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Do you adore it? Do you hate it? I'm interested to see people opinions.

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Generally I love it, provided its pretty artifact and mistake free. The late release + low amount of seeders and the trippled datazise make it a pain in the ass to aquire.

I tried using an app to do it in real time but it has too many artifacts and it needs alot of power making my laptop run hot and loud.

Jan 10, 2015 5:38 PM

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is there even such thing as 60fps anime? all the ones i've seen so far is 30fps (slightly less actually)

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IIRC, Japan doesn't produce 60 fps anime, so i'm assuming you mean artificially set 60 fps? I've only watched 2 or 3 clips, don't have a solid opinion about it. But damn that Zankyou no Terror bike scene was smooth at 60 fps.

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Well the main reason for not making 60fps anime is obvious, it costs a shitton of money. Japan doesnt even make real 24 fps anime, I'll be damned if they animate 12 actual distinct fps. The rest are probably just doubled frames and or interpolation.

I still dont see why 60fps isnt done in film tough. Well I do see, its because many people are being dumb dumbs and complain about it "having a soap opera effect", or "looking too fast". People have grown used to watching Motion blur filled crap so much they prefer that shit to real fluid goodness now.

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I bet Archer vs Lancer in 60fps would look beautiful... (fate/stay night ubw 2014)

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Yes sorry for not clarifying PriestSlayer, 60fps through the method of frame interpolation. For those who are curious about 60fps anime heres a guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2i9bwl/guide_for_windows_here_is_how_you_can_watch_all/

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Yes sorry for not clarifying, 60fps through the method of frame frame interpolation. For those who are curious about 60fps anime heres a guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2i9bwl/guide_for_windows_here_is_how_you_can_watch_all/

But does that make any difference?

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Yes, It makes video 60fps which is alot smoother that normal frame rate. Here are some good examples: http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2i75ee/i_heard_you_guys_like_anime_in_60fps

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Yes, It makes video 60fps which is alot smoother that normal frame rate. Here is a good example: http://puu.sh/bXH8O.webm

Wow, no artifacts, no incorrect calculations from what Ive seen, pretty damn good gotta say. Where did you get that?

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A post from reddit, a guy simply using SVP (smooth video project) Which is what i also use. Although creating a 60fps webm is challenging and takes a long time

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Wow, really looks great. Going to try that guide.

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baki502 said:

duffy553 said:
Yes, It makes video 60fps which is alot smoother that normal frame rate. Here is a good example: http://puu.sh/bXH8O.webm

Wow, no artifacts, no incorrect calculations from what Ive seen, pretty damn good gotta say. Where did you get that?

There is a bunch of frame-blending though.

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It was posted a while back, was nice to look through all the clips. My eyes felt a little weird after though.

What we need is a hentai in 60fps, oh man that would be amazing.

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Paul, there is my friend :o

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Oh and someone needs to do it to the MEMEME vid too while they're at it. Lol.

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duffy553 said:
A post from reddit, a guy simply using SVP (smooth video project) Which is what i also use. Although creating a 60fps webm is challenging and takes a long time

Weird it never looked that good for me and I was using the recommended svp settings. I guess it also matters what kind of anime is used, I think I used it alot when I was watching old anime, doesnt work well with those. It looks amazing for 3D stuff tough, Knights of Sidonia was so much better with a 60fps version.

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i love to use SVP http://www.svp-team.com/ more often but my dual-core AMD PC cannot handle it

i hope PC hardware can continue to be cheaper in the future or that SVP or any other fork software of it will be optimize more so that even cheap hardware can use it frequently

and yes i like 60FPS anime eventhough im fine with low FPS anime most of the times

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lol this is really pretentious

Jan 10, 2015 9:11 PM

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Anime was never 60fps to begin with so no.

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It looks terrible, to me. It's just faking frames and it makes it seem unnatural to my eyes x__x

I'll just stick to the normal fps, like it was intended.

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well in webms it looks okay, but i think if i watched entire episodes like that i'd get a headache.

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24 or 60, it doesn't matter too much.

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if my anime came with that option i'd use it.

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Anime is animated at like 12fps or something. All this does is make the camera panning more smooth, which only creates an awkward contrast between the actual animation.

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baki502 said:
Well the main reason for not making 60fps anime is obvious, it costs a shitton of money. Japan doesnt even make real 24 fps anime, I'll be damned if they animate 12 actual distinct fps. The rest are probably just doubled frames and or interpolation.

I still dont see why 60fps isnt done in film tough. Well I do see, its because many people are being dumb dumbs and complain about it "having a soap opera effect", or "looking too fast". People have grown used to watching Motion blur filled crap so much they prefer that shit to real fluid goodness now.

That's so true but also so sad

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I still dont see why 60fps isnt done in film tough. Well I do see, its because many people are being dumb dumbs and complain about it "having a soap opera effect", or "looking too fast". People have grown used to watching Motion blur filled crap so much they prefer that shit to real fluid goodness now.

