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Jan 25, 2015 6:05 AM
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Well, that was fun to watch. Maria is still trying to adapt with her role while more trouble arises around her. The episode felt a bit slow imo but overall was fitting with it style. I'm not sure what to think of Ezekiel yet. Her presence in the show brings out a more colorful Maria but I find her somewhat annoying. I also find some of the creatures in this series to be quite fascinating. Some looks like it's fantasy while others looks more real like that fox....

Good episode overall.
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Jan 25, 2015 7:12 AM
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Joseph still wanting to protect Maria despite defying the god's will! It was nice to see him confess xD

Ezekiel getting sent to watch over Maria instead. Ezekiel getting teased and bullied lol.

It was nice to see that there is still a way around the punishment! Losing virginity = no more power though :O

Confronting the church already and declining their offer. I wonder what would happen when the church decides to exterminate Maria :(
Jan 25, 2015 7:28 AM
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Dat confession in front of an archangel :O Rain of blessing XD

Poor Joseph though he won't be getting any Maria any time soon lol...I doubt she'd want to give away her abilities XD

Ezekiel's quite enjoyable :3 How she was getting ping ponged by the owls was hilarious XD Never imagined HanaKana saying "Give away ur virginity to a dog" XD

The way Maria just summoned that giant cat and acted oblivious to Ezekiel was so lol

I don't know what to think about Bernard. He seems to be a good person but I have a feeling he's gonna be quite the extremist later on.
Jan 25, 2015 8:05 AM
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That is a harsh restriction from the Michael. Now she will never get some lol.
Jan 25, 2015 8:08 AM
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Heaven and hell, seemingly dislike Maria.
Jan 25, 2015 8:12 AM
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another great episode

Cernunnos at the end. this is getting quite interesting
Jan 25, 2015 8:30 AM
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Maria dislikes apple cider ^^v and that confession too :)
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Jan 25, 2015 8:36 AM
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Don't worry Joseph. There's plenty of ways to have fun with a girl without taking her virginity.
Jan 25, 2015 8:53 AM
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One day joseph, one day ..

i loved that episode !
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Jan 25, 2015 9:20 AM

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This anime shows a much deeper understanding of western faith than you usually see in fiction involving angels and the supernatural, nevermind Japanese fiction. Did not expect the god Cernunnos turning up, and even less that incredibly fitting speech.

Joseph turning his arrow onto an archangel and invoking "love thy neighbour" was very powerful.

Ezekiel was also cute, though different from how I've imagined it. Michael disappearing looked amazing.
Jan 25, 2015 9:39 AM

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Maria & Joseph, here's your way:
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So this show is Princess Mononoke with bad sex jokes, a reduction in moral complexity, and forest beasts replaced by religious angels. Eh, there's worse stuff this season.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:10 AM

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I kind of like this anime. I think it has potential but I wish I enjoyed the aesthetic more.
Jan 25, 2015 10:40 AM

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u531355 said:
Maria & Joseph, here's your way:

Haha it's been ages since I heard that song.

Was an alright episode. Didn't mind HanaKana's character so far (mostly since everyone picked on her and sandwiched her), and I hope she doesn't become annoying, since she has potential.

Lokos like Incubus will never get a dick, poor guy haha.

I guess with the virginity thing they never really specified anything. I mean she can still be a lesbian, or Joseph can just take the back door.

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Jan 25, 2015 10:46 AM
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Joseph still want to protect Maria, so he is defying the god's will!
Jan 25, 2015 11:01 AM
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These angels are all a bunch of dicks, but thanks to watching Supernatural for many years I'm used to it

Ezekial has a huge stick up her as but with time I think she'll become likable, her personality isn't all that bad tho

I lol'd so hard at the part when she got ganged up on by Artemis and the Incubus but then I died when the Incubus complained about not having a penis yet....All he wants to do is fuck bitches xDDD

Pretty good episode overall, I really enjoyed watching Maria give not only the angels the middle finger but that priest as well

Also is that dark presence at the end suppose to represent Satan or something?
Jan 25, 2015 11:04 AM

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Hmm i did some checking apparently the manga is only 25 chapters in total.

