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Jan 30, 2015 1:17 PM

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The animation wasn't good at all in this episode. Hopefully next week will make up for it.
 
Jan 30, 2015 2:39 PM

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I feel like there's no plot.. Things are just happening but why? How did this get to this point? It feels like there's just random things happening for no reason and nothing ever gets explained. I was excited for a new story at first, but I feel like it's being executed so poorly.

And what is up with the fight scenes. They all look so awkward.
 
Jan 30, 2015 2:44 PM

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I just wonder why that guy atacked Kaneki after being frred by him...
 
Jan 30, 2015 2:57 PM
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I wonder why the ghouls go down so easily by gunshots. It was stated in the manga that guns have little effect on ghouls and that's why they made quinques. >.>


They probably will get up sooner or later after healing tho...
 
Jan 30, 2015 2:57 PM
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WTF WAS THAT IN KANEKI'S FACE AT THE END OF THE EPISODE??
 
Jan 30, 2015 3:23 PM
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WTF WAS THAT IN KANEKI'S FACE AT THE END OF THE EPISODE??

You shall see my friend :)
 
Jan 30, 2015 3:45 PM

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Not a lot of compelling plot this episode. Lot's of random characters.
 
Jan 30, 2015 4:08 PM
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I feel like there's no plot.. Things are just happening but why? How did this get to this point? It feels like there's just random things happening for no reason and nothing ever gets explained. I was excited for a new story at first, but I feel like it's being executed so poorly.

And what is up with the fight scenes. They all look so awkward.

this. it feels dull.. and even the fight scenes were trash. this series is moving from average to bad.
 
Jan 30, 2015 4:09 PM

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Next episode we're gonna see centipede! Can't wait! But still, I think the transformation is a bit rushed.
This episode was kind of nosense like, why did that guy fight Kaneki? Because he smelled like Rize? And his name was Kamishiro? I've read the manga but still not getting this.
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Jan 30, 2015 5:05 PM

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So now after episode 1 hype you guys realise the animation isnt really all that great. Gosh you guys are slow to realise
 
Jan 30, 2015 5:22 PM

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though the action is a bit ok but I think season 2 is getting boring up to this now...

wtf?! kaneki's fight was like random.. and in the perspective of a person who haven't read the manga yet... all characters background is so confusing. >.>
 
Jan 30, 2015 5:57 PM

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The centipede is coming next episode!!!! So hyped!!!!!!!
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Jan 30, 2015 5:57 PM

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Glad to see thing's are heating up, I'm excited to see where this is gonna go :D

But is it just me or are the fight scenes ruined by 'meh' animation?
 
Jan 30, 2015 6:25 PM

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Soo...are people still trying to justify this after this episode?

Animation was bad. Like World Break episode 1 bad.

They've taken all the parts from the Dr.Kanou arc and just threw them into Cochlea for the hell of it. The story has like zero focus now. I'm actually surprised they didn't throw Kaneki's manga team (minus Kaneki) into the mix just because.

All of Kaneki's character development is gone. It's just gone, gone...completely nonexistent. Remember that Kaneki who formed his own team, became an expert strategist and information broker, kicked ass in fights, then when he lost, practiced and read and practiced more to learn from his mistakes and greatly improve his technique? Yea...that fucking badass doesn't exist anymore.

Now we have a Kaneki who literally did nothing but be a support character on missions for 3 episodes, and then all of a sudden can go half kakuja. We'll just totally erase his characterization that explained he ate dozens and dozens of ghouls over x period of time.

We still have the Kuro x Shiro vs Juzou fight going on, but at this point it's guaranteed that they are going to brush over that fight insanely fast and probably show very little, if any, of the backstory connecting the 3 of them.

The ONE thing in this entire show they changed that I kind of liked, was the Shinohara vs Ayato fight, with Shinohara activating the Arata. Now at least one of the siblings knows what happened to their dad. It was a nice touch, but I like they way they presented it to readers in the manga better.

In there they gave you bits and pieces (vaguely talk about Touka's dad, briefly mention he was a full kakuja, have CCG talk about the Arata armor, show Touka holding a wedding ring from her dad that says Arata inside of it), and then you put the picture together.

