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Dec 27, 2014 11:38 AM

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Anyone have any idea when subs will be released?
Maybe an hour or two from now


Thank you. The wait is killing me.
 
Dec 27, 2014 11:42 AM

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Sephil said:
Finished the first season and Saber are the real MC, Archer remained in a background, they should change the name of this season.
Yeah Saber was really the MC while she was being rekt in every fight and Archer had all the important scenes...
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Dec 27, 2014 11:44 AM

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Sephil said:
Finished the first season and Saber are the real MC, Archer remained in a background, they should change the name of this season.


> Gets rekt by Lancer in EP1
> Gets rekt by Shirou in EP1 using command spell
> Gets rekt by Berserker
> Gets rekt by Assassin
> Almost gets Rekt by ARcher right after
> Gets rekt by Kuizuki The Badass Ethics Teacher
> Gets rekt by Caster
> Is made Casta's bitch

True MC totally.
 
Dec 27, 2014 11:44 AM

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HentaiPriest said:
Sephil said:
Finished the first season and Saber are the real MC, Archer remained in a background, they should change the name of this season.
Yeah Saber was really the MV while she was being rekt in every fight and Archer had all the important scenes...


^This

So far, if you look at it seriously, Saber' role is just for the fights and moe-fanservices. Her character is blank, if you don't take FZ into account.

Archer, on the other hand, has all the important dialogues and characterizations.
 
Dec 27, 2014 11:52 AM
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I.am.late. Now Imma rate this 5/5 even without watching.
Btw where did the episode ended?

Sephil said:
Finished the first season and Saber are the real MC, Archer remained in a background, they should change the name of this season.


Some jimmies are gonna rustle. Though she isn't 'the real MC' here.
 
Dec 27, 2014 11:53 AM

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LitzSabr said:
I.am.late. Now Imma rate this 5/5 even without watching.
Btw where did the episode ended?

Sephil said:
Finished the first season and Saber are the real MC, Archer remained in a background, they should change the name of this season.


Some jimmies are gonna rustle. Though she isn't 'the real MC' here.


Rooftop jump
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:08 PM

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Kamipriest said:
LitzSabr said:
I.am.late. Now Imma rate this 5/5 even without watching.
Btw where did the episode ended?



Some jimmies are gonna rustle. Though she isn't 'the real MC' here.


Rooftop jump
a little misleading as the scenes were in altered order with rooftop scene later than it should have been
"When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice."
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:10 PM

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Lisa's nasty cover of disillusion = meh.
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:11 PM

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ijuka said:
Kamipriest said:


Rooftop jump
a little misleading as the scenes were in altered order with rooftop scene later than it should have been


He asked where the episode ended -_-
He didn't ask for details in between
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:13 PM
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ijuka said:
a little misleading as the scenes were in altered order with rooftop scene later than it should have been

I don't think so....?
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:21 PM

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Insertanamehere said:
ijuka said:
a little misleading as the scenes were in altered order with rooftop scene later than it should have been

I don't think so....?


Correct and incorrect

Kotomine scenes implied to happen at the same time but we find out about it only after rooftop. But it happens at nearly the same time so its all ok.
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:23 PM
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CookingPriest said:
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I don't think so....?


Correct and incorrect

Kotomine scenes implied to happen at the same time but we find out about it only after rooftop. But it happens at nearly the same time so its all ok.

Oh right, I was excluding anime original scenes when I thought about that.
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:34 PM

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Sephil said:
Finished the first season and Saber are the real MC, Archer remained in a background, they should change the name of this season.
Not sure if we watched the same thing. All Saber did was be a robot Servant protecting her Master.

The characters who got the most focus to their backgrounds and beliefs were Shirou, Rin and Archer.
 
Dec 27, 2014 12:54 PM

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dragonshade said:
Lisa's nasty cover of disillusion = meh.


That's like saying "ufo F/sn is a nasty remake of DEEN UBW". Such a statement is objectively false.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:02 PM

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Grey-Zone said:
dragonshade said:
Lisa's nasty cover of disillusion = meh.


