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Dec 21, 2014 1:39 AM

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L-Ryoshi said:

By the way, why did they get to go home before lunch? I didn't get that part, wasn't school suppose to end at like 5 or 6pm or something (and then cram school till 10 pm or something?)? I thought Japanese schools were majorly harsh on their students.


I not too sure but I think on Saturdays, school in Japan is only like half day.
 
Dec 21, 2014 1:42 AM

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riku_93 said:
L-Ryoshi said:

By the way, why did they get to go home before lunch? I didn't get that part, wasn't school suppose to end at like 5 or 6pm or something (and then cram school till 10 pm or something?)? I thought Japanese schools were majorly harsh on their students.


I not too sure but I think on Saturdays, school in Japan is only like half day.
Correct. It's Saturday in this episode.
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:15 AM
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i read from Ufotables facebook page that the last episode of this season will be 1 hour long again so i expect that episode will show up next week
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:17 AM

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j0x said:
i read from Ufotables facebook page that the last episode of this season will be 1 hour long again so i expect that episode will show up next week
Correct.
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:28 AM
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CapsuleCore said:
j0x said:
i read from Ufotables facebook page that the last episode of this season will be 1 hour long again so i expect that episode will show up next week
Correct.


ye for anyone wanting some confirmation here it is - https://www.facebook.com/ufotable/posts/1016510815041004

[for english speakers]
Thank you for watching Fate/stay night #10.
We wish you enjoy our works.
We can deliver 2 episodes of Fate/stay night until year's end.
and one is 1 hours long !
See you next weekend
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:37 AM

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j0x said:
CapsuleCore said:
Correct.


ye for anyone wanting some confirmation here it is - https://www.facebook.com/ufotable/posts/1016510815041004

[for english speakers]
Thank you for watching Fate/stay night #10.
We wish you enjoy our works.
We can deliver 2 episodes of Fate/stay night until year's end.
and one is 1 hours long !
See you next weekend


1 hour finale? yesssssss
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:42 AM

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xSanox said:
j0x said:


ye for anyone wanting some confirmation here it is - https://www.facebook.com/ufotable/posts/1016510815041004



1 hour finale? yesssssss
Well... 45 minutes probably, but yes, the mid-season finale so to say is as long as episode 0 and 1.
 
Dec 21, 2014 2:53 AM

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Only good part of the episode was Taiga saying nabe tbh.
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Dec 21, 2014 3:14 AM

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You guys have problems with Shirou being a typical shounen protag?



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This is actually accurate due to the cultural role Shirou's character personality is INTENDED to take up int he story.

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Dec 21, 2014 3:18 AM

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Why one wants them to fully adapt from visual novel when
-VN has way too much script for a two cour anime.
-VN isn't that perfect at all.
I think some light romcom scenes are good after that cluster**** with Caster and the teacher.
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:36 AM

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Silent7 said:
Why one wants them to fully adapt from visual novel when
-VN has way too much script for a two cour anime.
-VN isn't that perfect at all.
I think some light romcom scenes are good after that cluster**** with Caster and the teacher.

 
Dec 21, 2014 3:46 AM

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Silent7 said:
Why one wants them to fully adapt from visual novel when
-VN has way too much script for a two cour anime.
-VN isn't that perfect at all.
I think some light romcom scenes are good after that cluster**** with Caster and the teacher.


trimming stuff and changing the narrative style is okay as long as the depth is not lost.

The depth is lost.
 
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CookingPriest said:
Silent7 said:
Why one wants them to fully adapt from visual novel when
-VN has way too much script for a two cour anime.
-VN isn't that perfect at all.
I think some light romcom scenes are good after that cluster**** with Caster and the teacher.


trimming stuff and changing the narrative style is okay as long as the depth is not lost.

The depth is lost.


>Implying that there's depth in this porn game to begin with other than Tohsaka's anus
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
Dec 21, 2014 3:54 AM

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BloodRequiem said:
CookingPriest said:


trimming stuff and changing the narrative style is okay as long as the depth is not lost.

The depth is lost.


>Implying that there's depth in this porn game to begin with other than Tohsaka's anus

I like that edit.
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Dec 21, 2014 4:27 AM

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Interesting episode. Rin was awesome as ever :)

So much hype for next week's hour long season finale!
 
Dec 21, 2014 4:32 AM

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People have to realise getting through the VN could litterally take 100 hours.
No way an Anime can replicate the ammount of awesome/deep moments or have very detailed long conversations/explainations.

