mayukachan said: Mikasa said: Yes I am. Stahp. It's okay, I respect you because of our HxH and SSY mutuals. You wouldn't respect me otherwise :O T.T ok |
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nucleon said: it's a waste of time as some will always say this is the best art in their lives https://33.media.tumblr.com/d6cca7dbbb8f28365849564e21ebdf67/tumblr_nglf7qiL9n1tzosuao1_400.jpg bruh http://41.media.tumblr.com/a2a5d3b4aa3da088ea1303a2bf3999bf/tumblr_n34w19ocbn1r4xfc2o1_250.png |
nucleon said: it's a waste of time as some will always say this is the best art in their lives https://33.media.tumblr.com/d6cca7dbbb8f28365849564e21ebdf67/tumblr_nglf7qiL9n1tzosuao1_400.jpg She looks kinda cute though |
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| Objectively good? Yeah, but you know, opinions and assholes. Objectively bad? Technically, no. But I cringe at rampant subjectivism. When paint thrown on a canvas, repeated Campbell's soup icons, and a guy standing in a corner with an apple in his mouth is hailed as creative genius (and sell for millions)...I should have been an "artist." |
nucleon said: WTF WHAT VN IS THIS?Gymkata said: Objectively good? Yeah, but you know, opinions and assholes. Objectively bad? Technically, no. But I cringe at rampant subjectivism. When paint thrown on a canvas, repeated Campbell's soup icons, and a guy standing in a corner with an apple in his mouth is hailed as creative genius (and sell for millions)...I should have been an "artist." humanism https://38.media.tumblr.com/b31f9141dca2732b4af91951930d6a8b/tumblr_nglf8aEWUp1tzosuao1_1280.png |
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VitaminCaim said: WTF WHAT VN IS THIS? http://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/5223/is-this-image-of-a-mis-proportionally-drawn-girl-from-an-anime |
mayukachan said: VitaminCaim said: WTF WHAT VN IS THIS? http://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/5223/is-this-image-of-a-mis-proportionally-drawn-girl-from-an-anime  |
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| Of course not. Art is always subjective. That's it. |
nucleon said: shingeki no classmate https://38.media.tumblr.com/dc76f0108b41da17e5b02d5d6b9662f3/tumblr_nglgdyWrm41tzosuao9_400.jpg i bet thats yaoi |
There is no possible way to defend this as quality voice acting. It is not factually bad, but let's look at what is factual- 1+1=2, the sky is blue, humans need air to live. This required no thinking, it is something that just is. In this sense, the voice acting being bad is not objective. But what also isn't objective? Is it objectively wrong to kill someone? No, it isn't. It is only when we apply standards and reasoning can we say killing causes pain and discomfort which humans don't like and for those reasons killing is wrong. Should we ignore all that because one sociopath thinks killing is okay thus making it not objective? In the case of the voice acting, when standards are put in place you could not make any sort argument with merit that it is quality and the application of standards is something that everyone does whether they realize it or not. You could say that not everyone has the same standards, but realistically speaking 99.9% of people would say the voice acting is bad by their own standards. The difference in standards would have to be so extreme to see it as good, that there would had to have been a big variable in their thought process to make a person think that way to begin with. When someone says it's all subjective they are essentially saying "Well, one person might not agree on it." Because of this we should disregard all common sense and conventional wisdom? Absolutely not. With critical thinking and analysis, there can be measures and conclusions reached, and in this sense it is objective. The worst thing in art is to think that because there are no absolute facts it is immune to criticism and standards. |
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baki502 said: Yes someone can say that, it's pretty stupid not to accept someone's opinion just because it goes against the general views. No anime is factually better. Just because something is generally accepted doesn't make it a fact. Which is why I said simplyfied since there are so many factors. Which is why there are so many discussions. But to say that everything is completely subjective is wrong. If someone comes and says Mars of Destruction is better than FMA:BH to consider that statement just as correct and valid as someone saying the opposite I cannot accept. I think FMA:BH is objectively better than MoD. Have you ever typed Objectivity into Wikipedia? You get this: Objectivity can refer to: Objectivity (journalism) Objectivity (science) Objectivity (philosophy) Objectivity (frame invariance) Objectivity in historiography Which shows that objectivity can mean different things in diffirent fields. And I think for artforms, my summary of in my other post describes the meaning of objectivity in the context of storytelling mediums, a commonly agreed on set of standards. It might not be objective in the truest sense of the word, but it is something close to it. Which doesnt mean that anime can be 100% rated objectively. But its not 100% subjective either. I think you cannot assert as how to be objectively a 7/10. But I think you can go as far as to generally "objectively" say wheter it was bad, average or good. No, typing random words into Wikipedia isn't one of my hobbies. Objectivity is objectivity. Something either is subjective or is objective. |