I'm just glad that the manga is already over and done with and fully fleshed out. Because this is the story Ishida originally wanted to go with, but changed his mind and wrote the manga the way it is now. Honestly this story is terrible, if Ishida still thinks this version is better than what he already wrote he's a fucking fool. Aside from the ending of the manga, and the handful of things that haven't been fully developed in :re, the story was masterfully written. This on the other hand...just...no.
 
Jan 30, 2015 6:26 PM

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Douglas24 said:
Seems like Amon and his father had a bad past.
I thought Kaneki was going to go all out against that other guy, I guess that's coming next episode so its going to be intense.


Yea, he was part of a church orphanage run by that priest. The priest was a ghoul and ate lots of the children. He kept Amon alive through all of it even after he found out just to emotionally fuck with his head.

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The really sad thing about all this is that I don't think I'll be able to take the manga seriously now if I read it.


No, it'll be the exact opposite. You'll read the manga and then wonder how this shit didn't get axed at the production desk before season 1 aired.

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This episode was kind of nosense like, why did that guy fight Kaneki? Because he smelled like Rize? And his name was Kamishiro?


He didn't like Kaneki because he had Rize's scent. He didn't like Rize because they fought a lot in their past. It's never given like flashback chaps or anything, but Sacchi talks about it enough in the manga for you to get that he's pissed.
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Jan 30, 2015 7:46 PM

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This episode was alright. I know that it's an alternate plot than the manga, but the manga scenes leading up to the fights shown in this anime built it up a lot better I feel. Also, something about the sound and animation seemed off to me, as if there should have been a certain sound effect when there wasn't one, particularly during the fight scenes. I'm not sure if that's just me, but there was something that just didn't seem quite right.
 
Jan 30, 2015 7:49 PM

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Centipede-chan!!!! <3
 
Jan 30, 2015 7:53 PM
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The fights were awkward...but Shachi wtf man.
 
Jan 30, 2015 8:21 PM

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The use of Music in here was GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It matched every scene !

This ep feels like the same thing as the ending of season 1. Kaneki gets fuc*ed up then he comes back all super saiyan mode!! And how theres many fights happening.
 
Jan 30, 2015 8:51 PM

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There was a whole lot happening this episode and that seemed like the Kanou Lab Raid arc and Kanekipede already!? That seemed a bit rushed, also the art seemed lacking

OST was great though and ED art was spot on. Loved seeing more of aogiri and naki too but I need me more Kaneki screentime
 
Jan 30, 2015 9:02 PM
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Jonesy974 said:


I'm just glad that the manga is already over and done with and fully fleshed out. Because this is the story Ishida originally wanted to go with, but changed his mind and wrote the manga the way it is now. Honestly this story is terrible, if Ishida still thinks this version is better than what he already wrote he's a fucking fool. Aside from the ending of the manga, and the handful of things that haven't been fully developed in :re, the story was masterfully written. This on the other hand...just...no.


Ishida originally planning this seems to be a misunderstanding or rumor, I don't think it's true.

Hopefully the animation will be better next episode
 
Jan 30, 2015 9:27 PM

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It's nice that there was action this episode, but holy shit it's getting bad. Someone really cut the funding down for this episode and it shows. Lots of guards who only know how to aim and shoot in one direction. Choppy animation. Bad or absent sound effects...




 
Jan 30, 2015 9:47 PM

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lets just go back to making coffee and stuff
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Jan 30, 2015 10:23 PM

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The animation of the fights this episode are lame. >_<
I guess he got beat up in the fight, so we can see him powerup like that.
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For manga readers that think this episode is freaking bad ,no character development ,and rushed, i am on the same boat . It's much much more better covered in manga.

But , we should think of it logically too . It's only 12 episodes ,too SHORT even if it's Ishida , it's hard to make this as detailed as manga . So , it's seem obvious to me that the animation rushed it for more episode of Anteiku raid arc .
 
Jan 30, 2015 10:48 PM

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Ahh..finally. Something interesting happen. I feel bored about last two episodes since it feels to a bit slice and life to me but this one is certainly better. Aogiri and Kaneki scene never bore me.
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Jan 30, 2015 10:52 PM

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OST was great though and ED art was spot on.


That's a Definitely "YES".
 
Jan 30, 2015 11:06 PM

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This episode was so horrible.

HORRIBLE animation. Did the animators decide that they needed a holiday this week?

