, honestly. Japanese companies are mostly focused on domestic sales as supposed to international expansion. It's unfortunate, because I really like Japanese music, but the companies take all the measures they can to restrict their content to Japan only, and that not only pisses me off. It's unfortunate and I agree with you. Accessibility is one of the major issue that is inhibiting J-pop from getting big like their Korean counterpart. you said: but I think encourages piracy among international japanese music fans as well. You make that shit inaccessible and what's the next method people are going to turn to? Or going to K-pop. I've met many K-pop fans that were formerly J-pop fans. Couple of them told me they stopped listening to J-pop because of accessbility. but there still other thing that raises issue with me. you said: Anyway, when you take into account the popularity of korean music and ratio it compared to say, how many fans there are of average western pop or rock, then the number is actually significantly less a percentage than people think. There's a lot more people who ignorantly don't want to listen to music in a foreign language, as well as those who have nary an idea kpop OR jpop exists, the only difference between the fans is that jpop has a much smaller margin of fans and obviously due to regional restriction gets no airplay or coverage outside of its domestic country, in the West especially. No I got a report from Korea Times and Yonhap that confirmed that the fanbases for Hallyu jumped up from last year. To quote Yonhap news article: YonhapNews said: As Korean wave becomes global, the number of enthusiastic fans for Korean culture and food last year increased 63 percent to be 35.59 million over the previous year's number of 21.82 million, according to global hallyu data 2015 published by the Korea Foundation (KF). Also, the number of hallyu fan clubs rose to 1,493 last year in 86 countries, a 21 percent up from the previous year's 1,229. The hallyu boom last year focused on the K-pop music and Korean cuisines in some countries, but specifically, the K-pop craze has expanded to Korean Web dramas and the Korean style of hiphop, called "K-hiphop." As the K-hiphop was so popular recently, tickets for Korean rappers were even sold out in many performances in the United States and Europe, the official said. From a Korea Times article I saw today: KoreaTimes said: The report showed that Korean web dramas and hip-hop music are gaining popularity along with TV series and pop music, which triggered hallyu in the late 1990s and are still popular in a number of countries. "Hallyu fans are turning their attention to web dramas and K-hip hop, although K-pop and TV drama series remain the core of hallyu," a KF official said. "Hallyu is evolving and diversifying." "In the United States and Europe, we've also seen tickets being sold out when K-hip hop artists held concerts there," it said. Meanwhile, the number of hallyu fans hit 35.5 million in 86 countries last year, up from 21.8 million in 2014. The KF explained that in the Americas the number of fans jumped by 183 percent from 2014 to 2015. "It should be noted that there is growing presence of K-pop in the U.S., which leads the global entertainment industry, as well as in Brazil and Mexico that account for the majority of the South American population," it said. The number of hallyu fan clubs abroad increased from 1,229 to 1,493 during 2014 to 15. Peru had 114 fans clubs in 2015, Hungary, 112; Panama, 98; Venezuela, 85; Chile, 79; Mexico, 78; China, 63; Japan, 56; and Thailand, 55. So you see K-pop is already getting more accepted in the US and worldwide. K-pop fans are also branching out to K hip-hop and maybe K-indies too. Let's not forget K-pop act beating western act like T-ara beating One Direction. Big Bang did this last year too. If Japan changes their faulty distribution and selling methods, maybe they could actually push units to a small niche of intntl fans through digital stores, but they don't seem up for it. They still sell fuckin' physical singles there. This I won't disagreed. Until Japan embrace Itunes, J-pop won't be charting on Billboard world album or Itunes charts in the US anytime soon. |
mdo7Jan 26, 2016 10:31 AM
Jan 26, 2016 8:33 AM
#130