That's like saying "ufo F/sn is a nasty remake of DEEN UBW". Such a statement is objectively false.


I am talking about the song for the game. rofl. And Lisa's singing doesn't fit the song at all. I guess everything is 10/10 for Ufotable fanboys lol. If I diss the cover then I am dissing the whole anime.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:03 PM

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People who watch anime and do nothing else are the dumbest shits who have no idea of what they speak.
Observing the show from the first two episodes, anyone should see that
Shiro - Protagonist, "Hero"
Rin - Deuteragonist, "Heroine"
Saber - Plot Device, "Brick"
Archer is supporting cast at first, then elevated to more important as the narrative draws into him being a foil for Shiro.

Everyone else is supporting cast.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:05 PM

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dragonshade said:
Grey-Zone said:


That's like saying "ufo F/sn is a nasty remake of DEEN UBW". Such a statement is objectively false.


I am talking about the song for the game. rofl. And Lisa's singing doesn't fit the song at all. I guess everything is 10/10 for Ufotable fanboys lol. If I diss the cover then I am dissing the whole anime.
Probably should have said "this illusion" instead, I think Grey-Zone wouldn't have objected otherwise.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:05 PM

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dragonshade said:
Grey-Zone said:


That's like saying "ufo F/sn is a nasty remake of DEEN UBW". Such a statement is objectively false.


I am talking about the song for the game. rofl. And Lisa's singing doesn't fit the song at all. I guess everything is 10/10 for Ufotable fanboys lol. If I diss the cover then I am dissing the whole anime.


Lisa's version is objectively the best version right now.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:10 PM

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CookingPriest said:
dragonshade said:


I am talking about the song for the game. rofl. And Lisa's singing doesn't fit the song at all. I guess everything is 10/10 for Ufotable fanboys lol. If I diss the cover then I am dissing the whole anime.


Lisa's version is objectively the best version right now.

While I like it the most out of any version, that's an opinion Fai, it can't be objective. Unless you're rating it on merits of production quality itself, which you did not specify.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:10 PM

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He's not serious. Or at least I hope so.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:12 PM

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He's not serious. Or at least I hope so.
Did he pull a BloodRequiem on us?

He pulled a BR on us didn't he.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:12 PM

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He's not serious. Or at least I hope so.


I am both serious and not serious
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:14 PM

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I didn't know Fai was capable of that.
The world makes no sense to me now.
 
Dec 27, 2014 1:20 PM

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Surely people know by now that Fai's opinions are actually facts.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:06 PM

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Oh, so they didn't ended it with ''that''. It was still an interesting choice of moment to end the first season. It sure leave with an interesting change of pace at the last episode.

Rin is such da best girl. Goddamn lucky Shirou going on a date with her and not realizing the luck he have. Gotta love Saber getting between the two, that dense servant :D
She's such a tsundeRin, acting cocky and all, but when he compliment her, she get all flustered xD
It's always funny to see her tease Shirou, though it happen less in that route than in the Fate route. Poor Shirou, his hormones must have been on fire during all the day... We also got a bit of Rin shower fanservice ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Batting Rin was also really great. Gotta love Saber one-handed batting. Oh, Saber...

I really loved that scene they added with Taiga visiting Kiritsugu grave. It was a very touching moment, when you saw Fate/zero and knows


It's a bit weird that they didn't choose to make the blackmailling scene into his house, like in the VN, but it changed it into a great action scene. Again, Ufotable action scenes are as top notch as ever. Also, that damn Rule Breaker... Such a cheated Noble Phantasm. On the outside, it kinda suck, but when you surprise your enemy with it, it does exactly the shitty situation that Shirou is now in. To add to that, she had a pretty solid hostage. How dare she touch Taiga?! Seeing Saber crying was heart-breaking. And the face Shirou was making, damn.