NO explanation for events.

I literally don't have even a tiny bit of a clue as to what the hell is going on in this anime anymore.
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Jan 30, 2015 11:51 PM

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For manga readers that think this episode is freaking bad ,no character development ,and rushed, i am on the same boat . It's much much more better covered in manga.

But , we should think of it logically too . It's only 12 episodes ,too SHORT even if it's Ishida , it's hard to make this as detailed as manga . So , it's seem obvious to me that the animation rushed it for more episode of Anteiku raid arc .


Don't make me facepalm dude. This has nothing to do with the manga. Even if a manga never existed this would still be horrible.
Crappy animation and technical department and most of all horrible directing. The scenes luck any atmosphere and presentation etc. Events as just thrown and no effort is being done to engage the viewer and make feel something about them.
The whole thing is a mess.
 
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Monad said:
frankykun13 said:
For manga readers that think this episode is freaking bad ,no character development ,and rushed, i am on the same boat . It's much much more better covered in manga.

But , we should think of it logically too . It's only 12 episodes ,too SHORT even if it's Ishida , it's hard to make this as detailed as manga . So , it's seem obvious to me that the animation rushed it for more episode of Anteiku raid arc .


Don't make me facepalm dude. This has nothing to do with the manga. Even if a manga never existed this would still be horrible.
Crappy animation and technical department and most of all horrible directing. The scenes luck any atmosphere and presentation etc. Events as just thrown and no effort is being done to engage the viewer and make feel something about them.
The whole thing is a mess.

Stop overreacting. Its just one bad episode they outsourced and its not like this will happen again.
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Jan 31, 2015 12:55 AM

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Wow, can't wait for next episode. But the fight animation confused me.
 
Jan 31, 2015 1:18 AM
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This was painful to watch.
 
Jan 31, 2015 1:37 AM
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Z4k said:
Monad said:


Don't make me facepalm dude. This has nothing to do with the manga. Even if a manga never existed this would still be horrible.
Crappy animation and technical department and most of all horrible directing. The scenes luck any atmosphere and presentation etc. Events as just thrown and no effort is being done to engage the viewer and make feel something about them.
The whole thing is a mess.

Stop overreacting. Its just one bad episode they outsourced and its not like this will happen again.


If you can tell me how you know none of the other eps will as bad as this than I'll believe you
 
Jan 31, 2015 1:43 AM

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Jonesy974 said:
Soo...are people still trying to justify this after this episode?

Animation was bad. Like World Break episode 1 bad.

They've taken all the parts from the Dr.Kanou arc and just threw them into Cochlea for the hell of it. The story has like zero focus now. I'm actually surprised they didn't throw Kaneki's manga team (minus Kaneki) into the mix just because.

All of Kaneki's character development is gone. It's just gone, gone...completely nonexistent. Remember that Kaneki who formed his own team, became an expert strategist and information broker, kicked ass in fights, then when he lost, practiced and read and practiced more to learn from his mistakes and greatly improve his technique? Yea...that fucking badass doesn't exist anymore.

Now we have a Kaneki who literally did nothing but be a support character on missions for 3 episodes, and then all of a sudden can go half kakuja. We'll just totally erase his characterization that explained he ate dozens and dozens of ghouls over x period of time.

We still have the Kuro x Shiro vs Juzou fight going on, but at this point it's guaranteed that they are going to brush over that fight insanely fast and probably show very little, if any, of the backstory connecting the 3 of them.

The ONE thing in this entire show they changed that I kind of liked, was the Shinohara vs Ayato fight, with Shinohara activating the Arata. Now at least one of the siblings knows what happened to their dad. It was a nice touch, but I like they way they presented it to readers in the manga better.

In there they gave you bits and pieces (vaguely talk about Touka's dad, briefly mention he was a full kakuja, have CCG talk about the Arata armor, show Touka holding a wedding ring from her dad that says Arata inside of it), and then you put the picture together.

I'm just glad that the manga is already over and done with and fully fleshed out. Because this is the story Ishida originally wanted to go with, but changed his mind and wrote the manga the way it is now. Honestly this story is terrible, if Ishida still thinks this version is better than what he already wrote he's a fucking fool. Aside from the ending of the manga, and the handful of things that haven't been fully developed in :re, the story was masterfully written. This on the other hand...just...no.

