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Jan 26, 2015 11:07 AM

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F/Z and F/SN have lots of fights. Which one(s) do you consider the best? Your favorite(s)?

This includes anime, VN, and/or both.

Rank em and discuss.


For reference, these are all the battles explicitly covered in the VN, if I didn't forget any, and F/Z.


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Jan 26, 2015 11:08 AM

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Are we talking anime-only?
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Jan 26, 2015 11:09 AM
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My answer changes based on this:
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Are we talking anime-only?
 
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Jan 26, 2015 11:10 AM

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If we go of anime only then:
fate/zero-dog fight
fate/stay night-archer vs lancer or saber vs lancer (the rest of the longer fights wern't that impressive for me)
If we go off VN then that opens a whole new can of worms XD

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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Are we talking anime-only?


Anime and VN. Whichever ones you felt were the best, or liked the most, in either format.
 
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Jan 26, 2015 11:24 AM
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You know what I'll just assume everything

1.Shirou vs Archer (UBW Answer)
Easily the best fight in the whole of the visual novel, and the whole Fate franchise. Not because it's flashy or amazing in terms of power or anything-not to say that there weren't cool moments in those terms in it-but because of the emotional weight behind it, Shirou's decisions and thoughts and the conclusion that both Archer and Shirou receive as a result of the fight. Added points for post credits Archers POV.

2.Shirou vs Saber (HF Sparks Liner High)
Shirou's character arc in HF ultimately leads to him killing Saber, who had saved him, in his decision to save Sakura, so this is maybe the most thematically relevant battle in the whole VN. Well, actually no, because this is a bad end and the "actual" fight is in Crazy Train II, but nevertheless the weight of that is carried over here too. And this is, in a word, awesome. Even the Taiga Dojo acknowledges that it's such an amazing end you could consider it an "alternate end" to HF. Saber and Shirou's exchange, Shirou breaking well past his limits and Saber's last words and thoughts all make this great.

3.Shirou vs Kirei (HF All the Evils of the World)
Once more a fight that isn't too flashy, but is relevant and weighty in other terms. Kirei's character developed well throughout HF and it comes to an appropriate and needed conclusion here, where two ideals and two incredibly GAR motherfuckers fight it out in a battle of fists. Both Kirei's and Shirou's resolve here to keep going despite both being basically dead, one for what he has lived for and one for the woman he has chosen to live for, made this even more incredible.

4.Shirou vs Gilgamesh (UBW Unlimited Blade Works)
Holy shit, who even saw this one coming, right? Shirou's character arc in UBW also ends here, in an amazing way, with his internal thoughts being a highlight as well. Gilgamesh getting owned by Shirou and Shirou's sheer badassery upped this fight a lot (Do you have enough swords at your disposal, King of Heroes?) And Shirou's realization of his own UBW chant, differing from Archers on important points, made this fight great.
I am the bone of my sword
Steel is my body and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unaware of loss, Nor aware of gain
Withstood pain to create weapons, waiting for one’s arrival
I have no regrets. This is the only path
My whole life was unlimited blade works

5.Kiritsugu vs Kirei (F/Z Final Battle)
Huh, making this list made me realize I prefer battles like this over those overly flashy super powered ones. Kiritsugu vs Kirei was once again a battle that managed to have a lot of weight on it (one of two in F/Z I consider to have that). And all in all the clash of Kerry and Kirei's methods and ideals, in the same way as Shirou and Kirei's (though not as well executed) felt great to watch, and while the fight was interrupted, it was a great conclusion.

6.Shirou vs Berserker (HF Nine Bullet Revolver)
Like SLH, this is an amazing fight. Rather than Sakura, this one is more about Shirou protecting Illya, but is also relevant to his decision in HF as a whole. It is the first time he takes off the shroud, and Archer's appearance was so full of GAR my brain overheated. NLBW vs Berserker and Berserkers last look at Illya towards the end were also great.

7.Saber vs Gilgamesh (Fate Fate/Stay Night II)
8.Shirou and Rider vs Saber Alter (HF Crazy Train II)
9.Rin Vs Sakura (HF Gem Sword Zelretch)
10.Saber vs Rider (Fate Sword of Promised Victory)
11.Saber vs Berserker (F/Z Underground Battle)
12.Lancer vs Archer (UBW Lance of Sure Hit, Shield of no Loss)
13.Gilgamesh Vs F/Z Berserker (F/Z Dogfight)
14.Saber vs Kuzuki (UBW Poisonous Snake, Jack of All trades)
15.Gilgamesh vs Rider (F/Z Battle on the Bridge)
16.Saber vs Berserker (Fate Twelve Labours)
17.Saber vs F.Assassin (UBW Unnamed Great Style)
18.Kirei vs True Assassin and Zouken (HF Battle in the Forest Overload)