I think this is a great adaptation so far. Compared to the VN the Archer - Shiruo convo's are abit lacking and in the VN you could guess who Archer's real identity was.

In the Anime that's abit hard, but it's understandable why. Rin is just awesome lol.
 
Dec 21, 2014 4:55 AM

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CookingPriest said:
Silent7 said:
Why one wants them to fully adapt from visual novel when
-VN has way too much script for a two cour anime.
-VN isn't that perfect at all.
I think some light romcom scenes are good after that cluster**** with Caster and the teacher.


trimming stuff and changing the narrative style is okay as long as the depth is not lost.

The depth is lost.


No it's not.

It's not as deep as the VN, where we can read Shirou's thought. But it still has depth, in its own way.

Again, I rewatch it and see many interesting things. Visual details tell a lot.
 
Dec 21, 2014 4:57 AM

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People have to realise getting through the VN could litterally take 100 hours.
No way an Anime can replicate the ammount of awesome/deep moments or have very detailed long conversations/explainations.

I think this is a great adaptation so far. Compared to the VN the Archer - Shiruo convo's are abit lacking and in the VN you could guess who Archer's real identity was.

In the Anime that's abit hard, but it's understandable why. Rin is just awesome lol.


SAO2 taught us already that you CAN adapt the monologues and character thougths correctly.

If ufotable continues handling FSN this way they do now it will turn out as shitty as SAO1, where most of people missed the whole point of the show and watched for shitty "overpowered" action


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CookingPriest said:


trimming stuff and changing the narrative style is okay as long as the depth is not lost.

The depth is lost.


No it's not.

It's not as deep as the VN, where we can read Shirou's thought. But it still has depth, in its own way.

Again, I rewatch it and see many interesting things. Visual details tell a lot.


visuals tell US a lot. NOt the newcomers. WE KNOW what those visuals mean.

So as a bonus material to VN they make sense.

But if I separate my VN knowledge from this its easy to see how newcomers could get lost or misinterpret stuff.
 
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CookingPriest said:


chickenonthepan said:


No it's not.

It's not as deep as the VN, where we can read Shirou's thought. But it still has depth, in its own way.

Again, I rewatch it and see many interesting things. Visual details tell a lot.


visuals tell US a lot. NOt the newcomers. WE KNOW what those visuals mean.

So as a bonus material to VN they make sense.

But if I separate my VN knowledge from this its easy to see how newcomers could get lost or misinterpret stuff.


Let them finish the series. And after that, when rewatch it, they will understand the meaning behind the visual details.

When I watched FZ for the first time, I only enjoyed the action.

And you are caring about people's thought too much. The most important thing is that you enjoy the series or not. Don't let others ruin your enjoyment.
 
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chickenonthepan said:
CookingPriest said:




visuals tell US a lot. NOt the newcomers. WE KNOW what those visuals mean.

So as a bonus material to VN they make sense.

But if I separate my VN knowledge from this its easy to see how newcomers could get lost or misinterpret stuff.


Let them finish the series. And after that, when rewatch it, they will understand the meaning behind the visual details.

When I watched FZ for the first time, I only enjoyed the action.

And you are caring about people's thought too much. The most important thing is that you enjoy the series or not. Don't let others ruin your enjoyment.


I am caring about a proper and good adaptation of FSN.

If I wanted fanservice for VN, iwould just reread the VN.
 
Dec 21, 2014 5:21 AM

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I am caring about a proper and good adaptation of FSN.

If I wanted fanservice for VN, iwould just reread the VN.


KK, but it has been really good for me so far.
 
Dec 21, 2014 5:21 AM

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Again with your bullshit Fai.
There is only one monologue that "hurts" Shirou's character and it isnt the lack of his tsun tsun and teasing moments towards Rin.

How projection works isnt either.

That you dont get your ship "properly" adapted doent mean that the anime is just fanservice for VN readers.
FFS so far you never said anything other than how the lack of fanservice aimed at you hurts YOU so much.

The adaptation is good and proper.The characters arent ruined, if you arent biased because of other factors(FZ,Deen) the characters and situations make sense because you actually care to think about what just happened.
Stop bitching about ufotable not doing things EXACTLY like YOU want.

And before you say it.No what you bitch about wont hurt the 2nd cour.The 2nd cour may end up bad and fail to portray EVERYTHING correctly but that wont be the fault of the 1st cour.
 
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Agreed. It's been incredibly boring so far and it doesn't look like it'll improve. You're correct that 90% of the anime takes place either at the school or at Shirou's house. It's undeniably a generic high school harem anime. Fate/Zero had such a greater variety of settings which definitely explains why it was so much better overall. The characters do talk much too excessively and the result is a show that ends up being largely boring.