This.
 
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Raneer said:
Jonesy974 said:
Soo...are people still trying to justify this after this episode?

Animation was bad. Like World Break episode 1 bad.

They've taken all the parts from the Dr.Kanou arc and just threw them into Cochlea for the hell of it. The story has like zero focus now. I'm actually surprised they didn't throw Kaneki's manga team (minus Kaneki) into the mix just because.

All of Kaneki's character development is gone. It's just gone, gone...completely nonexistent. Remember that Kaneki who formed his own team, became an expert strategist and information broker, kicked ass in fights, then when he lost, practiced and read and practiced more to learn from his mistakes and greatly improve his technique? Yea...that fucking badass doesn't exist anymore.

Now we have a Kaneki who literally did nothing but be a support character on missions for 3 episodes, and then all of a sudden can go half kakuja. We'll just totally erase his characterization that explained he ate dozens and dozens of ghouls over x period of time.

We still have the Kuro x Shiro vs Juzou fight going on, but at this point it's guaranteed that they are going to brush over that fight insanely fast and probably show very little, if any, of the backstory connecting the 3 of them.

The ONE thing in this entire show they changed that I kind of liked, was the Shinohara vs Ayato fight, with Shinohara activating the Arata. Now at least one of the siblings knows what happened to their dad. It was a nice touch, but I like they way they presented it to readers in the manga better.

In there they gave you bits and pieces (vaguely talk about Touka's dad, briefly mention he was a full kakuja, have CCG talk about the Arata armor, show Touka holding a wedding ring from her dad that says Arata inside of it), and then you put the picture together.

I'm just glad that the manga is already over and done with and fully fleshed out. Because this is the story Ishida originally wanted to go with, but changed his mind and wrote the manga the way it is now. Honestly this story is terrible, if Ishida still thinks this version is better than what he already wrote he's a fucking fool. Aside from the ending of the manga, and the handful of things that haven't been fully developed in :re, the story was masterfully written. This on the other hand...just...no.

This.


EXACTLY.
The fight scenes are terrible. Animation is just bad. Maybe I'll drop this.
 
Jan 31, 2015 2:24 AM
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Z4k said:

Stop overreacting. Its just one bad episode they outsourced and its not like this will happen again.


If you can tell me how you know none of the other eps will as bad as this than I'll believe you

If the episodes aren't outsourced like this one then it won't be bad and next week will have a different episode director anyway which is a good thing since his works are a lot better.
 
Jan 31, 2015 2:54 AM
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What on earth is going on?!?!
 
Jan 31, 2015 3:55 AM

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No Impact

the first 3 episode was good though
 
Jan 31, 2015 4:09 AM

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If I'm gonna be honest I was kinda disappointed with this episode. Amon's action scenes were kind of boring. The music when the fighting was happening got repetitive and the animation wasn't the best. But, the Aogiri infiltrating the prison was a good idea :). An OK episode but should have been better.
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Jan 31, 2015 4:40 AM

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Wow, amazing episode! Best one so far. Not sure why the butthurt here, especially coming from those that read the manga. Yes, they skipped some stuff but they left in and adapted all the important stuff quite well. I'm not sure why people are complaining about them leaving stuff out when this is an alternative route anyway. You should be grateful that they kept it at least the important parts of the manga. Yes, some scenes were slightly rushed, but what can you expect from a 20 min episode.
 
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HandsomeMan said:
Wow, amazing episode! Best one so far.


Lmao. Seriously?

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You should be grateful that they kept it at least the important parts of the manga.


We should be grateful? For what, for them doing their job? If they didn't keep the important parts, what would be left? How exactly should we be grateful to an anime studio animating a manga? This is obviously not a completely alternate route anyway, it's just a different way to tell the events of the manga.

Hopefully Z4k is right and this is the only episode that sucks so bad.
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Jan 31, 2015 5:05 AM

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well, i think this episode is not that bad. i like how ayato fights against his dad's kakuja, arata. it was a great detail.

and im hoping they wont skip suzuya's past. if they skip, that time anime will crap.

about kaneki's situation, i think that was something has to be. i mean, we cant see the development part while the other action parts still remain. thats normal for an anime which has just 12 episodes but manga which has 143 chapters.

the other issue is where the hell is tsukiyama, bitches ?!!!!!!! looks like more ayato means less tsukiyama -.-
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Maledict said:
HandsomeMan said:
Wow, amazing episode! Best one so far.