Might add more or make changes later.
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Jan 26, 2015 11:28 AM

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Visual novel:
Saber vs Gil-kun (Fate)
Shirou vs Archer (UBW)
Shirou vs Gil-kun (UBW)
Shirou vs Saber (HF SPARKS HIGH LINER END AWWW YEAAAHHH)
Dark Sakura vs Rin w/Gem Sword (HF)
Shirou vs Kotomine (HF)

Anime-only:
Archer vs Lancer. It was the first F/SN battle and had tons of EPIC, even utilizing blockbuster things like camera angles and Inception noises in order to enhance the atmosphere, but for some reason all the battles afterwards haven't quite have had that same amount of impact.

...

Um, if I may be allowed to go out on a bit of a limb here, may I be allowed to say the Shirou & Saber vs Berserker battle in the Fate route from the DEENime?

Sure, it wasn't that well animated or anything, and the anime itself wasn't very remarkable, not to mention the battle itself isn't nearly as popular as various others, but... Over six years ago now, when I saw Shirou put his all into projecting Caliburn and then holding it with Saber in order to defeat Berserker in a single strike...you know, there was something about it that was just beautiful beyond words. A nearly exhausted Saber and a mostly useless Shirou combining their powers in order to defeat an unstoppable giant with a bunch of remaining lives. Watching that scene ingrained it really deep down into my memory. It was just that memorable for me. In fact, I can say with confidence that that was the very moment I started being a fan of Fate/stay night in the first place, and if it wasn't for that scene, I probably wouldn't be here in this forum right now.

Hence, I'm really fond of that battle, as well as how it ended. Every time I read through that scene in the VN, I get real big waves of nostalgia. It's really cliche compared to a lot of the other stuff, but hey, what can I say? I guess, in the end, I'm just a sucker for that kind of stuff.
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Jan 26, 2015 11:32 AM
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MercifulPriest said:

Um, if I may be allowed to go out on a bit of a limb here, may I be allowed to say the Shirou & Saber vs Berserker battle from the DEENime?

I like the VN version better myself. Myth Revived is an incredible OST.
 
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1. Shirou vs. Archer (UBW)
2. Shirou vs. Gil (UBW)
3. Shirou vs. Kirei (HF)
4. Lancer vs. Archer (UBW)
5. Rin vs. Sakura (HF)
6. Shirou & Rider vs. Saber Alter (HF)
7. Shirou vs. Berserker (HF)
8. Saber vs. Sasaki (UBW)
9. Kiritsugu vs. Kirei (FZ)
10. Goldie Gil vs. Action Blackie Gil vs. FZ. Berserker (FZ)

 
Jan 26, 2015 11:35 AM

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Insertanamehere said:
MercifulPriest said:

Um, if I may be allowed to go out on a bit of a limb here, may I be allowed to say the Shirou & Saber vs Berserker battle from the DEENime?

I like the VN version better myself. Myth Revived is an incredible OST.


Yeah, the VN version's way better executed, and way more beautiful~ It's just that I saw the anime years before I even knew that F/SN was based off a VN, and it took me another few years or so until I actually tried it out. So the anime battle's the one stuck in my mind.


 
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Shirou vs Archer UBW
Shirou vs Berserker HF
Shirou vs Kirie HF
Shirou vs Saber HF SLH
 
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Jan 26, 2015 11:42 AM
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dem grafics
ufotable eat your heart out
 
Jan 26, 2015 11:56 AM

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My top 5:

1. Shirou vs. Archer (UBW)
2. Shirou vs. Saber (SLH)
3. Shirou vs. Kirei (HF)
4. Shirou vs. Gil (UBW)
5. Kerry vs. Kirei (FZ)

I really like the premise of Shirou vs. Gil. But in the VN, it's not as epic as I expected. It kinda fall flat after UBW summoning. Maybe Nasu didn't have enough idea.

If they decide to rip-off Prisma Illya, it will be fucking awesome though. Need unlimited sword spamming from both sides.
 
Jan 26, 2015 12:06 PM
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Edited in some explanation of why I like them so it doesn't just become lazy listing.
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Need unlimited sword spamming from both sides.

That does happen, though.
 
Jan 26, 2015 12:10 PM

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Insertanamehere said:

chickenonthepan said:

Need unlimited sword spamming from both sides.

That does happen, though.


Compare to the fight vs. Gil Angelica in Prisma, this fight really falls flat...

It's like not enough detailed descriptions from the narrative.