It's as you say, 90% talking, 10% everything else. The fight between Caster and Archer was too brief and they spent before and after talking about meaningless random bullshit when they should have been killing each other. I didn't get why Shirou and Kuzuki spent too much time talking either. He should have just used Saber to charge at him and take him out instead of trying to convince Kuzuki of anything. In any case, all of these FIGHTS ARE TOO BRIEF. Too many slice of life scenes and too many meaningless conversations. I don't care about the motivations of the characters nor their beliefs or their views on life. It's irrelevant as to why they make certain decisions or actions,and their interactions with each other are even less so. Those things are just pretentious fluff that are ultimately meaningless. Fate/Zero definitely didn't have this much talking and I didn't recall it having talks that took up so much of the episodes. Fate/Zero is superior in every aspect. It's dark, mature, and has a nice balance of dialogue and action, unlike this boring snoozefest largely devoid of action.

Rating: 1/5


I was talking to some loser who honestly was trying to say that we shouldn't only watch for the fights. XD yeah, right. Maybe when they actually have something that's good besides the fighting I'll pay attention. All the side characters are bland and have no dimension.

Just look at Saber, she's the flagship character of the series. Everywhere you look, Saber's face is plastered front and center of Fate/Stay Night, and what happens? She's not even a major character, just someone they talk to when going into battle. Guess what happens then? She gets her ass kicked and limps home like a fool. This is complete BS. I watch their damn show, and instead of the main swordswoman kicking ass, we see some wannabe hero loser pull knives out of his ass to fight Jet Li. This is false advertising, plain and simple.

I want my money back.


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Dec 21, 2014 5:56 AM

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^ They've been practicing lol, I'm glad they're back to full form.
 
Dec 21, 2014 5:57 AM

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Dec 21, 2014 6:21 AM

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Good episode. Love how Rin owned Fuji-san. I'm curious to see Shirou's mage abilities at full potential. And tsundere Rin is still tsundere.
 
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Dec 21, 2014 6:34 AM

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Again with your bullshit Fai.
There is only one monologue that "hurts" Shirou's character and it isnt the lack of his tsun tsun and teasing moments towards Rin.

How projection works isnt either.

That you dont get your ship "properly" adapted doent mean that the anime is just fanservice for VN readers.
FFS so far you never said anything other than how the lack of fanservice aimed at you hurts YOU so much.

The adaptation is good and proper.The characters arent ruined, if you arent biased because of other factors(FZ,Deen) the characters and situations make sense because you actually care to think about what just happened.
Stop bitching about ufotable not doing things EXACTLY like YOU want.

And before you say it.No what you bitch about wont hurt the 2nd cour.The 2nd cour may end up bad and fail to portray EVERYTHING correctly but that wont be the fault of the 1st cour.


I am sorry but I see no reason to be as biased as you as well as to be a shitty asshole to anyone who DARED to dislike something about this (flawed) adaptation or misinterpreted something easy to miss.

If you feel the need to be a bitchy defender who jumps on people like a psycho, then you are free to do it, I would rather deal with secondaries via arguments(and it is hard to do that nowadays without bring in the VN).

You do not have the problem? Good, then shut the fuck up and stop trying to silence me for HAVING a problem with these episodes.

I never said i dislike the show, but somehow your over-reactions always seem to imply I did. And again, that's your own problem.

I have every right to say what I dislike about this adaptation so gently please stop trying to censor me like an obsessed fanboy, thus giving a bad name to nasuverse fanbase.


My complaints are legitimate and I have seen them shared between most of anime-only watchers (some of them do pay attention). They are perfectly argumented and If all you have to say is a rude "NO U" Post, then please just turn around.


Wanting to believe the adaptation is perfect is okay, that's what "hype" does - it blinds you. But if you paid attention, you would notice that while not as extreme, quite a few of my complaints are something a lot of people here agree with. Trying to pass them off as nonsense is ridiculous level of ignorance.
 
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MrAM said:
I enjoyed this episode, particularly the conversations between Shirou and Rin and Shirou and Archer. The former's most interesting point was about the nature of the houses; Rin's and Shirou's both match their personalities. Shirou lives in a place with a warm, open, and welcoming atmosphere, just like he himself is. Rin, like her home, pushes people away from here, keeps them out. Once those people have broken through that barrier though (i.e. Shirou) she doesn't let them go. Very nice.

