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Jan 1, 2015 7:13 AM
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VanishingKira said:
Really interested in that thing about everyone (with the exception of Oshino & Kaiki) being "casted"?

Teori getting killed by Yotsugi,inadvertently doing exactly what he was "casted" to do in the first place,to destroy Koyomi's image of Yotsugi from a cute little girl to a bakemono.

Seems things are going to get really interesting in the remain arcs.

I get the same vibe as you
The title itself (monogatari series) Might as well refers to the series of manipulation by ougi (idk always breaking the fourth wall, always seem to know the story told in the ep. Giving the vibe of the final boss of the story) Hence, the title.
"The world won't change, you must change yourself in this world. Now, how will you change yourself? Answer is, become the god of the new world."
 
Jan 1, 2015 7:18 AM

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Did they have a lower budget this season? The animation felt less 'SHAFT' compared to the previous seasons. For example when they were talking in the previous seasons, their mouths had some sort of 'rythm' when they talk but that was completely gone.....

They also replaced those red, black, blue, white screens as well. And I noticed no head tilts e.e...
3/10
9/10. Amazing series as usual. Haven't seen the gatari series in months, this felt so refreshing.
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Jan 1, 2015 7:54 AM

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They fucked up the last (and only) conversation between Tadatsuru and Yotsugi. It should've been much more dramatic (kind of).

Other than that, music is the freaking best, visual is also top notch. I'm satisfied.
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Jan 1, 2015 8:38 AM

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Satisfactory conclusion. I like that Ononoki made up with Koyomi in the end if you can call it so. I started to liked her character with this short series. Nice story and fan-service. The only minus for me is that 'movie' format. I prefer full Monogatari series. 6.5/10
 
Jan 1, 2015 8:42 AM

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That was great, I've really come to appreciate these series. A true treat for the fans in multiple ways.
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Jan 1, 2015 10:23 AM
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This was almost everything I had hoped for, with the only downer IMO being that the conversation between Araragi and Tadatsuru ended too soon and abruptly. But aside from that, loved every bit of Tsuki.

Nice little reference to Lupin III towards the end when Araragi entered his sisters' room.

And now that this part has been animated, maybe now it will be followed up by Kizu-...


nah, as if that'll ever happen.
 
Jan 1, 2015 11:09 AM

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Pretty important arc to the overall story. Araragi can no longer use vampire powers? Wonder how things will happen from now on. I think this episode foreshadows that there will be a situation where he'll use his powers in order to save Senjougahara or Hanekawa.

Fanservice was great like always. Shinobu was full of cuteness.

We actually got to see Senjougahara in the last few minutes. She barely gets any screentime in the series, so it was nice to see her.
 
Jan 1, 2015 11:11 AM

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Gsimp said:
This was almost everything I had hoped for, with the only downer IMO being that the conversation between Araragi and Tadatsuru ended too soon and abruptly. But aside from that, loved every bit of Tsuki.

Nice little reference to Lupin III towards the end when Araragi entered his sisters' room.

And now that this part has been animated, maybe now it will be followed up by Kizu-...


nah, as if that'll ever happen.


in the actual source material, Lupin III references were pretty damn obvious since they were literally stated by Araragi and Ononoki.
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Jan 1, 2015 11:15 AM

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Again and again I'm reminded why I love this series so much ^^

I just realized that Ougi's voice is the same as Michiru's (Grisaia) :O I like her even more now :3 She really is the final boss isn't she XD

Dat "WOW" when Araragi flipped Yotsugi's skirt was lol XD

"I have my secret technique the Dogeza" XD

I didn't expect Kagenui to have never walked on the ground because she can't :O A curse?

Yotsugi really just killed him like that O_o. I want to see Oshino >.<

Hitagi was so kawaii when she fed Koyomi the chocolate and said "Yay" when he liked it <3
And did they do it? :3

So I'm guessing Koyomi's hair was long in Hanamonogatari because he can't be seen by a mirror anymore? So he'll never cut his hair again XD

+1 Youjo getto :3
 
Jan 1, 2015 11:22 AM

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the fanservice was damn irritating and far too lengthy...that was like a 20 minute borderline incest bathscene. The actual story was kinda 'eh'. nothing of importance to be found here. Monogatari would've been well off without hanamonogatari or tsukimonogatari. the only worthwhile information in this whole thing was that araragi shouldn't rely on dracula power too much. wow.

The monogatari franchise is trying too hard and I'm tired of it all. 6.5/10...
 
Jan 1, 2015 11:39 AM

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As always best girl gets very little time on screen ;___;

Wasn't fond of the first episode and some of the second but the final two were great :3 The bgm towards the end of episode 3(?) was fantastic.
 