I really hope Ufo will make the fight between Faker and Original as epic as in Prisma.
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chickenonthepan said:
Insertanamehere said:


That does happen, though.


Compare to the fight vs. Gil Angelica in Prisma, this fight really fall flat...

Because you can't see the sword spamming...?
I mean, it's not shown because there's no effect for it, but GoB Vs UBW is happening throughout that fight from what I inferred from the text.
 
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Insertanamehere said:
chickenonthepan said:


Compare to the fight vs. Gil Angelica in Prisma, this fight really fall flat...

Because you can't see the sword spamming...?
I mean, it's not shown because there's no effect for it, but GoB Vs UBW is happening throughout that fight from what I inferred from the text.


It's like not enough detailed descriptions from the narrative.
 
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chickenonthepan said:
Insertanamehere said:

Because you can't see the sword spamming...?
I mean, it's not shown because there's no effect for it, but GoB Vs UBW is happening throughout that fight from what I inferred from the text.


It's like not enough detailed descriptions from the narrative.


More details would have been nice. I believe Ufotable will do this scene justice.
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Jan 26, 2015 12:22 PM

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I'll just list them for now, will edit the post little by little with explanations why.

1) Shirou vs Archer (UBW; Answer)
2) Shirou vs Saber Alter (HF; Sparks Liner High)
3) Shirou vs Gilgamesh (UBW)
4) Shirou vs Berserker (HF; Nine Bullet Revolver)
5)(Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya 3rei spoiler)

6) (Fate/Hollow Ataraxia spoiler)

7) (Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya 2wei spoiler)

8) Lancer vs Archer (UBW; Lance of Sure Hit, Shield of no Loss)
9) Shirou vs Kirei (HF, especially when paired with Fate version)
10) (Fate/Hollow Ataraxia spoiler)

11) (Fate/Hollow Ataraxia spoiler)


And so on...
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Jan 26, 2015 12:27 PM

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Top 5 from VN and zero in no particular order:
Shirou vs archer (ubw)-idealogy clash of the epicisest kind
shirou vs gil (ubw)-sword spamming is awesome and that moment when shirou cuts of gil's arm before summoning ea is epic
rin vs sakura (hf)-the music and the concept is just so cool with the dimensions and stuff. Also magical fight which you see on screen.
saber vs rider (fate)-so dynamic even for a VN
Gil vs berserker 2.0 (zero)-my dog is this an example of how to properly use CGI. Those epic camera movements and lighting effects and the music just amazing.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
Jan 26, 2015 12:28 PM
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Wait we're including things other than F/SN and F/Z?
 
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I find it a bit surprising only one person mentioned on Rider vs Saber in Fate. Archer catching Caster offguard in UBW when she paralyzes him was also really cool. I don't think I can properly rank the fights though. I can't remember much of what happened in HF, but I remember I liked Kirei vs True Assassin & Zouken.
 
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PriestMeido said:
chickenonthepan said:


It's like not enough detailed descriptions from the narrative.


More details would have been nice. I believe Ufotable will do this scene justice.


Yeah, if Ufo makes it as epic as it should be, it will be my top 2.

I really like 3 moments in this fight:

- Shirou discovers that he has a selfish wish inside him. He wants to be as "happy" as Kerry the moment he saves him.

- He says to Saber: "Sorry Saber, but I cannot save you."

- UBW summoning.

The thing this fight lacks in the VN is the epicness of the battle.
 
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I find it a bit surprising only one person mentioned on Rider vs Saber in Fate. Archer catching Caster offguard in UBW when she paralyzes him was also really cool. I don't think I can properly rank the fights though. I can't remember much of what happened in HF, but I remember I liked Kirei vs True Assassin & Zouken.

Yeah it is one of the best fights in the VN. Doesn't get enough praise due to it's route probably >_<. Bones creatures where better in the VN.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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My favorites are as followed....

Fate
Saber vs Rider at the skyscraper
Saber vs Gil

UBW
Shirou vs Archer
Shirou vs Gil
Rin vs Caster(Rin kicking the hell of that squishy wizard was awesome :3)
Mah Swords Techniques!
Berserker's last stand against Gil

HF
SLH
Shirou vs Kirei
Shirou vs Berserker
Rin vs Sakura(Gem Sword for the win!)
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Jan 26, 2015 1:14 PM
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Why do you keep saying UWB? >.>
 
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Why do you keep saying UWB? >.>


Unlimited Whiny Bitches.

UBW is the route where 3 bitches keep yelling at each other anyway.
 
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chickenonthepan said:
Insertanamehere said:
Why do you keep saying UWB? >.>


Unlimited Whiny Bitches.