With all that said, my only complaint at this point is Saber. She's one of my favorite characters in the Fate universe and was so intriguing in F/Z. Here she's been more or less reduced to a fighter with vaguely noble virtues and a pleasant personality, and pretty much nothing more. I understand that this isn't Saber's story, so I don't expect her to have a major focus, but a bit more of personality and active behavior from her would be appreciated. Her reaction to Shirou and Archer's conversation (nothing, basically) was particularly jarring, because it centered on ideas and beliefs that are very much tied to Saber. Her lack of reaction comes across as very odd and was a blemish on an otherwise excellent scene.


Sowwy it took me awhile, but here's what everyone was talking about. The VN makes a point of Saber being distressed over it.
VN be like


See, that's all I was asking for. I'm glad that the VN has her react in some capacity, but that only makes her passiveness in the anime adaptation more irritating. The funny thing is, just before that Archer arrived, we got that wonderful scene where Saber has this slightly pained expression on her face after she hears Shirou talking about Kiritsugu. For anyone with knowledge of the events of F/Z, that moment is extremely meaningful despite its simplicity. It helps keep Saber feel like a real character with depth, even if we never get to fully explore it in this adaptation.
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Calling it just fanservice for VN readers in every possible chance is not normal and it is an overreaction that I point out.

If you havent noticed you are the only one that has such a huge problem.You are nothing but a fanatic that bitches about not getting things exactly as he wants.

This "flawed" adaptation isnt suffering from anything.You dont have to explain shit from the VN especially when your arguments on why this is a flawed adaptation amount to details that only VN fanatics would care about.

Stop bitching about not getting enough fanservice because thats what you are asking from the adaptation.
The only monologue that hurt the show is the one in ep7 when Archer was carrying Shirou.
The bullshit you mentioned the other day about his relationship with Rin is just fanservice for you.
If you care so much to explain True Magic and how Projection works good for you.One isnt actually needed, can be passed as very powerful magic while the other will be eventually explained.
So no big arguments and unlike you those other fans arent bringing doomsday like a child that didnt get its chocolate.
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I am sorry but I see no reason to be as biased as you as well as to be a shitty asshole to anyone who DARED to dislike something about this (flawed) adaptation or misinterpreted something easy to miss.


I have every right to say what I dislike about this adaptation so gently please stop trying to censor me like an obsessed fanboy, thus giving a bad name to nasuverse fanbase.
Oh lol self awareness below 0.
 
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Not exactly a monologue, but I had a problem with Kuzuki retreating just like that in the anime last episode, when there is a perfectly valid reason for that in the novel. Just as I had a problem this episode with Saber's lack or very subtle reaction towards Archer's words, as it should affect her as much as it does Shirou.
 
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Not exactly a monologue, but I had a problem with Kuzuki retreating just like that in the anime last episode, when there is a perfectly valid reason for that in the novel. Just as I had a problem this episode with Saber's lack or very subtle reaction towards Archer's words, as it should affect her as much as it does Shirou.

Saber is healed and she can protect the other 2 with her magic resistance that was just showed some minutes ago.Well depends on how you think of it.

I am not saying that there are no scenes that even I think could be better adapted.But saying stuff like, that the 2nd cour will be ruined, that the chars lack depth because the ship isnt 1000% obvious, and that the anime is just fanservice for VN readers is taking it too far as if he wants to draw attention(and he knows he can).
 
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CapsuleCore said:
Not exactly a monologue, but I had a problem with Kuzuki retreating just like that in the anime last episode, when there is a perfectly valid reason for that in the novel. Just as I had a problem this episode with Saber's lack or very subtle reaction towards Archer's words, as it should affect her as much as it does Shirou.

The reason is clear in the anime.
Caster's magic look useless on Saber.
Rin said Kuzuki beat Saber thanks to the surprise.
Saber come back , isn't surprise anymore and try to attack Kuzuki.
Caster is afraid and save Kuzuki from the attack.
Kuzuki said to retreat.
 
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Not exactly a monologue, but I had a problem with Kuzuki retreating just like that in the anime last episode, when there is a perfectly valid reason for that in the novel. Just as I had a problem this episode with Saber's lack or very subtle reaction towards Archer's words, as it should affect her as much as it does Shirou.


 
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Wow, UFO really fucked up here:



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Dec 21, 2014 7:02 AM

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Man I love that Taiga face~ If Saber is missing her Lion she can always hug Fuji-nee.
 
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Wow, UFO really fucked up here:


Wow it looks like someone photoshopped Saber there
 
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CapsuleCore said:
Not exactly a monologue, but I had a problem with Kuzuki retreating just like that in the anime last episode, when there is a perfectly valid reason for that in the novel. Just as I had a problem this episode with Saber's lack or very subtle reaction towards Archer's words, as it should affect her as much as it does Shirou.


