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Feb 15, 2008 8:15 PM

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The beginning 3/4 of the episode were forgettable; stupid harem moments, a few laughs, and Tomoyo's uninteresting backstory (nothing against her, she is very entertaining but I don't particularly care about her past just the present). I was glad to see Nagisa come back in the episode instead of waiting until the next. The sisters annoy me, seriously with all those guys in that school, twin sisters fall for the same one. Only in a harem anime.
 
Feb 15, 2008 8:50 PM

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Omg rigged, rigged!!! Kotomi is win >.<
 
Feb 15, 2008 9:16 PM

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As everyone else I am not surprised about the Tomoya and Nagisa development, and I am actually happy about it. The slow development through the series is much more believable then having him being completely undecided until the end.

I also don't think that characters should just vanish after their arcs are over. They are all friends after all, even if they are interested in the same guy.

Note that I am a Kotomi supporter but I still think that Nagisa is the best match for Tomoya.
 
Feb 15, 2008 9:48 PM
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Well i loved it...
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-Food Scene was awesome-At last we saw Kotomi again-Tomoyo was awesome-The sisters had an amazing reaction when they finally realized that Tomoya likes Nagisa-The Ending song was soooooooo amazing i loved it.
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Fukkos- appearance once again fucked my mood- I always found Tomoya overreacting what regards hes father... Theres no fucking way that her foot could be so hardly hit that she couldnt walk after lol...
To sum up this ep was AMAZING I LOVED IT AND I CANT W8 FOR MORE!
 
Feb 15, 2008 9:54 PM

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lolikitsune said:
... Kyou wasn't crying because she'd lost to Nagisa but because Ryou apologized, and Ryou apologized because she'd known all along, and Kyou suddenly knows that she's wronged Ryou as much as Ryou wronged her and now they've both lost...


nice!that's what i thought so too. tomoyo maybe just showing her gratitude to tomoya though, so maybe its just ryou and kyou who got pwned in the end. oh well...kyou might have been thinking about the gym scene all along "but we..almost made out! you almost raped me and i almost let you! :-O" XD lol
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Feb 15, 2008 9:55 PM

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The whole episode was awesome, but that last scene was by far the best. It is sad to see him make 'the choice' though. Maybe people (including myself) will like Nagisa more once her arc starts.
 
Feb 15, 2008 9:56 PM

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I always found Tomoya overreacting what regards hes father...

How can he be seen as overreacting if we don't even know what's up between him and his dad? =/
 
Feb 16, 2008 4:30 AM

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Vive Kyou!!!

what a pity...tomoya, kneel to Kyou sama!!!
 
Feb 16, 2008 5:57 AM

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Well it was OK I guess... I think this is one of the rare series where I'd rather see the protagonist with someone else than female lead. i.e. Tomoyo or Kotomi in this situation...

But Seriously, they need to give Fuuko a rest... this isn't funny anymore, it's just annoying.



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Feb 16, 2008 6:25 AM

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i want more tomoyo :<
 
Feb 16, 2008 6:36 AM

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I guess I didn't enjoy the episode as much as everyone else did...Lunch was great but its funny that the reintroduction of Nagisa to the group just breaks everything down.

I personally think that Nagisa has been the least interestng character on the show and the fact that the last two episodes were so good were because she wasnt actually in them. For a show that's main appeal is the secondary characters its just reality that I feel this way about the supposed main female lead.

I loved the crying exchange between the girls but it looked amazingly awkward and slighty off on the sidelines of the tennis match and not in that two girls are crying on the side of a tennis court kinda way.
 
Feb 16, 2008 7:02 AM

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Awesome, awesome eouside. Great development for pretty much everyone. Very emotional and everyone's starting to understand their own feelings. This is what Clannad is all about. Fuko's appearance was very well placed this time. I really loved this.

Ryou really is the brightest of the twins. Not that Kyou is stupid or anything, but she understood things way before her sister did. Kyou lets her emotions speak for herself and that got her hurt a lot.

I totally cheered when I saw Tomoyo won. Her story was so very touching, I wish they had given her more screentime, I really do.

Man, I hope the other episodes are as good as this one.

I loved the crying exchange between the girls but it looked amazingly awkward and slighty off on the sidelines of the tennis match and not in that two girls are crying on the side of a tennis court kinda way.

