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Dec 20, 2014 8:54 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Heh, the episode felt slow, so it's more like a breather but momentum did pick up in the latter half. It looks like Ange and Hilda are allowed back with the squad; nothing surprising though.

Lol dragon and curry. How does that go hand in hand?

Censors will probably be removed from the BDs. God damn it Julio.
 
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Dec 20, 2014 9:10 AM

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Everyone and their mothers predicted correctly that Vivian is a Dragon.

At least she didn't die.
 
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Dec 20, 2014 9:46 AM

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All of those dragons are people not just Vivian and the lady seducing Julio, what an insane twist (at least Vivian got knocked out instead of killed). It also proves that the humans are bastards on both sides but the Empire is much worse and I see why the dragons were kept secret all along.


 
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Dec 20, 2014 10:49 AM

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cant wait for next episode.
thing start to be really interisting


 
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Dec 20, 2014 11:53 AM

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All those dragons are human. For a sec Vivian has Death Flag on her. Both side are mess up but the Empire are a little more.
 
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Dec 20, 2014 5:29 PM
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The gods have shown themselves.
 
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Dec 20, 2014 6:06 PM

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OMG...this twist, we have now old humanity, new humanity and normas. So new humanity and normas can turn in a dragon? What kind of experiment do Embryo (the God)... history going better and better..and more develoment for Ange his new reality is broken again... Ange can be a perfect villain in any anime/history (since 1st episode im thinking in that), the narcissistic princess who attempted genocide in 1st episode who later then turned more human and past his day hunting dragons (humans) for money and later plan to break the world who deal her bad, kill her sick brother and now...
I like this anime.
 
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Dec 20, 2014 6:29 PM

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I watch this raw to see if Vivian was really the dragon in the preview, and turns out many were right.
 
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Dec 20, 2014 7:10 PM
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As I written in last's weeks what if i wrote the plot...
Looks like I managed to score a number of guesses right :)

The first let out the secrets episode, an exposition heavy episode, (something Recon-G really needs.) done rather well.

That 'RESET' term would really meant Matrix's sort of reset lol

It is funny what Jill said in regard to the monster being human after all part.
 
Dec 20, 2014 7:13 PM
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bastek66 said:
Everyone and their mothers predicted correctly that Vivian is a Dragon.

At least she didn't die.


LOL yeah, I have guessed that dragons would be a sort of evolution state of humans :)
THis is really predictable after the same twist used in Gargantia!
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:32 AM
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and the trainwreck continues at full speed.
Logic be damned if any episode ever makes coherent sense and uses logic.
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:38 AM

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Jaridan said:
and the trainwreck continues at full speed.
Logic be damned if any episode ever makes coherent sense and uses logic.


What is not coherent ?
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:50 AM
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Jill reveals the history of humanity and Norma in full details. I like how smug she acts in front of Ange and the other Normas, but when she was facing Embryo (Lol. What a choice of name), she lost her cool almost instantly.

I'm glad Vivian survived this episode, despite turning into a DRAGON. She's probably the only well mannered girl among all the Normas.

So, Normas can also turn into DRAGONs occasionally? Embryo (Lol. How can this be a name?) seems to be the mastermind behind this occurrence.

Decent episode. Julio is on his way "rebuild the world." Pretty sure the announcement to the Normas about the arriving hospitality is actually an incoming hostility.
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:00 AM

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The odd thing about the twist. I should have noticed it already but do you know what, including all the yuri... do you know what anime Cross Ange is really similar to??? Shinsekai Yori! Mental powers, humans with and without them, "monsters" who turn out to be humans, an ancient super weapon to be used against them, creating a new world. Mind = blown.
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:00 AM

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So... who are the dragons that regularly come to kill the normas? I thought the normas were there to protect new humanity from the dragons? what? what?

so confused now. hopefully they explain more about this later...
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:10 AM
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Jill reveals the history of humanity and Norma in full details. I like how smug she acts in front of Ange and the other Normas, but when she was facing Embryo (Lol. What a choice of name), she lost her cool almost instantly.

I'm glad Vivian survived this episode, despite turning into a DRAGON. She's probably the only well mannered girl among all the Normas.

So, Normas can also turn into DRAGONs occasionally? Embryo (Lol. How can this be a name?) seems to be the mastermind behind this occurrence.

Decent episode. Julio is on his way "rebuild the world." Pretty sure the announcement to the Normas about the arriving hospitality is actually an incoming hostility.