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IntroverTurtle said: baki502 said: Yes someone can say that, it's pretty stupid not to accept someone's opinion just because it goes against the general views. No anime is factually better. Just because something is generally accepted doesn't make it a fact. Which is why I said simplyfied since there are so many factors. Which is why there are so many discussions. But to say that everything is completely subjective is wrong. If someone comes and says Mars of Destruction is better than FMA:BH to consider that statement just as correct and valid as someone saying the opposite I cannot accept. I think FMA:BH is objectively better than MoD. Have you ever typed Objectivity into Wikipedia? You get this: Objectivity can refer to: Objectivity (journalism) Objectivity (science) Objectivity (philosophy) Objectivity (frame invariance) Objectivity in historiography Which shows that objectivity can mean different things in diffirent fields. And I think for artforms, my summary of in my other post describes the meaning of objectivity in the context of storytelling mediums, a commonly agreed on set of standards. It might not be objective in the truest sense of the word, but it is something close to it. Which doesnt mean that anime can be 100% rated objectively. But its not 100% subjective either. I think you cannot assert as how to be objectively a 7/10. But I think you can go as far as to generally "objectively" say wheter it was bad, average or good. No, typing random words into Wikipedia isn't one of my hobbies. Objectivity is objectivity. Something either is subjective or is objective. Well I suppose we wont reach a consensus on this one. To me your view on it is too black and white. |
| First of all, it depends, objectively "good" and "bad" are subjective themselves. So we can already cut them off the list. But for example, if we speak from a profitable and pandering point of view, you can say a "bad anime" is an anime that is not pandering to a grand amount of individuals thus, it is not profitable (also considering it's budget obviously and other details, I know I'm making this a small issue), while a "good anime" is the opposite. Other factors, like enjoyment can never be objective. Quality can never be objective if you take into consideration subjective standards. Baki, objectiveness depends on the context too. The way you're talking is purely subjective. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
baki502 said: There are multiple definitions of the word "objective". One where it means simply facts, and another that is more along the lines of critical analysis. To put it short you are both right.Well I suppose we wont reach a consensus on this one. To me your view on it is too black and white. |
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Shrabster said: Where'd you get that shit from?baki502 said: There are multiple definitions of the word "objective". One where it means simply facts, and another that is more along the lines of critical analysis. To put it short you are both right.Well I suppose we wont reach a consensus on this one. To me your view on it is too black and white. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| I think the problem is how people retardedly use the word. A person judges something objectively, without bias. Something can't be objectively more [x quality] other than to say that "one person , from an objective point, sees this as a more [x quality] than the other" The fact is the lack of bias, not the undeniable truth of superiority. |
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| You can't judge art without bias because what constitutes art are mostly subjective characteristics. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| You haven't actually said the same thing, that link fully agrees with me. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: "A second, broader meaning of the term refers to the ability in any context to judge fairly, without bias or external influence (see journalistic objectivity); this second meaning of objectivity is sometimes used synonymously with neutrality." Argues putting bias aside as best as possible while the rest of the article talks about the philosophical use of the word which can only be applied to facts.You haven't actually said the same thing, that link fully agrees with me. |
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| "Broader meaning" -> "Putting bias aside as best". You do know that that definition actually has nothing, nothing at all to do with how "good" or "bad" Anime can be objectively right? Or with art if you want to be a lot more general. Being "neutral" will not make the "good" and "bad" objective, it'll make my words "objective" from an emotional standpoint. Basically, if I say "Bananas are red.", I can be "objective" about it, by being completely "neutral" and take no stance, but that does not mean my statement that "Bananas are red" is true. It's still false. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Yes. Clannad is objective crap. |
