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Feb 4, 2015 5:09 PM
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If you saw something good... great writing.... but with lazy, sloppy, pathetic animation, could you stomach it?

(this time I used the search feature, so I don't think this has been asked before)
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Feb 4, 2015 5:14 PM
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Yes

Feb 4, 2015 5:14 PM
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Ping pong was awesome so yes
Feb 4, 2015 5:15 PM
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Yes, almost always
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Feb 4, 2015 5:15 PM
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Eh, kind of. I was able to sit through and enjoy Digimon Tamers, but god it's shit animation just got to me and ruined many moments. I can usually stomach the bad animation, but I've got a breaking point.
Feb 4, 2015 5:15 PM
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Chelizzle said:
Williwod said:
Ping pong was awesome so yes

Ping Pong had great animation
No it didn't. The art style was the worst thing Yuasa's ever done and the animation was not fluent at all
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Feb 4, 2015 5:16 PM
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Yes
Feb 4, 2015 5:16 PM
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Kemonozume...

It was alright
Feb 4, 2015 5:16 PM
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well yes i can, i'm not that picky when it comes to art/animation, if the plot/characters are decent i don't really care about anything else ...
Feb 4, 2015 5:17 PM

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Link_of_Hyrule said:
Chelizzle said:

Ping Pong had great animation
No it didn't. The art style was the worst thing Yuasa's ever done and the animation was not fluent at all
yuasa was not responsible for the art style
Feb 4, 2015 5:17 PM

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Link_of_Hyrule said:
No it didn't. The art style was the worst thing Yuasa's ever done and the animation was not fluent at all

No. That goes to:
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Kemonozume...
Feb 4, 2015 5:17 PM

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Link_of_Hyrule said:
Chelizzle said:

Ping Pong had great animation
No it didn't. The art style was the worst thing Yuasa's ever done and the animation was not fluent at all


The art style I found was pretty unique and expressive. The animation was where it fell short.
Feb 4, 2015 5:18 PM

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Yeah, I got through Kingdoms shit tier Cg animation
Feb 4, 2015 5:18 PM

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Yea.
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Williwod said:
Link_of_Hyrule said:
No it didn't. The art style was the worst thing Yuasa's ever done and the animation was not fluent at all


The art style I found was pretty unique and expressive. The animation was where it fell short.


^ same
Feb 4, 2015 5:18 PM

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Cupquake said:
Link_of_Hyrule said:
No it didn't. The art style was the worst thing Yuasa's ever done and the animation was not fluent at all
yuasa was not responsible for the art style
Well, Yuasa had the option to change it and opted not to.
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Feb 4, 2015 5:19 PM

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Usually, yes. Some people have different definitions of "Bad Animation" though, but so far, everything I have given high ratings to had good enough animation to me.

Feb 4, 2015 5:19 PM

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I gave Ping Pong an 8 so yes.
Feb 4, 2015 5:20 PM

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Link_of_Hyrule said:
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yuasa was not responsible for the art style
Well, Yuasa had the option to change it and opted not to.
Fair enough. Though I'd be really fucking pissed if he changed it. The manga's artsytle really grew on me.
Feb 4, 2015 5:20 PM

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Yes, Ping Pong is a good example. I really liked the art style, but i found the animation to be mediocre at certain points. That doesn't take away from the captivating story it tells.
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Feb 4, 2015 5:20 PM

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I could stomach it, but I probably couldn't forgive it.
Feb 4, 2015 5:20 PM

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Chelizzle said:
Example?


ginga nagaraboshi gin... loved it despite it's flaws, but honesty, even for 80s anime, I've seen much better as far as animaton goes...

if you want good 80s animation... galaxy express 999
Feb 4, 2015 5:21 PM

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It would depend I guess. I find I'm fairly easy to please when it comes to artstyle/animation in general, unless it's something I immediately find repulsive like Aku no Hana or Reign.
Feb 4, 2015 5:21 PM