The human dragon transformation seems odd... Like magic sort of transformation or... Genetic recoding in a matrix sort of way lol. The song and some plant thing would be a suppressor and trigger of some sort ..
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:18 AM

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Interesting background information. However, we don't know what triggered Vivians transformation. If the small dragons are human then what are the boss dragons? Hmmm Julio seems like a small villain compared to this God.
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:20 AM

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hpulley said:
The odd thing about the twist. I should have noticed it already but do you know what, including all the yuri... do you know what anime Cross Ange is really similar to??? Shinsekai Yori! Mental powers, humans with and without them, "monsters" who turn out to be humans, an ancient super weapon to be used against them, creating a new world. Mind = blown.


I guess it is similar. Shinsekai starts off light, whereas Cross Ange just throws you into the pit from the start.
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:24 AM

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Vivian walking as a dragon sure was fun to see, good that she has survived! Things are starting to get interesting, Ange what are you going to do?
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Dec 21, 2014 3:33 AM

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What an insane plot was been revealed. I didn't saw that coming.
So DRAGONS was actually humans huh? It will turn me crazy when I know that if I'm in that kind of world.

So Vivian was really turned into a DRAGON, So we are right on our guess huh?. Good grief she's still alive.
Well I'll take another guess, Embryo was a brother of Alektra/Jill?
So It will mean Jill and Ange got the same fate? Like being thrown by their brother.

And now the question is how and why there's alternate world/other dimension where the DRAGONS came from?
Well I guess I will find it out in the next episodes. Can't wait to know more next week!
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Dec 21, 2014 3:39 AM

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Cross Ange never fails to deliver on plot and exposition. Dare I say, we are getting too much, too quickly?

Also the new antagonist's name is Embryo-sama...

Really?
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:39 AM

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just want to tell you guys this is actually mars of destruction plot twist lol
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Dec 21, 2014 3:49 AM

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I thought the twist is more madoka-ish, the monster they have been fighting is actually their kind.

BTW, love this episode, some shocking revelation, and it actually makes sense
 
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The second half of the episode was filled with brilliant indirect comedy scenes. This anime almost never ceases to amaze me in that aspect. Sadly, I don't think I can tolerate this or expect anything from it any further.

The animation quality also dropped like it's nobody's business, and the amazing "plot" thickens. Them horrid derpfaces and stillshots. Should've settled for a single cour if the budget is obviously tight. They could've cut out soo many useless parts and delivered the "plot" in a single cour.

I feel kind of sad, as how they wasted Mizuki Nana's vocals on this, and soon-to-be Takahashi Yoko's in the upcoming OP for the second cour. That second OP was the main driving force for me, but I guess I'll listen to it on YouTube or something.

Jaridan said:
and the trainwreck continues at full speed.
Logic be damned if any episode ever makes coherent sense and uses logic.
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:52 AM

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Holy crap, what da eff is this plot twist? Normas are DRAGONS and I'm glad that Vivian is alive!

Embryo>Julio in terms of being a villain. Heck, this "God" is more interesting than this manipulated bastard who is being manipulated too. Moar Tusk please!

Jill being Alektra is not that surprising considering that it was hinted last week. Welp, at least she explained the story though the question is, how in the world DRAGONS are Normas?

So my theory is right Ange controlling the dragons because of her song? Damn! I feel that the next two episodes will wrap up this arc and that means, more Sala in the next half of the anime~

And I have a question, will this have a break next week?
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im quite sure this is at least 3x better than shingeki no kyojin soon-to-be-revealed plot twist
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So... New humanity bring dragons is a side effect of using mana?

Or New humanity was created using dragons so they could use mana, and the ones that appear out of the singularity are trying to right the world?

Idk
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:56 AM

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Seems i have a confirmation now...

Curry can save the world!


 
Dec 21, 2014 4:19 AM

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just watched full episode
ok, destroy the world and make anew, so basically vilkiss and last week infinite justice are like turn-a or even evangelion/rahxephon mech? lol
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Dec 21, 2014 4:36 AM

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great episode. storytime


so i guess the side effect of not being able to use mana is that a norma turns into a dragon. which brings up the question what triggers the dragon transformation?


i like how the rondo in the title is not just random but actual fits the story now

second half is going to be interesting.

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Dec 21, 2014 4:50 AM

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How can you name someone EMBRYO?! XD
I laughed so heard when I heard that XD
DRAGONS are human? Why did they turn them into dragons? I didn't expect that.

 
Dec 21, 2014 4:52 AM

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God, for a second I thought that Vivian was burning with all the other corpses in there. Good thing that she's ok.

But that raises the question of why are the dragons human, and why Vivian had her conscience (or, the other dragons also had it but are still trying to target the).