Yeah. Same here.

If to sum up my problems with this show so far:

- IT does not properly represent Shirou's calculating nature(the only time it was done decently was during the boundary field stuff). You can infer his psychological problems(And this episode handles that greatly), but not HOW he fights. It is way too ambiguous and "hotheaded". Cue the comments about him being "lucky" and missing the point of his dodging capabilities and thinking on the feet capabilities.
- Saber's struggle this episode. It is one of KEY moments for her this route and we get a non-reaction...
- Shirou's reasoning behind his various actions - like rushing towards Rider or bitching at Archer to let him go. Some of it CAN be sort of gotten(like why he would come out of hiding in front of Caster), but others nope.
- Lack of magic exposition. Explaining HOW magic works, etc is crucial in understanding what is going on - as an example WE KNOW that magic hurts, so we understand in the projection scene that Shirou is screaming in pain. Others might not. Others also might not get that magi have to be physically fit(Which in result will result in another asspull in next cour) due to how magic works. What Circuits are CAN be understood somewhat, but not the importance of "opening/closing" them, which leads to much confusion with this episode. Removing Archer's talk about classes not defining hero's traits also makes his knowledge of magecraft seem shady while it is implied to be completely normal that most of heroic spirits would know at least some of magical stuff. At this point mos t of viewers should already KNOW why Caster is such a big fucking deal and how dangerous she is. Since we do not know differences between majutsu and mahou, that point is lost.
- Shirou/Rin interaction. IT is just made to look like a generic tsundere/passive male (even if neither of them are just that) - Shirou gets bossed around into doing stuff and teased to hell. It misses the whole point of them being equals which is the main attraction for this relationship from the shipping perspective. It also does wonders for Shirou's character to understand what he thinks of Rin. I still like them as pairing, but a lot of the main points of that relationship are already lost this way, which s why hoped they would expand certain things next episode(which sadly they won't...)

Actually I'd say shirou's monologues about himself is the smallest problems because anime manages to portray his broken nature quite well. The thing is - there's a lot more to those monologues than that. A lot more that COULD be presented without even using monologues - I do not ask to make the show into talk fest. Trimming the monologues IS OKAY. Shows do it all the time, as long as the main points remain.


What I want to say is - a lot of that has a domino effect of sorts that keeps growing.

Not explaining how magic functions results in projection looking like an asspull, results in people claiming Shirou's "powerup" last episode was "unearned", results in people claiming Caster is "weak" or "not threatening enough" and we all know it will increase in scope in next cour.
Not establishing Rin and Shirou's relationship correctly does not just get in the way of believability of the pairing - it damages their character arcs too. If we do not have an innate understanding of how they view each other, a lot of developments latter on will NOT make sense to an average viewer.
Lack of monologues can be solved in first half by showing-not-telling(which ufotable struggled with too), but it will become bigger and bigger problem as the show goes on(see: the Answer).

If I had to say, I'd say that first few episodes and the boundary field at school stuff were my favorites while last few episodes have been my least favorite of the show for that exact reason.

Is it still good show? Yes.
Is it a good adaptaton? for VN readers yes. We know all the unsaid stuff, we can connect the dots and enjoy it all. But it is only a decent adaptation for newcomers.

I am not surprised that there are so many newcomers who treat FSN as far more "shallow" than it truly could be.

And as I said, I can see how the current problems(they are relatively small RIGHT NOW) will affect future developments.

First half is calm set-up, after all. Nothing too much badass or mindblowing happens in first half of each route - it just sets up characters and upcoming developments. So why cut down that set up?

Shirou's role and screentime is drastically smaller than it should be, Rin's role is bigger(and she evne has more inner thought than Shirou). It does not even feel like we should be Shirou. They are trying to Zero-iffy it and it is just not working because it is an entirely different work.


And then we have upped fanservice. I have no problem with fanservice. But I am distraught by uneeded focus on someone's legs or butt wiggling, etc. I am not watching FSN for that. I am not sure at what Ufotable is targeting with that or if it shows their opinion of this show .
I get this suspicion that Ufotable is treating this adaptation as a throw-away cash in for HF movie.I do not want to believe that because that would be such a fucking WRONG way to handle it, but it just feels that way. More and more with each episode.
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The anime so far = 9/10

Entertainment from reading the nitpicks on these episode threads = 11/10
 
Dec 21, 2014 7:31 AM

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I didnt see many talking about the power up here.Especially when compared to those that nitpick on stuff like school ,age and why Rin doesnt bring Archer with her.I do agree that leaving out all the projection talk can ruin a part of 2nd cour like the last fight but an explanation for it can come at any time or in the BD or earlier.Remember ep11 of FZ?