Lmao. Seriously?

HandsomeMan said:
You should be grateful that they kept it at least the important parts of the manga.


We should be grateful? For what, for them doing their job? If they didn't keep the important parts, what would be left? How exactly should we be grateful to an anime studio animating a manga? This is obviously not a completely alternate route anyway, it's just a different way to tell the events of the manga.

Hopefully Z4k is right and this is the only episode that sucks so bad.


I don't need to hear the opinion of some whiny little boy with a picture of sasuke of what is "good" or "bad". Continue to have bad taste and being a whiny entitled crybaby.
 
Jan 31, 2015 8:21 AM

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What is this sh** I'm watching. I'm utterly speechless.
The best way I can compare what I just watched is that it's like pouring acid on your eyes.
Honestly, there's nothing good that comes with watching it.
 
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I'm having a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what direction Ishida is trying to take this show towards. Okay, so Kaneki joined Aogiri to protect his friends and all that, yet at the first real raid that they perform, he gets dumped into the Cochlea and then tries to pick a fight with the very Ghoul that he was assigned to free, what exactly is his purpose again? He seems to have lost it completely... Then the Eto revelation at the end of the Kaneki beat-down.... how the heck would Eto know Kaneki's relation to Rize already? Not explained at all...

Then again, the whole Cochlea raid was already weird to begin with... Whats with a maximum security prison having such shit defensive capabilities??? This is a facility that houses SS and above Ghouls, you would think they put up equally powerful staff around to maintain law and order in the place, eh? Why does it seem like apart from Amon and Mado, absolutely NO ONE in the facility can stand up against even the lower-grade SS Ghouls?

I'm really looking forward to the fight between the twins and Juzou. Their past connection seems like a good story to tell too.... Really hoping that they don't mess it up....
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HandsomeMan said:
I don't need to hear the opinion of some whiny little boy with a picture of sasuke of what is "good" or "bad". Continue to have bad taste and being a whiny entitled crybaby.


I can assure you i'm not a crybaby nor am i a boy, i was merely curious as to how the hell you thought this was the best episode, which you didn't explain. Incidentally, what do you call the ones who resort to insults over the Internet? And it's not really my opinion, if you read the last 12 pages you would see you're in the minority - this episode sucked.

Lastly, my taste being bad is really amusing coming from the guy who thinks this is the best episode so far. Whatever, see you next week.

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This is a facility that houses SS and above Ghouls, you would think they put up equally powerful staff around to maintain law and order in the place, eh? Why does it seem like apart from Amon and Mado, absolutely NO ONE in the facility can stand up against even the lower-grade SS Ghouls?


Hmm, i'd say that they just don't expect a breakout to occur. All ghouls are kept on RC suppressants, the building itself is structured so that escape is impossible, and the walls are made from quinque steel. Also, all high-class investigators have other duties, like filling up the prison cells with even more ghouls.

About the second part: firstly, SS-ranked ghouls are no joke. S-ranked are hard as it is, and only special class investigators can go toe-to-toe with SS-ranked. Amon and Akira cannot handle SS ghouls. Cochlea's assault was never focused on in the manga, it was just implied - Eto and Tatara were leading it, so there really wasn't much the CCG could do without its key figures, like Arima and Shinohara.
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Whatever, see you next week.


See you next week indeed, considering unlike you I'm actually enjoying the show and looking forward to seeing similar episodes to this one.
 
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emxutaxmine said:
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This.


EXACTLY.
The fight scenes are terrible. Animation is just bad. Maybe I'll drop this.

And I am just sitting here and smiling while reading this kind of comments. I actually thought that it was maybe, just maybe a fluke that Pierrot fucked up Tokyo Ghoul. Boy, am I glad how they proved me wrong.
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Jan 31, 2015 12:15 PM

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Was it just me or was the sound in this episode sub par?
The sound effects seemed bare minimum and the soundtrack didn't seem to fit at all. I was so underwhelmed that part of me is suspicious that the version I watched is different to the actual one (I watched it on kissanime)
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Oh god. That was awful. I think that was some of the worst animation I've ever seen.
 
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