| Finally we know the true idendity of Friend : Do you remember of Katsumata : the student who "died" when our heroes were at the college ? He was Friend !! |
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| AHH, so thats who it was. So there were like three kids with that mask on then. Fukubei, Katsumata, and Sadakiyo. SO when SadaKiyo left Katsu replaced him I guess. -Supposedly this kid had died during middle school before the dissection experiment not college, just for a correction. |
| I seriously can't remember who katsumata is. D: |
katsup said: I seriously can't remember who katsumata is. D: You're not alone. D: I was reading 21st Century Boys before it was completely scanlated, which was a really long time after I finished 20CB. D: |
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| Him being dead was only a rumor. The three Musketeers were actually four. Remember in volume 16 when Fukube looked at himself in a mirror and saw a faceless head and screamed like a girl ? It was Katsumata. Most likely. As for the whole simulation thing actually being a device to go back in the past... I don't think there's actually something to understand. Naoki Urasawa clearly wanted to end his manga by any possible means, because he made it drag for too long. I noticed during the last 5 volumes or so that Urasawa himself seems to be lost in all the hints he drops at each chapter, and realized it was a bad idea to introduce a new Friend while he could have ended his manga at Fukube's death. So he just made this... ending... and stuff... Things just happen, turn off your brain and enjoy the conclusion. PS : Pluto kicks ass. |
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| This sequel ruined 20th century boys for me. The protagonist magically becomes a guitar strumming hippie who's suffering from amnesia!?! 4/10 EPIC FAIL! |
arimakenshin said: This sequel ruined 20th century boys for me. The protagonist magically becomes a guitar strumming hippie who's suffering from amnesia!?! 4/10 EPIC FAIL! Huh? WTF are you talking about he was already a guitar strumming hippie who suffered amnesia in 20th Century Boys, 21st Century Boys was basically tying up loose ends. |
saintcross said: Huh? WTF are you talking about he was already a guitar strumming hippie who suffered amnesia in 20th Century Boys, 21st Century Boys was basically tying up loose ends. Exactly why it's 4/10. It's a manga about a guitar strumming hippie who was thought to be dead and manages to grind everything to a halt in the last few chapters. |
| Wohoo! This is the greatest manga for me! It's super awesome! Heroes/Protagonists who are slightly immortal on story where looks like supernatural turned to be 3/4 realistc. The only thing bugs me is Kanna's super power :) But it's already paid to me because she's cute. My Conclusion about Katsumata: Katsumata is a forgotten guy. He's not classmate of Kenji and Co. because he's from other section. As you can see, Katsumata being death is just another bombastic created rumor by fukubei. That's why on their 6th grade, they have rumor about katsumata dissecting carp on science room. Maybe because science room at night is fukubei's secret meeting place with his gang so the effect of the rumor is other kids wouldl not go there at night. Reference: 21st Century Volume 1, when the old woman from jijibaba's store attacked katsumata because of stealing the badge and then yamane and fukubei were on the scene, fukubei said that a "death penalty" is to be given to katsumata where fukubei and yamane ignore the appearance of crying katsumata "I am not the one who stole it" by fukubei saying somethign like this: I hear something but I can't see anyone(Natural Child's Scheme). And about the no face thing, those "no face" thing have only shown in virtual reality. Maybe because the virtual reality is really based from fukubei's memory and didn't have a picture or a great memory of what's katsumata's kid's face is because we knew that katsumata undergone a plastic surgery. It's like the case of fukubei's masked character on the virtual reality. He doesn't have a normal face but have a face of an adult face of sadakiyo. Maybe because hiding the face of the two 'friends' on the virtual reality is done to make it harder to figure out who's friend. Oh gotta read another works of Naoki Urasawa. Some said it Pluto kicks ass. And oh, I disagree about 4/10. For me, It's 11/10! |
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| there's still one thing that was left unanswered... why did Kenji not approve of how Kanna grew up to be? What's the story behind that little part? |
| I have a question that kinda bothers me.. How did Kenji survived that time? o.o (at the bloody new eve) I mean okay so he saw Friend's face then the robot exploded? and theen? o.o Did it explain it or is my memory too dumb? -.- Btw, 20TH CENTURY BOYS FTW!! DAMN I LOVED THIS MANGA XDD (I just finished reading it all) P.S. wow Katsumata-kun o.o.. |