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Immahnoob said: I'm not arguing whether art can be good or bad on a factually objective basis. Good and bad are determined by an individual and as stated are subjective. I'm saying the broader term of objectivity, having standards and common ground for comparison and measure based on reason in order to reach a conclusion is another definition closer in line with critical thinking. "Broader meaning" -> "Putting bias aside as best". You do know that that definition actually has nothing, nothing at all to do with how "good" or "bad" Anime can be objectively right? Or with art if you want to be a lot more general. Being "neutral" will not make the "good" and "bad" objective, it'll make my words "objective" from an emotional standpoint. Basically, if I say "Bananas are red.", I can be "objective" about it, by being completely "neutral" and take no stance, but that does not mean my statement that "Bananas are red" is true. It's still false. |
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Nicoreos said: No. You desserved to be banned from the internet for 1 month for using such a huge picture that has at best a 400px resolution. |
baki502 said: You desserved to be banned from the internet for 1 month for using such a huge picture that has at best a 400px resolution. This is what happens when women are allowed to use the internet. |
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| Every Anime have technical and thematic characteristics. Every User have criteria, standards, tastes and priorities to evaluate specific characteristics. Given a subjective method/standard for evaluating anything, the output is objective. Moral: You can't hide the inconsistency of your evaluation with subjectiveness. |
| Opinions will usually carry both objective and subjective elements. Basically every review in existence has some subjectivity to it, whether there is some arguable objectivity or not. I used to think that objectivity is literally non-existent, but I was convinced otherwise. However, saying one has an objective opinion in this area is a bit redundant as the opinion will basically always be subjective also when relating to entertainment media. So, yes. Water can be wet. |
| There is only absolute perfection and absolute shit. Everything in between is subjective, only absolute shit exists in anime, absolute perfection does not. |
RyanEnsign said: Every show has something that makes it attract people, or it is the art, or it is a certain voice actor. If you look deep, you can always find something that is good about a show, just look deep enough...There is only absolute perfection and absolute shit. Everything in between is subjective, only absolute shit exists in anime, absolute perfection does not. |
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Milk_is_Special said: RyanEnsign said: Every show has something that makes it attract people, or it is the art, or it is a certain voice actor. If you look deep, you can always find something that is good about a show, just look deep enough...There is only absolute perfection and absolute shit. Everything in between is subjective, only absolute shit exists in anime, absolute perfection does not. Nah, some things or just that bad |
RyanEnsign said: Can you name a few? Because I'm gonna find good things in them.Milk_is_Special said: Every show has something that makes it attract people, or it is the art, or it is a certain voice actor. If you look deep, you can always find something that is good about a show, just look deep enough... Nah, some things or just that bad |
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Milk_is_Special said: RyanEnsign said: Can you name a few? Because I'm gonna find good things in them.Nah, some things or just that bad Definetly not Utsu Musume Sayuri, cause that is a Inferno Cop +1/Inferno Cop masterpiece even better than Inferno Cop |
| literally nothing can be objectively good or bad. anime, books, movies, food, people, politics. these are all just based on the subjective opinions of individuals as to what defines good or bad. buuuut, there are other specifications that you can use to view the quality of anime slightly more subjectively, like skill or originality to a lesser extent. |
simonephone said: literally nothing can be objectively good or bad. anime, books, movies, food, people, politics. these are all just based on the subjective opinions of individuals as to what defines good or bad. buuuut, there are other specifications that you can use to view the quality of anime slightly more subjectively, like skill or originality to a lesser extent. If we are going to go that way good and bad are entirely made up concepts and dont really exist. By using these words you are already not perfectly objective anymore. Nothing is good or bad it just exists. |
baki502 said: simonephone said: literally nothing can be objectively good or bad. anime, books, movies, food, people, politics. these are all just based on the subjective opinions of individuals as to what defines good or bad. buuuut, there are other specifications that you can use to view the quality of anime slightly more subjectively, like skill or originality to a lesser extent. If we are going to go that way good and bad are entirely made up concepts and dont really exist. By using these words you are already not perfectly objective anymore. Nothing is good or bad it just exists. This. Every word in existence was conceived by man. |
| They objectively good and bad if i say so. |
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