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another good example is BONES's captain earth, it had exquisite animation, but the story/plot and overall story were REALLY bad .... so in the end animation/art is not the decisive factor about the quality of an anime.
Feb 4, 2015 5:22 PM

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Chelizzle said:
Link_of_Hyrule said:
No it didn't. The art style was the worst thing Yuasa's ever done and the animation was not fluent at all

Art style has nothing to do with animation.
Technically not, but it directly contributes to the visual appeal of the show, AKA the point of animation
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WAD1992 said:
another good example is BONES's captain earth, it had exquisite animation, but the story/plot and overall story were REALLY bad .... so in the end animation/art is not the decisive factor about the quality of an anime.

well, at least it gave me a reason for finishing it :)
the OST and voice acting too. A+
Feb 4, 2015 5:23 PM

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silversongwriter said:
If you saw something good... great writing.... but with lazy, sloppy, pathetic animation, could you stomach it?

With most anime I usually have to, but I'm less forgiving of bad art style. Something about it has to look good, otherwise I'm better off reading the manga.
Feb 4, 2015 5:23 PM

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Cupquake said:
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Well, Yuasa had the option to change it and opted not to.
Fair enough. Though I'd be really fucking pissed if he changed it. The manga's artsytle really grew on me.

The manga's art is so similar to Yuusa's usual choice of art. It's like he was the only person meant to direct it.
Feb 4, 2015 5:25 PM

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tsudecimo said:
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Fair enough. Though I'd be really fucking pissed if he changed it. The manga's artsytle really grew on me.

The manga's art is so similar to Yuusa's usual choice of art. It's like he was the only person meant to direct it.
Interesting... I think ping pong was my first yuasa anime so i wouldn't know
Feb 4, 2015 5:25 PM

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Yes, honestly I haven't dropped any anime because "bad animation".

Feb 4, 2015 5:26 PM

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yeah
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This leads to the question: Can you forgive CGI if the story is really good? Examples: Nobunaga Concerto and Sidonia no Kishi
Feb 4, 2015 5:26 PM

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I still can't believe I made it almost halfway into Captain Earth. The animation wasn't even that good.
Feb 4, 2015 5:27 PM

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tsudecimo said:
Cupquake said:
Fair enough. Though I'd be really fucking pissed if he changed it. The manga's artsytle really grew on me.

The manga's art is so similar to Yuusa's usual choice of art. It's like he was the only person meant to direct it.
Eh, his art styles are very unique, but they vary tremendously. Ping Pong looked NOTHING like the Tatami Galaxy or Kaiba
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mayukachan said:
This leads to the question: Can you forgive CGI if the story is really good? Examples: Nobunaga Concerto and Sidonia no Kishi


I definitely enjoyed Nobunaga Concerto enough to wish for another season we'll probably never get as far as that goes...
Feb 4, 2015 5:29 PM

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mayukachan said:
WAD1992 said:
another good example is BONES's captain earth, it had exquisite animation, but the story/plot and overall story were REALLY bad .... so in the end animation/art is not the decisive factor about the quality of an anime.

well, at least it gave me a reason for finishing it :)
the OST and voice acting too. A+


i found it laking some "stuff" tbh ...
The relationship between the main cast was never fully explored , and there was kinda of a "what if" .... but i can see why some would like it, the emphasis on the 3 main characters relationship was good, even though it seamed forced some times, but it was kinda cute ..... 3 kids just forgetting all about it and becoming "really good" friends ................... however that was NOT the main plot of the show, which kinda ruined the overall mood.
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mayukachan said:
This leads to the question: Can you forgive CGI if the story is really good? Examples: Nobunaga Concerto and Sidonia no Kishi
Yes, I'm not Solvite.
Feb 4, 2015 5:30 PM

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Link_of_Hyrule said:
Eh, his art styles are very unique, but they vary tremendously. Ping Pong looked NOTHING like the Tatami Galaxy or Kaiba

Unique sure, I personally don't like it, and think it's ugly. That's because Tatami Galaxy has someone in charge of the character design (His art is amazing, he might be one of the main reasons why I loved Tatami) don't know about Kaiba, but I assume it was because of the story, they need to look like that or something.