| There's couple of thing that bothers me about the J-pop fandom. I've mentioned in one of my post that there's the possibility of the J-pop fandom not being united/unified like the K-pop fandom. I mean I'm going to quote this from the Arama article: AramaJapan said: People often talk about how Japanese music fans internationally aren’t unified, since there are so many kinds of Japanese music that we consume. What do an Ayumi Hamasaki fan and an ONE OK ROCK fan have in common besides them both being Japanese? What do a Sakanaction fan and an AKB48 fan have in common besides them both being Japanese? But should we get over this thinking? One thing that we’ve tried to do with Arama! Japan since our relaunch from LiveJournal is to be more mindful of the various style of Japanese music, in effort to create more unity. When there is more unity, you learn more things and get different perspectives. But whatever was said above, this baffle me and scratch my head more because I'm seeing K-pop fans branching out to other genre in Korean music like K-hip hop and Korean indies. I mean I'll quote this from Kpopstarz: Kpopstarz said: In addition to the Q&A session as part of the Dynamic K-Pop event, Choiza and Gaeko were able to sit down with KpopStarz for an exclusive interview. The engaging conversation provided further insight into the evolution of one of the most prominent acts in Korean hip-hop. Kpopstarz: Korean music has been gaining popularity in the United States within recent years. What do you think contributes to the growing international success of Korean hip-hop? Choiza: Starting with idol groups, the physical appearance of the idols, created a synergistic effect in which fans are really thrilled to see how everything is put together so well. Gaeko: These fans start from the idol groups, then become interested in other genres other than K-Pop. That includes K-Hip-Hop and all that good stuff. Choiza: We are shocked by the audience, every time we appear at an event like this one. When we recently went to Europe for our concert, in Paris, we noticed that it wasn't just Korean-French people attending. It was the actual local French people who came to see us. We were really shocked to see the audience composition, demographic. I'm also seeing report of K-pop fans are probably branching out K-indies because of these: When K-Drama Meets Korean Indie Best of Both Worlds : Korean Pop and Korean Indie Korean indie band beats idol stars Meet SugarBowl and Soulights – K-Indie Scene Update interview with Asian Chairshot and their hope for Korea’s indie music scene I'll quote this from the above article: TFP: Korea’s indie scene is getting more and more active and it is gaining more popularity internationally. What are your thoughts about it? Asian Chairshot: Some bands which are not famous in Korea are famous in other countries and are more accepted by other countries. It’s nice to see the attention and love coming from all these countries but we hope Korea’s indie music scene can develop and prosper domestically too. That would be really great. So if K-pop fans are able to branch out to K hip-hop and K-indies, then why is it so hard for fans of J-rocks/visual kei to branch out to J-pop. I mean if it's possible for a fan of Girls Generation/SNSD to branch out to K-hip hop, then how come a fan of One OK Rock aren't branching out to AKB48? |
Jan 26, 2016 12:51 PM
#131
| well in my society nobody gives a flying f*** which genre you're listening...jpop/k-pop if it's enjoyable then everyone will listen to it & dance to it.... |
Jan 26, 2016 6:23 PM
#132
semss said: i believe listening K-Pop now in many respective country already the same term like heard taylor swift, adele, or anything mainstream right now, compare to japan talk people in general, from what i've seen and experience korea=popular & acceptable, japan=cult, weird weird weird weird That's the general impression from what I've observed from fans of J-pop and K-pop. I won't disagree with you, but about Japan's music being too weird as I previously said, I don't think that's not turning people off because K-pop has those same weirdness you can find in J-pop and yet those get accepted amongst the general audiences outside of Asia (I've seen some K-pop that outweird J-pop in term of concept and music video design). So I don't think that could be it. |
Jan 26, 2016 10:08 PM
#133
| From what i see,k-pop has become mainstream in south asia but remains cult popularity in east asia(Japan,China) |
Jan 26, 2016 11:57 PM
#134
| I perfer african pop The sound of starving children and mufasa falling off a cliff..... just brings tears to my eyes ;-; |
Jan 27, 2016 12:15 AM
#135
| K-pop is accepted? Well I can say at least in Germany it is not xD |
Jan 27, 2016 8:03 AM
#136