Shirou now realized that not only she has been saving his ass for a long time, but she has also been lying about her debt to him. After all, what's a stronger debt than the debt over somehow saving you from a fatal and normally irrecoverable wound?

I don't remember Assassin being that cocky. He was pretty arrogant, for having his master right in front of him and mocking her. At the same time, that's what makes him cool. Also, is it me or he is voiced by Kaiki VA? I should check on that...

Rin as now showed her cold and crual side, adding to Archer criticisms on his resolutions and ideals. We must admit that Shirou have a strong will to be able to ignore these criticisms.

Well, now I'm really hyped for the second season, though we'll have to wait THREE DAMN MONTHS!! Fuck this shit, I'm hibernating, see ya.

Edit : removed the big spoiler even if it was tag-spoiled (twice), I too sometime click spoiler even if I know that I'm gonna regret it. The spoiler I left is not really a spoiler, more just a little hint about Kiritsugu backstory, but nothing major.
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Dec 27, 2014 2:17 PM

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That flashy kidnapping scene. I feel like they went a little overboard, ufotable showing off their animation, but oh well. At least there were plenty of delicious Rin pictures and THAT ENDING SONG. Even for a remix that was a nice bit of nostalgia.

Thankfully this cliffhanger was much nicer than that of Fate/Zero's first season, although I actually figured it would end at
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:29 PM
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Wow that's it? Well that was underwhelming. I liked Archer's entrance during the blackmailing scene and the animation was glorious. I still think Shirou could've saved Taiga without using his command seal but I guess he didn't see the chance when caster lost her grip on Taiga.

7/10

Not enough Kirei and I dearly hope the second cour is better.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:30 PM

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Z4k said:
Wow that's it? Well that was underwhelming. I liked Archer's entrance during the blackmailing scene and the animation was glorious. I still think Shirou could've saved Taiga without using his command seal but I guess he didn't see the chance when caster lost her grip on Taiga.
Yeah, because Shirou can do shit in a territory under Caster's complete control.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:36 PM

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*Technically part of the episode*

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YESH, I HAVE IT







MWAHAHHAHAHAHA
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Dec 27, 2014 2:38 PM
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Z4k said:
Wow that's it? Well that was underwhelming. I liked Archer's entrance during the blackmailing scene and the animation was glorious. I still think Shirou could've saved Taiga without using his command seal but I guess he didn't see the chance when caster lost her grip on Taiga.
Yeah, because Shirou can do shit in a territory under Caster's complete control.

He wasn't alone.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:40 PM

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Yeah, because Shirou can do shit in a territory under Caster's complete control.

He wasn't alone.


Typically when someones held hostage, and they happen to be very important to you, you don't want to take any chances what so ever.
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Dec 27, 2014 2:42 PM

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Z4k said:
Wow that's it? Well that was underwhelming.


You expected a full-blowing battle? Just curious.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:44 PM
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He wasn't alone.


Typically when someones held hostage, and they happen to be very important to you, you don't want to take any chances what so ever.

Is there where Fai says "Told you so, people will think Caster was loosing her grip on Taiga?"
 
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mira-lala said:
*Technically part of the episode*

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YESH, I HAVE IT







MWAHAHHAHAHAHA


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Dec 27, 2014 2:45 PM

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Z4k said:
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Yeah, because Shirou can do shit in a territory under Caster's complete control.

He wasn't alone.


You are right, Saber fucked up by disregarding Fujimura's safety and attacking caster. IF Saber was smart she would havrushed Fujimura and cut the threads. She chose to go after Caster herself instead



Caster already shown ability to escape(and no one knew whether it was real caster or a clone like when ARcher rushed her in temple)

Also it was clearly shown that the threads still bind fujimura so caster could kill her any moment.
The only way to prevent Caster from offing fujimura was to stop Saber's stupidity.
 
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insan3Inquisitor said:
Z4k said:

He wasn't alone.


Typically when someones held hostage, and they happen to be very important to you, you don't want to take any chances what so ever.

Yes but caster lost her grip on Taiga for a moment or was that emphasized scene just for naught?
 