I'm more referring to Kemonzume and his general choice to have non-detailed mushy art.
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Yes, honestly I haven't dropped any anime because "bad animation".
I haven't either. Bad animation is kind of like AIDS, it's not what actually does the killing, but it exacerbates everything else
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WAD1992 said:
i found it laking some "stuff" tbh ...
The relationship between the main cast was never fully explored , and there was kinda of a "what if" .... but i can see why some would like it, the emphasis on the 3 main characters relationship was good, even though it seamed forced some times, but it was kinda cute ..... 3 kids just forgetting all about it and becoming "really good" friends ................... however that was NOT the main plot of the show, which kinda ruined the overall mood.

I know and I agree. It really could have been a lot better. I actually really enjoyed the romance scenes but every character was so "meh"
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mayukachan said:
This leads to the question: Can you forgive CGI if the story is really good? Examples: Nobunaga Concerto and Sidonia no Kishi
Yes, definitely.
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ReaperCreeper said:
mayukachan said:
This leads to the question: Can you forgive CGI if the story is really good? Examples: Nobunaga Concerto and Sidonia no Kishi
Yes, I'm not Solvite.


sometimes it's hard, especially in some mech shows, where they switch instantaneously from normal animation to CGI, it kinda kills the mood and seriously stops being anime at that point!!!
Feb 4, 2015 5:32 PM

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I asked the question because a lot of the times I've seen people who start a CGI show and drop it after the 1st episode because it's hard to get used to.
Feb 4, 2015 5:33 PM

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WAD1992 said:
ReaperCreeper said:
Yes, I'm not Solvite.


sometimes it's hard, especially in some mech shows, where they switch instantaneously from normal animation to CGI, it kinda kills the mood and seriously stops being anime at that point!!!
You should probably get used to it, CGI mecha is the norm now.
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silversongwriter said:
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Example?


ginga nagareboshi gin... loved it despite it's flaws, but honesty, even for 80s anime, I've seen much better as far as animaton goes...

If you use that as an example then yes.
Feb 4, 2015 5:35 PM

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yes.
example: boys be

mayukachan said:
This leads to the question: Can you forgive CGI if the story is really good? Examples: Nobunaga Concerto and Sidonia no Kishi
implying sidonia is good story 'hurr durr teh gauna are people' m3 did that better than sidonia
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romagia said:
mayukachan said:
This leads to the question: Can you forgive CGI if the story is really good? Examples: Nobunaga Concerto and Sidonia no Kishi
implying sidonia is good story 'hurr durr teh gauna are people' m3 did that better than sidonia

m3? You mean "trash: the anime"?
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mayukachan said:
WAD1992 said:
i found it laking some "stuff" tbh ...
The relationship between the main cast was never fully explored , and there was kinda of a "what if" .... but i can see why some would like it, the emphasis on the 3 main characters relationship was good, even though it seamed forced some times, but it was kinda cute ..... 3 kids just forgetting all about it and becoming "really good" friends ................... however that was NOT the main plot of the show, which kinda ruined the overall mood.

I know and I agree. It really could have been a lot better. I actually really enjoyed the romance scenes but every character was so "meh"


ahhhh, yes, the innocent yet controversial (because they were kids, duhhh) romance scenes were kinda cute, it really helped the relationships blossom!!!
also it helped that these scenes were brief and more implicit so they would not cross the line to become just blatant sexual fan-service , it gave the relationships meaning and depth ...
also the mech fights were kinda awesome!!!
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mayukachan said:
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implying sidonia is good story 'hurr durr teh gauna are people' m3 did that better than sidonia

m3? You mean "trash: the anime"?
sidonia? you mean 13 volume manga in 12 episodes: the anime?
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romagia said:
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m3? You mean "trash: the anime"?
sidonia? you mean 13 volume manga in 12 episodes: the anime?

Really? That was 13 volumes? I read it and the pacing was pretty much like the anime. (I thought the anime was better, by far)
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