Jan 1, 2015 12:22 PM

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The sister part - another pile of crap and unnecessary again.

Better - the specialist crowd (Kagenui, Gaen, Teori).

Best - Senjougahara in pumpkin shorts; Ononoki; hints to Ougi and Meme and balancing the power over the city - Araragi should give up on the mystic chuunibyo, before it either eats him, kills him, or makes him lose everything he gained (if a monster can kill a human, not only Araragi is in danger, he could become dangerous to his friends as well if he turns into an apparition).

5/10 here, :0
 
Jan 1, 2015 12:35 PM

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the fanservice was damn irritating and far too lengthy...that was like a 20 minute borderline incest bathscene. The actual story was kinda 'eh'. nothing of importance to be found here. Monogatari would've been well off without hanamonogatari or tsukimonogatari. the only worthwhile information in this whole thing was that araragi shouldn't rely on dracula power too much. wow.

The monogatari franchise is trying too hard and I'm tired of it all. 6.5/10...


you need to bear 80 pages of it if you read the book.
animu was nothing.

Tadatsuru holds an important role later on. People that cannot bear foreshadowy plot should just stay way from Nisio's stuff.
 
Jan 1, 2015 2:08 PM

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Job well done by shaft. Kanbaru and the fire sisters is rescue. The beautiful Senjougahara appear. Keep em coming Shaft!
 
Jan 1, 2015 2:32 PM
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Sorry, I'm not too good with comprehending things, who and why did they want to create a fissure between Araragi and Ononoki?

edit: oh, can someone explain why ougi was there too? and why ononoki said she was "(probably) the mastermind and final boss troubling you (Araragi) and requested Tadatsuru to exterminate apparitions"
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Jan 1, 2015 2:47 PM

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So I'm guessing Koyomi's hair was long in Hanamonogatari because he can't be seen by a mirror anymore? So he'll never cut his hair again XD


Well,

Foreshadow everywhere.
 
Jan 1, 2015 3:44 PM

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So it seems this Ougi person can mess with peoples memories.

FUCK YOU OUGI!! YOU KILLED ANOTHER INTERESTING CHARACTER!!!
 
Jan 1, 2015 3:48 PM

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So it seems this Ougi person can mess with peoples memories.

FUCK YOU OUGI!! YOU KILLED ANOTHER INTERESTING CHARACTER!!!


>Implying Tadatsuru isnt dead.
I laughed
 
Jan 1, 2015 3:56 PM

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if u made it this far in the gatari series how can u complain about fan service lmfao
 
Jan 1, 2015 4:45 PM

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Damn, Tsukimonogatari 10/10, it was a perfect New Year's gift s2
So, no sequel announcement? I need Koyomi and Owaris this year, CMON SHAFT PLS

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if u made it this far in the gatari series how can u complain about fan service lmfao


I ask the same.
 
Jan 1, 2015 5:10 PM

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One of the best moments imo (edit: spoiler added. It's just a gif):


I know this is from the first episode, but essentially it's one long episode so I still think it's fitting.
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Jan 1, 2015 5:15 PM

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She fucking obliterated that guy. [b]With[b] a posed look.
 
Jan 1, 2015 5:29 PM
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Great way to kick off the year. Another excellent arc to add to the already amazing series. I never really thought much about Ononoki but I think she's become my new favorite, Hayami Saori's voice really compliments her strange character.

8/10, May bump to a 9 since I liked it a lot.
 
Jan 1, 2015 5:32 PM

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Objurgo said:
She fucking obliterated that guy. [b]With[b] a posed look.
"yayyy"
 
Jan 1, 2015 5:41 PM

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VanishingKira said:
So I'm guessing Didn't Shinobu say that a complete vampire could make their reflection appear despite being a vampire?


She the legendary Kiss-shot could , not all vampires.
 
Jan 1, 2015 8:44 PM

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All too often I forget why I love this series.
 
Jan 1, 2015 8:55 PM
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What a way to start the new year.. really loved it.. 9/10.
 
Jan 1, 2015 9:36 PM

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Teori Tadatsuru...it's too bad that
by some mastermind, which is assumed to be
But at the very least, it was at his own volition.

I am listen to the Orange Mint opening on repeat. Full version when!? I really want the full OP single or OST now.
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Jan 2, 2015 12:58 AM

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Zetsubo22 said:
Barion-Zara said:
So I'm guessing Koyomi's hair was long in Hanamonogatari because he can't be seen by a mirror anymore? So he'll never cut his hair again XD


Well,

Foreshadow everywhere.


