| ... from fighting Caster? I thought it was stupid, but I need a specific reason why he used a Command Spell on Saber to stop her from getting Caster? Edit: Removed spoiler in title. |
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| Because he feared for Taiga's life, as she was held captive. I don't think he used the command spell, purposely/consciously. Same how he stopped Saber in the first episode. |
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| I believe that wasn't his intention. |
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| Shirou had no other choice. If you think Saber could defeat Caster inside her "territory" then you are mistaken, Saber sucks at aerial combat. Using her Noble Phantasm would leave Taiga dead and then she'll just disappear almost immediately afterwards (due to running out of mana). |
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tsudecimo said: This is exactly it.Because he feared for Taiga's life, as she was held captive. I don't think he used the command spell, purposely/consciously. Same how he stopped Saber in the first episode. |
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| No he did use the command spell consciously. He knew full well Taiga will die if it continues for even a second so he stopped Saber the only way he could. |
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| I don't understand either. He should have prioritized Seiba-waifu. |
JustKurious said: I thought it was stupid, but I need a specific reason why he used a Command Spell on Saber to stop her from getting Caster? How many time can Saber "get" Caster already? I remember one time when Saber stabbed Caster's stomach and Caster laughed in her face. |
chickenonthepan said: JustKurious said: I thought it was stupid, but I need a specific reason why he used a Command Spell on Saber to stop her from getting Caster? How many time can Saber "get" Caster already? I remember one time when Saber stabbed Caster's stomach and Caster laughed in her face. or when Archer rushed and cut Caster to pieces and she responded by trying to beamspam them to all hell? |
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| Hey you know what the title is? Spoilers. |
| 1)as said in previous episodes she can't be beaten within her own territory(territories as in these boundary feild/pocket dimentions) 2)as rin said in a previous episode even if they managed to beat caster inside her own field she can ensure mutual death 3) Shirou was trying to save taiga, his only family left in the world, Saber's actions almost got her killed 4)while saber is one of the best CQC servants so caster utilised arial hit and run tactics to get around it just like rider/and not-rider. Caster doesnt have to "beat" saber in order to defeat her. not to mention rin and shirou still could have gotten swarmed by golems in the meantime or laser blasted. does shirou need rule of cool on his side just for his actions to make sense to you? let me guess archer saber and kiritsugu can do no wrong because they are lolsbadass? |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: To add to that, ONLY Shirou knew Caster is near invincible inside her boundary(from their previous encounter) and noticed the threads around Taiga (which need Servant-class attacks to destroy). Saber didn't notice those and she prioritized Shirou, disregarding Taiga. Also Saber wouldn't be able to defeat Caster before she can insta-kill her hostage or use her a shield. Their was also the possibility of Caster being a fake or shadow. Shirou used the Command Seal accidentally as he wanted to save Taiga. If this seems stupid, i would hate to be your family in a desperate or lose-lose situation. Sorry, but this is wrong. Saber knew quite well about the strings around Taiga's neck. I mean, she traced them in a previous episode to Shirou. Like I said, plain hating... I mean, Rin saw it too. They can all see it perfectly well. There's a reason none of them moved whilst listening to Caster. Trust me, they would have continued attacking if not for that ~.~ |
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mira-lala said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: To add to that, ONLY Shirou knew Caster is near invincible inside her boundary(from their previous encounter) and noticed the threads around Taiga (which need Servant-class attacks to destroy). Saber didn't notice those and she prioritized Shirou, disregarding Taiga. Also Saber wouldn't be able to defeat Caster before she can insta-kill her hostage or use her a shield. Their was also the possibility of Caster being a fake or shadow. Shirou used the Command Seal accidentally as he wanted to save Taiga. If this seems stupid, i would hate to be your family in a desperate or lose-lose situation. Sorry, but this is wrong. Saber knew quite well about the strings around Taiga's neck. I mean, she traced them in a previous episode to Shirou. Like I said, plain hating... I mean, Rin saw it too. They can all see it perfectly well. There's a reason none of them moved whilst listening to Caster. Trust me, they would have continued attacking if not for that ~.~ So: - Saber doesn't notice the string SO she engages Caster - Saber notices the string BUT she still engages Caster -> Fuck Taiga Pick one. |
chickenonthepan said: well...i mean...she almost liiterally said fuck taiga in the source material.....mira-lala said: Sorry, but this is wrong. Saber knew quite well about the strings around Taiga's neck. I mean, she traced them in a previous episode to Shirou. Like I said, plain hating... I mean, Rin saw it too. They can all see it perfectly well. There's a reason none of them moved whilst listening to Caster. Trust me, they would have continued attacking if not for that ~.~ So: - Saber doesn't notice the string SO she engages Caster - Saber notices the string BUT she still engages Caster -> Fuck Taiga Pick one. |
chickenonthepan said: mira-lala said: Sorry, but this is wrong. Saber knew quite well about the strings around Taiga's neck. I mean, she traced them in a previous episode to Shirou. Like I said, plain hating... I mean, Rin saw it too. They can all see it perfectly well. There's a reason none of them moved whilst listening to Caster. Trust me, they would have continued attacking if not for that ~.~ So: - Saber doesn't notice the string SO she engages Caster - Saber notices the string BUT she still engages Caster -> Fuck Taiga Pick one. The second. I thought it was obvious. We know she's done worst....to what she wants to protect, even ~.~ Dragon_Slayer_X said: mira-lala said: Sorry, but this is wrong. Saber knew quite well about the strings around Taiga's neck. I mean, she traced them in a previous episode to Shirou. Like I said, plain hating... I mean, Rin saw it too. They can all see it perfectly well. There's a reason none of them moved whilst listening to Caster. Trust me, they would have continued attacking if not for that ~.~ Sigh.......Mira you just made Saber look even more bad. Also i don't hate Saber. She is tho. Everyone has flaws. Her flaw is killing 1 person(Taiga) to "save thousands/millions". She is just going to pass it off as a casualty. Plus, actions prove more than words. Even tho it's quite ironic in this case, you've acted like you hate or dislike here, and now state that you don't hate her ~.~ |