semss said: i think i had same conversation with this topic, maybe on q**ra, idk u're the same user, but after look at ur points above i'm pretty sure it's kind of dejavu ^^ well, i won't disagree with u too, i'm not sayin' k-pop/k-music not have weirdness implied, but japanese acts was too bizarre, i mean their behavior onstage-offstage, concepts, visual, MV, sound, etc, lot of it not too acceptable in "society" (at least for now) and their popularity ( many in the term of cult) much came or infused from their own weirdness/uniqueness and don't forget it's already been a long stereotypes for japanese people to be branded as the most weird ppl in the planet... k-pop weirdness just like american/mainstream now, i said lady gaga weird but ppl will still accept it, and why? weirdness help her popularity just like psy too, but japan weirdness is in different term, imho Yeah I'm on Quora (who are you by the way). Yes, for the last few 2 or 3 years I've been trying to investigate why and how J-pop fell behind K-pop in term of global popularity and fanbases, I mean have a look at these from a once-active J-pop forum: thread 1: Where did the j-pop community go? thread 2: What happened to Jpop community? And so far, there's more question then answer why J-pop fandom has been greatly reduced and how K-pop just beat J-pop on a global scale. I know Japan is known for it's weirdness and I won't dispute that. But to be honest, I've seen stuff from South Korea that seem to out-weird Japan (or sometime "out-gross") and yet those get accepted by people outside of Asia. If South Korea was able to make stuff that "out-weird" or made something similar to Japan and yet it got accepted, then why won't people accept the stuff from Japan, I don't think weirdness is the issue. I mean find me a J-pop MVs that outweird PSY, Big Bang, or any of the weird K-pop MVs I posted on this thread. I do agree that Japan has it own weirdness, the question is: If South Korea did something similar (like making a group similar to Babymetal) and it got accepted, why did it got accepted when Japan did something similar and it didn't get accepted? As I said, this make me question if Japanese act should maybe enter the Korean market in order to be "accepted" outside of Japan/Asia. maikeru3 said: From what i see,k-pop has become mainstream in south asia but remains cult popularity in east asia(Japan,China) About China, it's getting way popular hence why more K-pop idols are targeting the Chinese market. Well that and you may want to read this article. Gator said: K-pop is accepted? Well I can say at least in Germany it is not xD Well it's popularity is spreading to other part of Europe. I read it from 2 other sources that K-hip hop is gaining popularity in Europe too. |
Jan 27, 2016 4:19 PM
#137
semss said: the threat itself said why it(the fan) wasn't widely accepted, that's lead to the acts itself j-pop i's not so popular+too weird=people in general will said, forget it+wtf , and i experienced that *many my friend always said why are you still heard this weirdo, even u can't speak/barely knew japanese to begin with, akh...u're weird(in friendly way of course xD) *many ppl nowaday(non fan of k-pop) in my circle enjoying heard k-pop and put it on their playlist, the "weird" in there already establish in the same term as their counterpart in america from what i've seen... *why did those male singer act and clothes like woman, akh weird So how is it that K-pop with the same weirdness found in J-pop got accepted even amongst the non-fan of K-pop. Also a lot of male idols in K-pop do carried androgynous look and yet those get accepted. I mean what the hell? you said: well, if j-pop is very overwhelmed and so desperate for international audience, then why don't they?? but it's still far from realized as talk how pride the japanese Well it may or may not happened in the future. As I said, I'm seeing a lot of K-pop group having foreign members like the girl group, Twice having 3 Japanese members. Another girl group has a Japanese member in there: I know another girl group that will debut also has a Japanese member. So it may attract J-pop artists to maybe debut in South Korea if the Japanese members in K-pop get more international fans. Also another way, let say a famous Chinese artists like G.E.M decided to sign up with a Korean label and release a Korean-language single/album and it became successful and this led to huge attention outside of Asia. Then it could lead to J-pop to maybe crossover to K-pop, it's a possibility. |
Jan 27, 2016 5:20 PM
#139
shintai88 said: K-pop = Sexy? J-Pop = Creepy? I'd be honest I have no idea. Guess it depends what catches people's attention. It more like K-pop = sexy, dance clubbing vibe and what you will usually associate with Western J-pop = cute, anime and more pop/rock instead of sexy, dance clubbing vibe |
Jan 28, 2016 10:02 AM
#140
A little off topic but... Yes, it was really sad to hear about their dismemberment. I wish all the luck to all the members going their way. zetsubousei_hero said: shintai88 said: K-pop = Sexy? J-Pop = Creepy? I'd be honest I have no idea. Guess it depends what catches people's attention. It more like K-pop = sexy, dance clubbing vibe and what you will usually associate with Western J-pop = cute, anime and more pop/rock instead of sexy, dance clubbing vibe I will agree with that. But I've seen K-pop that do similar thing to J-pop and yet it get accepted amongst western audiences like for example: I mean these 2 K-pop video above look similar to J-pop and they get accepted. But I've seen J-pop which do sexy concept and I'm not talking about AKB48 members in bikinis. I've seen one of their concert video on YT where one member solo performance involved sexy concept on the same level as K-pop. So I don't see that much difference when it comes to sexiness. |