If people do remember the damage she caused in ep7 then should have figured out how strong she is when compared to Ilya nd Rin at least.The talk about True Magic would only put a label on her saying that she is more so powerful for that reason.She doesnt actually need that.

This ep really fixed everything the,if there was anything to fix.

It is a very good series for newcomers.They dont have the Vn to compare it to.In MAL at least only a few dont think that and they were never planning to change their opinions.

Those "problems" will affect it later ONLY if they persist.We dont know how they will do it so we cant say.You think they will continue like this, I think they will "fix" it.
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And then we have upped fanservice. I have no problem with fanservice. But I am distraught by uneeded focus on someone's legs or butt wiggling, etc. I am not watching FSN for that. I am not sure at what Ufotable is targeting with that or if it shows their opinion of this show .
I get this suspicion that Ufotable is treating this adaptation as a throw-away cash in for HF movie.I do not want to believe that because that would be such a fucking WRONG way to handle it, but it just feels that way. More and more with each episode.
Not surprising if they are lurking MAL's TM threads.
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Well... I am not as experienced as you priest guys/gals...
But I can certainly say one thing-
CookingPriest( or Fai as you guys call him), is right in some ways...
I mean... Since I visit Youtube alot, and I also see FSN react videos on it, I pretty much see what Fai is talking about through comments on Youtube.
Believe me or not, his concerns are what Youtube comments actually display. Anime-only and FZ only viewers ARE confused( FZ doesnt do any job in explaining magic too since it expects FSN's knowledge from you.)
He is right with respect to Shirou. Seriously, you will not believe, how many are saying FSN is 100% shounen due to lightning and screaming. We fans know the pain since we read Shirou's experience through his monologue. But anime viewers think its asspull.
Now, of course, we all know how Youtube commenters have concentration span of a 3 year old, but you cant expect a normal anime viewer to pay attention to things that anime itself doesnt give info upon or gives super silent treatment.
And, Rin is being pushed magnificiently into- Typical Tsundere who wont kill Shirou due to her tsunderness and love and that this is a typical shounen.. blah blah'.

Though I agree myself that Rin's interactions ARE amazing, but they lack the power of Shirou in them.
Of course, I know monologue are boring... but they are essential. Atleast shorten them to 30 seconds for minimum infodump, which is required.
A minimum explanation of WHAT is projection IS needed since many thing- WTF did Shirou do? That's an asspull. While we VN viewers, KNOW what it is, so it is not an asspull for us.

The adaptation is amazing, and I love it... but..
Ok guys, this is important. While the whole second cour will not be affected...
There is ONE fight, which depends on monolgue of both characters fighting( VN viewers know it). Because that fight IS fight of monologue in a way. Without monologue, that fight WILL fall apart.

Then again, we all have to see how ufotable does it from here.
 
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I don't take YT comments seriously.Having VN readers trying to argue that FSN SAber did take part in War1-3 or other stuff from people who should know their shit makes disregard YT posters as retards.

Shirou's pain during the projection is obvious.And may I add that even in the VN when Shirou succeeds in projection or reinforcement it is always during fights when he just sucks during training.That is kinda shounenish.There are explanations of course but reading that he "isnt realy good" and then have him succeed in every important time is kind alike that.
I do believe that explaining projection is important and they can still do it but even if not the anime wont become bad.

As for Rin this is just the result of her being animated.Her sprites show her like that.BUT we also have other reasons beyond love for her actions.She isnt typical tsundere.If anything Shirou was the tsundere of this ep.
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Then again, we all have to see how ufotable does it from here.
This.

Lets leave the -moderate plz-complaints for after we actually see them majorly fuck up .
 
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The only scenes I actually care about are Answer, back-to-back, and


If they fuck up those 3 then I will rage, if not then I'll probably be cool with this adaptation.
 
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I didnt see many talking about the power up here.Especially when compared to those that nitpick on stuff like school ,age and why Rin doesnt bring Archer with her.I do agree that leaving out all the projection talk can ruin a part of 2nd cour like the last fight but an explanation for it can come at any time or in the BD or earlier.Remember ep11 of FZ?

In MAL? YEah.

But then again, MAL, beyond few of us only has shallow "GREAT EPISODE, RIN WAS HOT. 10/10" shitposts.