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| Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. |
SwordHand said: well it is called an ambush for a reason....Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. |
SwordHand said: Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. That doesn't go against what's being discussed, though. It just means that's how the grown to think. They're instincts are to sacrifice the few for the many - they don't even need to think about it. |
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SwordHand said: Well, yes, actually. Shirou's the only one there actually only listening to Caster. Saber already knows what she's saying, and Rin is a magus. Saber is trainedhas trained herself to think fast in situations as such. Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. Plus, it's what she's followed through her entire life. Taiga's significance seems small, compared to thousands-millions. And, in the end, if she achieves her wish, killing Taiga will most likely, not happen, as she's not there to make it happen. |
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Mickdrew said: SwordHand said: Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. That doesn't go against what's being discussed, though. It just means that's how the grown to think. They're instincts are to sacrifice the few for the many - they don't even need to think about it. Humans are built to instinctively react to the problem at hand, not in the future. And I'm sure there are plenty of adults who'd rather see a family member saved than a couple of strangers. mira-lala said: SwordHand said: Well, yes, actually. Shirou's the only one there actually only listening to Caster. Saber already knows what she's saying, and Rin is a magus. Saber is trainedhas trained herself to think fast in situations as such. Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. Plus, it's what she's followed through her entire life. Taiga's significance seems small, compared to thousands-millions. And, in the end, if she achieves her wish, killing Taiga will most likely, not happen, as she's not there to make it happen. Not many people have problems with Saber or Rin in the scene. I don't have much to say about Saber in this scene except for the fact that she's an accomplished concert heartstring player. |
SwordHand said: Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. They ARE. AT least Shirou is. That's the whole point of his character. Instead of freaking out he is playing chess in his head. |
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CookingPriest said: SwordHand said: Some of you guys are talking as if the characters are running calculations in their head while everythings going down. In the end, blood boils and people make tough decisions. They ARE. AT least Shirou is. That's the whole point of his character. Instead of freaking out he is playing chess in his head. never knew he was secretly gary kasparov i guess im a secondary |
CookingPriest said: They ARE. AT least Shirou is. That's the whole point of his character. Instead of freaking out he is playing chess in his head. He wasn't in the scene in the VN, he was pretty enraged and his thinking was messed up. Stopping Saber was a split second decision. That said, one could argue that Saber actually did "calculate" or whatever because unlike Shirou she'd be more familiar with such situations and Taiga isn't family or anything to her. It just happens that her conclusion was one Shirou logically disagreed with. |
SwordHand said: Not many people have problems with Saber or Rin in the scene. I don't have much to say about Saber in this scene except for the fact that she's an accomplished concert heartstring player. http://image.blingee.com/images17/content/output/000/000/000/5d5/505811603_1160298.gif |
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Insertanamehere said: CookingPriest said: They ARE. AT least Shirou is. That's the whole point of his character. Instead of freaking out he is playing chess in his head. He wasn't in the scene in the VN, he was pretty enraged and his thinking was messed up. Stopping Saber was a split second decision. That said, one could argue that Saber actually did "calculate" or whatever because unlike Shirou she'd be more familiar with such situations and Taiga isn't family or anything to her. It just happens that her conclusion was one Shirou logically disagreed with. Just because you are enraged, does not mean you are not playing chess. Seiba's thinking pretty much was: "Shirou = food sourcemaster Taiga = rival for food random girl Thus shirou > taiga" |
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CookingPriest said: Insertanamehere said: He wasn't in the scene in the VN, he was pretty enraged and his thinking was messed up. Stopping Saber was a split second decision. That said, one could argue that Saber actually did "calculate" or whatever because unlike Shirou she'd be more familiar with such situations and Taiga isn't family or anything to her. It just happens that her conclusion was one Shirou logically disagreed with. Just because you are enraged, does not mean you are not playing chess. Seiba's thinking pretty much was: "Shirou = food sourcemaster Taiga = rival for food random girl Thus shirou > taiga" It's not even this. This is just random hate. You're saying Shirou has a more advanced mind than Saber when he's playing chess whilst she's playing house. This is ridiculous. |
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SwordHand said: CookingPriest said: They ARE. AT least Shirou is. That's the whole point of his character. Instead of freaking out he is playing chess in his head. never knew he was secretly gary kasparov i guess im a secondary I always saw the shirou, during VN, as a guy who had polls and practical thoughts in situations where it was. It was not that cold and calculating that analyzes everything coldly and took the best decisions. That would be almost a Gary Stu. He's not used to this kind of situation (blackmail hostage), and was still angry, for obvious reasons. For me, instead of someone playing chess in his head as he is in a dangerous situation, predicting events and choosing the best path (Army strategist), it would be more like a captain of a battalion, taking the path of action more practical and effective with the imposed situation (if that makes sense, but it was better analogy I thought now). |
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