I agree. For everyone else, that was extremely awkward.
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Feb 16, 2008 7:50 AM

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A touching episode; looks like reality checks are coming. I was expecting Tomoya to block the ball, but I guess it still ended good.
 
Feb 16, 2008 9:17 AM

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Man why Nagisa had to appear and ruin everything. I liked her from the begining but now. Mou. I hope there will be more Tomoyo in the next episode.

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Feb 16, 2008 9:20 AM

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I enjoyed this episode. The whole lunch scene was done really well. I also like learning more about Tomoyo, and her reasons of becoming Student Council President. I can't wait for the next episode, since I wonder what is going to happen next.
 
Feb 16, 2008 11:07 AM
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And the Nagisa hate plows on. Yes, she gets the hot guy, now all of the fanboys can go cry in a corner. Also, I think Nagisa hasn't fully recovered from her illness, so more Nagisa drama coming soon. Next episode seems to be more about Tomoya's relationship with his father (which was touched in this episode). I want to know whether my feeling that he's overreacting is correct or if he really is entitled to be so cold.

As for why Kotomi hardly ever talks...well, she's always been that way. Though I agree they need to give her a few more lines. Maybe have her interject in the conversations in some form.

 
Feb 16, 2008 11:58 AM

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Leon-Gun said:
And the Nagisa hate plows on. Yes, she gets the hot guy, now all of the fanboys can go cry in a corner.

lol I love the way you put it.

I think Tomoya must have a valid reason. Once someone breaks your trust, it's hard regaining it.
 
Feb 16, 2008 1:32 PM

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Leon-Gun said:
And the Nagisa hate plows on. Yes, she gets the hot guy, now all of the fanboys can go cry in a corner. Also, I think Nagisa hasn't fully recovered from her illness, so more Nagisa drama coming soon.


I guess I would be one of the afformentioned haters. The reason I "hate" Nagisa is because I honestly feel that if we removed her from the anime, it would not hurt the story or the pacing in the slightest. I honestly believe that. The fact is that she as a character is boring as hell. Her mom and dad are hilarious while she is just the kinda quiet kinda defenseless hot chick who hasn't done anything but make the lead character jump through hoops. She is a waste and its shown by how much attachment people have to every other character in the anime.

also good theory. I think there is going to be a sick Nagisa arc now that you mention it.
 
Feb 16, 2008 3:13 PM
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Leon-Gun said:
And the Nagisa hate plows on. Yes, she gets the hot guy, now all of the fanboys can go cry in a corner. Also, I think Nagisa hasn't fully recovered from her illness, so more Nagisa drama coming soon.


I guess I would be one of the afformentioned haters. The reason I "hate" Nagisa is because I honestly feel that if we removed her from the anime, it would not hurt the story or the pacing in the slightest. I honestly believe that. The fact is that she as a character is boring as hell. Her mom and dad are hilarious while she is just the kinda quiet kinda defenseless hot chick who hasn't done anything but make the lead character jump through hoops. She is a waste and its shown by how much attachment people have to every other character in the anime.

also good theory. I think there is going to be a sick Nagisa arc now that you mention it.
Aye aye, I understand your reasoning. I always find her to be a good foil for Tomoya though. And even if you dislike the character, you gotta agree that it is a good decision to seal the deal fairly early rather than do a late and badly developed pairing.

And the main reason I think Nagisa is still sick is mainly her look. Ever since coming back she's had an ill look about her, and in the preview you can see she looks red, almost kinda feverish (and not in the blushing kind of way).

 
Feb 16, 2008 3:53 PM

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I loved very much this episod !! *__*

Excellent and interesting !!
And i'm very happy to see Tomoya and Nagisa together at the end !! ^_^

The story of the Tomoyo's brother is very good ... and sad ... and explain a lot of things !
And i'm ask me what Kyou'll do after that ....


 
Feb 16, 2008 4:27 PM

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i loved this ep!!!!!!!!!
>0< kyaaaaaaaaaa! <3
I got so squirmy and happy and jolly when Nagisa came back and Tomoya was all "lurve's"
*dies*
It was such an excelent episode, loved the food scene very funny, Kotomi is so cute! But she seems to be the only one thats like PFF wutever! :D about the Nagisa/Tomoya thing... but thats probably because shes pretty dense. I love her.
Tomoyo's story was pretty meh... sad i guess but didn't move me a bit.