I dont know how it ends since the chapters have not been translated but i am guessing in this series Maria will be the key to end the 100 years war. it could be she loses her powers or not.

Also i think the Angel's perspective of Gods Word should be questioned. this is going to go on a much deeper role regarding how faith in religion and the truth of realities will be and i can't wait to see how it ends.

THe fact they included Cernunnos quite fits with the situation of Maria in her role cause Cernunnos is a celtic god that actually has no real definite interpretation of what he truly was or is... there are thoeries but nobody knows what he truly represent just like how Maria is in this situation cause even tough she is a witch she does good deeds and her motives and actions cannot be defined by said of being a witch or a saint.... just like how Cernunnos is not defined what he truly reperesented but the most common accepted theory is that he representfertility life and death withc fit with the words he said to maria.

A good Show a very good show indeed.. Lets see where this goes from here.
Jan 25, 2015 11:09 AM

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So what do we do when we have a minor on the set? No problem, just cover her eyes and ears and proceed undeterred with the sex jokes and the running gag on Maria's virginity hah
Jan 25, 2015 12:40 PM

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So Maria's virginity is really a part of the story. Lol. What if someone learns about this and spreads the news? All those who hate Maria will come and try to rape her so that she loses her virginity along with her powers. Lol.
Jan 25, 2015 1:10 PM
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So Maria's virginity is really a part of the story. Lol. What if someone learns about this and spreads the news? All those who hate Maria will come and try to rape her so that she loses her virginity along with her powers. Lol.


Not quite, according to Michael it is Maria's sacrifice of her own pleasure that preserves her power (and God is such a troll - he did it because of Joseph's confession - Maria is all sanctimonious, so he is like, lets see you put your money where your vag.....er, mouth is) , so the restriction is really against her volunteering to have sex.
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Doesnt this show kinda hate religion?? it makes sense though
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So Maria's virginity is really a part of the story. Lol. What if someone learns about this and spreads the news? All those who hate Maria will come and try to rape her so that she loses her virginity along with her powers. Lol.


Thankfully that doesn't happen in the manga so it's not occurring here either.

The context also made it clear that what matters is her choice, not what you're suggesting. It wouldn't work that way.
Jan 25, 2015 1:46 PM
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Now I have absolute proof that the Lord loves lolis, long live lolis.
Jan 25, 2015 1:51 PM

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I absolutely love those little birds. The fight was really funny

I felt bad for that hog though
Jan 25, 2015 1:55 PM

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Poor Maria has to stay a virgin. Can't imagine how horrible that would be.
Jan 25, 2015 1:59 PM

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"I just want to do it with anyone already!" - Priapos
Haha that scene though. It was really funny.

Poor Maria. She'll lose her powers if she has sex.
And that stupid church -.- I agree with Maria.

Jan 25, 2015 2:36 PM
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These angels are all a bunch of dicks, but thanks to watching Supernatural for many years I'm used to it

Ezekial has a huge stick up her as but with time I think she'll become likable, her personality isn't all that bad tho

I lol'd so hard at the part when she got ganged up on by Artemis and the Incubus but then I died when the Incubus complained about not having a penis yet....All he wants to do is fuck bitches xDDD

Pretty good episode overall, I really enjoyed watching Maria give not only the angels the middle finger but that priest as well

Also is that dark presence at the end suppose to represent Satan or something?




>>All he wants to do is fuck bitches xDDD

Man is as it is lol
Jan 25, 2015 2:59 PM
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Also is that dark presence at the end suppose to represent Satan or something?


No, it is a pagan god from Celtic mythology. Though in popular witch tradition the two were conflated.

But this is where things get a bit weird. The Catholic Church really never persecuted witches. Most of the stories about witch burnings were invented in the 19th century (this is not to say that witches were not burnt, but the numbers are far smaller than most people think, and they actually primarily occurred in the 1500 and 1600s - not the middle ages (ironically the clergy knew better before the so called "enlightenment" occurred). This was because late 19th century historians took anti Catholic fiction as fact (and did so for about 100 years until modern historians actually thought to check the records ).