| When I read the last chapter I was so godamn angry... "WHO IS THAT GUY AND WHY IS KENJI CRYING WHYYYYYYYY" Overall, it was a fun ride but Urusawa`s endings are always like that. |
| Another question.. Why didn't Kenji want to sing Bob Lennon again? |
Sandra-chan said: I have a question that kinda bothers me.. How did Kenji survived that time? o.o (at the bloody new eve) I mean okay so he saw Friend's face then the robot exploded? and theen? o.o Did it explain it or is my memory too dumb? -.- Btw, 20TH CENTURY BOYS FTW!! DAMN I LOVED THIS MANGA XDD (I just finished reading it all) P.S. wow Katsumata-kun o.o.. Hmm that's where the author left us to think on our own. My guess is he did miraculously survive and the 2nd friend maybe knew he's still alive and let him live or make sure kenji lives knowing that he has an amnesia. My basis is friend's final plan is created for revenge on kenji's mistake when they were children. The revenge is so valid because that affected katsumata's life terribly. Labeled as dead and invisible by everyone because of what kenji did when they were children(the ultraman badge thing). It happened because everyone believed that katsumata's a thief not kenji. It's like you don't exist.(oh it hurts). After all, friend got a hold of the whole world and he can even track kenji and made he stays alive until his memory recovers. If you have seen the movie, they made an extra changes in the event when kenji almost die in the explosion. |
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darknagas said: Sandra-chan said: I have a question that kinda bothers me.. How did Kenji survived that time? o.o (at the bloody new eve) I mean okay so he saw Friend's face then the robot exploded? and theen? o.o Did it explain it or is my memory too dumb? -.- Btw, 20TH CENTURY BOYS FTW!! DAMN I LOVED THIS MANGA XDD (I just finished reading it all) P.S. wow Katsumata-kun o.o.. Hmm that's where the author left us to think on our own. My guess is he did miraculously survive and the 2nd friend maybe knew he's still alive and let him live or make sure kenji lives knowing that he has an amnesia. My basis is friend's final plan is created for revenge on kenji's mistake when they were children. The revenge is so valid because that affected katsumata's life terribly. Labeled as dead and invisible by everyone because of what kenji did when they were children(the ultraman badge thing). It happened because everyone believed that katsumata's a thief not kenji. It's like you don't exist.(oh it hurts). After all, friend got a hold of the whole world and he can even track kenji and made he stays alive until his memory recovers. If you have seen the movie, they made an extra changes in the event when kenji almost die in the explosion. Ooooh I see O.O thank you so much, that was a great help xD |
| I think the whole series made sense if you read it all in a few days. The fact that it took me about 4 months to read meant I forgot/got confused with major parts of the plot. Also what I found annoying was the amount of characters. By about chapter 200 in 20th, I had forgotten who half the characters were already. Overall it was fun to read, but I just got lost so often I don't know what the ending means at all. |
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| I really enjoyed this series, i read 20th century boys and 21st century boys within one months time. It was a great read... I kinda cried at the ending when Kenji says goodbye to Sadakiyo... favorite series that i've read so far. |
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templarknight7 said: Do you all not see the genius in making Katsumata the second Friend??!! To all the characters in the story, Katsumata was considered dead. This damaged Katsumata's psyche so much that he almsot destroyed the world. Urasawa even made us, the readers, think Katsumata was dead! That's the worst possible existence for a fictional character, to be considered dead by not only his fellow fictional characters, but by the reader as well! Nah, I think it dragged on way too long. The first 130/140 chapters are really good,the introduction of a second friend ruined the manga for me. He should have ended it after the dead of Fukubei. It's still my fav. manga though:P |
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LLawlietFan said: Also, one question I have that I'm dying to have answered... what was the lie of 1971? It's the fact that Fukube's "resurrection" in the science room was only a trick and that he fucked up and almost died for real. |
| Does someone have a more clear response on how the second friend went on through life? I mean people would notice if he was dead right? i think he would too. And unlike sadakiyo he was in the same town correct? Comment on my page if you can because I'll forget i posted here. Also this is a great manga. Few plotholes though that seem kinda key. |