That was quite unexpected, but not surprised.
 
Dec 21, 2014 4:53 AM

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If they don't relied too much on fanservice and a little more better drawn...

The story itself its good....
 
Dec 21, 2014 5:38 AM

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Wow.

Well, I wonder if there was some kind of romance between Jill and Embryo (lol).

The revelation about DRAGONs was good one, I'm content that they aren't just meat to defeat.

It was hard to not drop anime after first episodes but now I really enjoy it hahaha (and I'm female so I don't find that fanservice attractive at all).
 
Dec 21, 2014 5:50 AM

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Wow.

Well, I wonder if there was some kind of romance between Jill and Embryo (lol).



Well, you know when a villain is badass when he even don't be ashamed of himself to be called Embryo... :)
 
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Ange is gonna lead Libertus no matter what after realising they have been killing their kind all long. It's not too surprising that the Norma are secretly planning a revolt and now we know Villkiss is one of the Ragna-mail.

The Ragna-mail we seen previously attacking the Norma base, I'm betting they knew about the dragon secret. Seeing that they can command dragons and were killing Norma, they are most likely working under Embryo (most likely will die along with Julio) himself which will put Ange and her team in a disadvantage.

I'm only speculating this but Embryo's research to give human magic might be triggering a side effect that transforms them into dragons. True the Norma cannot use magic but it does not change the fact that this effect is passed down from one family to another so all humans and norma are already a ticking timebomb (the walking dead style).

LOL next episode preview > (rescue operation = mass execution) went wrong :P and looks like the god and Ange will meet finally^^ See? Had they improved the animation this episode and filtered out around 60% of the fanservice entirely, this series would have been a big bang :D
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And the plot thickens!
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And now the question is how and why there's alternate world/other dimension where the DRAGONS came from?
Well I guess I will find it out in the next episodes. Can't wait to know more next week!


my guess is that the dragon are actually coming from either the near future or the past

also here is my guess on how they turn into DRAGONS, every norma/human has been set with a certain switch that is only triggered by something where they eventually turn into DRAGONS and if they don't turn back immediately the eventually go insane and start killing humans VIA portal and the reason Sala can control the dragons is because the song has a certain power that calms the dragons insanity this is just a VERY wild guess anyway
 
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People use Mana with the cost of a chance of transform to DRAGONS if their heart are not pure.
The Norma cant use Mana, immune to Mana and they will be manipulated to destroy the old world.
The side is reversed, the Mana users, which is being hate get some sympathy for they are just the experimental rats. And people get some warnings about the Norma Libertus who will unhesitating purge this Mana world with flame.
 
Dec 21, 2014 7:14 AM

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10/10 great episode.
 
Dec 21, 2014 7:27 AM

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Like this episode and some of the train of thoughts going on in this discussion.

I really want to know who or what the larger types of DRAGONs are?






 
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The odd thing about the twist. I should have noticed it already but do you know what, including all the yuri... do you know what anime Cross Ange is really similar to??? Shinsekai Yori! Mental powers, humans with and without them, "monsters" who turn out to be humans, an ancient super weapon to be used against them, creating a new world. Mind = blown.


I was thinking exactly the same thing during this episode.
 
Dec 21, 2014 7:34 AM

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Wow that twist was amazing. The plot has got so much better!
 
Dec 21, 2014 7:40 AM

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I gotta wonder what kind of relationship does Jill and Embryo have? A love-hate one?

Now we know that Jill aka Alektra is the first Norma born in royal blood, and also the first princess the same with Ange.

Preview shows that they're not rescuing them but purging them. It was easy to spot base on that announcement and Julio on board.
 
Dec 21, 2014 7:59 AM

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Wow so the dragons were humans too. That was totally unexpected.
 
Dec 21, 2014 8:11 AM

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Didn't expect that all Dragons are human :O Ange is pissed. More and more development for her ^^

Well finally all the characters have been introduced and while we didn't find out Tusk's relationship with Alektra we at least know a bit about his origins now.

I guess Ange wants to destroy the world even more now XD First step should be killing the hell out of Julio :P
 
Dec 21, 2014 8:38 AM

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Embryo must be Lordgenome's long lost brother.
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Dec 21, 2014 8:58 AM

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Dragons are humans. This anime gets better & better & no I'm not being sarcastic. Hurry up next week!
 
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guys pls rate cross ange 10/10 for AOTY 2014
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Dec 21, 2014 9:24 AM

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I'm going with the DRAGONs are the offspring of norma and the ancient people theory.

Samurai hime is back next week XD
 
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