Jan 29, 2016 2:09 AM
#141
zetsubousei_hero said: shintai88 said: K-pop = Sexy? J-Pop = Creepy? I'd be honest I have no idea. Guess it depends what catches people's attention. It more like K-pop = sexy, dance clubbing vibe and what you will usually associate with Western J-pop = cute, anime and more pop/rock instead of sexy, dance clubbing vibe Maybe. I thought it all depends on what you actually focused on. Though I see what your saying. Since Japan nowadays is more famous for its Idol Pop groups. And Korea more for its raunchy sexy dances. |
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Jan 29, 2016 8:32 AM
#142
shintai88 said: Maybe. I thought it all depends on what you actually focused on. Though I see what your saying. Since Japan nowadays is more famous for its Idol Pop groups. And Korea more for its raunchy sexy dances. Well not all K-pop emphasized on sexiness or sexy dance. I've seen K-pop relied on cuteness (hence why I linked G-friend and Lovelyz video on there) and it worked. Hell even Apink (Korea's current popular girl group) still hasn't released a sexy/mature music video yet, they still stick to cute and innocent concept. semss said: mdo7 said: my answer always how acceptable the weirdness especially for passerby listener, many j-acts felt in that category, i have friend that's enjoy some L'Arc en Ciel long before(in MP3 basis and he even isn't near as casual fan), but after he look the actual act at live session, he'd just meh, lose interest, and never talk about it again... #truestorySo how is it that K-pop with the same weirdness found in J-pop got accepted even amongst the non-fan of K-pop. Also a lot of male idols in K-pop do carried androgynous look and yet those get accepted. I mean what the hell? another example just look too gackt , pretty sure male(that's non fan of any j-acts) will lose interest for j-music when look at this, even me,that damn fanservice, he's just wasted his awesome voice imo After reading this part, I don't get it. If L'Arc en Ciel had been a Korean group, would this be the same or would they accept it because Korean or anything K-pop is accepted? well that's new for me ^^, I take it that you don't follow K-pop, am I correct? I say this it looks like you didn't know about K-pop having Japanese members in them. but what's lack from that(for now) about k-pop branch out/broad the membership. is there any "already" established act in j-pop or j-music will join the hype... There's no established J-pop group or Japanese artists that has crossover to K-pop. But I did remember Crystal Kay back in 2011 has expressed interest of wanting to debut in South Korea. Since then, she hasn't spoke about the Korean debut, if she did debut in South Korea and became famous in South Korea, she would've done better in the US. Not related to music, but before Chen Bolin became the first Taiwanese actor to sign with a Korean agency. It was speculated that Ariel Lin (another well-known Taiwanese actress) would've been the first, she hasn't debuted in South Korea. But I suspect she may debut in Korea in the future because of Chen Bolin. for now maybe i sense kind of rivalry, especially among the fan i know u're problematic the accesibility for j-pop here, but it won't change/improves so much in the future , imo regard that - as fan of j-music to diverse with their own "cult" , not like k-pop or k-music fan in general, take example as i reside more to j-rock,i won't stand for One Ok Rock, because that's just not my kind of type of music - problematic shipping content by the japanese, one example too many block video even in youtube, i bet we ppl experience this - the weird in japan felt/ categorized as bizarre, creepy or in other word bad stereotypes , compare to their counterpart in korean, i bet ppl seen it as "having fun" or "creative" , and also close by U.S latest concept - there're no game changer in j-pop especially for big market like U.S, well tell psy impact, j-pop won't get that fame in any near future. You are correct on your assessment, but there's one more thing you may want to factor in: Other Asian countries (except Japan and Mainland China) trying hard to replicate their own version of the Hallyu/Korean Wave After the Korean Wave got very popular other Asian countries are trying to emulate/replicate it's success. I've been getting report of Taiwan, Thailand, Indonesia are trying to do this. I've been reading report about how Asian idols from Indonesia, Thailand, Mainland China, and