I frequent A LOT of places, both good and bad and I can assure you I have seen the powerup being brought up a lot. Some even saying the "fix" this episode made it feel even more unearned because some random dude came and fixed him in seconds.



If people do remember the damage she caused in ep7 then should have figured out how strong she is when compared to Ilya nd Rin at least.The talk about True Magic would only put a label on her saying that she is more so powerful for that reason.She doesnt actually need that.

But that argument is double-edged sword.

WE know that Rin and Illya ARE heavy-hitters. WE KNOW that they are strong.
A lot of newcomers would assume that Rin or Illya are unprepared and dragged into this war at too young of an age. Hell, we still have people calling Rin "physically weak" too. and questioning her decisions as "inexperienced".

That's the domino effect in action, Fake. Mahou and Majutsu establishment is not as important in this case.

The explanations and how Rin goes on about them establishes her as a heavy-weight. That alone would help with contrast with Caster's skill level.



All the little things piling up into an avalanche. Domino effect.

This ep really fixed everything the,if there was anything to fix.

It helped to emphasize Shirou's broken nature but that was already handled well. It did not help with everything else like important exposition.

It is a very good series for newcomers.They dont have the Vn to compare it to.In MAL at least only a few dont think that and they were never planning to change their opinions.

That's twisting words, seriously.
Of course a newcomer would not know how much is missing. Some anime only viewers thought Akame Ga Kill was greatness too. And there are people who LOVE SAO1.

So yeah, ufoFSN Is NOT shit. I never said that. It is decent and a lot of people will fangasm and hype over the fights and cool stuff. It is so much less than it could have been.


Those "problems" will affect it later ONLY if they persist.We dont know how they will do it so we cant say.You think they will continue like this, I think they will "fix" it.

But here's the thing - WHY Would it need fixing?
Implication that they will need to fix it means two things:
1) they did things wrong
2 )they will have to dedicate time towards fixing it in next cour which means spending less time on stuff in next cour(which will already be stuffed with shit happening all over the place). Second half is the pay off. If they still have to fix the set-up during then, then something is very wrong.

Why not do it right from the beginning?
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UFoUBW is handled pretty much all by newcomer animators and storyboard writers. Fukasawa is the most experienced person on the project. That rang alarm bells a lot at the start when the staff was announced for me. Now even more so.
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The only scenes I actually care about are Answer, back-to-back, and


If they fuck up those 3 then I will rage, if not then I'll probably be cool with this adaptation.
Should I consider Winter Forest fanservice or important?
 
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HentaiPriest said:
I don't take YT comments seriously.Having VN readers trying to argue that FSN SAber did take part in War1-3 or other stuff from people who should know their shit makes disregard YT posters as retards.

Shirou's pain during the projection is obvious.And may I add that even in the VN when Shirou succeeds in projection or reinforcement it is always during fights when he just sucks during training.That is kinda shounenish.There are explanations of course but reading that he "isnt realy good" and then have him succeed in every important time is kind alike that.
I do believe that explaining projection is important and they can still do it but even if not the anime wont become bad.

As for Rin this is just the result of her being animated.Her sprites show her like that.BUT we also have other reasons beyond love for her actions.She isnt typical tsundere.If anything Shirou was the tsundere of this ep.
Hetment said:

Then again, we all have to see how ufotable does it from here.
This.

Lets leave the -moderate plz-complaints for after we actually see them majorly fuck up .


youtube reaction are bullcrap, when i see how many people go in there and post whatever review they want... i don't even care of their opinion with no arguments...

and yeah shirou is clearly fraking suffering during his projection scene, people who think he shout because he is a shounen hero should just STOP watching shounen, it is brainwashing their minds, because nobody shout like this when they are raging...

I saw this episode with 4 people who don't know the VN they saw that shirou was shouting because of the pain when he projected archer's swords...

I thought also the same (and i FORGOT a lot of details from the VN, this one also...)
 
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CapsuleCore said:
Not exactly a monologue, but I had a problem with Kuzuki retreating just like that in the anime last episode, when there is a perfectly valid reason for that in the novel. Just as I had a problem this episode with Saber's lack or very subtle reaction towards Archer's words, as it should affect her as much as it does Shirou.

The reason is clear in the anime.
Caster's magic look useless on Saber.
Rin said Kuzuki beat Saber thanks to the surprise.
Saber come back , isn't surprise anymore and try to attack Kuzuki.
Caster is afraid and save Kuzuki from the attack.
Kuzuki said to retreat.