To be fair, The Hobbit sucks.

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Veronin said:
Anime is animated at like 12fps or something. All this does is make the camera panning more smooth, which only creates an awkward contrast between the actual animation.

Uuuuh no. It's called frame interpolation. Look it up. This is why you need a beefy PC to actually render it.

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Just tested the SVP. In some animes looks great while in others not so much.

I tested in 3 animes:
Fate/Stay Night UBW 2014 (Archer vs Lancer) 1080p - Looks a little better, but that's because the animations were already great to begin with.

Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei ep1 and some fight moments 1080p - GREAT IMPROVEMENT! Since the original animation is not that smooth, the SVP made some real improvement and it was really nice to watch.

Chrome Shelled Regios 480p - Some moments were good, some others were bad like when we see capes shake... Maybe it was because of the low resolution.

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If the animation is better the show is better too.

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Someone needs to make Musashi 60fps.

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Chrome Shelled Regios 480p - Some moments were good, some others were bad like when we see capes shake... Maybe it was because of the low resolution.

Capes, flags in the wind generally dont look too good in my experience. Interpolation is basically calculating what the image would look like between 2 frames, which doesnt work well for spastic irregular stuff. Dances also tend to look kind of weird sometimes. Also the more frames where animated to begin with the less mistakes are made in the calculations and the less weird it looks.

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baki502 said:

JCAPER said:

Chrome Shelled Regios 480p - Some moments were good, some others were bad like when we see capes shake... Maybe it was because of the low resolution.

Yeah, it makes a lot of mistakes in that anime.

But what I find awkward is that I downloaded this video:
Fate/Zero heavy spoilers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tovAPayJ_Pk
And it also has some moments like wind moving and capes, and the SVP didn't screw up.

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Wait, it was just me being a noob.
I didn't notice that SVP was using another profiles when I ran videos with different resolutions. I had to alter them like I did with the 1080p.

Did that and now Chrome Shelled Regios runs like a charm.

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Its alright, sure smoother animation is always preferable, but there's something off about how interpolated stuff looks.

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If an anime were completely made in 60 fps, then I would enjoy it. But altering one that isn't 60 fps seems a little jarring to me at some points.

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It's only good for action scenes.

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I tried it. Battle scenes and camera movements especially looked smoother. Loved it.

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PriestSlayer said:
IIRC, Japan doesn't produce 60 fps anime, so i'm assuming you mean artificially set 60 fps? I've only watched 2 or 3 clips, don't have a solid opinion about it. But damn that Zankyou no Terror bike scene was smooth at 60 fps.

Holy shit, just watched the ZnT 60fps clip. Damn that looked so fresh.

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It's only good for action scenes.

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To me, 60fps anime falls under the same category as upscaling DVDs to 720p -- a desperate attempt to make anime into something it's not just to conform to "modern standards."

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I still dont see why 60fps isnt done in film tough. Well I do see, its because many people are being dumb dumbs and complain about it "having a soap opera effect", or "looking too fast". People have grown used to watching Motion blur filled crap so much they prefer that shit to real fluid goodness now.

That motion blur is what gives live-action movies a sense of unreality and "otherworldliness." So sorry I want to see movies looking like that instead of looking like a bunch of people on a soundstage.

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Zalis said:
To me, 60fps anime falls under the same category as upscaling DVDs to 720p -- a desperate attempt to make anime into something it's not just to conform to "modern standards."

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I still dont see why 60fps isnt done in film tough. Well I do see, its because many people are being dumb dumbs and complain about it "having a soap opera effect", or "looking too fast". People have grown used to watching Motion blur filled crap so much they prefer that shit to real fluid goodness now.

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Zalis said:
To me, 60fps anime falls under the same category as upscaling DVDs to 720p -- a desperate attempt to make anime into something it's not just to conform to "modern standards."

baki502 said:
I still dont see why 60fps isnt done in film tough. Well I do see, its because many people are being dumb dumbs and complain about it "having a soap opera effect", or "looking too fast". People have grown used to watching Motion blur filled crap so much they prefer that shit to real fluid goodness now.

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Zalis said:
To me, 60fps anime falls under the same category as upscaling DVDs to 720p -- a desperate attempt to make anime into something it's not just to conform to "modern standards."

baki502 said:
I still dont see why 60fps isnt done in film tough. Well I do see, its because many people are being dumb dumbs and complain about it "having a soap opera effect", or "looking too fast". People have grown used to watching Motion blur filled crap so much they prefer that shit to real fluid goodness now.

The 48 FPS Hobbit movies didn't look too bad though. I felt like it was way easier to follow action scenes and everything seemed a lot sharper/less blurry. Though if you aren't used to it it really takes away the "otherworldliness" a bit, I know what you mean.

As for anime, if we at least had 24fps all the time that'd be nice lol. Won't ever happen though, only if some new way of animating will be developed or anime suddenly becomes uber popular and makes tons of cash.

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