The idea that witchcraft was actual a form of paganism is also modern, it was invented in the 1920s by someone named Margaret Murray. She claimed that the witches worshiped the "horned god", and this is where the Celtic god was brushed off and assumed to be the one witches worshiped. Her stuff has pretty much been discredited, but it has achieved a second life in feminist studies (which says a lot about feminist studies).
Jan 25, 2015 3:05 PM

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Well, now Maria have to be more carefully with is own magic, and if she loses her virginity she also loses her powers...
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Jan 25, 2015 3:13 PM

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The show's just getting more and more interesting.
Glad they held off putting the whole "virgin" thing into play for a while, waiting until she had some reason to want to get rid of it. Maria continues to be a pretty great character in this episode. I like Joseph, but so far his character seems a little bit boring. He's got decent development, but I hope he gets fleshed out some more.
The version of practiced Christianity in this anime is actually really accurate, and I like that. Keeps everything grounded in the historical setting.
Also, jokes about Priapus's lack of package of any sort will never not be funny.

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Tokoya said:
Also is that dark presence at the end suppose to represent Satan or something?


No, it is a pagan god from Celtic mythology. Though in popular witch tradition the two were conflated.

But this is where things get a bit weird. The Catholic Church really never persecuted witches. Most of the stories about witch burnings were invented in the 19th century (this is not to say that witches were not burnt, but the numbers are far smaller than most people think, and they actually primarily occurred in the 1500 and 1600s - not the middle ages (ironically the clergy knew better before the so called "enlightenment" occurred). This was because late 19th century historians took anti Catholic fiction as fact (and did so for about 100 years until modern historians actually thought to check the records ).

The idea that witchcraft was actual a form of paganism is also modern, it was invented in the 1920s by someone named Margaret Murray. She claimed that the witches worshiped the "horned god", and this is where the Celtic god was brushed off and assumed to be the one witches worshiped. Her stuff has pretty much been discredited, but it has achieved a second life in feminist studies (which says a lot about feminist studies).


Actually, what was considered "witchcraft" back in the time of the hundred year's war pretty much was Paganism. Most of this "witchcraft" were just traditional remedies and rituals derived from local Pagan traditions.
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Actually, what was considered "witchcraft" back in the time of the hundred year's war pretty much was Paganism. Most of this "witchcraft" were just traditional remedies and rituals derived from local Pagan traditions.


Most folk remedies were just that "folk remedies", they weren't really tied to "paganism" nor where they really considered "witchcraft" (all cultures have "magic", it was just one of those background radiation things that people just accepted as is). The idea that "witchcraft" was associated with anything "pagan" was invented within the last 150 years as a rationalization for why the church condemned "witchcraft", but the funny thing is that the church really never cared about "witchcraft", so the rationalization was about something that never happened.

The whole idea that they burnt witches in the middle ages is a myth. Joan of Arc was burnt for 'heresy', but it was quite clear it was a secular political execution by the British with "heresy" as the excuse (and ultimately they couldn't even prove her guilty of heresy, she ended up be killed because they accused her of perjury for wearing men's clothing despite promising not to).

But this didn't stop people from inventing a whole host of ideas about this supposed persecution: no, midwives were not targeted, indeed on the balance if a midwife was involved she was on the persecuting side, nor was witchcraft targeted at women (of the 30-40,000 witched burnt in European history, around 25-30% were men). The whole idea that witches were women was invented by 1 person in 1485 in a book that the Catholic church never took seriously (and indeed frequently condemned), and which achieved its chief fame far after the "witch craze" ended.

And most ironically. Chances are the Catholic Church and in particular the Inquisition SAVED far more people accused of witchcraft than not. Where the Inquisition was in power there were no witch burnings and when witch crazes spilled across the borders, they were quick to stamp it out (particularly the Jesuits). There is a reason why the majority of witch burnings occurred in border regions, where central authority did not exist.