UBW is the route where 3 bitches keep yelling at each other anyway.

If you mean Rin, Shirou and Archer, you should add Gil and Shinji in there.
Maybe Caster too.
 
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Insertanamehere said:
chickenonthepan said:


Unlimited Whiny Bitches.

UBW is the route where 3 bitches keep yelling at each other anyway.

If you mean Rin, Shirou and Archer, you should add Gil and Shinji in there.
Maybe Caster too.


UWB stands for Unlimited Wakame Bros.

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UWB
Rin vs Caster(Rin kicking the hell of that squishy wizard was awesome :3)


Another good fight that they'll animate next cour. Definitely looking forward to that!
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Jan 26, 2015 1:35 PM

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That sound more like HF. I want to see a bitch fight between rin, sakura and rider.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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Insertanamehere said:
Why do you keep saying UWB? >.>


Why the fuck not?!!?!?!?!!?

Ah wait fixed! :P
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Zombiepie said:
Insertanamehere said:
Why do you keep saying UWB? >.>


Why the fuck not?!!?!?!?!!?

Sorry Zombie, but I can't save you.

You are beyond salvation.
 
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There are also other fights like Berserker vs Assassin vs Saber Alter + Shadow that could be crazy if ufotable animates it well.
 
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I can save myself thank you very much. :P

UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW! UBW!
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Jan 26, 2015 1:52 PM

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There are also other fights like Berserker vs Assassin vs Saber Alter + Shadow that could be crazy if ufotable animates it well.

Yep.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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None of them, ufotable has bad fight choreography.
 
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None of them, ufotable has bad fight choreography.

Kind of agree that the choreography was a bit lacking in most of UBW but I thought it was okay in Zero for most part.
That said, this isn't really about Ufotable's work.
 
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They can't all be equally bad? Also I can only judge what I've seen if I want to be taken seriously right?
 
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They can't all be equally bad? Also I can only judge what I've seen if I want to be taken seriously right?

Well the comment has the implication of suggesting that only Ufotable's fights are being judged here

Well surely a lazy mess like Saber vs Caster is worse than....Archer vs Lancer or something.
 
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Honestly to be more serious, I don't think Fate really has that great of fights but I don't think its the focus of the series so its really fine. My favorite fight is probably Archer vs Shirou in the Einzbern castle in UBW as its both a physical and psychological battle.
 
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To be honest, none of the fights in UBW cour 1 makes it to the top list above anyway. XD

All what is good comes with the second half.

And the fights in the VN feel great mostly because of Nasu's fancy descriptions.
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We all know knk has the best ufotabel fight scenes guys.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
 
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And the fights in the VN feel great mostly because of Nasu's fancy descriptions.
I don't know, I find it hard to visualize some of them fully. That's why I like the Shirou and Archer battle so much because its not just swords and magic but words as well. Although maybe there is a fight I'll like better in HF, which I still haven't read.
 
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Anime-only, Lancer vs Archer and Lancer vs Saber are my favorites, because they're well-paced and well-coreographed. The other fights are all lacking in one way or another.

In the VN, most of the fights were intense, but none of them felt amazing to me. I liked true assassin vs Saber and vs Kirei, I hope Ufotable does justice to them in the adaptation.
If we stretch the definition of "fight" a bit, then the part when Shirou gets destroyed by Rider in Fate and realizes that he has to summon Saber is probably my favorite part of the VN.
 
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Anime only: Saber & Archer vs Berserker. Easily the most entertaining to watch.
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Mine is:

1. Shirou vs Archer
2. Shirou vs Gil
3. Shirou vs Berserker (HF)
4. Shirou vs Saber
5. Shirou vs Kirei (HF)
6. Shirou vs Kirei and Saber vs Gil (Specifically when Emiya starts playing)

Anime-only:
1. Saber and Archer vs Berserker
2. Archer vs Lancer round 1
 
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Top three would be

Shirou vs Shirou (Shirou vs Redman)
Shirou vs Shirou (Shirou vs Kirei) (That part when the second half of "light and darkness" plays)
Bazzet vs Rancer

In any order.
 
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Visual novel:
Saber vs Gil-kun (Fate)
Shirou vs Archer (UBW)
Shirou vs Gil-kun (UBW)
Shirou vs Saber (HF SPARKS HIGH LINER END AWWW YEAAAHHH)
Dark Sakura vs Rin w/Gem Sword (HF)
Shirou vs Kotomine (HF)



Literally this but

Anime only:

Saber & Archer vs Berserker. Dat CaldabolG II
Few seconds of Archer vs Assassin.
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Ya forgot Archer vs Lancer

The fight that kicked it off.
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