Taiwan are going to South Korea to get K-pop style training. Out of all the three, I think Taiwan maybe the one to replicate this because they have done this before and their TV dramas have been gaining popularity amongst fans of Korean dramas outside of Asia and you may want to have a look at these: Taiwan Cabinet spurs cultural and creative development Politically ignored Taiwan practices soap opera diplomacy, in Spanish Taiwan's new leader wants closer ties with S. Korea To quote one of the article above: As to trade, Tsai vowed to seek intensive partnerships with South Korea and many other countries. South Korea is Taiwan's fifth-largest trading partner. Tsai said she is a fan of Korean dramas and food, in particular kimchi. The South Korean government's cultural policy and insight were behind the rapid spread of the "Korean Wave" worldwide, she said, indicating her government will take its cues from South Korea in that field. She also cited her personal ties with South Korean President Park Geun-hye. So yes, Japan's J-pop is going to have difficult time not because of K-pop overshadowing J-pop on a global scale. Now because other Asian countries like Taiwan are trying very hard to replicate this to rival their Korean counterpart. So yes, it's going to be hard time for J-pop and fans of J-pop are not going to be happy that other Asian countries like Taiwan are able to rival K-pop in the future and continuing overshadow J-pop and J-music overall. |
Jan 29, 2016 10:24 AM
#143
semss said: first i'm not pretty coped or deep knowing about k-pop or even j-pop even for exact membership for certain group, that's not just my stuff ^^ sorry, i just sense the surface of it and make my deduction regard,all of it is just opinion based on generality, it's not like i have nothing to say about it, u can agree or disagree with mine.. Well, after reading this now I see why you don't seem to keep up with what's going on in K-pop. now you get it don't you?? i already said above, japanese act many of is like laruku, in the term of "cult" or have certain follower (or not so popular) abroad+ it's weird by people in general=ppl will think it twice or thrice and in the end they just fell on the bad stereotype "japan=weird" without give fair judgement on quality. but talk one korean act that have similarity with laruku weirdnesss+ popularity of k-pop=somehow it can acceptable for ppl in general(big possibility), even without need reasonable quality, all of it lead and thanks to one game changer called PSY and lack of weird stereotypes for s. korea in nation by ppl abroad from what've seen, there two kind of listener in this world in popular culture: - one that's started to judge/heard some acts because of it popular, - one that's started like it some acts because it's just popular or trendy, mindlessly so japan acts in many occasion fell on this equation: it's not so popular(cult)+weird(or any established japan bad stereotypes)=j-music fan is not so accepted for their taste in society(in general) I can understand and combine that with accessibility issues and that make it hard for J-pop to get a bigger international audiences. South Korea may not have a weird stereotype but Gangnam Style along with some other K-pop MVs were weird enough or even "outweird" Japan, and yet it got accepted. I mean I still don't understand how one got accepted and one doesn't. From what you implied, it looks like if the J-pop or J musician had record their songs in Korean, it would be accepted amongst K-pop fans. So that means if some J-pop acts that want to get more international audiences but their Japanese songs won't go viral, they may have to resort to enter South Korea and record a Korean song just to get attention outside of Asia. first and always question for me did japanese acts(j-pop or j-rock) so desperate for international audience?? did their felt so difficult to selling abroad?? yeah there're some artist/celebrity that already spoken out or unhappy about get overshadowed by k-pop, but did the majority of them (the artist) care?? or did it enough been on certain market for them(domestic or certain nation) did their industry owner care?? did their government care?? but sure and agree with you for now, the one that's so desperate by k-pop popularity is j-pop fan itself xD the hardcore one... To answer your question about if Japanese artists are jealous that K-pop are getting more attention, I heard some of them are jealous that K-pop are overshadowing their music. The rest, I'm not sure because it's hard to find interview (abeit lack of English translation) from many other that mention about K-pop overshadowing their music. There was one time that long ago, when J-pop was going to go global. But now you have to factor in other Asian countries like Taiwan wanting to emulate Korea's success in both TV dramas and pop music, it's going to make not only fans of J-pop jealous but also J-pop artists/idols may get more jealous too because they'll feel like that they're lagging behind other Asian countries. I know the government and Cool Japan kind of screw it up with their program. Also I want to add one more thing to this thread. Did you know back in 2011, former Morning Musume Ai Takahashi called for J-pop to be globalized and she cited K-pop success in Asia: former Morning Musume, Ai Takahashi speak of a global J-pop citing K-pop's Asian success Interview with Ai Takahashi Pt.3 – Japanese Idols and the Overseas Market Ai Takahashi couldn't foresaw Psy's Gangnam Style, and other global breakthrough that K-pop did. |