 
Feb 16, 2008 7:47 PM

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Am I the only one who get annoyed by Fuko's appearances?
They really ruined the character by making her a mere comic relief character...
I hate her as much as I hate Nagisa now.
Just feeling for Tomoyo and the twins now, Nagisa ruins all!!! DX
 
Feb 16, 2008 7:49 PM

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I love this series even though I hate that it isnt going the way I want it...
I dont want nagisa x tomoya to end up together *is against it* its anoying me that he keeps thinking about her xD
Kyou x Tomoya <33
I always new kyou liked him from the begining and iif its not kyo, then tomoyo... anyone but nagisa Dx
fuko's appearance in this ep. was ok (since it was comedy) but I really dislike that she keeps popping up, either they make it so she is in the story or dont, because in the last few eps, that ruined the mood Dx
speaking of her, the food part was funny xD
and I tear a little when kyou cried.... awww kyou ;-;

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And the grand finale: a Kyou pic



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Feb 16, 2008 8:58 PM

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I loved the crying exchange between the girls but it looked amazingly awkward and slighty off on the sidelines of the tennis match and not in that two girls are crying on the side of a tennis court kinda way.


Completely agree, it was as if they didn't have time to draw enough frames or know how to show people cringe/crying at the same time. I was too busy laughing at the animation to really feel for them.

The first half of this episode was awesome and then it went downhill fast. All I ask is for the last few episodes to be awesome. Strangely I thought Fuko was really funny this time around (sorry guys from the Anti-Starfish Association).
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Feb 16, 2008 9:39 PM

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Did I miss something? After the part of the episode where all the girls bring Tomoya food; it goes black and he magically appears in school again lol. I take it he was only suspended for a few days and not the whole school year right? lol that part was just so random it kind of killed the mood for me.

Other then that this ep was pretty good.
 
Feb 16, 2008 10:42 PM
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manasteel88 said:
Leon-Gun said:
And the Nagisa hate plows on. Yes, she gets the hot guy, now all of the fanboys can go cry in a corner. Also, I think Nagisa hasn't fully recovered from her illness, so more Nagisa drama coming soon.


I guess I would be one of the afformentioned haters. The reason I "hate" Nagisa is because I honestly feel that if we removed her from the anime, it would not hurt the story or the pacing in the slightest. I honestly believe that. The fact is that she as a character is boring as hell. Her mom and dad are hilarious while she is just the kinda quiet kinda defenseless hot chick who hasn't done anything but make the lead character jump through hoops. She is a waste and its shown by how much attachment people have to every other character in the anime.

also good theory. I think there is going to be a sick Nagisa arc now that you mention it.


TRUTH. Go Kyou.
 
Feb 16, 2008 11:47 PM

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"Her mom and dad are hilarious while she is just the kinda quiet kinda defenseless hot chick who hasn't done anything but make the lead character jump through hoops. "

well put, Im already bored of her way on handling things
I really hope that rest of the episodes wont be about her or her conforting tomoya in his sad moments.
I want kyou to have her time now <33
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Feb 17, 2008 3:12 AM

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Kyou is still FTW, no matter what Tomoya does.
 
Feb 17, 2008 4:23 AM

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best arc of the show: tomoyo and kyou are pure win!

but they've got a rly short arc, compared to others ;_;


 
Feb 17, 2008 5:12 AM

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It's just a reflex to do something like that if you are in love with someone, when the tennis ball hit Nagisa. It's a great anime, love this one. :P

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Feb 17, 2008 12:20 PM
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End of Kyou and Tomoyo's arc angers me.
Though I do find Nagisa less annoying, I'd rather see Tomoya with anyone else (except Fuko).
And that sock at the beginning was misleading...
 
Feb 17, 2008 1:14 PM

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This episode sounds fishy....
Its the 18 episode out of 24.
Something is coming.
Btw, i´m not sure Tomoya will end with Nagisa.
KyoAni normally tends to make an sudden endings. (In my opinion, kannon had the most out of nowhere ending.)

Its funny to notice the fact that normally, many people hate/don´t like the female main lead of harem animes.
Thats mostly my case.
I don´t feel like liking Nagisa. (Nor hating her either.) She is so... empty... Like most said, i don´t thing she deserves the main lead.