Oh I forgot about that :O...Hmmmm?
Hope it's more of him being able to control it rather than becoming fully human >.<
 
Jan 2, 2015 1:39 AM

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Amazing show.

can't wait for the raws to finish download and screen cap all of it.

I loved how everything was new, the backgrounds, the monlogue cards, etc...


koyokoyo!!
 
Jan 2, 2015 1:43 AM

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Probably one of the weaker arcs in the series. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it, but it felt more like a story to set up other stories as opposed to its own story.

But I liked the fact that it started showing another division with someone Araragi considers a friend. First Hachikuji, then Nadeko, and now Yotsugi. He's being separated from everyone he cares about. That just leaves Kanbaru (who doesn't seem to have a major role to play in the future since Hana comes last) Hanekawa, Senjougahara, and his sisters. I liked the fact that they referenced Tsukihi Phoenix more, that story didn't add as much to the series, so I like the fact that it was referenced.

Tsukihi looks really nice with long hair. This is probably my favorite hair style for her!

Since I was rather sleepy while watching this episode, I'll probably rewatch the last bit from his meeting with Ougi on, just so I can make sure I properly understood everything. I wish they would have done more with the character introduced in this episode. But he served his role after all...
 
Jan 2, 2015 1:51 AM

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Probably one of the weaker arcs in the series. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it, but it felt more like a story to set up other stories as opposed to its own story.

But I liked the fact that it started showing another division with someone Araragi considers a friend. First Hachikuji, then Nadeko, and now Yotsugi. He's being separated from everyone he cares about. That just leaves Kanbaru (who doesn't seem to have a major role to play in the future since Hana comes last) Hanekawa, Senjougahara, and his sisters. I liked the fact that they referenced Tsukihi Phoenix more, that story didn't add as much to the series, so I like the fact that it was referenced.

Tsukihi looks really nice with long hair. This is probably my favorite hair style for her!

Since I was rather sleepy while watching this episode, I'll probably rewatch the last bit from his meeting with Ougi on, just so I can make sure I properly understood everything. I wish they would have done more with the character introduced in this episode. But he served his role after all...


The purpose of the whole arc was character exposures.
Origami guy is actually a great guy. You are just uninformed about it yet.
 
Jan 2, 2015 2:53 AM

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I felt that this arc lacked an emotional impact, and the conversation with Ononoki and Yozuru lasted for too long, just like Rouka's monologue in Hana.
I liked the bath scene even though I usually detest most of Monogatari's fanservice.
Also, did I spot some Fate/ references? Like the moon-grail?
Of course, best girl shows once again why she's best girl.
Overall, 7/10
 
Jan 2, 2015 4:55 AM

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Objurgo said:
She fucking obliterated that guy. [b]With[b] a posed look.
"yayyy"


 
Jan 2, 2015 5:54 AM

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great show...

i want moar

EDIT:
though i didnt was sure about the whole theme of this series... untill i stumbled upon a comment in reddit.
/copypasted over:

Basic synopsis of what happened:

We already know that apparitions/oddities are created by, and live off of, perceptions. Multiple characters have said that, and Hachikuji's death is evidence (putting aside Ougi's dialogue in MG:SS). The fact that Koyokoyo is becoming a vampire again makes total sense in that regard, especially after fighting Nadeko's god form almost every day. His perception of himself is that he has (limited) powers borrowed from Acerola Orion Heart-Under-Blade.

He's lived that way for so long because he now has the power to deal with people's problems, and he can't resist helping them. This is the main point of this arc... even when his task is saving his family and one of his friends, he refuses the easiest plan, because he doesn't want to make Ononogi into a murderer.

If they had gone with his original plan, he would definitely have had to use his vampire powers, and lost his humanity even more. That's basically what he has been doing all along, and he even says himself that he would probably do it again if Senjougahara or Hanekawa were in danger.

That's why, for me, the best line in the show was (paraphrasing), "Yeah, I killed him. I'm a monster. Don't turn into a monster."

His determination to help people, no matter what, is what defines Araragi "Koyokoyo" Koyomi. He was prepared to do anything to help as many people as he could, but for once, he had to accept his human capabilities and he wasn't willing to do it.

That's where Ononogi saves the day. Tsukimonogatari started with a conversation about whether Ononogi is human. It ended with the answer, from her own mouth: "I'm a monster. You can still be human, if even just a little bit."


now... i gotta say, i love this even more *_*
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Jan 2, 2015 7:35 AM

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Visual and animation were glorious as usual but I noticed the art was a bit off here and there. Unlike Hana that lacks a sense of danger, Tsuki was pretty intense, it had me on the edge of my seat in the last 15 minutes. I must say it's much more entertaining than Hana.