It's not as clear as you think it might be, if a ton of anime-only viewers don't see it that way. And yes, it matters if not only VN readers seem to have a problem with this. Also, just accusing them of not paying attention, directly or indirectly, is frankly speaking derogative, rude and unfair. ufotable changed something that didn't need any change. I understand why they didn't bother explaining Snake, as that would be terribly confusing and everything, but it wouldn't have hurt to just let Kuzuki (and not Rin) say it won't work twice. No one would misunderstand why he retreated, that's my point.

There are also sometimes moments where I ask myself why they omitted this scene and kept that scene. An example is ep 9, when Shirou goes to sleep. Why show Shirou complaining that he can't sleep when Saber is sleeping in the room next to him, and not let him characterize Rin? Sure, that gives room for interpretation, but in my opinion that part of the scene was more important.

I'm not saying there need to be so many monologues in this adaptation. It's an adaptation, I get it. I'm just saying there are some scenes that could clearly be done better, leaving no room for anyone to criticize the actions of the characters at all. I am a huge fan of FSN and I enjoy this adaptation very much. I am obviously biased as a VN reader when I criticize something, but I also partially understand the criticism some anime-only viewers or VN readers make.
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CapsuleCore said:
Guilek said:

The reason is clear in the anime.
Caster's magic look useless on Saber.
Rin said Kuzuki beat Saber thanks to the surprise.
Saber come back , isn't surprise anymore and try to attack Kuzuki.
Caster is afraid and save Kuzuki from the attack.
Kuzuki said to retreat.

It's not as clear as you think it might be, if a ton of anime-only viewers don't see it that way. And yes, it matters if not only VN readers seem to have a problem with this. Also, just accusing them of not paying attention, directly or indirectly, is frankly speaking derogative, rude and unfair. ufotable changed something that didn't need any change. I understand why they didn't bother explaining Snake, as that would be terribly confusing and everything, but it wouldn't have hurt to just let Kuzuki (and not Rin) say it won't work twice. No one would misunderstand why he retreated, that's my point.

There are also sometimes moments where I ask myself why they omitted this scene and kept that scene. An example is ep 9, when Shirou goes to sleep. Why show Shirou complaining that he can't sleep when Saber is sleeping in the room next to him, and not let him characterize Rin? Sure, that gives room for interpretation, but in my opinion that part of the scene was more important.

I'm not saying there need to be so many monologues in this adaptation. It's an adaptation, I get it. I'm just saying there are some scenes that could clearly be done better, leaving no room for anyone to criticize the actions of the characters at all. I am a huge fan of FSN and I enjoy this adaptation very much. I am obviously biased as a VN reader when I criticize something, but I also partially understand the criticism some anime-only viewers or VN readers make.


Yeah, forgot about the sleep scene.

Like - have him think about RIn and characterize her.
Have him go project stuff.

The way it is done looks like seiba romance pandering, honestly.

Small details changing the meaning of entire scenes.
 
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It's not as clear as you think it might be, if a ton of anime-only viewers don't see it that way

A ton? How are you able to reach that conclusion?

Remember the people who have a problem with something tend to be a loud minority. Those who understood aren't going to complain because they understood. So you don't hear them, which means you don't know if they understood. You can't make an assumption that there are many when you have no population to compare them to. If you only saw 100 people complaining and that's from /r/anime, MAL, youtube comments.. that's only 100 out of 1000+ of people watching (and 1000 is a very underestimating estimate of the people watching this series who post on those 3 sites).

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No one would misunderstand why he retreated, that's my point.


That's just false. There will always be people claiming they don't understand.

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Have him go project stuff.


In the VN, he only projected when he fought Kuzuki. One of the complaints is that "random dude fixed Shirou up" but that complaint goes away later on.

A lot of the VN resolves mysteries and questions later on. The show is even more subtle than the VN because of the lack of monologues but they make it up with the "camera" shots, wide range of OST (not necessarily better than the VN but more diverse), and good voice acting (kept that from the VN, it does seem better), etc...

I'm not going to argue which is better. Subtlety is more realistic and better for a third person point of view way of telling a story. Most of the VN is written in first person, that's why it has to use inner monologues so much. The anime makes you look into Shirou with visuals (facial expressions for one), sounds and comments from other characters.

Is the VN better (I think so) but the anime isn't bad. It's just different and may not be as poignant for some because it's easy to miss subtlety. Heck, most people seem to have a good theory on who Archer is and won't complain about "random guy fixing Shirou". After reading the Fate route, I was under the impression that he was
. And that's with less obvious evidence.
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