It would be really good if KyoAni broke up their main pairing system.
Take an example:


I really hope it turns out to something good. At least not like school days. (Man that would freaking ruin the story.)
 
Feb 17, 2008 1:54 PM
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And they could completely make Tomoya picking someone else believable how exactly? They put the final nail in the coffin. The guy can't even stop thinking about her while Kyou, Ryou and Tomoyo have to even be forcefull at times to get his attention. Yet he helps Nagisa out of his own will. Seriously, I'd hate it if KyoAni did a 180 at the end just to please fans.

 
Feb 17, 2008 2:15 PM

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KyoAni normally tends to make an sudden endings. (In my opinion, kannon had the most out of nowhere ending.)

That's exactly so that Clannad doesn't have a "Sudden" ending that they've been developing their relationship for lots of episodes now. Same reason why girls whose arcs have ended keep appearing, unlike Kanon.

Honestly, if at this point you still think they won't be a couple, you're in denial.
 
Feb 17, 2008 3:42 PM

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I would guess that the OP themes is one hell of a big hint concerning as to how an anime will end. I don't know about you, but an entire ED dedicated to one character should be enough to decipher the "main" girl of a harem based anime.

Yes I'm in denial for I want a Tomoyo After OVA =P
*even if I am fully aware that we will definitely get a Nagisa ending*
 
Feb 17, 2008 6:40 PM

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I wish he would end up with either Tomoyo or Kyou. Kyou was sooooooooo hot on episodee 17.
 
Feb 17, 2008 10:34 PM

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They should follow the Tomoyo After way, at least then we have something to see if they make an OVA! xD

Hopefully V/A Key doesn't follow how they created Air and did an original ending like in their movie. Kanon's was a bit unexpected and much more better like that.

They should follow the anime, "Shuffle's" example as well. Unexpectedness.

Besides Nagisa's to plain of a character imo...
 
Feb 18, 2008 9:18 AM

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Call me slow, but I just saw there's no episode this week.

Baawwww...
 
Feb 18, 2008 12:26 PM

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Next episode airs on the 28th...
 
Feb 18, 2008 12:44 PM

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Call me slow, but I just saw there's no episode this week.

Baawwww...


Yeah, it sucks. I won't have my weekly dose of KyouAni =P
 
Feb 19, 2008 2:34 AM

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amazing episode... now, ecerything will become romamtic ^^
 
Feb 19, 2008 2:50 AM

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i don't won't this to end with a TomoyaXNagisa relationship. Nagisa fails.
it should be Kyou or Tomoyo. they are the best
 
Feb 19, 2008 6:27 AM

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I also don't like it to end in Nagisa's arc.

Ep18, and the arc is now focusing on Nagisa. I think we may see an AS in the last 2-3 episodes here.



But, it's Kyo-Ani! So, there's no need to worry. They always keep the viewers happy. I hope so. They're not going to ruin this..! LOL!
 
Feb 19, 2008 7:02 AM

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Le ouch, big spoiler there... Might as well put a warning about what you're spoiling, no?
 
Feb 19, 2008 8:08 AM

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I totally forgot about Nagisa when Tomoyo was telling the story about her brother hehe...Guess that means I like Tomoyo better. Ah well I am glad that Tomoya is startig to finally realize he likes Nagisa more than the other girls and the other girls know it too. I thought it was great how even Kotomi gave Tomoya food xD. He must have been stuffed!
 
Feb 20, 2008 12:33 PM

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Mmm... it was just okay to me. A bit too over-dramatic for my taste. At least try to make me emotional before you throw a crying scene in my face. =O


I kind of agree on this although i thought it was a good episode.

It was a bit like:

AHAHAH this episodes funny, *Pushes dramatic crying scene into my face* .__.
 
Feb 20, 2008 12:35 PM

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I think it should have been Tomoya and Tomoyo together at the end, they seem more suited for some reason to me. Plus Nagisa is a bit too dim headed for my taste =/
 
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Feb 20, 2008 1:18 PM

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Am I one of the only ones who doesn't mind Tomoya ending up with Nagisa? She's a pretty cute girl TBH, thou not one of my favorites i don't 'hate' her that much that i would mind her ending up with Tomoya... I kind of see why he would like her... Just to bug you guys here: goooooo Nagisa (jk :D )

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