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Insertanamehere said:
insan3Inquisitor said:


Typically when someones held hostage, and they happen to be very important to you, you don't want to take any chances what so ever.

Is there where Fai says "Told you so, people will think Caster was loosing her grip on Taiga?"


Even if they do think that, it's kind of honestly dumb to think Shirou would even risk putting her in more danger than she's in.
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Dec 27, 2014 2:48 PM
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Wow that's it? Well that was underwhelming.


You expected a full-blowing battle? Just curious.

No I expected more kirei greatness but I was sorely disappointed.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:48 PM

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Z4k said:
insan3Inquisitor said:


Typically when someones held hostage, and they happen to be very important to you, you don't want to take any chances what so ever.

Yes but caster lost her grip on Taiga for a moment or was that emphasized scene just for naught?



Nope that was to show shirou noticing the threads still being there and realizing caster can kill fujimura anytime she wants.
 
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Z4k said:
insan3Inquisitor said:


Typically when someones held hostage, and they happen to be very important to you, you don't want to take any chances what so ever.

Yes but caster lost her grip on Taiga for a moment or was that emphasized scene just for naught?
Taiga is still in Caster's territory. Caster has many different ways of killing her, just because threads loosened or whatever doesn't mean she's safe.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:50 PM
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But still why was Saber so impatient and attacked knowing caster had a hostage? That's kind of stupid.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:52 PM
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But still why was Saber so impatient and attacked knowing caster had a hostage? That's kind of stupid.

She placed priority on defeating Caster over saving the hostage.
 
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But still why was Saber so impatient and attacked knowing caster had a hostage? That's kind of stupid.

Caster was gonna kill Shirou.
 
Dec 27, 2014 2:53 PM

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mira-lala said:
*Technically part of the episode*





I DID *u*

CookingPriest said:
Z4k said:

He wasn't alone.


You are right, Saber fucked up by disregarding Fujimura's safety and attacking caster. IF Saber was smart she would havrushed Fujimura and cut the threads. She chose to go after Caster herself instead



Caster already shown ability to escape(and no one knew whether it was real caster or a clone like when ARcher rushed her in temple)

Also it was clearly shown that the threads still bind fujimura so caster could kill her any moment.
The only way to prevent Caster from offing fujimura was to stop Saber's stupidity.


Can't tell if this is sarcasm or outright stupidity.

I'll go with the first....
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Dec 27, 2014 2:55 PM

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Z4k said:
But still why was Saber so impatient and attacked knowing caster had a hostage? That's kind of stupid.
Caster initiated the battle by flying strait at Shirou with a dagger, so naturally Saber came to his defense.
 
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Z4k said:
But still why was Saber so impatient and attacked knowing caster had a hostage? That's kind of stupid.

She placed priority on defeating Caster over saving the hostage.

 
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Z4k said:
But still why was Saber so impatient and attacked knowing caster had a hostage? That's kind of stupid.


If she went for Taiga, she'd be too late - Caster would've already cut her neck off.....

Again, it was Caster's plan for Saber to go to her. #PlotConvenience.

Remember that she prioritizes Shirou over everyone else ~.~
What would she do if he died?
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Dec 27, 2014 2:57 PM

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mira-lala said:
Z4k said:
But still why was Saber so impatient and attacked knowing caster had a hostage? That's kind of stupid.


If she went for Taiga, she'd be too late - Caster would've already cut her neck off.....

Again, it was Caster's plan for Saber to go to her. #PlotConvenience.

Remember that she prioritizes Shirou over everyone else ~.~
What would she do if he died?

Form a contract with a better master, like Caster.
 
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Z4k said:
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She placed priority on defeating Caster over saving the hostage.



No.
She didn't say she wouldn't kill to save. You should've realised that in Zero...


Literally strategy

Go for Taiga -> Taiga gets killed
Save Shirou -> Taiga gets killed

The same thing WOULD happen, is what she thought. She fell into Caster's trap.
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