Lol. I thought at this point there would be no one complaining the fanservice. I'm baffled.
 
Jan 2, 2015 7:40 AM

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The sister part - another pile of crap and unnecessary again.

Better - the specialist crowd (Kagenui, Gaen, Teori).

Best - Senjougahara in pumpkin shorts; Ononoki; hints to Ougi and Meme and balancing the power over the city - Araragi should give up on the mystic chuunibyo, before it either eats him, kills him, or makes him lose everything he gained (if a monster can kill a human, not only Araragi is in danger, he could become dangerous to his friends as well if he turns into an apparition).

5/10 here, :0


And thats putting it lightly. As Needledrop says I'm feeling strong 5/10 low 6/10

Unnecessary fanservice.
 
Jan 2, 2015 8:12 AM

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kokusho36 said:

Of course, best girl shows once again why she's best girl.

Who, Shinobu? I agree.
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Jan 2, 2015 10:19 AM
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I don't understand Teori's actions. He felt he was being manipulated, "cast" into his role, yet he still went along with it and got himself killed. Why? Wouldn't you normally try to find the mastermind behind it all, and resist the manipulations? It was basically suicide on his part.
 
Jan 2, 2015 10:46 AM

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Awesome. This series never ceases to amaze me :3
Fanservice at the level of nisemonogatari which is only an UPSIDE. Kinda wish there would be more Karen and not Tsukihi, but well, whatever, both are sweet imoutos.

And best girl Senjougahara's scene was fucking sweet in her scene.

i demand moar
 
Jan 2, 2015 11:28 AM

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Wait, in the novel, what happens with Gahara and Araragi? It was just cut there so we expeculate or Nisio actually describes something? What did they do that night?
 
Jan 2, 2015 12:55 PM
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Wait, in the novel, what happens with Gahara and Araragi? It was just cut there so we expeculate or Nisio actually describes something? What did they do that night?


I thought it was obvious from the hints.


They played monopoly all night long.
 
Jan 2, 2015 1:13 PM

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I liked the confrontation if that means anything. Not a big fan of this arc. Neko White was still the best one. Maybe the next one will reel me back in. Hopefully.
 
Jan 2, 2015 2:02 PM

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Neko White was still the best one.


what? i always felt it was one of the worst
 
Jan 2, 2015 3:55 PM

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Quite a nice ending of this arc, the ending especially was very lovely! All in all a quite lovely and the first episode quite ecchi arc in general :p

Dat ending card <3
 
Jan 2, 2015 4:02 PM

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So the thing Teori was foreshadowing is the two powers conflicting with each other between
right? I'm not even close to finishing up the third season novels, but I remember that foreshadowing in the second season. Something about Ougi setting up Sengoku as the god in that town while Gaen wanted Shinobu? If so I'm really getting hyped about the third season and everything getting setup in that town.

Other than that I really liked how they decided to upgrade their in-between texts with ripped pieces of paper and what not. Not too into the OST but it was fine. Looked beautiful as usual though.
 
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The amount of WIN in these 4 episodes is over 9000.
Easily the best 90 minutes of my 2015 so far :)

9/10.
 
Jan 3, 2015 12:06 AM

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Ducat_Revel said:
Neko White was still the best one.


what? i always felt it was one of the worst


How? It had the strongest internal conflict in the franchise. Hanekawa having to confront and accept the negative aspects in her to make her feeling genuine. The analysis Senjougahara made was one of the smartest moments in the franchise and the breakdown by the ending had the strongest emotional. Especially if you've read Kizumonogatari already. Also, arcs which aren't narrated by Araragi don't have constant perverse moments in them and thus rarely break out of tone. This applies to Koimono and to an extent Otorimono as well.
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Ducat_Revel said:

How? It had the strongest internal conflict in the franchise. Hanekawa having to confront and accept the negative aspects in her to make her feeling genuine.


Strongest internal conflict, yes. But Neko Shiro isnt the best arc so far. Kabuki would churned out to be the best internal conflict of Shinobu accepting herself if Shaft didnt fucked up the pacing in the first place. Sodachi's arcs were great too in term of Araragi's self-reflecting, but that will be dealt later episodes. Here I'm just hoping that Shaft wouldn't fucked much with Owarimonogatari 1 contents because that book has the greatest Araragi moments so far, after Kizu.
 
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Lol Ararararagi is still the best girl xD
Still a badass pervert

Lol @ Ononoki & Shinobu at background
Do you want to build a snowman??

"Koyokoyo"
Senjougahara-san.. so bold xD

Such a shame for Tadatsuru, he seems like a good guy in a bad time :(
Well, I like his seiyuu afterall... xD
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