Jan 29, 2016 11:05 AM
#144
mdo7 said: Also I want to add one more thing to this thread. Did you know back in 2011, former Morning Musume Ai Takahashi called for J-pop to be globalized and she cited K-pop success in Asia: former Morning Musume, Ai Takahashi speak of a global J-pop citing K-pop's Asian success Interview with Ai Takahashi Pt.3 – Japanese Idols and the Overseas Market Ai Takahashi couldn't foresaw Psy's Gangnam Style, and other global breakthrough that K-pop did. In 2011 kpop was its prime in Japan and frequently on mainstream media that is Why a lot of people(artists or idols)talked about foreign success of kpop. In 2016 there are still a lot of hardcore fans of kpop but not so many normal people care about them nor they are on mainstream media,so most people don't care kpop foreign success anymore Foreign Asian music market is less than a third of Japanese music market so there were not much reason besides its being popular in Japan and that reason has almost gone too |
umashikanekoJan 29, 2016 11:39 AM
Jan 29, 2016 11:42 AM
#145
semss said: so i ask you, before psy came out, did s. korea already have stigma or bad stereotypes as weird??? nein isn't Actually I just remembered something. In one of the LA Times article talking about Taiwanese dramas gaining popularity in Latin/South America, I remember seeing this: LATimes said: Seung-Ah Lee, a lecturer on Korean studies at UCLA, said South Korea's culture boom has helped shape international attitudes about the country. "Many thought that Korea was a small, poor country in Asia that you had no intention to visit," Lee said. "But they found that Korea is dynamic, energetic, rich and highly advanced." So yes, South Korea did get negative views because of that. There's also a long time ago where people couldn't tell the differences between North and South Korea, a lot of people thought they were the same and yet K-dramas and K-pop were able to break that stereotypes. Beside accessibility, now we know why J-pop can't help break Japan's stereotype. if we talk a possibility, and why don't it?? shipping popularity maybe open a way for j-pop but like you and me agree, it's still far from realized, and i bet ppl with high cultural pride (japanese or fan) will against it in the future You're right. The only way for this to happen if Taiwanese pop idols/artists in the future entered the Korean market and they became global sensation. Then that would motivate if not forced many of the J-idols and artists to take the Korean and global market more seriously. semss said: mdo7 said: Also I want to add one more thing to this thread. Did you know back in 2011, former Morning Musume Ai Takahashi called for J-pop to be globalized and she cited K-pop success in Asia: former Morning Musume, Ai Takahashi speak of a global J-pop citing K-pop's Asian success Interview with Ai Takahashi Pt.3 – Japanese Idols and the Overseas Market Ai Takahashi couldn't foresaw Psy's Gangnam Style, and other global breakthrough that K-pop did. i know that stuff, and other celebrity also showed their dissapointmen or bashed k-pop but it won't change as look like there're many of them still don't care about it, most vocal is always the "fan" Well as I said if Taiwan was able to replicate their own cultural wave that rival South Korea's on a global scale, then it would make every idols and artists in Japan more jealous. It might make them say "That's it, we're not going to take it anymore everybody start studying Korean, Chinese, and English. We're going to conquer the world and bring back our dignity and pride!!! The Korean and Taiwanese are making us look primitive!!!" You can be patient for a long time, but patience has it's limit. I'm afraid that's what going to happen in J-pop maybe in the future. umashikaneko said: In 2011 kpop was its prime in Japan and frequently on mainstream media that is Why a lot of people(artists or idols)talked about foreign success of kpop. In 2016 there are still a lot of hardcore fans of kpop but not so many normal people care about them nor they are on mainstream media,so most people don't care kpop foreign success anymore. Whether people care its international popularity or not is mostly depending on popularity In Japan Actually a lot of people around the world aren't paying to Japan anymore (well only economic-wise and other diplomatic relation, but entertainment beyond anime and manga, not a lot). Now the whole world is looking at Korea for Asian Entertainment. Because Japan never bother to "cash in/ride on" the TV drama popularity outside of Asia thanks to K-dramas, Japan has already lost it's cool. I believe on page 3 I mentioned why K-pop aren't taking the Japanese market as it was few years ago. To be honest, people and business insiders are starting to take South Korea over Japan for doing business. |