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| So in the end we never saw Katsumata's face. Kenji and Kanna never talked to each other after being reunited. Kiriko and Kanna never said a word to each other. The ESP thing was never explained. How was Kanna the last hope? I'm pretty sure Kenji did everything here. Great series nonetheless but, I'm not satisfied with this ending. Meh. |
| End was unsatisfying for me because i expected new "Friend" to be really reincarnated Fukubei since he had ESP powers. And if you remember when Fukubei was hang in science room he slipped (though it is not clear what happened afterwards). In virtual reality new "Friend" pulled Fukubei down to choke him in science room saying something like "You have to die here". I thought it was meant Fukubei already died back in science room once. But it may also mean new "Friend" had a grudge on Fukubei. Anyways Urasawa didnt clarify it. |
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| It seems that reading it all within 2 weeks made me less confused than a lot of others. I remembered the rumours about Katsumata, so the second friend's appearance made sense. What an awful existence to have. As for the inevitable comparison to Monster, I only preferred it because it was in anime form which is always better than manga. An anime of 20th Century Boys would probably equalize it. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| sadakiyo :-( great manga. there weren't many loose ends for me. although i do wonder who the "middle aged man" that was killed in sadakiyo's vehicle was (who the group thought to be sadakiyo after seeing the news) hadn't even considered katsumata as being a potential element of the story, but his "death" was always a peculiar story so i guess it's not surprising that there was more to it. according to the spoiler in the mal character listing, it seems, rather than the virtual being linked to reality, he just really had esp in relation to precognition. |
| The fact that you can't even remember who Katsumata is by the end of the series is just so poignant. He "died" in the 20th century, just like a 20th century boy. |
| Back when i was reading ch 136 something bugged me. I'm not sure if i'm missing something but the chapter starts with an interesting conversation between Shikishima's daughter (Lena) and that Killer guy. It was about her commenting that he didn't like her parfume - more on point, her being the first lady. His reply was that she would be the first lady only if her husband was chosen in the next election. While i was reading i wondered who he meant by that. Is her husband Manjoume? But that couldn't be because it was implied earlier that Manjoume had a thing with Takasu (although she was meant to carry, and later carried Friend child). I think this is where Urasawa first really hinted the existence of Katsumata - as being Lenas husband. Moreover, is that the reason Lena was so keen to kill Takasu, since she was carrying the original friends child? I could be totally wrong, but it really caught my eye. And this could strongly prove that Urasawa planned Katsumata being the 2nd friend from the beginning. So, is my thinking correct..? |
crazykedy said: Anyone know who is real father of kanna?? yeah Yuriko said that it's Fukubei. |
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| This sucks. Gave 5/10 just to avoid enraging the fanboys/girls. Actually a 3/10. |
| The original was a sprawling epic that had one of the best, most unique stories I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing. This sequel overall did a serviceable job of tying up most of the loose ends, though it seemed kinda rushed overall (and all the telepathy shenanigans were a liiiiiittle too convenient, but whatevs) I can't really decide which Friend I prefer more. Friend 1.0 had a stronger presence and had the more fleshed out backstory. I like that ultimately he was just a little kid begging for attention. Friend 2.0 on the other hand had the more sympathetic motive and was the more 'human' of the two. His seething hatred towards Kenji was in a way justified since he was the one who practically made him a nobody. Overall 10/10 for 20CB and 8/10 for 21CB |
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| After reading all this time, I sitll have no idea what happened. This got way too confusing for me when we stepped into the virtual world. I was sure it said that the second Friend was much older than Fukubei. I think a reunion of Kenji and his sister was needed at minimum. |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Great series overall but a wee bit unsatisfactory ending. Kenji didn't get to meet his sister (no family reunion Kenji x Kanna x Kiriko), why did he tell Kanna he's disappointed in how she grew up to be, no Kenji x Yukiji until the end even though they were in love with each other ever since primary school, that hurts the most |
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