I highly recommend reading some of the modern research on witchcraft. It is amazing how little all of us thought was true about it was just made up 200 or less years ago.
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Doesnt this show kinda hate religion?? it makes sense though


Well the church used their power very wrongly in that time period, I wouldn't say that this show is inaccurate when it comes to religion.

Joseph is a true man, even defying an angel for Maria. I don't see why Maria wouldn't give her virginity to him eventually. Ezekiel is so adorable! Kana's voice really suits her (and I love her sassy voice)
Jan 25, 2015 3:46 PM
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Was sad there were no lewd phrases this ep.
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Another good episode. I hope there is character development by the end.
Jan 25, 2015 4:27 PM
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Thankfully that doesn't happen in the manga so it's not occurring here either.


So, I assume you have read the manga ?
Because I could only read the first 12 chapters and it seems the anime is using another order for the events or diverging from it and I wanted to ask if this is the case from a manga reader.
Jan 25, 2015 6:00 PM

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"I'm going to die of hunger before I die in the war."

Besides the church & heavens, I can see Maria making enemies out of mercenaries as well.

That's 3 great episodes in a row now - this show's as much of a surprise to me as Bahamut was last season. It might not match it in style but if these 3 episodes are anything to go by, it makes up for it in substance.
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this is getting more and more heavy.....it kinda feels like spice and wolf with the philosophical heaven and earth and devil debate and weather the other beings with powers are evil or heretic or not even though they are doing more good than harm.....
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Jan 25, 2015 7:00 PM

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I hope Joseph and Maria get together in the end. Without losing her powers.

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Jan 25, 2015 9:39 PM

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dear God this show is gonna have so much hhhnnnnngggggg
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Jan 25, 2015 10:33 PM

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Now I have absolute proof that the Lord loves lolis, long live lolis.


well i read somewhere that kids is like clear water... pure, when kids die they will always go to heaven

abyss333 said:
Doesnt this show kinda hate religion?? it makes sense though


i don't think so, it just shows many sides of Christianity, especially the corruption of other priest at that specific time
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The owls vs Ezekiel is officially the best fight in anime history!
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The owls vs Ezekiel is officially the best fight in anime history!


ROTFL

Well, I still like Majin Vegeta versus Goku as one of the most epic fights in anime history.

This episode makes me wish the series was already done so I could marathon it, but on the other hand, it works out well since I am busy this week anyhow.

Great series, great episode, although slower than previous it showed much more of the characters which are playing an important role. Love how Bernard is calmly biding his time until he can "eliminate" witch Maria, and how the "Ancient Ones" visit Maria to talk to her.

Fun times, so much happened in this episode in a very subtle way, this is well written and I will likely re-watch it a lot even more than Steins;Gate.
Jan 26, 2015 1:23 PM

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You tell them Joseph. Anyway, some are warmongers, some are balance keepers, while others just don't want any wars. Depending on the story, I can be swayed to any side. In this case, I like Maria.
Also, here she's more of a saint than the other saints, including God! For a witch, that are seen as evil, it sure feels nice.

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Yamada2 said:
So Maria's virginity is really a part of the story. Lol. What if someone learns about this and spreads the news? All those who hate Maria will come and try to rape her so that she loses her virginity along with her powers. Lol.


Not quite, according to Michael it is Maria's sacrifice of her own pleasure that preserves her power (and God is such a troll - he did it because of Joseph's confession - Maria is all sanctimonious, so he is like, lets see you put your money where your vag.....er, mouth is) , so the restriction is really against her volunteering to have sex.


Won't stop DJ'ns from getting riled up in the next events haha.
Jan 26, 2015 4:35 PM

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Joseph is a manly man.
Jan 26, 2015 6:27 PM

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I don't think anybody could truly hate apple cider.
Jan 26, 2015 6:28 PM

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I just hope Maria likes it in the butt.
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I think I'm falling or may have already fallen in love with this anime.

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Jan 27, 2015 3:32 PM

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The owls fighting was absolutely adorable.

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I just hope Maria likes it in the butt.
Haha. Yea technically she'd still be a virgin if she does anal ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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