Jan 29, 2016 11:56 AM
#146
mdo7 said: Actually a lot of people around the world aren't paying to Japan anymore (well only economic-wise and other diplomatic relation, but entertainment beyond anime and manga, not a lot). Now the whole world is looking at Korea for Asian Entertainment. Because Japan never bother to "cash in/ride on" the TV drama popularity outside of Asia thanks to K-dramas, Japan has already lost it's cool. I believe on page 3 I mentioned why K-pop aren't taking the Japanese market as it was few years ago. To be honest, people and business insiders are starting to take South Korea over Japan for doing business. yes but you are missing the point.What i wanted to Say is whether Japanese care or not is solely depending on popularity in Japan. Bollywood movie is as popular as kpop in the world if Im not mistaken but few people care its international popularity because it is not popular in Japan. 2011 kpop was popular in Japan,2016 not so much.I had never heard of Jpop/rock was popular in 90s in foreign countries before reading English thread too. I had heard about puffy was somewhat successful in US but I think it came from Japanese inferiority complex to US |
umashikanekoJan 29, 2016 12:03 PM
Jan 29, 2016 12:04 PM
#147
umashikaneko said: yes but you are missing the point.What i wanted to Say is whether Japanese care or not is solely depending on popularity in Japan. Bollywood movie is as popular as kpop in the world if Im not mistaken but few people care its international popularity because it is not popular in Japan. 2011 kpop was popular in Japan,2016 not so much.I had never heard of Jpop/rock was popular in 90s in foreign countries before reading English thread too. I know but regarding outside of Japan/Asia, a lot of people aren't really focused on Japan or K-pop success in Japan. As long as K-pop and it's idol is doing achievements that no other J-pop artists were able to do, that's what make fans of K-pop happy. |
Jan 29, 2016 12:10 PM
#148
mdo7 said: I know but regarding outside of Japan/Asia, a lot of people aren't really focused on Japan or K-pop success in Japan. As long as K-pop and it's idol is doing achievements that no other J-pop artists were able to do, that's what make fans of K-pop happy. Yes I understand you are saying but I don't think that have something to do with my point. |
Jan 29, 2016 12:12 PM
#149
umashikaneko said: mdo7 said: I know but regarding outside of Japan/Asia, a lot of people aren't really focused on Japan or K-pop success in Japan. As long as K-pop and it's idol is doing achievements that no other J-pop artists were able to do, that's what make fans of K-pop happy. Yes I understand you are saying but I don't think that have something to do with my point. OK, what's your point? Look Japan maybe the 2nd largest market in the world, but K-pop idols comeback are becoming less frequent and only quite a few K-pop idols are making Japanese debut. A lot of current established and rookie K-pop idols are focused on the Mainland Chinese market these day. Just to let people know, the Chinese music market isn't on the top 10 largest but yet K-pop idols are taking the Chinese market more then Japan. |
Jan 29, 2016 12:19 PM
#150
mdo7 said: OK, what's your point? Look Japan maybe the 2nd largest market in the world, but K-pop idols comeback are becoming less frequent and only quite a few K-pop idols are making Japanese debut. A lot of current established and rookie K-pop idols are focused on the Mainland Chinese market these day. Just to let people know, the Chinese music market isn't on the top 10 largest but yet K-pop idols are taking the Chinese market more then Japan. someone said 'ai takahashi mentioned k-pop international popularity in 2011 even before Psy and before international recognition ' My point is kpop peak is early 2011 in Japan and when psy was popular it has passed peak so that remark doesn't make sense to Japanese the reason is whether Japanese care its(be it kpop or Bollywood ) international popularity or not is solely depending on popularity in Japan |
umashikanekoJan 29, 2016 12:30 PM
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